Eligius-miners: Do you agree with what is done with your hashing power?

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Quote from: rjk on January 13, 2012, 06:42:17 PM

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I remember hearing about hybrid pools in the past and thinking they were a good idea, but I forget how they are intended to work. From what I recall, it is a set of p2pool "supernodes" basically. Is that correct?

More simplistically it is just a "normal" pool where the miner is smart. Like in p2pool the miner chooses it own transactions. How it differs from p2pool is you still have a traditional pool front end to handle rewards, manage accounts, check stats, etc.

A hybrid pool could integrate into p2pool being a super node to reduce variance (for both the pool & p2pool).

OK, so somewhat like http://p2poolparty.net/ or do I still not get it?

Yes like p2poolparty but one doesn't need to use p2pool to be a hybrid pool. p2poolparty is a good example though. Yeah it is centralized but its power is very limited. It could ripoff its users but it couldn't attack Bitcoin. It couldn't generate double spends, it couldn't participate in a Finney attack.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 13, 2012, 06:23:46 PM

Quote from: rjk on January 13, 2012, 06:03:48 PM

I remember hearing about hybrid pools in the past and thinking they were a good idea, but I forget how they are intended to work. From what I recall, it is a set of p2pool "supernodes" basically. Is that correct?

More simplistically it is just a "normal" pool where the miner is smart. Like in p2pool the miner chooses it own transactions. How it differs from p2pool is you still have a traditional pool front end to handle rewards, manage accounts, check stats, etc.

A hybrid pool could integrate into p2pool being a super node to reduce variance (for both the pool & p2pool).

OK, so somewhat like http://p2poolparty.net/ or do I still not get it?

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Quote from: rjk on January 13, 2012, 06:03:48 PM

I remember hearing about hybrid pools in the past and thinking they were a good idea, but I forget how they are intended to work. From what I recall, it is a set of p2pool "supernodes" basically. Is that correct?

More simplistically it is just a "normal" pool where the miner is smart. Like in p2pool the miner chooses it own transactions. How it differs from p2pool is you still have a traditional pool front end to handle rewards, manage accounts, check stats, etc.

A hybrid pool could integrate into p2pool being a super node to reduce variance (for both the pool & p2pool).

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Quote from: Grinder on January 13, 2012, 06:07:01 PM

Luke seems to think it's ok to do anything that *can* be done, so I assume that for instance mining with him and not submit winning shares would be perfectly ok.

Share witholding is really only an issue in PPS pools and there are countermeasures.

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Quote from: Grinder on January 13, 2012, 06:07:01 PM

Luke seems to think it's ok to do anything that *can* be done,

I've never said anything of the sort.

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so I assume that for instance mining with him and not submit winning shares would be perfectly ok.

That would hurt yourself and other miners, not me in any direct manner. It's also detectable, and if I find anyone doing it, you can be sure I will block them.

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Luke seems to think it's ok to do anything that *can* be done, so I assume that for instance mining with him and not submit winning shares would be perfectly ok.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 13, 2012, 06:01:25 PM

I agree p2pool is necessary (hybrid pools are another options) but technically we only need 51% of miners on "smart" (miner independent) pools to protect Bitcoin.

I remember hearing about hybrid pools in the past and thinking they were a good idea, but I forget how they are intended to work. From what I recall, it is a set of p2pool "supernodes" basically. Is that correct?

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I still don't care what happened, but I still find it amazing people want to give up their votes so cheaply.

Come on people, Bitcoin was not designed to put so much control in the hands of so few.

If everyone was on a version of P2Pool, this "problem" wouldn't have happened to begin with.

Wise up people and protect your source of income.

Most Bitcoin miners could give two flying craps about the ScamCoins. I agree p2pool is necessary (hybrid pools are another options) but technically we only need 51% of miners on "smart" (miner independent) pools to protect Bitcoin.

The honest answer is if Eligus went away tomorrow a good chunk of those miners would likely end up at deepbit not p2pool. That is a larger concern than Luke playing God and smiting scam coins.

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Quote from: deepceleron on January 13, 2012, 04:25:27 PM

Quote from: Rassah on January 13, 2012, 01:47:12 PM

I only started mining on that pool about two weeks ago, and so far have been paid everything I was entitled to. As long as I'm paid for my hash rate, I really don't give a shit what it's used for. The way I see it is we buy pool management service from Luke for a small fee, and he buys our hashing power with bitcoin. If he pays for it, he owns it.

I would consider pure PPS as the only "mining for hire", you agree to mine for a particular payment per share as disclosed on the pool web site. SMPPS is rewarded partially on block finding and the pool reserve, so it deviates from this, and you are more participatory. In a pool where rewards partially depend on pool luck like SMPPS, you aren't getting paid for a block you found if there is merged mining going on behind the scenes.

All I know is my mining hardware is supposed to be able to mine a certain amount of bitcoin a day, and Eligius has delivered all of it daily, so if any hashing was diverted to other activities, I still got paid for it.
On the other hand, what's this I hear about Luke-Jr being a religious fundamentalist?

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Quote from: Rassah on January 13, 2012, 01:47:12 PM

I only started mining on that pool about two weeks ago, and so far have been paid everything I was entitled to. As long as I'm paid for my hash rate, I really don't give a shit what it's used for. The way I see it is we buy pool management service from Luke for a small fee, and he buys our hashing power with bitcoin. If he pays for it, he owns it.

I would consider pure PPS as the only "mining for hire", you agree to mine for a particular payment per share as disclosed on the pool web site. SMPPS is rewarded partially on block finding and the pool reserve, so it deviates from this, and you are more participatory. In a pool where rewards partially depend on pool luck like SMPPS, you aren't getting paid for a block you found if there is merged mining going on behind the scenes.

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I only started mining on that pool about two weeks ago, and so far have been paid everything I was entitled to. As long as I'm paid for my hash rate, I really don't give a shit what it's used for. The way I see it is we buy pool management service from Luke for a small fee, and he buys our hashing power with bitcoin. If he pays for it, he owns it.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 13, 2012, 08:43:01 AM

Quote from: bitlane on January 13, 2012, 08:26:16 AM

YOUR MINING POWER is being used not only to line the pockets of Luke Dash Jr himself, but also to attack other chains in the process.

Wait isn't that an Oxymoron?

If the hashing power is used to attack CLC then aren't the CLCs worthless?
On the other hand if the CLC have value wouldn't that indicate the attack isn't working?

Come on....really ?
For a so-called married & religious male, Luke sure seems to have alot of male suitors.

The term ATTACK, as I am using it......

Recipe:
1) Throw large amounts of hashing power at weak chains, using OTHER'S HASHING POWER (not your own).
2) Collect all alternative chain proceeds yourself, EXCLUSIVELY, WITHOUT COMPENSATING YOUR POOL'S MINERS WHO UNKNOWINGLY PROVIDED SAID POWER FOR THE ATTACKS.
3) Take said proceeds and fire-sale them on the market(s) to further DRIVE DOWN THE VALUE, WHILE DRIVING UP THE DIFFICULTY ON THE CHAIN(S) TO DESTROY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS TO PARTAKE, IN A FAIR FASHION.

I0C, IXC, CLC = all targeted and ATTACKED by Luke Dash Jr. PROVEN.
DVC = threat of being ATTACKED by Luke Dash Jr. DOCUMENTED.
LTC = out his his reach thankfully, as he doesn't have the financial or 3rd party 'pool' resources to stage any type of relevant 'attack' on the chain, as it requires CPU Power to dominate.....EXPENSIVE CPU POWER (Intel I7 or better). OBVIOUS.

....Anything else ?

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Quote from: bitlane on January 13, 2012, 08:26:16 AM

YOUR MINING POWER is being used not only to line the pockets of Luke Dash Jr himself, but also to attack other chains in the process.

Wait isn't that an Oxymoron?

If the hashing power is used to attack CLC then aren't the CLCs worthless?
On the other hand if the CLC have value wouldn't that indicate the attack isn't working?

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It's nice to see that Eligius has taken a 50-odd GH/s hit in loss of mining power, but that is simply NOT ENOUGH.

People need to WAKE UP and leave that pool. As has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, YOUR MINING POWER is being used not only to line the pockets of Luke Dash Jr himself, but also to attack other chains in the process.

DEMAND COMPENSATION, or run for the hills.

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So he did the attack, then lied about using his pool to do it?

What I posted just means it's likely Eligius is mining alternate chains, nothing more. It could just be namecoin for example with weird merkle tree sizing. Someone more motivated would have to dig further into the chains if they wanted to find anything else out.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 07, 2012, 07:50:52 PM

Which doesn't provide any evidence he used his pool.

It can be shown that the Eligius pool is likely multiple block chains by looking at the coinbase of the generated bitcoin transactions. Here's a coinbase from an Eligius bitcoin block that was used for namecoin only merge mining:

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Block 160257
coinbase: 07456c696769757302660c2c4d4d3d3d4976cbf9003c0705e29e581038d3ddbe260a5d324c2b17b24779b6ca48c4f8320100000000000000074f505f4556414c

The details of the coinbase are available in the merged mining specification. From this you can see that the number of entries in the aux merkle tree is 1. This means up to 1 other chain is being mined. That's probably namecoin. You can look up the hash of the namecoin block. It's hash 4976cbf9003c0705e29e581038d3ddbe260a5d324c2b17b24779b6ca48c4f832 or block 36067.

Now look at a slightly later block. Say 160499:

Code:

Block 160499:
coinbase 07456c6967697573025b252cfabe6d6dd28f2fe3e45981bb5ede1a627d762c620847f088cca62d45e6e91f3222ca48b60400000000000000074f505f4556414c

The aux merkle tree size is 4. So up to four other alt chains are being mined. Why the increase if it's only namecoin being mined? Also note that the hash in the coinbase no longer corresponds to a namecoin block. This is another sign multiple chains are being mined. This is during the period that i0coin and ixcoin hash rates increased.

Now a more recent block:

Code:

Block 161090:
coinbase 07456c696769757302a6572cfabe6d6db1e2cb4f9537ecca37a59867856aba5c856992564a80918def0b965174d19a880800000000000000

The aux merkle tree size here is 8. Why the increase? Coiled Coin and Devcoin are both active at this time and would have required the aux merkle size to be upped. I got the Eligius found blocks from here.

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Here I'll help you guys out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.678080

Quote from: Luke-Jr on January 06, 2012, 02:23:32 PM

Why does it seem like people don't read anything? The Coiledcoin nonsense is NOT RELATED TO THE POOL.

Whether I or anyone else believes that statement is a different matter of course.

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Quote from: Littleshop on January 07, 2012, 07:50:05 PM

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Quote from: Bobnova on January 07, 2012, 10:52:17 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

Yes it appears so and misuse your users hash power to do it, amazing is it not? The longer this goes on with no reactions against it by the people in a position to make a difference shows just exactly what they are like as well. In their lack of action they show their support for what has been done, so are no better than he who has done it in my books. Their obvious lip service to the supposed goals of the bitcoin project of an open and free environment ring as hollow as that lame defense of his actions you quote.

What is your proof that he used miner's resources?

He admitted it in the irc logs that had been posted but since deleted by the mods in support of his actions on here. So you can play your BS proof game elsewhere as it will never see the light of day on this forum and you know that.

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

Besides the IRC logs which are posted on this board which support that claim, on page 6 of the following thread Luke-JR says:
"CoiledCoin now closed. Have a nice day."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56675.40

Which doesn't provide any evidence he used his pool.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 07, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

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Quote from: Bobnova on January 07, 2012, 10:52:17 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

Yes it appears so and misuse your users hash power to do it, amazing is it not? The longer this goes on with no reactions against it by the people in a position to make a difference shows just exactly what they are like as well. In their lack of action they show their support for what has been done, so are no better than he who has done it in my books. Their obvious lip service to the supposed goals of the bitcoin project of an open and free environment ring as hollow as that lame defense of his actions you quote.

What is your proof that he used miner's resources?

He admitted it in the irc logs that had been posted but since deleted by the mods in support of his actions on here. So you can play your BS proof game elsewhere as it will never see the light of day on this forum and you know that.

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

Besides the IRC logs which are posted on this board which support that claim, on page 6 of the following thread Luke-JR says:
"CoiledCoin now closed. Have a nice day."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56675.40

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Merged mining only means eglesius pool members wouldnt have been penalized by luke's actions, as in, they wouldnt have suffered BTC or NMC losses. It doesnt mean those pool members didnt involuntarily contribute to the attack on coilcoin.

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Quote from: P4man on January 07, 2012, 04:01:25 PM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 07, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

Ive seen the posts where he took "credit" for taking it down. You will have to forgive me for being too lazy to find them.
I havent seen him admit he used his pool's hashing power, but thats a fair assumption to make, as I doubt he (or almost any individual) has enough hashing power of himself.

Yes, but gmaxwell is using the Merged Mining angle to legitimize this attack (that is, if the pool WAS found to be used).....OR on the other hand....coming from Luke, that this actually WAS an attack, in which case, only Luke's own personal resources were used.

They all seem to have conflicting defences and excuses.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 07, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

Ive seen the posts where he took "credit" for taking it down. You will have to forgive me for being too lazy to find them.
I havent seen him admit he used his pool's hashing power, but thats a fair assumption to make, as I doubt he (or almost any individual) has enough hashing power of himself.

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TL;DR

I don't know what happened here, and frankly I don't care. That said, pools are the bane of Bitcoin and anyone mining in them can only blame themselves for misuse of their hashing power.

We have the technology to mine with the benefits of a pool without the drawbacks. Maybe it's time to put the decentralization back into Bitcoin mining?

+1 to everything said.

Centralized pools need to die.

agreed. my backup is solo, and I dont hesitate to switch to solo when things look awry

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Quote from: casascius on January 06, 2012, 10:12:45 AM

You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

I agree. I certainly want to be notified if my client finds a new chain and have the option to keep the old one. How would we identity different chains?

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TL;DR

I don't know what happened here, and frankly I don't care. That said, pools are the bane of Bitcoin and anyone mining in them can only blame themselves for misuse of their hashing power.

We have the technology to mine with the benefits of a pool without the drawbacks. Maybe it's time to put the decentralization back into Bitcoin mining?

Yes take it your talking about the p2pool? Have you tied it, what is the performance of it like?

Recent updates have made it an excellent alternative to existing pools. For this reason it has gained some good hashrate, and that is making it so much the better Grin

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Fellas! We're on the same side! What's been done is done. Let us hash our way forward, and just keep an eye out for shady dealings.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 07, 2012, 11:27:29 AM

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Quote from: Bobnova on January 07, 2012, 10:52:17 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

Yes it appears so and misuse your users hash power to do it, amazing is it not? The longer this goes on with no reactions against it by the people in a position to make a difference shows just exactly what they are like as well. In their lack of action they show their support for what has been done, so are no better than he who has done it in my books. Their obvious lip service to the supposed goals of the bitcoin project of an open and free environment ring as hollow as that lame defense of his actions you quote.

What is your proof that he used miner's resources?

He admitted it in the irc logs that had been posted but since deleted by the mods in support of his actions on here. So you can play your BS proof game elsewhere as it will never see the light of day on this forum and you know that.

So another unsupported claim to "support" your unsupported claim.

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Quote from: Bobnova on January 07, 2012, 10:52:17 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

Yes it appears so and misuse your users hash power to do it, amazing is it not? The longer this goes on with no reactions against it by the people in a position to make a difference shows just exactly what they are like as well in their lack of action they show their support for what has been done, so are no better than he who has done it in my books. Their obvious lip service to the supposed goals of the bitcoin project of an open and free environment ring as hollow as that lame defense of his actions you quote.

What is your proof that he used miner's resources?

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Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

Assuming the first statement is true (which is quite the assumption), the second is hilarious!

It's ok to run a DDOS on alt coins now?

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as serious as killing a fly

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Attacking a chain is perhaps lame, but I dont see it as a crime.
If its true however, Luke used the participants of his pool's hashing power to carry out the attack, that would be serious indeed. No one should entrust his hashing power to a pool operator that uses it at will for any purpose he sees fit. Its no different than deepbit deciding to attack bitcoin for a laugh.

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Quote from: gmaxwell on January 06, 2012, 04:06:22 PM

Quote from: casascius on January 06, 2012, 10:12:45 AM

You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

Because for the low price of 250 BTC per event I could knock down bitcoin world wide as often as I want.

How are you going to do that without the majority of hash power?

I would ask the same question alone, and also with the consideration that each "event" motivates development and refinement of clients performing automated analysis on the competing block chains to make a more intelligent choice. (e.g. automated analysis of the transactions in the competing chains, and a bias toward keeping the chain that causes the least disruption instead of an automated shutdown)

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Quote from: casascius on January 06, 2012, 10:12:45 AM

You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

Because for the low price of 250 BTC per event I could knock down bitcoin world wide as often as I want.

Also— please take care here, Luke did not roll back anyone's transactions or double-spend or anything like that. He's simply mining all the blocks and not processing more transactions.

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See the tail end of this thread for other views on the "attack."

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You know, I am surprised we don't just code into Bitcoin to shut down if faced with a need to reorg more than 5 blocks, rather than accepting an attack chain. Then all an attacker can do is temporarily DoS a chain - far less disruptive than rolling back transactions.

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Why not make some innovation in alternative blockchains?
Make them take off! That will make a better world~~

Since ixc & i0c &otherc worth so less, i think i don't care luke mine some of them,

cause this is 0 fee pool, merged mining nmc.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on January 06, 2012, 08:40:27 AM

Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

I will personally sell every Bitcoin asset I have and invest everything into driving Luke Dash Jr's involvement in Bitcoin into the ground if he is a part of it publicly, with as much bad press as I can possibly muster, just to see him go down unless ties are cut with him.

Oh noes. Don't do that. Please.

I haven't seen proof of anything. Still your childish and impotent threats just make you silly.

Honestly Bitcoin has survived DDOS attacks, Mybitcoin, largest chain being attacked, a rise to $32 and then a fall to $2, endless hype and then crushing negative press, reports of stolen wallets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It survived all that but it can't survive you? Inflated sense of self worth?

Allow me to rephrase....
My attack(s) are and would be intended for Luke Dash.....not Bitcoin. It would just be unfortunate if his negative publicity hurt Bitcoin, that's all.
Inflated sense of READING skills on your behalf ? Next time, try reading it out loud, then again...and repeat if required.

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 08:33:20 AM

I will personally sell every Bitcoin asset I have and invest everything into driving Luke Dash Jr's involvement in Bitcoin into the ground if he is a part of it publicly, with as much bad press as I can possibly muster, just to see him go down unless ties are cut with him.

Oh noes. Don't do that. Please.

I haven't seen proof of anything. Still your childish and impotent threats just make you silly.

Honestly Bitcoin has survived DDOS attacks, Mybitcoin, largest chain being attacked, a rise to $32 and then a fall to $2, endless hype and then crushing negative press, reports of stolen wallets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It survived all that but it can't survive you? Inflated sense of self worth?

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So he used merged mining and kept the coin? He stole? Details, link?

It had NOTHING to do with merged mining. It was a deliberate and malicious attack on the chain and refusal to process transactions, killing everyone else in the process using the power of his mining pool.....without anyone's consent. Many of us witnessed this as he posted a link to the Coiledcoin thread, with him saying "Coiledcoin is now closed" and him boasting about the attack in chat on BTC-e exchange....where he was banned from not long there after.

His pool should be banned from this forum and him marked as a scammer, as well as being removed entirely from the Bitcoin Project.

I will personally sell every Bitcoin asset I have and invest everything into driving Luke Dash Jr's involvement in Bitcoin into the ground if he is a part of it publicly, with as much bad press as I can possibly muster, just to see him go down unless ties are cut with him.

He has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that he belongs with the ranks of Bruce at this point. Chalk up another win for CryptoCoin trust (or mistrust as it were)...

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Quote from: Schwede65 on January 06, 2012, 08:29:30 AM

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So he used merged mining and kept the coin? He stole? Details, link?

Quote from: makomk on January 06, 2012, 07:00:45 AM

He's preventing anyone from getting blocks or performing transactions and has no incentive to stop, so it's kind of dead. He was also hinting in IRC that he might do the same to I0coin and Ixcoin and has more than enough hash power to do so, but it's possible he was joking.

Have a look at the hashrates of iXc and i0c shown on http://allchains.info/index.html

this hashing-numbers and the elegius-op performance "i will do the same to i0c and iXc" around this theme

What do you think where these hashes come from?
Yeah, one of our leading pools has such a hashrate...

Maybe it was a test with CLC, which is dead now and he will do the same to iXc and i0c.

The price for these currencies are down and he is not able to make btc's with it any more.
First profit and then fire off...

Jesus I only noticed now that those are at near 400gh thanks to this fucktard.

I bet even Christ hates this cunt.

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So he used merged mining and kept the coin? He stole? Details, link?

Quote from: makomk on January 06, 2012, 07:00:45 AM

He's preventing anyone from getting blocks or performing transactions and has no incentive to stop, so it's kind of dead. He was also hinting in IRC that he might do the same to I0coin and Ixcoin and has more than enough hash power to do so, but it's possible he was joking.

Have a look at the hashrates of iXc and i0c shown on http://allchains.info/index.html

this hashing-numbers and the elegius-op performance "i will do the same to i0c and iXc" around this theme

What do you think where these hashes come from?
Yeah, one of our leading pools has such a hashrate...

Maybe it was a test with CLC, which is dead now and he will do the same to iXc and i0c.

The price for these currencies are down and he is not able to make btc's with it any more.
First profit and then fire off...

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Two little questions:

1. Have you - personally - seen any i0c- or iXc-coins mined at this pool?

2. Do you comply with the 51-attack to CLC?

It's a heavy abuse of trust: you give your hashing-power and the OP is doing what ever he wants to do with it...

Yeah, there could be only one conclusion: leaving that pool with that OP, misusing his given power

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