Topic: Employers are Deflating Salaries in Job Ads to keep Pay Down (Read 385 times)

Trust is a good thing, and it's worth a lot.
But there are situations when people, for various reasons, even being your close friends/partners, may not behave very adequately. And a two-sided document, this will only add honesty to the relationship! Of course, some will say that this "looks like distrust", but I always say that any relationship between 2 or more people should be formalized so that there are no unpleasant moments later. for honest partners / relationships, such a document will not be an obstacle! Unfortunately, practice shows that conflict situations often arise that cannot be resolved due to the lack of documented obligations.
And what else I will add - from personal practice I noticed that people who are not very clean at hand, or in thoughts, just try to avoid such a formalization of relationships, and normal people treat formalization with understanding.

I don't think experienced employees will overlook this obvious lowballing. Most of them especially for jobs that require specialized skillsets know how much they are supposed to be paid for so they will and will always know ahead of others if they are being underpaid or not. Now this could work with fresh-grads and unskilled workers but by then the low salary offer is a bit justified considering how many workplaces nowadays aren't hiring inexperienced workers.

There is this understanding of "handshake" deal in most cases, I have been working with my boss for years and we have discussed my pay maybe once or twice, ever since then not only I have not asked him to pay me more, but he has paid me more than he should each time. Not because of any discussions, not because I asked him to, but because he wanted to reward me for doing a good job, well at least I hope I am doing a good job, I try my best.

This is a proof that not every time you need a contract, if you do not have a contract and they screw you over because of it, that's a good price to pay to see if they worth working for or not, if they scam you, it's quicker way of quitting and finding a better job.

 In this situation, an employee may want to consider asking for a raise to bring their pay in line with the market rate or what their colleagues are earning.

Before asking for a raise, I would do some research to determine the market rate for my position and gather evidence of your contributions and value to the organization.

However, ultimately, you should weigh the pros and cons and decide what is best for your career and financial well-being based on your situation.

Tell me - is it not customary to sign a job offer, where are the obligations and rights of both parties prescribed at the start? Or the habit of believing "on the word"? I have long ago refused any agreements in business, except those fixed on paper. Maybe I'm overly formalizing the relationship, but this is the easiest and most reliable way to culturally agree on the terms and stick to them. And this applies to everything - from overcoming a close friend of some amount, to signing a work contract. Deals - not discussed at all - only a contract.
The fact that employers are trying to "cunning" has always been, but in different areas at different levels, but very often ... Therefore, it is easy to "fight" with dishonest employers by formalizing relations.

Before anyone is employed, salary and other benefits are discussed and agreed upon. As an employee, your ability to know your worth and nicely negotiate for good pay according to your job specification is needed.
Once you have negotiated and employment letter give  you which has the details of your pay, nothing could be done.

If you decided to leave your present work, what is the guarantee that the other company won't underpay too.

As an employee who has skills in a certain part, he must have the desire to get a large salary when working in a company, and as a CEO in a company, of course, he must be fair to the employees in their company, if he cannot manage the problem then there will be many employees who do not feel at home to be in the place, All of us certainly want at the price of what we already have and we are good at in our respective fields.

Yes. You right. When passing an interview, you do not need to talk about the expected salary, realizing that any employer is interested in paying less. Thus, by exceeding your expected salary many times over, you speak about your experience and force the employer to bargain, lowering the cost to the one that would actually suit you.
I'm not sure that adults working in any company do not know the obvious, that is, how much their work should cost. Just the lack of options forces them to take lower-paying jobs.

I had this before, I was working in another job nearly 10 years ago, and I was getting paid peanuts compared to some college part-time person. I was shocked to learn that I was there for 45 hours a week, working my ass off but I was fresh out of college as well, so I wasn't some amazing worker or something, I understood being paid the minimum wage was what I should expect and took it. But, then I learned some part-time college guy got twice as much as I did for being there for about 20 hours a week, so they worked half but made twice and I wanted to learn more.

It wasn't that they were better at their job, in fact their job is a lesser paid one, a designer, while I was a developer. So I asked for a raise AND started to look for another job. Got one and left a week later, and that company went bankrupt 3 months after I quit as well.

This is not new in those industry that's why I always expected that they are doing things to pay less or they really just want to save more with their profit but I don't care if we can't do anything about it, we just have to leave and find another one since they can easily replace you no matter what happens.

But for the others it seems like they're using this to likely increase your salary just to keep you on their company. We can't beat them if we are just an employee but if you know your laws you might be fine although it might take some time before the action happens.

One of the reasons why many employees keep salaries a secret is because if someone currently working at the company finds out that they are underpaid they will either quit or tell HR to up their pay and employees don’t want that. They know that most employers will be scared to ask for a raise.

Typically for min wage jobs the salary was always posted, but for more professional careers it’s always kept secret. Some times it depends on the applicant, if he seems more qualified they might pay him more than they would for a less experienced employee.

All really boils down whether you  would be accepting your current pay and deal with it or you would really be trying out to fight on what you do deserve.If you do look that it isnt really just right on what you are

currently earning or getting then you are really that free to leave and find for another job which would really be paying up according into your worth.Its true that this is subjective since there are really people who
ends up on having no choice but to stick up on the current things that they are dealing since finding a new job or good paying ones arent something that you could really see often or speaking about having
lots of similar people who do look for job and getting hired is hard as fuck. So you wont really be that too demanding if you do find out that you are paid less.

I can only answer this questions through our system in our country, this is applicable all over but i think ours is more likely to be very harsh on people over here coupled with the bad weather. Most of the job i have work so far then was, the employer trying to bargain price individual and whenever they have this confidence you would deliver efficiently then your salary may be increased most especially the field workers, sometimes they are paid lesser than the office worker and i have been in a position where i noticed my salary was lesser than what i thought of being paid therefore, i didn't panic only looked for another place where i know i would be more valued than the previous place and i was 3x paid than the previous. There were some tools i was able to managed and cut cost for them, when i leave they noticed the newly employed worker could not able to manage those things which requires them to order new tools then they called me for increase of my salary to 2x, then i told them i m already 3x paid than the previous although they tried to offer same paid but i said no.

I certainly agree, we have the right to demand for a raise especially if we know our worth. Demanding for it shouldn't be a problem as long as we are imparting and doing our responsibility well at work. Through it, we will also be able how our employers value us as a part of their company. If they will not provide the favor that we deserve, then looking for a better opportunity would be a wise decision.

Yeah! Why not ? As long as there are other organizations that are willing to value our services and experience more highly, it is clear that someone will ask for a raise in their salary for the same position. Because I believe that when the request for a salary increase is not met by the old organization, then he will definitely move to another organization when another organization needs new employees.

But I personally also will not blame the organization in this case when they are unable to increase the salaries of their employees. Because it is also very related to the ability of the organization to pay the number of employees they have, even though this will make employees feel less comfortable and will not remain in the organization when they know that the amount of salary paid to them is very low.

If you're an job seeker then remember its important to propose your required salary at the time of interview itself and you should be keep negotiating with pay hike atleast for every year if you feel you really productive with your job and it has more potential to reach if you're treated well by your company.

But, the condition is really favourable now for an employee? Every company is laying off their employees to cut expenses so I don't think discussing about the ads shown gives less than what the company is going to pay.

I will be devastated finding out that the company has not been entirely sincere with me, I will ask for a raise first, and then watch out to see if the management of the company I work for value my services and inputs. If they are slow to respond, that is an indication that my services are not very valued and I would immediately begin to seek out another opportunity in a place that I will be valued and paid adequately. Expenses are high and choking this period, staying in somewhere where you are underpaid is not advised.

It's a very tricky thing to handle! One of the KPIs of an HR personnel is how much he/she is able to save from the budget given. So it's extremely rare scenario where a candidate will be offered 100% of the budget for a certain position.

Having budget doesn't mean that everyone will be eligible to achieve that. A candidate with 5 years of experience can not ask for a salary befitting a candidate with 10 years of experience. This is applicable for certain highly skilled positions only!

Wow, good for you but I think if your boss didn't lay off you, you won't have an idea to look for another company right? The recession that came, must be a blessing of disguise to some because there are better opportunity that awaits them but I know not all are like that. Not all will end up in a happy ending. I feel sorry for them but these people shouldn't give up.

I hope they can find a replacement job soon even the pay isn't that high enough. What important is that they can have something to get to survive in this tough life. The last thing that you said is not a myth. A lot of people do really want a secure job as this can give them a peace of mind.

Parts of this don't make sense, anyone can find out what their skillset is worth on average by looking at the multitude of different job sites out there. It seems like a strange law for those regions to have but in reality that is probably what companies were paying the average person recruited with exceptional cases hitting the highest in the range. Frankly if a job is advertised for $50k salary, then you would expect that to be what you'll be getting and I'd personally be avoiding companies that have wide ranges. It is a bit disappointing that you often have to move companies to get your true worth in certain professions because companies are by design going to pay you the least amount they can retain you for.

I think this is the way to go, a company would like to pay as little as possible to their employees, while and employee would like to be paid the most that he can get, so a compromise needs to be reached between the two parts, so as an employee it is our responsibility to always be alert and see if we can get a pay increase at our current job and if not to look for better alternatives elsewhere, that way by keeping your options open you will be able to maximize the amount of money that you are paid over the years.

This is what I've noticed. If there are huge numbers of people in trade unions and if they start a protest, they'll be noticed and the company will act upon their demands.
But if the complainants aren't that much and they're just mere in numbers, they won't be noticed and will most likely be ignored whatever the demands they're asking.

This is going to be the future of the working economy. But, there are also some bad sides of it and it will vary based on experiences of freelancers.

This has always been a strategy recruiters use, it's only been amplified because very liberal jurisdictions that want more "fairness" in the job market demand employers post the salary range on all job posts instead of allowing the recruiter and applicant to negotiate compensation IN the final stages of selection. There isn't a salary that would be a one size fits all for every applicant so it's useless for recruiters to post the top line salary when they might settle for a lesser employee with lesser skills, demanding smaller compensation.

Well, unlike Bitcoin deflation which main purpose is to keep increasing the price of holders bitcoins and their purchasing power,  the so called deflation of USA employees salaries reduces the actual amount of money they are supposed to be paid and consequently their purchasing power.     I actually will continue working if that is the kind of work I am passionate about and talented in. And that will also depend on the working environment. If I can't change things for good in such environment, I may likely leave but not because of the pay. I wouldn't mind working in another place with lesser pay and the right working environment as long as it's the kind of job I'm passionate about or love.
I just don't work for money. It's my least motivation  because I'm certain that money or reward will always come once I find the right job and do it well

Some time ago, I was laid off work due to the recession. I already had a good number of years at the organization and had become proficient in my area of practice. I dusted up my CV and started sending it to recruiters on LinkedIn and on other platforms. Some organizations were impressed with my CV and I got a good number of calls of interviews. I got for offers for the same position and ended up picking the organization with the higher pay. I will always go for a higher pay because from experience job security is a myth.

This problem could have been avoided, if the trade unions had more members.
When the labor unions don't have enough members and can't protect their labor rights effectively, it becomes easier for the employers to find ways to cut down the salaries.
Sometimes I feel glad that I'm a freelancer and I don't have a boss. Freelance has it's own downsides(which can be quite big), but being your own boss is sometimes better than being a "paid servant" for somebody, who doesn't respect you and tries to pay you less for more work.
The freelance business is full of customers, who demand more work for less pay, but at least you have the freedom to choose your long term customers and ditch the bad ones.

Here in our country, daily wage workers have a standard wage based on the law passed by the government but if you're working in a managerial position and you think that you're not getting the right wage and you're company happens to be in the top 1000 company, then you should ask for a renegotiation of your contract if they will not grant it then with your experience you can go look for another job if you're working in a managerial position here in our country its important that you know your range of salary but if you're an average worker then do not agree to be lower than what the law stated should be your minimum wage.

If I love my current company, I think I might politely request for a raise. If I don't and there are other openings out there with a higher pay, I will definitely leave.

But this is not the dilemma from where I am right now. I generalize that majority of workers here in my country don't love their jobs, and they are also underpaid. And not only that, they are also overworked. They are thoroughly exploited but not properly compensated. But the option to leave and move to another job is close to nonexistent. All of them are dispensable. And it's not hard to look for a replacement. A request for an increase is pointless as they are even underpaid. Even the required minimum wage is low.

It really hurts when you find out this, its either this is bad management or your employer didn't see your worth. It is not the best choice to find immediately a new job if you saw this, you need to explain to your employer and also ask for raise if still they didn't give you what you've asked that is the time you'll find another work. I experienced this also currently we already asked for raise but they keep telling us next year they will so I've decided if ever no increase next year i will find another job and quit on this

Surely it's only bad employers that have to worry about this (that could be most employers) but realistically if you get on with your team and think you're valued (even if it's things like being given an extra day off after taking holiday - especially for things like weddings and funerals), you might be more likely to stay where you are.

The employers this sort of thing should concern are likely the ones who aren't great to work for anyway and have a high turnover of employees (normally) and a few that stick that end up being the ones to keep the company going. 

This has been a typical occurrence for many years, even decades. The root causes of which have long been known, studied, ignored and forgotten.

If inflation is 3% annually. All employees must receive a 3% pay raise to break even, and not experience depreciation of salary. Lack of pay raise to maintain parity with inflation, results in declines of wages. Which translates to decreased purchasing power of consumers and declining standard of living over the long term.

There have been a few major causes of US employees receiving pay cuts over the past two decades. Can anyone guess what they were? To offer a hint, these pay cuts affected middle class americans more than any other income bracket. It is likely middle class america who understand best the form and shape these pay cuts take. As they have been hit by more of them than any other demographic.

While the main causes of these trends are known. (As I have seen them discussed for the past 15 years over the internet.) Most of the discussion appears to have gone offline. Its not nearly as common for people to discuss these topics on internet forums or discussion groups. But judging from recent trends, it would seem that people are becoming much more knowledgeable, despite the lack of internet participation. They are much more knowledgeable on topics like this one, than they used to be. It shows in choices relating to things like immigration and voting patterns, becoming more informed over time.

nothing new here. its normal business practice across many sectors

once you are overextended where you have had pay rises in work. and reached the top payrise limit rate of your role.. you become replaceable. they find ways to sever you out of the role and employ someone new at the new base pay

many cases here in the UK
starting pay min wage, with 4 grades of pay increase if being trained up to certain level..
however the inflation rate uptick of those 4 grades is less than the uptick of minimum wage

EG
say it was $£7.50min with a $£0.50 per hour pay rise per training level. meaning fully trained for a basic role becomes $£9.50

each year offers a 2% uptick
so over 5 years a $£9.50 employee by his contract starting 2017
is now on $£10.48
yet a fresh recruit is on $£10 min wage and with just level 1 training level becomes better paid than the guy with 5 year experience and 4 levels of training
then when the fresh recruit is fully trained they are on $£12, while the guy with 5 years experience and same level training. is still on $£10.48

and trying to get a $£2 pay rise to outpace the fresh recruits is met by harsh rejection of "accept what your given or leave"

because in a businesses mind. a fresh recruit is younger fitter and more efficient so the dead wood needs to go

i have spoke with many people in retail, food service and office work that have had those experiences

On the time you do find out that you are underpaid then it cant really be avoided to have that surge of emotion deep inside that you should earn or get more basing up on your position category
but i wont really be ending up on that kind of having those step or action on making out some complaints that i would be demanding the full pay salary because honestly its really hard to find
a job nowadays and if you do see that you are been suit up on a company which its pay might be less but not also bad then its just too risky if you do make out some steps
or having those kind of demands because if those people who are on top or simply the administration do look bad into you, then try to find a new job
as you would really be potentially get fired for that, thats how harsh reality works.

I would ask for an evaluation and review if I'm eligible for a pay raise. That normally happens every year as per evaluation depending to the company's regulation about increasing rates and promotions. And if I feel that I should leave my job and hop in to a better paying company, I'll do that. That's where the negotiation might happen if the current company you work for thinks that you shouldn't be let go. They'll negotiate with your terms and asking salary.

I do not think that this hypothesis can be achieved because you, as an employee, will be aware of all the details of the work since the beginning of your employment, including the salary and all promotion conditions. Employers are always attentive to these details to avoid problems later.
When you have better options, it doesn't make sense to keep a job where you get paid less than what you deserve.  The problem begins when there are no alternatives or the country's economic situation is fragile and does not allow you to launch your own project.

Read a snippet of the article here

Really crazy things are happening out there. Now to you the reader, supposing you have worked for the past 5 years your current organization and you find out accidentally from the HR in your organization that what you are being paid isn't the highest amount for your position. That is, you are being underpaid, would you ask for a raise or look for another job knowing that with your experience level you'd get a higher pay in another organization?


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