Topic: Epstein Murdered According to Pathologist (Read 367 times)

Lol!


I skimmed it enough to see that you mentioned the controversial pathologist.

Somewhere above is a post I did stating that if I were running a psy-op to cover for a person of Epstein's stature and the potential damage he could do, I'd have all kinds of 'controversial' things crawling out of the woodwork.  This is to create an information overload which make it so people throw up their hands and walk away rather than simplifying and applying some normal logic.

In my engineering, the unifying these 'controversial' issues would be that Epstein is certainly dead.  The only debate would be on how he got that way.  And 'enemies' would fight over this issue to their heart's content since it doesn't matter much.

In my engineering, the peeps would discouraged in multiple ways of stepping off the reservation and entertaining any 'conspiracy theories'.  They are free to argue about whether it was a suicide or homicide until the cows come home, and doing so would be encouraged by various media properties controlled by 'my people.'

Again, if I see anything solid to indicate that Epstein sleeps with the fishes, I'll entertain the notion.  Absent that, which is the current state, I assume he is probably doing fine in 'retirement and is probably just working a different job.

well, I agree that Epstein is "Schroedinger's Pedo": no-one in the general public is going to know if he's dead or alive until truly credible evidence appears. That means the box hasn't been opened, so lay off the speculation until you actually know anything that your most recent bottle of Jim Bean didn't tell you


and as well; I fully do not care if he's dead or alive, it would be the least important (or interesting) fact about this story if it was confirmed one way or the other



Edit you also didn't even read my first post

The pathologist making this claim (Epstein didn't kill himself) has form for being involved in many high profile autopsies and coroners reports, and making questionable/controverial public judgements on them (i.e. Eric Garner recently, as well as Congressional hearings regarding the JFK autopsy). That's me disbelieving the regular reporting, if that needs any more spelling out.

what does it mean? we can only guess. it might be a bluff, this pathologist's involvement is bound to raise eyebrows everywhere, so he might be telling the truth out of strategy. We're taking it all on trust, we can't get access to the body (even if possible, I'd be more concerned if anyone really cared that much to try it, let them play games, there're more important issues to spend time on from my perspective)

My mistake somewhat.  Elvis = Flat Earth.  You didn't use the method, but you did express a palpable fear of it being used on you, and used it as an excuse to STFU about non-certified-kosher idea explorations (such as that maybe Epstein remains among the living.)  You may do so as you please.  I'll continue to analyze observations which might be used to test the details of a given 'consensus or 'majority report' for potential flaws.  More importantly, I'll continue to discuss the ideas, in public, with people who are not wetting themselves at the thought that they might be derided, shamed, humiliated, cut out of the herd, etc.  Instilling these feelings in the target is certainly part of the psy-op.

I'm just defending against the double speak redefining of the word "conspiracy", which is perfectly legitimate seeing as it's being used to stigmatize people who have good argument about possible (and definite) corruption in governments



yeeeeah, you're confusing me with someone else, or you're crazy, or god knows what

link to me promoting flat earth, or stfu

We have no hope of ever 'finding out' if we are conditioned to never engage in any speculation...and especially if the speculation conflicts with the storyline in a way that could threaten TPTB.  I'm sure that this is no accident.

There is no evidence that Epstein is dead as far as I can see.

How can you justify taking the word of people who have been repeatedly proven to be chronic liars and have a vested interest in their side of the story being accepted?

It seems to me that you are pretty much glued to the idea that we should follow 'standard convention' and assume that what the mainstream media, FBI, etc, say is be default true unless proven otherwise.  It also seems to me that you are terrified of being labeled a 'conspiracy theorist' or branded with some such label.  I see no rationality in either of these management and control devices and I think they have done great harm to our country.  Probably terminal harm...which is part of the reason I split.

I also see you not only falling for but actively promoting what I would term the 'flat earth psyop'.  That is to say, attaching perfectly valid doubts to a ridiculous thing invented for the purpose of degrading said doubts.  That's disappointing to me.

shit, did you really just use the word 'conspiracy' correctly, and in the correct context? I'd give you a merit, but it'd be like giving merits for shitting into the bowl and not all over the toilet seat



we will likely never find out if something like that is true, so why bother speculating?

this line of thinking is what gives a bad name to discussing criminality in government. If the official government story sounds like bullshit, speculating about fantasy scenarios as if they are true only helps the real people who really did something provably wrong. it's too easy to say "oh, and I suppose Elvis is alive and living in Belize, right?" if you start talking about things that Have. No. Evidence To. Back. It.

They've already filed cases against the guards on duty at the time of the "suicide". We just don't know how far these so called investigations would go.

I don't know if the psychologist that removed him from suicide watch would also be implicated for anything. Last I heard the guards were arrested for falsificating inmate counts as well as "conspiracy".


Yes, either he was prevented from setting up his own switch or he indeed have one but it was not triggered coz he's still alive. Everyone seem to have theories whether he's dead or alive but what most agree with was there was no suicide.

INB4 some one else points out the irony in some one accusing people who want to expose pedophiles as having child porn in lieu of an argument.

Did anyone hear something? I couldn't hear anything over the overwhelming din of totalitarians justifying silencing free speech by accusing those that support it as being "the other" and less than the general population therefore justifying persecution of them. Never mind, it was probably just a fart in the wind.

Bitcoin itself is about as 'extreme' as one can get.  "A unique form of domestic terrorism" was how it has been described by some of our (the U.S.'s) lawmakers as I recall (and I would basically agree with him on this.)  Any place where Bitcoin is discussed freely could be rightly classified as 'an extremist recruitment platform.'

Get real, that's any place people are allowed to speak freely.

Very crazy version, although anything can be

here's a ceeeeraaazzzy theory

let's not be surprised if some internet watchdog brands the whole of bitcointalk.org as a "extremist recruiter's website" because of the people behaving like dickheads in this Politics & Society sub-forum

Exactly the opposite is true with a 'dead man's switch.'

I think it absurdly naive to imagine that Jeff Epstein was unaware of the method or did not have the resources needed to implement one.

The only plausible reason for a man in Epstein's business not to have a dead-man's switch is that he was not high enough in the cabal to be allowed to have one, and that he was minded pretty carefully to make sure he didn't do his own thing.  G. Maxwell might have been able to manage him to that degree, but it seems kind of doubtful to me.

If there is some reason to believe that Epstein is dead I'll consider it.  Being reported dead by CNN or by some federal law enforcement entity is, to me, almost valueless as a reason to believe he is dead.  It's actually a reason for me to believe he is probably alive in fact.

dead men tell no tales. he's dead even if there is a conspiracy here there ain't no one is going to tell anymore. if he committed suicide then he must have figured it already that even if his crimes aren't proven he will still be judged by people and tagged as sex offender. sex offenders are treated good in inside or outside so he might as well break his neck before someone else does with satisfaction of watching him live as he dance on the air.

what your willfully ignoring is that he was not in 'gen pop' he was on the suicide watch cells .. hmm. ask yourself why he was in suicide watch
anyways, these specialist cells where guards were suppose to be watching him frequently. they instead fell asleep due to working overtime(short staffed)

in a suicide watch cell you have no cellmate and doors are locked.
so whats your next conspiracy. that the guards left the door open for someone to get in, or the guards were the murderers

but before next tinfoil hatting a guard caused the murder
the reason they guards got arrested was because their 'ticksheet' showed they done their observations, but security footage showed them asleep

they got arrested for the falsification of documents.. not murder

Tell the expert career pathologists and coroners to go home, Franky1 is on the case and he has it all under control. Nothing to see here, move along. No one mention the guards that just got arrested for allowing this murd.... I mean suicide to happen.

1. strangled or strangling. same bones are affected.. sorry but true
2. when suffercating by own hand or others your eyes in both cases go bloodshot
3. no mention of defensive marks like being hit in the head or bound first to then strangle him.
4. no mention of any nail marks of epstein trying to remove the material from his neck

so no sign of other persons involved
also if there was a other person, the conspiracy fud would continue because it would be blamed on another inmate first. obviously important figures wouldnt visit the cell themselves.
so then the conspiracy fud would go down the path of 'was it a inmate that just hated paedo's' or 'hired to kill'
thus the tinfoil hat people wouldnt end the drama even if they could find something that said someone else was involved.

(in short, even if there was mountains of evidence in favour of a conspiracy. a conspiracy nut wouldnt shut up and b happy with the result and would instead still dig deeper)

sorry tinfoil hat wearers.
he is dead, simple fact.
he has no signs of being hit or defending himself or trying to loosen the material around his neck
his injuries were caused by strangulation AKA hanging

and before you continue . hanging does break your neck. its why its used so much more then pills. you either die from lack of oxygen or the breaking of your neck from the hanging. thus doubling chances of a successful suicide

Without a doubt the guy was murdered because of the dirt that he had on a lot of powerful people but since there isn't any concrete evidence to back it up we are going to just speculate about the whole thing forever and we are never going to get to the bottom of it and will always rule it out as suicide.The case with the two guards falsifying records to seem that they were checking up on him every 30 minutes seems highly suspicious.

Welcome to P&S, where unsubstantiated claims are fact, fact is fiction, up is down, and all conspiracies are real.

yeah, but a pathologist with a bizarre record for making controversial claims in many many cases linked to questionable deaths of establishment figures. How strange that they wheel this guy out to be present at the autopsy, when there must be thousands of other pathologists perfectly capable of doing it. We need someone we can trust, right?

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most of you sound crazy in this thread


this is a real case, involving real people, not some stupid fantasy TV show plot. If you really thought this was important, you'd quit the dumb mindless unsubstantiated claims, but because so many of you are making claims that have no evidence, you make the whole situation all look cerrrrrazzzyyyyy

and doing that helps Epstein, and his co-accused, many of whom are still alive. you may as well be working for those people, really, I'm sure they're really happy with the way you're presenting this story

We're finally getting down to the truth. It shows that the wealthy government people are generally the worst.


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I think it's fair to say that everyone agrees that he is dead, I HIGHLY doubt that that they would be able to get this guy out of prison without having someone see -- who's not apart of their plan -- and blow the whistle on that.

The debate over if Epstein killed himself before he was going to be facing trial -- or if he was killed.

I think most think that he was killed. As he could've outed most of the elite as pedos and gotten them all DESTROYED. But they got to him first.

I really don't think Mr. Jeffrey Epstein was who they (the mass media) portrayed him to be, sure he might have been pimping young girls (jerk), but there has to be more to the story. What's with that israel flag colored temple on his Lolita island, what kind of services or rituals took place in there? If I'm not mistaken, the news ruled his death a suicide correct?
 Now this physician comes out that he may have been killed. I don't know who to believe anymore  

Stupid goyim sheeple logic 101:

Pathologist says something different than so-called 'law enforcement' say so they are enemies.  Everyone agrees that Epstein is dead, even enemies who disagree with each other, so he must be dead.

I'll wait for one vaguely credible reason to believe that Epstein is dead before I'll have any doubt that he is alive and happily fucking kids with all his pervert friends in Tel Aviv or wherever.

So Clinton and any other prime democrats flew to his island multiple times, He had no obvious source of income (rather than shady deals). His injuries (hommoroids in eyes) were sign of strangling (not hanging), and not but last, survaillance cameras off, inmates moved, no guards... kindof unprofessionally, seems like they wanted it to look like a hit job. They even rushed to move the body out of the cell (which is a no no in homicide examinations)

Because all of the circumstances are pointing to murder rather than suicide. And now, the man who saying this is more or less a credible man, not just any random guy online. Baden was once "New York's chief medical examiner."

Big players urgently need to switch the man off. The man does not have to kill himself. He once was guilty of the same crime and got away with it with only a little more than a year of jail time.

Oh look -- the story that the internet was talking about right when the guy died is true.

Who would actually think that a pedophile with connections to other pedophiles who are rich and wealthy would just off himself when he could just expose everyone to 'get off'. Everyone knew this story was fishy. The news is probably just going to run with this for a couple days and then it will bury the story forever. That's how the world operates when the most powerful people are going to get in trouble -- nothing happens.

More than a couple of months after Epstein died due to an alleged suicide, news are coming out with a different story.

This time, it is told by a pathologist.

This man has a lot of controversies in his life and death. And many are involved and have too much stake to lose.


https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3035637/jeffrey-epsteins-injuries-point-murder-not-suicide
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/jeffrey-epstein-s-injuries-point-to-murder-not-suicide-pathologist-says
https://news.mb.com.ph/2019/10/31/pathologist-says-epsteins-injuries-point-to-murder-not-suicide/