Topic: Equal society is possible.... (Read 764 times)

I am not a socialist nor a communist, but I have read a bit about the works of Marx and Engels. When you talk about the upper, middle and low class, you must be aware about the way socialist and communist see that system.
In the eyes of communists, the middle class does not actually exist, there are only two classes within society: the capitalists, who hold the means of production and the working class, who do not own the means of production and sell their work force. Both the low and middle class do the same to survive in the capitalist system: to sell their workforce.

Regardless of what you think of it, since we are talking about equality/equity, I thought it would be interesting to point that out.

Also, I have seen people who are communists to claim the bible actually has passages which are quite similar to the ideas of communism, alledgely God instructed the people of Israel to collect the mana in the morning (during their travel through the desert) to do so in a manner which anyone would be fed according to their needs, and collect according to their capabilities.

Equality is not possible any where in the world, as far as life is concerned, there is nothing equally so the society can not be equal. This fact doesn't mean justice can't prevail.

Even from the biblical account of creation,God never created everything to be equal, he made some to be big and some small, man over woman and so on. The society is built on a social strata that has a hierarchy of three, the upper class, middle class and the low class. Non cam function without the other.
A practical question that can fix the deliberation concerning equality is "If everyone becomes rich who will serve who?".just like there will be no driver nor taxi, no clear I'm any where, you cannot employ me I can not employ you.

So life is just not supposed to be equal, it's natural that one should be bigger at some point that that has made the society to last long. There most be a class of followers and leaders.

For me, as long as life exists,all men must not be equal. The equality demanded by each generation of the human race has never achieved a perfect conclusion because it is the trajectory of life. And in any given society, there must be inequality of human importance, we only campaign for the rule of law to stipulate fairness for the benefit of the common man.

Actually, those in control are the ones who destroy themselves and their control. Their greed does this. They use their control to harm the poor people. It happened over the last couple hundred years in Hawaii.

History shows that the people find a way to take the power away from the wealthy controllers who are harming them. Maybe Karl Marx was honest in his thinking. Maybe he wasn't the kind of person who would harm anybody. Maybe he truly wanted to benefit the people. But if he really was a good guy, then he underestimated the ambition of some people to take control, and their ignorance regarding how their wrong use of their control would destroy their control while harming a bunch of little people.

If you want to see what happened in Hawaii, watch this interview between Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard - https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-encounter-tulsi-gabbard/.

This is the big flaw in Karl Marx. Maybe it can be overcome with a true Bitcoin-like, decentralized economy... set up so that there can be no controllers.

So far as the hunger to be at the top continues, every one can never be equal in the society reason being that we all are humans but created differently because there are things you know and you are able to comprehend them perfectly but I may not know even if I try to I may not be as perfect as you are that is just nature for us and coming to the society we are now, the rich wants to get Richer and take home everything without caring about how the poor ones in the society are doing instead they will even see where the poor ones are trying to survive from and still take it from them so there is no relationship between the poor and the rich because Normally, the rich always roll with the rich so there is no place for the poor and that brings about inequality in the society.

If we look back from the beginning of the world, there has been a disparity between the rich and the poor which has continued till now. To be honest, it is not possible to build an equal society in the world. There are different countries in the world with different languages, religion, culture and food. It will be possible to build an equal society in the world if you try to reconcile the differences in language, culture and food, but it is not possible because of the differences in religion. It seems to me that people will not compromise on religion even if they accept everything else. Equal society is possible on paper but impossible in reality.

You can only theories about equal society in the real sence there can't be an equal society any where in the world because society is classified from the beginning of the world till now
The best you can do is to walk your way out of your current position as an individual so you get some respect from people but talking about an equal society it is not possible

Though, the problem begins when we depart of the fact we all (as human beings) are more inclined towards selfishness than towards charity and seeking to help others to solve their problems. I don't think the state is supposed to completely ignore social problems and just allow people to fend for themselves, but I am not either in favor of a totalitarian government which would seek to abolish all social classes and make us all to live under the same conditions.
You know, there are things which happen to people which they don't have control over. It is not the same to give a free house to someone who decided to drop out college than someone who developed cancer and needs medicine and treatment to save their life. Nobody chooses to get cancer or get sick, in anyway and in those cases I believe the government should intervene.

It is not a coincidence most of the happiest countries in the world happen to be those who have universal healthcare for their residents.

The only function equality in every society is the law that's states "No one's above the Law".
So what poor need most in a societies now they can stay away from being oppressed by the riches and how the government would always have an effective lawful exercises equal at every living being without undermining their differential portfolio.
But talking about having a more comfortable live in the society is some what the poor can't dare with the rich because the riches will always be reachable to what their funds can afford them such as the worldly materialistic and infrastructures.

That's why it's necessary for a Nation to have laws that doesn't discriminate or having a upper class and lower class citizens in its nation else there would always be segregations amongst everyone in a society.

It will be difficult for you to see such society in the world these days because, there are some people who don't want to work but they are looking for free things to collect from the society and sometimes they will be laughing at those that are seriously working hard to become a better person in the future and, to see equal people to such society will be very hard.

If family members cannot be equal in the family because father will love one pass the other one and mother will love one pass the other one which will be difficult for full society that is bigger than family to be equal in wealth and other things because, there will be poor people in the society and there will be wealthy people in the society.

Indeed. The leftist libertarian spectrum doesn't agree with the idea of "Meritocracy", and since they believe the idea of equality is directly related to Meritocracy, they think it's not enough to reach their utopian society, where everyone will be, in theory, equal. Therefore, they push the concept of equity ahead as the final solution. The point is that if you aren't rewarded for your merits, you will feel discouraged to continue developing yourself as individual and as a gear of your local society. On long run, it will only work for the total collapse of the community.

There will be always people with more difficults to develop themselves as individuals and to thrive in life. The point is that these people have to count on the good will and benevolence of the ones who are in better conditions to continue evolving in life as well, instead of governments seizing belongings and forcing people who are in better conditions to live on the same low standards of the rest of the population, as the equity in misery were the solution for all the problems in the world...

It is a different way to look at it, which most of people would also understand.
Within the political spectrum one could find parties or movements which are either in favor of equality of opportunities, while there are others more into equality of results.
Those who are in the political right are more into equality of opportunities, while the left is more into equality of results.
For example, a government which is in favor of equal chances/opportunies will offer affordable education and access to food for children, and in the case some of the children chose or could not continue to study and later in life not to be able to affort a home for it, they will disregard that.
On the other hand, a government which favors the equal of results, will try everyone to be able to have a home or afford one, regardless whether they chose/could study and get a good job earlier in their youth.

Because, it is correct what you say. Each person has gotten their own particular and personal challenges and it would be impossible to reach equity by treating all of them the same way, that is why in some of the works of Marxism, it is encouraged not to treat all of the citizens equally, but doing things in that way is justified within the theory to reach equity or the abolition of social classes.

I've always said that equality can only be pursued in certain areas, for instance you can make the law treat every person the same way despite of how much money they have and how well educated they are.
You can't force equality in all areas because of personal differences we have in our genes. For instance, if you pursue equality in education you will lower the expectations and make smart people learn less than they could. You'll create a society of underperformers.
The deal is very similar when we look at finances. When someone makes a lot of money and you punish him for it, you'll stop scientific progress. You actually want a lot of Musk's in society who make a lot of money and spend that money to drive the economy. You don't want to run these people to the ground with taxes.

That is the difference between equality and equity. In a system where equality prevails, every individuals have the same rights, obligations and are treated in the same manner by the justice system, while in a system of equity, the central party or government attempts to flatten everyone to be on the same level, what is a fallacy by itself, since this kind of system can't work in a fair way because everyone is different from each other, and such differences can't be flatten by an external imperfect force from another human beings.

Then we just have a bunch of demagogic and populistic tyrannical governors trying to impose this concept of social politics on their territories, which never work, and only creates further inequality and uprisings.

i don't really believe that there will be an equal society in this world, because for a long time humans have lived in a system where there are social classes in society, such as nobles, poor people, etc. in fact, religion itself is against the existence of an equal society, because when that system is formed, humans will be under the same government, the same language, and the same goals, and some religions have also warned against this. so as long as religion still exists in this world and people still live by their standards, i don't think that an equal society will exist.

There is no doubt as you are saying all is right but with this all its really challenging having society on equal basis because then still we will miss many things which are important in life and this is surely having another troubles for the many as we will have all things in books and dramas with in reality we are completely different and things never been gone as we have in these test books and related dramas and films just because of this we are still unable to achieve many things which were talk many decades back and having huge impacts on human's history, but we are never able to achieve this equality in humans and our society because this is really hard in reality with just good for the read and watch.

I agree with your statement 100%. Karan The social system of more than half of the countries in the present world is just for show.  Every street in their country, every advertisement says stop discrimination. But in reality they are the ones who engage in more discrimination.  Which is very shameful.

If we want to talk about inequality and equality in society then equality and inequality in society exist only in stories or in different textbooks.

We see some warning written before various dramas or cartoon videos saying, "The characters, place and period of the said drama have no resemblance to reality". At present, the equality and discrimination of the society is almost like this.

But, I will not say that the social system of all the countries of the world is like this. There are many countries in the world where social inequality is real and noticeable.

Nothing is equal even though there are saying that conclude that all things being equal, nothing is meant to be equal.
We just have to keep living the life we are meant to leave. Just like we know that getting a job is based on connections and information every though everyone has the same level of degree, there are still people that would take the position not because the merit it but due to many reasons that make things inequality. There are people of high classes while also the middle class and lower class is also available.

Because people don't want to live in a united way an equal society is not possible. The picture of reality is full of various inequalities and inequalities. How much justice can we do one man to another man. There is room for doubt in this regard as well. As humans we are divided into selfish individuals and classes. What I think is right or think or think right for my own needs the same sense of justice or sense of right is viewed from a different perspective towards another human being.

To be honest I don’t think the society can ever have a equal social Class in the society even Karl max classified the society into three categories.and the world we live in can’t accept that foam of equality

An equal society does not mean everyone will be in the class of the elites. If everyone belong to that class, there will be no balance and it will certainly cause more problems than good for the people. Irrespective of the amount of wealth one has to his name, everyone should still be given equal rights. This is where the equality comes In. No one should be prevented from enjoying certain benefits simply because they are poor. An equal society where everyone shares thesame right and benefits can  actually be achieved if everyone can drop their pride and live in harmony with one another. This is the only way we can bridge the gap between the rich and the poor in the society.

This your statement is the truth about equality I totally agree with you,  when there is peace equality will not have significant effect people felt they are less value when they lack peace.
Nature has be designed for mankind to exist in stages, assuming everyone is equal to the president who will give command or everyone has equal financial status who will be a labourer to feed others. Equality can't work. But one thing is that when peace exist human shift from there level to another, as a labourer today can end up employer of labour that is why I so much agree with odohu that it will be a Chao's.

Sure, Blockchain technology and decentralization can be used to fight against corruption and help to establish transparency within our monetary system, but you need to be aware that if only possible if the current system of the FIAT as tool of transition of value gets abolished, and that is not something which the governments and the big companies are willing to allow to happen. It would imply we as citizens would have access to information which the corrupt do not have us to have: their salary, their balances in the Blockchain, the way they actually manage the public budgets, among other things.

If there is a system which they would prefer to adopt, then it would be one which would allow them to further steal and defraud society and go unpunished as long as possible.

I have also seen people suggesting that in order for us to defeat corruption and bring more equality to society, we should try to implement a communist government or a socialist government with an Articial Inteligence or a machine as the leader of the country/administration. Since the machine would not hold human feelings whatsoever, it could not feel greed, anger or desire to defraud the nation which is being administered. Though, I personally believe that possibility to be extremely futuristic and dystopian for my taste.

My post is my private property, my work, my creation. Deleting it is destruction of private property.


If someone is one someone elses private propery, he/she is trespasing, breaking the law, every right to throw them out.

You are correct, but another notion that might assist overcome the human Being prone for corruption is the use of technology in order to build a more democratic and accountable society. For instance, the application of blockchain technology may be used to build a system in which every single transaction are documented and made accessible to everyone, making it much harder for anyone to participate in corrupt behaviour. This might contribute to a kinder to one another society by making it simpler to observe and hold individuals responsible for the results of their activities. Help to establish a society that is more equitable while understanding and tackling the human vulnerability for dishonesty and arrogance. So equal society can be achieved.

How would this be possible? The rich always want to be top and having preys they would always use for there evil works.
There eis no possibility that equal society could be possible at any. The government is always tasking the poor more than necessary so we don't need to be surprised about this. Things are looking like it could be possible mere saying it but beneath the truth about live, ww know that this would never be possible even in 1000 years to come.

As of the moment, there is no real communist country per the definition of karl marx.  Even China who is considered a communist country is more on a socialist than a communist.  There will always be people who are more well of than the others and there are so many considerations before  you can say that you achieve being a communist country (per the definition of karl marx).  Maybe in the future we will see a communist country by the definition of karl marx but I am more leading that it is almost impossible and socialist country is a more achievable goal.

Humans are social creatures, so humans have been living in groups since the Stone Age until now. From the Stone Age to the modern age, in this great period of time, society has undergone massive changes in the way of thinking, achieving goals, and needs, and using rituals in the structure. In the Stone Age people had very few needs and lived in groups by hunting. But in the current context, as people's income has increased due to the discovery of various means of earning, many people have remained poor, and the difference between the rich and the poor has made social equality almost impossible.

That is a pretty amazing viewpoint! So you're implying that human nature's greed and selfishness make it harder to build a society that is equal. You also believe that class inequality are an inevitable component of human society and that attempting to eliminate them is impossible to achieve. Instead, we should work to create a society in which everyone, regardless of class, can live in peace and harmony.  This requires the government to spread wealth more fairly, as a greater number of people own a greater share of the wealth while other people have very little, and kids born into poor households are less likely to have the resources they require to be successful.

As a concept communism is the best thing but they are flawed as you said leaders never do the job of the bottom-level workers so where is the actual equality? And it doesn't fit in the modern politics games which is why Cuba is struggling even to face the basic needs but somehow manages due to the tourism which they got after covid.

Karl Marx and Communism are the best, except for one thing. The leaders are never simple workers... doing the simple job of leading and directing. They always pilfer off the top of the earnings to get a more comfortable life... or to get really wealthy. There is no way to stop this in Communism. It always happens, and is the one destroying flaw that always is in all of Communism.

It is very difficult to think or create an equal society for all.There has been a disparity between the rich and the poor since ages.It is not possible for anyone to balance this.An equal society is imaginable.If a rich person would have taken the poor a little, then maybe the image of the society would have been a little different.But that might be nothing but foolishness to expect.  Because equality between rich and poor is never possible.None of them can accept anyone as their own.Both groups of people have to extend their hand of cooperation to balance this.  The upper class should also be polite to the lower class and the lower class should be respectful towards the upper class, but maybe it is possible to eliminate this inequality to some extent.

This will only be possible if the first class citizen balance the gap between the rich, middle class and the poor, there is much separation existing between this classes I mentioned here, many rich people wouldn't like to mingle with average people because they believe that they are not their class, it is not as if it is impossible but individual thinking differs, though I still believe that there are people who has been thinking this way but our political class mainly will not allow this equality and the same right system to exist because of their selfish interest, the world is full of dubious people that loves segregation.

The concept of equality is just a mirage! I know a lot of people fantasise over this a lot. The truth is that a world of equality will only lead to anarchy and chaos as there will be no law and order.

There is hardly any religion of the world that teaches about equality. Even in socialist societies, there is rarely a practicable demonstration of this equality.

The early we accept the natural concept of social stratification,  the earlier we will all live in peace and harmony with everyone respecting their boundaries and limits as well as those of others.

An unequal society doesn't mean that people have to harm each other. I want an unequal society where all people, great and small, respect each other.

For example, I don't want to work two jobs just to be able to buy more toys in life. Other people might want the toys, so they work two jobs. I don't want to be equal with them, and they don't want to be equal with me.

In fact, there should be more respect because of the inequality.

Karl Marx would suggest that everybody should embrace his ideals, equality. I would suggest that only those who want to embrace his ideals should be equal with him.

No I don't think that in law that humans are equal. Karl Marx said it with the expectation and hope that if human society would operate as equal but we know that egalitarian society is not totally possible. In the bible it is also said that man is God to man and so if that is so , it means man will not be equal in certain circumstances. About law, it is human factors that made law to be created. Like Thomas Hobbes said that life will be brutish and nasty without law and punishment. Deleting your post is maybe because you have gone against the rule and law which can cause your post to be deleted.

To me I don't think an equal society can be possible, check the society today,the rich are getting richer, while the poor are getting poorer, the rich always see themselves to be Superior and see the poor as inferior, there's always a differenciation of class.

You can also see the problems we are having even in our religious practices, there's always an religious crisis between the Christians and the Muslims, how can an equal society be possible when there is no peace between the religious groups?

Check in politics too, the politicians see the citizens as people of low class, deceive the citizens, make fake promises(manifestos) during campaign and end up not fulfilling any when they finally acquire power and political positions,
I don't really think an equal society can be possible, it's will be hard to achieve...

You actually made wonderful points that throughly reflect my view. Actually,  the concept of equality have no known history. From ancient kingdoms through the Biblical era to even our traditional African setting, there has never been a place for equality rather we have seen social stratification tailored in such a way that there will be law and order.

If everyone in the society is equal in all ramification, there will be chaos.  What we should focus on should be ensuring that we all enjoy peace and live in harmon; everyone should have a sense of belonging.

You're wrong about that. We can be all seen as equal by the law, but law is not a single paragraph. There's also things like private property.

If moderators were unable to delete a post on their own platform due to equality laws, you also wouldn't be able to throw someone out of your property. If posts are permanent and untouchable, so is art, but what is art? If I paint a mural on your wall without asking, do you have the right to repaint it? After all you'd be destroying my work and we are equal.

Moderating forums has nothing to do with equality, or the lack of it.

As per law all Humans are equal. That is the law, regardless of skin color, gender, intelligence...
In praxis the situation is a laugh or should we say a tragedy of disregard of law. Per Law no moderator is allowed to delete a post. A equal can not delete another equal's post. Paternalism requires a court to act

  Max was right, but in today's world, Africa as an example, are under developing themselves, the colonial masters are gone, yet the independent are still shaking because of the leadership problem of Africa. till this date Africa has not make secondly product of their resources. its quite unfortunate that the equal society will never work anywhere in the world, and if its will happen in the future certainly it will not be Africa. Africa must go home and think. that's the only solution from modern day slavery.

Maybe the American people have been going on about it in the wrong way. They should ALL get into government, and then pass bills making equal pay for all of them.

Citing Karl Marx, assertion on how a country's economy will develop whit a sole dependence on another societies economy, we will all agree that there can never be a thing as an equal society. following Marx "Dependency theory " of an economy ,societies which tends to develop political and economic wise must depend on another advanced Society's economy for development and as we all know such society will live in the debt and mercy of the advanced Society's in terms of their trade, so I'll conclude that an equal society is far from the globe.

The American banking system is one of the best in the world. It is separate from the government, but the government authorizes it like any other free enterprise corporation. But here is why it is good. It allows society to go on in bountifulness, all the while stealing from the people in ways that seem to barely hurt the people... barely hurt the people until something like the Ukraine war (which the big banking owners are supporting) comes along, and inflation flies to the skies because of it.

An equitable and just society will be the desire of the poor and not the rich. If the resources of the country are used effectively everybody may at least have their basic needs. But the influential people in the society systematically short-change the masses and accumulate wealth. Capitalists will always partner with the government to exploit the masses. Most industries are owned by businessmen that are connected to top government officials so they will always make policies that will favor their cronies.

In my country, because the president has ties with some companies he makes policies that will negatively affect competitors. Some of them were wrongly charged with tax invasion and closed down. The favored firm will now enjoy a monopoly. They will fix the prices of their goods as they like because there are no competitors. If society maintains equality the rich will not get richer and the number of poor people will reduce.

Personally, I believe that achieving a completely equal society is a complex and challenging task. While Karl Marx's theories provide valuable insights, the reality is that human societies are often driven by biases, power dynamics, and economic interests. These factors make it difficult to achieve true equality.

However, I also believe that striving for greater equality is essential. By promoting fairness, justice, and equal opportunities, we can make significant progress towards a more inclusive society. It may not be an ideal process, but small steps towards equality can create positive change and improve people's lives.

Equal society is possible when the people perceived as leaders, Begin to see their position as an opportunity accord to them by the populace, the people at the leadership position should see everybody as one, treat everyone equally if the needs arises. There should be no segregation between the rich and the poor, the society at large will be seen as a peaceful and equal when everybody is been carried along in all aspect of development. The question remain the equal society is it achievable, when you take into consideration the recent happenings, you will be left with no option than to conclude that this event is very difficult to unfold.

Equal society is a funny notion. Society is always unequal because of good guys doing good things that make everything better, and because of bad guys always doing bad things that make everything worse. It's always like a tug of war between them.

However, in the end society is completely equal. Everybody dies.

There has never been a fairly balanced situation. Even in the holy scriptures there were alot of politicking. Take the story of Esua and Jacob into account and you will realised how biased the whole scenario was.
In the government there are alot of conspiracies and even in our families, even as the parents may claim that they love all their children equally. It is never like that, there must exist this special child among others.
In the religious sector, there are alot of sentiments and that is how it will be until you work your way to the elites group.

Social inequality is an inevitable social phenomenon - it is a matter of different views. There is a view that inequality is always present because of personality differences between individuals. If there is an open society and if people differ in their talents and needs then that would imply that inequality is inevitable. It is a fact of society.

What you're talking about is communism. Communism is a concept that has only worked and would only work in theory. There is no way we can ever have an equal society. It's not in human nature. There must always be a hierarchy. There must always be class. The upper class, the middle class, and the lower class. The only thing I think is possible is to reduce the gap between the classes.
In today's world, the earth can fit perfectly in the gap between the upper class and middle class, not to talk of the lower class. In fact in some societies, the middle class is non-existent. It's just the upper class and the lower class.

My views on equal society
Who will serve as the leader and servant to the other if humans are created to be equal to other creatures? because there will be a level of equality among them that will prevent the other from following the advice of others. This is intended to be the situation. each of them would end up making the decision, and no one is agreeing with the other. That will be a significant issue because none of them has the last say in any particular issue or circumstance. That will inadvertently lead to a significant issue in a society where equality is practiced.

To avoid such a scenario not taking effect, let every individual focus on and work on their own goals and not be envied by others because all fingers can never be the same.

I don't blame you for anything. I'm just saying that confusing equality with sameness is a very common mistake, and there is no tautology here, people are equal, but they are not the same. And there is no need to fight for equality, because it is already there from the very beginning, it is necessary to fight against manifestations of inequality (racism, nazism and other remnants of caste systems). But in order to fight correctly, you need to clearly understand the difference between equality and sameness, because otherwise you will fight not with manifestations of inequality, but with manifestations of human individuality.

I hope my English is good enough to carry on a dialogue about such rather subtle things.

That is, first a Bolshevik and now a racist for explaining to you what a tautology is. I'm growing my ignore list lately and you just ran for office.


Precisely today there are fewer poor people than ever before thanks to societies that provide equal opportunities.

The equality of people is not a goal, but a correct premise. If you start from the premise that people are not equal because they are not the same, then you are already wrong in the first place (because this is a fucking racism). And yes, I agree with you that it is probably impossible to make everyone rich, because greed has no limits, but at the current level of development of world civilization and scientific and technological progress, it is quite possible to make sure that there are no poor people.

Really? That's a big lol right there.  

What I have yet to see in this forum, to be called, in a veiled way, Bolshevik.


No because sameness does not exist unless we refer to the tautology that I am the same as I am, which is true but is so banal that it contributes nothing.


No, it's not impossible, but it's bullshit as I just explained.


The equality of people should not be a goal. At most I could agree that a goal is to avoid extreme inequality.


(2) definitely.

It's not possible to have an Equal society, even in the family level we can't have an Equal one, because of our knowledge level and awareness towards life, but we can make it a better place,and live in harmony if we desire to be in peace and love each other. But to have an Equal society will it be possible till the world come to an end, the Rich and the poor can't never be on the same table.

This is Utopia.
And by that means, we'll never reach that point. Let's just not go with the leaders of this world but just with the simple citizens. There's always inequality and disagreement in things that we'll deal with and that's why this is impossible. As much as we peaceful making people wants to live in harmony and such, it's like a wish that will never be granted and seen.

OP you should learn from history itself. Using many sources to avoid bias, your check what happened to those communist governments. Look at North Korea. Check what communist China has been doing in recent years, especially in their economy, and understand if they are still following the doctrine of Marx. Learn what happened to the previous communist governments in Russia and Yugoslavia.

Humans are far from perfect. Perfect will remain an ambition as always. Any kind of government works well if we are perfect.   

Equality in the society will be impossible,because human mindset is different from one another and we are also very greedy and full of evil. The rich wouldn't want to share their resources with the poor neither will they allow their children to mingle with a poor kid. Just the way our fingers are not equal that is how equality can't be achieved in a society. It is only in the sight of God that we are equal because he created us all. But we just find ourselves in the society and the rich one will look at the poor as shit that is why they oppress and intimidate the poor with hash conditions and hatred. The leaders that are suppose to help the society to achieve equality are the ones dividing the society with their evil ways

What is an "equal society?" Those who incorporate (1) equality of outcome or (2) equality of opportunity?
You see, people have:
- Different talents/abilities
- Different interest
- Different priorities in life
- Different ambition

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." is pretty flawed since there's no abundance of resources that can satisfy everyone wants (not needs). Anyway, even if we argue that the resources are unlimited and can satisfy everyone, people won't have the drive to push themselves like in this era. Innovation in technology etc. only happens because someone somewhere wants to get rich.

There can never be a time everybody will be rich at the same time. The society does not permit that and also nature does not permit that. There must be an imbalance in society for there to be the difference between the giver and the receiver, the rich and the poor.
If everything is balanced and eventually everybody becomes rich, there won't be any story of success and failure and the whole life will not be sweet. The is why everyone tries to be in the rich category of the society and then money can flow from rich to poor.

Hey, the theory you're attempting to visualize is not feasible in this circumstance. And any effort made to make that work will be worthless because the goal can never be achieved. Because fingers are not equal, the world's population will never live in an equal society.

There are numerous unlikely possibilities this can lead to if certain people plan to come together and work toward this common goal. The world will be a better place if we show compassion, love, and support to those who are less fortunate, but living in an equal society will never be possible.

Sounds like you are in some sort of fantasy world
There can never be equality in a society. So long as we have politicians and rules whom we hand over our power and money in form of taxes to make rules and laws for us. Humans are easily corrupted by power and money, and they will do the most stupid things to stay at the top.

Maybe first abolishing politics and politicians can be a greet step in the right direction.

Class struggle is one of the characteristics of human civilization and the world is divided along this line and there is class separation and most times is the rich vs the poor and this is how the society has been configured to work,  while the rich struggle to get richer,  the poor constantly struggle to stay amazed.

We have another class which is between the two who are the middle class,  while the class struggle to land in the upper class/Rich but in most cases their end up dropping down to the lower asylum poor due to economic situation and lack of necessary resource to keep them afloat.

The trouble is that not everybody can do every trade. A seamstress might not know how to make car engines. A car metallurgist might not know how to make glass for the windows. Only a few people know how to organize and direct the affairs of society to benefit everyone equally. And there is where the problem lies. You can't trust the leaders to keep from enriching themselves above the rest, and making everybody else their slaves. If they say that you can trust them, how do you know they aren't lying... or at least delusional?

There's nothing that is impossible as long as we can give it all it takes to survived through the impossibilities that constitute the whole matter, these kind of midset is what led to the development of an impossible research through an ordinary imagination that something can fly up as against the law of motion if created and this are the ideas that comes up to having an aeroplane, which means if there's unity in the society, anything is achievable among the people.

You are making the same mistake that the Bolsheviks made in the USSR - confusing equality and sameness. Sameness is impossible, because all people are different. But the equality of people is quite an achievable goal, and you yourself recognize that people should be equal in rights and strive to give everyone equal opportunities.

I was thinking that there was little to separate each group of hunter gatherers, simple
tools, simple clothing and simple shelter. The sole purpose was to sustain
that simple life. It could be compared to those Ants...

In developed countries life is very complicated and is predominantly driven by
seeking wealth and trying to progress so everyone is on a slightly different path to
others which doesnt go too well for an equal society.

Its just theory with difficult to implement

Ye sure, dream on. It would mean everyone has the same intellectual capacity. If your wife is smarter as you no longer equal to her, you are below her standing.
Warm ice-cream is possible....... 

"Great idea; wrong species" - American biologist E. O. Wilson.

Wealth distribution sounds great until it applies to humans who are incapable of working in perfect unison with respect to wealth generation. The amount of work someone does must be proportional to the wealth someone generates -- with communism it's easy for someone's work to be disproportionate to the wealth generated. Now, if you're an ant on a farm -- and all your programed to do is work in unison, communism looks feasible. Not even during the hunter gatherer era was there equality, such a concept didn't exist.

You have not read Marx's Capital, in the same way that almost no one has read it. The garbage of labor theory of value or that in that ideal communist society instead of being specialized in a job, we would change jobs just like gender fluid people change gender are just plain bullshit.


I don't know what world the panorama you paint is from, but it certainly isn't from this one. In this world we will never be equal, and that's not a bad thing, the world is the way it is. What we have to be is equal in rights and tend to try to equalize in opportunities, not in results. Although I doubt you understand what I am saying.

Unfortunately I do not think that soceity will ever act unitedly no matter how hard they try to make it happen. Human beings are difficult to control and with the different opinions and views that people have is increasing daily, people are becoming harder to bring together but easier to divide. An equal soceity will be something very difficult to achieve when people disagree on everything from religion to culture to lifestyle,

Pretty much as everyone has stated the common problem in achieving an equal society
is the inclusion of Humans. We are all different with different goals, needs and
requirements. Its just too simple to say social equality is achievable.

I would say the only time humans had social equality was during the time of the early
hunter gatherers, there was only very simple goals, food, warmth and shelter.

In an effort to live a life some people do better than others and have different capabilities,
work harder than others and have greater goals than others which results in greater
rewards for different people.

Theoretically speaking yes it's possible,  but like Karl Marx  believes, that profit minded influence could be the source of this inequality!
You can imagine we have people all over the world willing to do anything for a few bucks and this also brings in the element of Master slave relationship which distorts the possibility of equality.

And the fact that society has allowed certain places, things to be only available to a certain class of people,equality can never be archived all thanks to this thing called money...unless you live in a communist environment.

My brother your understanding of that Karl Marx theory is very narrow. That Karl Marx theory can only work in a small society of few people and not much. Which that can under themselves. Even a Nations State with large number of people can't unite themselves.
And a society can never be equal again on this Earth because the mindset of the people is no more one again. Capitalism has spoiled everything for Marxist theory. Do you also remember that Marx said the only way for the people to have egalitarian society is massive revolution against the Capitalist society but the Capitalist use these the same youths to divide themselves, so there will be no unity in anywhere. The rich is using the poor to divide themselves.

Everything is possible to achieve when we live in peace with our fellow brothers in the society, we have to make it a responsibility and point of duty to ensure that this ia what we all set as a common goal, living in peace and harmony will facilitate the quick growth and development of the people living together in the society and everyone will share a common sense of responsibility for each other in that same experience.

Human nature full of greed and selfishness will not permit Equal society devoid of class, class as been part of the  society, it can never be eliminated in nor no time, we have to live in harmony and peace, regardless of the class, this the only equal society that is visible if we all work toward it.

In this society where the poor see no good things, the Rich get richer, classes society is not possible

If we talk about communism and the abolition of the social classes, all goes well when presented in paper, but I am not convinced it is possible to build a perfect society like the utopian communist would like.

I have noticed that many of the theories seems not to hold under the weight of one important factor: the imperfection of human beings. Human beings are corrupt , can lie, can steal feel tempted to screw others just because.

If the class struggle is indeed real, I could see the struggle to continue even after the establishment of the communist society, because the corruption and evil which is often associated with capitalism may continue to exist.

The theories of Karl Marx has made us to understand that an equal society is possible if the society work in unity. Search has shown that 80% of relationship between societies is strictly bias and profit minded which make it difficult for equal society to exist. The rich hate the poor to reach the class and the poor hate the rich for always staying at the top. A quote says: the rich cannot sleep because the poor are awakes and the poor can not sleep because they're hungry. This are part societies from the pictures of seeing people equal or leadership doubtlessly working towards equal societies. Is any society that practice equality laws and equity for oneness in all shared resource?