Topic: Electrum and RFB (replace by fee) (Read 518 times)

thanks for the explanation!

None of your transactions that were confirmed spends any loutputs from the transaction (37c4286c9772a9519a7). It will remain there until the inputs of that transactions is used and confirmed in another transaction or if the network drops it. The inputs of that transaction is still not confirmed so it probably won't happen for a long time.

I also tried to confirm the second transaction due to low fees, but that's not what I wanted! I think I did a useless double transaction! The transaction has been confirmed, but the other transaction remains, it has not disappeared!  

https://blockchain.info/it/address/1JAzCquFwPQG7Ko7Bjz8HpJGQb6kkVnRyT

Input RFB
https://blockchain.info/it/tx/80a7db4f3d955e279b2836d984864cd44d233a3ab0ac2e33d0c1a685e54dc325

old transaction not confirmed
https://blockchain.info/it/tx/37c4286c9772a9519a741fbe8a3e84c685249d1846466732bf8fd278c67fb20a





however it does the same, there is no problem. it was only to understand the reason for that transaction still there!  

I'd better wait for fee to reduce. If I make a transaction again the maximum fees that allows me are 84 satoshi/byte! 

Congrats! you could have just sent it directly to your exchange
now with those small amount utxo, you can consolidate them when the network fee dropped to low level
or you could just send them with low fee (but higher than 10s/B) and try to accelerate it thru viabtc every hour

wow, it works! Thanks guys, after more than a month, I did it. Now I understand how it works. It is not so difficult! Thank you 

Actually, no. Upon closer inspection, I've saw that your address has loads of dust unspent output related to it. Spending them would result in you paying more to spend them than to actually receive.

I would recommend you to exclude any inputs that has 0.0006BTC or less value in it. You can spend however much you want, just like how you are going to spend to Yobit. To spend all, adjust the fee slider to the middle and press max.

So it's okay like that? I add these transactions except the (5d2532) and proceed with the payment? and what amount should I put?

You aren't supposed to be including any inputs that is unconfirmed. If you do, your transaction can't confirm until the inputs are confirmed.

The unconfirmed transaction (37c4286c) has been dropped from the mempool of whichever node you are connecting. That isn't a problem since can't use it for now. Delete the transaction (5d2532) from your from column; it cost more fees to spend it than you would receive.

yes, but these transactions are all confirmed, there are no unconfirmed transactions! How can I do?

the last screenshot seems captured from coinb.in page?
are you following my tutorial from another thread? you don't need to do that because you have it on electrum already
I gave you the link for you to understand only how to obtain the actual private key that works for your uncompressed address
you should just use the feature on electrum, and follow what HCP said:
in addition to that, you should just choose all coin with amount greater than 0.0005 BTC
anything lower than that would cost you more to send that its own input value

You should also avoid creating that 0.00003602 output that sends to "1JAz" addreesss... it is below the "dust" limit and a lot of nodes are likely to reject your transaction as it is attempting to create a "dust" output.

I'd remove that as well and let it just become part of the transaction fee.

As for where you want to send it... send it wherever you want, yourself, yobit whatever... just make sure you're sending it to the correct address!

These are the inputs of the transaction, except the highlighted one that I have to delete. Now if I copy them on elecrum you say it works? and then who should I send it not to my address but to that of yobit right?

The "Coin" Tab (View -> Show Coins) IS the "coin control" in Electrum... you can select "ctrl+click" all the coins you want to spend...

Not sure why that other transaction is not showing. I guess the Electrum server you are using has dropped the transaction from it's mempool. In fact, most of the explorers seem to have dropped it as well. It is currently only showing on b.info.

I can not find the coin control. The only one is the coin tab, but the transactions are all confirmed!

enable coin control and choose all inputs from 1JAzCquFw... except the amount 0.00395 BTC
and allocate sufficient fee to get the transaction confirmed in reasonable time
do not create a dust change (0.00003602 BTC) like you did in old transaction before
a small change like that would simply burden your future transaction, it costs more to send that its value

the deposit is this
https://blockchain.info/it/tx/36f93d3b456756671a4451e2143faefd19220eb30110fcb102b4aa9a4a400f57

So I could do a new transaction, without unconfirmed input, great! But how? 

I corrected my post. I wasn't clear on what transaction was the deposit to Yobit.

If it's this: 36f93d3b456756671a4451e2143faefd19220eb30110fcb102b4aa9a4a400f57. You can create a replacement transaction but do not include the 0.004BTC unconfirmed input.

So even doing with a  double spent does not solve the problem, right?

Is there a way to get out of it?  


If I do as you say, the other 0.09BTC transaction will be unlocked?
and how do I do this procedure?

If your request is as per your last sentence, definitely not a paid accelerator

Paying an accelerator would definitely be out of the equation since there is a huge chain of unconfirmed parent transactions and you have to accelerate each and every of those transaction. Creating a replacement transaction wouldn't work either, if the previous transactions pays a small fee. Either you pay a huge sum of money to an accelerator or create a new transaction with a huge sum of money, neither is viable. Woops.

You should script a new transaction and broadcast the new one, excluding the unconfirmed input. You probably can't get the 0.004BTC transaction confirmed anytime soon though.

now I understand. Perfect I succeeded, thank you.

Now, in your opinion, is it better to accelerate the transaction at a paid accelerator or with double spent?

I would not like to pay a lot for the transaction, but only to unlock the transaction with little ammount! It's possible?

you've imported wrong private key. let me guess it starts with with K or L
bc.info gave you private key for compressed address while yours (1JAzCquFw) is uncompressed address
check my post here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.26729170
read the instruction on part "acquiring your privkey" , the other instructions are irrelevant to you
just a little note, download bitaddress tool from github and run it offline for your own safety
after you get the private key that starts with a 5... then you can import it into your electrum

if you still have problems after importing, don't hesitate to ask again 

I did it, I imported the private key, but the address that appears later is different from mine!



This is my BTC address 1JAzCquFwPQG7Ko7Bjz8HpJGQb6kkVnRyT

You need to import the private key, not the address.
Importing the address into electrum creates a wacht-only wallet. In order to be able to spend funds from this address you need to import the private key.

To export your private keys: In blockchain.info's wallet go to 'Settings-> Addresses' and export the private key.
Afterwards you have to import this private key into electrum to be able to access your funds.



This doesn't matter. You just have to create a transaction with the same input ('send the same coins') , the output doesn't matter.

Thanks for your help. I use blockchain.info, if I try to import the private key or address in electrum tells me "This wallet is watching-only"! How can I solve?

and what amount should I put for the double spent?

No, you won't lose your 0.09 BTC.
It just stuck and you can't do anything with it until it returned to you or do something to rectify it.

CPFP is not the best option for this condition.
are you asking him to do 0.04 BTC fee CPFP for confirming utxo of 0.00395 BTC ?

@chris190 I suggest you to just re-create your tx (below) if you really need your fund  https://blockchain.info/tx/36f93d3b456756671a4451e2143faefd19220eb30110fcb102b4aa9a4a400f57
that transaction's main problem is the 0.00395 input and its parent txs,
so just exclude it from your tx above and increase your tx fee a bit
this could be done by exporting your (1JAzCquFw...) private key from bc.info (or was it electrum?)
then importing/using it on other wallet and attempting a double spend transaction

if you want to do this way and have problems doing it, feel free to ask more details or help.

Like he said, you'll have to make a  huge Child-pays-for-parent transaction paying the fees for ALL the unconfirmed transactions but you'll pay a relatively large amount of bitcoin (~0.04BTC) to make them all confirm.

If your CPFP transaction is successful they'll all confirm at the same time.

Thanks for the explanation. So, I did not send this transaction, I received it from a user who unfortunately put a low fee!!

I use http://blockchain.info/ as a BTC wallet

So now I do not know how to get out of it! In the meantime I made a deposit on yobit and even this, despite I put a fee of 140satoshi, is still not confirmed because the previous transaction is not confirmed! (U)

I do not know what to do. I absolutely have to confirm this transaction!

If in addition to accelerating the transaction, I make a double spend or an RFB, you say that I can solve in some way?

thank you

For the record, here is the complete chain of unconfirmed transactions... all 21 of them!!?!:

https://blockchain.info/tx/a7e69e29472dac242e69b27b8a6c6b1ecd2907b32cf5e922c26f39ed6cbd321c
https://blockchain.info/tx/d388ad778600e7e5ca715d5330c70618fa770b7d77ea598220d01fa0d543c15c
https://blockchain.info/tx/c7294b442d70adc1bce7580a16f5771b5120ed26597d55644bd1303a617f025a
https://blockchain.info/tx/8b4fe269872a4efa1d64572d0525a2bc49669ccf19c4af2b3ba9637f13d3df4f
https://blockchain.info/tx/e357306e28f4f4a7b566a524596ac935e5a1a25b4b8d5cbf092d2be59f0f18c1
https://blockchain.info/tx/4b93ac3a5e44de550879031ad44489af10c10b881c7f2c5f2e07de2f6e75bb34
https://blockchain.info/tx/526dd9128af212d0a9f32a78e91292a3bc4ebb36b0f160e812241d13a1e26c45
https://blockchain.info/tx/b431739558365a6441b8cc11aaca45c4b6cf1a2f6b5a12973fea8a0d1823a11e
https://blockchain.info/tx/1e0d3b94717785dd86d60720a6a43a744f39a1f7260045312038fd0aa96c1950
https://blockchain.info/tx/77ea2407b84d89592004dcdfdc1888641ecb03d47adba9616044064396c760d7
https://blockchain.info/tx/a868de95cb8699a9fe5c291516f83d4061a4f0e00d03e897bf687983e390d0cc
https://blockchain.info/tx/3701e5e6776e519e990b406290c812b1c442926e41f2547d1bcd003a85b5656b
https://blockchain.info/tx/89e29155a8f2ba7a0bc240159bc5d31b3715ceafab7dabb696419cffe71c6e5b
https://blockchain.info/tx/f0aa606c9ccd9863343f37f7a646906a8feb1d2f4fed3ae5a1111ce58721210d
https://blockchain.info/tx/0e0e1af3d0516751d1730318bc75cc8f93c2e105476e7b939c233eded7e6ddcd
https://blockchain.info/tx/60549de862e59f7257dd3711dfc01b74374b75dc044c7cf8fa8bc1e5b63ba462
https://blockchain.info/tx/438f1e8b7c4d3d33f92e0eaf7c5878cd27fba4caf60c7552ec1e326066a2c151
https://blockchain.info/tx/874fad47ad0b9e372d6fd83d3fc210467559dce328e15f3a157a0db529f743f9
https://blockchain.info/tx/ffea1486cf6ebc8d6f1a8a445650e22c2a97b70c36f7a40e8177fa9a0a240be2
https://blockchain.info/tx/15e0c19cd7e4e0dbbbd5316711a664a1be98e7b1d2e3b74fff212856ae48b165
https://blockchain.info/tx/37c4286c9772a9519a741fbe8a3e84c685249d1846466732bf8fd278c67fb20a <-- Your transaction

Every single one of these uses a fee of only 10 sats/byte... Did you send all of these transactions? And if so, what wallet are you using? and why are you using 10 sat/byte fee when recommended fees are 500+ sats/byte?

About your only realistic option is to simply wait... it is likely to take weeks for these transactions to confirm (or drop from the network).

Alternatively, you can use a (legit) paid accelerator service like: https://pushtx.btc.com/ to pay an extra fee to get them all confirmed:
As you can see, quite expensive... and over twice what you would have paid if you had just used a proper fee in the first place (4729 bytes * 500 sats/byte = 2364500 sats = 0.02364500 BTC = $342.09 US Dollar)

Or you can try your luck with free accelerators like ViaBTC (https://pool.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/)... but you'd need to accelerate the first transaction, wait for it to confirm, then accelerate the 2nd transaction, wait for it to confirm, accelerate the third transaction... etc etc etc... which will take a LONG time... and ViaBTC is very overloaded with all the freeloading tip-hunters "botting" it these days

AntPool is another possibility, although their "min fee" which isn't actually specified anywhere, seems to have increased by quite a bit... so I'm not sure that 10 sats/byte will work with AntPool currently.

Alternatively, if either of the outputs in this transaction: 608deecb2721ce7d629fa09edff4125fa84b8f1cfe202f1de584bea9df8b6d48 or this transaction 36f93d3b456756671a4451e2143faefd19220eb30110fcb102b4aa9a4a400f57 are yours, you could attempt a GIANT "child pays for parent" transaction... and spend the output, but use a total fee of around 0.04 BTC which should equate to an average fee rate of around 600+ sats/byte for ALL the transactions and might entice a miner to include your transactions in a block.


TL;DR: Long chain of unconfirmed low fee transactions = Long wait time for confirmations or $$$ for "acceleration"

and how can I solve?

Because I have another pending transaction connected to this one. If this is not confirmed I lost 0.09BTC!! 

whatever you're trying to do, it is less likely will help speed up confirmation
I trace back your tx and it has at least 10 unconfirmed previous txs (parents)
https://blockchain.info/tx/37c4286c9772a9519a741fbe8a3e84c685249d1846466732bf8fd278c67fb20a?show_adv=true
on the left side, U means unconfirmed, to trace back keep clicking Output to check its parent tx
keep counting and that's how many previous txs need to be confirmed before your tx can get confirmation

I tried to broadcast the transaction, but it gives me this error. How can I solve?

yes, I already did. But I do not use electrum, but blockchain.info. I should import the private key and see if I can make the transaction. But when i add the private key, the balance is zero!

Now I'm importing my wallet, let's see if I can even by myself. Yes, it's not very difficult.

There's no one other then you who can initiate a RBF, as you would need the private keys(?).

Also, i doubt that you are able to do one if you don't already had it enabled before sending the transaction, (correct me if i'm wrong)..

If you did enable it, simply follow this -> https://freedomnode.com/blog/75/how-to-fix-slow-bitcoin-transactions-with-replace-by-fee

Hi guys and happy new year. Is there anyone who uses electrum here and is able to do an RFB transaction? I need it urgently, of course I pay you (possibly in ethereum) for the commission to be paid.  (Before proceeding let me know how much is the cost, so I decide whether to proceed or not!)

37c4286c9772a9519a741fbe8a3e84c685249d1846466732bf8fd278c67fb20a

thanks