ETH/BTC, what does it reveal to you?

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Quote from: justdimin on September 23, 2022, 08:35:03 AM

Old school is not always bad, there is this settled understanding in eth/btc pair that makes sure that people understand it because it has been like that for a long time. With this merger and other business it may look like it's corrupted a bit, but the understanding is still there, which is btc going up first, eth going up because of that but the pair lowering, and then when btc stops eth starting to go up because of that because people going into alts and ETH is a big part of that world.

So, basically it is a sorting type of deal, you first get into btc, then into eth and the pair is making you double profit that way, if you are at btc first then at eth, you could end up with more of them both at the same time when it's all done, but this requires bull market of course.

Yeah true, but at the same time people are looking into newer stuff so that they could make a bit of a profit, that's a lot better for them if they could just enable some extra income way and that is why they are looking for bigger pairs. Not bigger in size, but bigger in potential, something you have never heard of vs bitcoin pair for example, or it could be in busd or usdt whatever.

Some small cap with like 100k volume, that would be the way. Why? Because one whale would mean they could profit like never before. I am not saying ETH/BTC pair is bad, all I am saying is that it's not the best ever and we shouldn't really compare it that way neither.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 22, 2022, 08:37:39 AM

In trading when I see that pair, the first thing that comes to my mind is "old school".
Nowadays, it won't be easy to use that pair as a trading substance. It requires a deeper analysis of the market unlike using pairs of BTC to stablecoins and the same with Ethereum and USDT, BUSD, or what you prefer.
It's profitable because of the recent big waves but you have to know what you are doing or you will end up losing more.
I don't go near that kind of pair anymore but instead, use the easier path.

Old school is not always bad, there is this settled understanding in eth/btc pair that makes sure that people understand it because it has been like that for a long time. With this merger and other business it may look like it's corrupted a bit, but the understanding is still there, which is btc going up first, eth going up because of that but the pair lowering, and then when btc stops eth starting to go up because of that because people going into alts and ETH is a big part of that world.

So, basically it is a sorting type of deal, you first get into btc, then into eth and the pair is making you double profit that way, if you are at btc first then at eth, you could end up with more of them both at the same time when it's all done, but this requires bull market of course.

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It's just a trading pair but, this is like the most superior of them all for which two coins that are most popular amongst the crypto market.

There's still a need to go over through the whole market and see where you can take advantage based on the market situation if you're a trader.

This shouldn't be a big deal though because most trades have their pairs and if you choose to be like what the others are doing, you can copy it.

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At this point the ETH/BTC ratio is signaling to me a bunch of people that were buying up ETH to dump ETHW and are now trying to exit as fast as possible lol. Can't think of too many other theories that make much sense as it stands... unless you were to buy into the SEC narrative or similar.

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the majority of traders have switched and used the BTC/USDT, BUSD etc. pairs, because it is simpler and stablecoin fluctuations are still safer.
BTC and ETH if both crash, of course their value will also decrease, because the end goal remains stablecoins.

Currently the most popular and widely used crypto pair is BTC/USDT and second is ETH/USDT. while BTC/ETH is in position 13.
This proves that stablecoin pairs are chosen because they are more secure.

Source: https://www.coinlore.com/top-crypto-pairs

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In trading when I see that pair, the first thing that comes to my mind is "old school".
Nowadays, it won't be easy to use that pair as a trading substance. It requires a deeper analysis of the market unlike using pairs of BTC to stablecoins and the same with Ethereum and USDT, BUSD, or what you prefer.
It's profitable because of the recent big waves but you have to know what you are doing or you will end up losing more.
I don't go near that kind of pair anymore but instead, use the easier path.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important.

ETH/BTC are the top 2 trusted coins in the market. The whole market depends on BTC.
But now the condition of BTC/ETH is very bad which makes the whole market worse. We can understand from market changes why BTC/ETH is reliable, market controlling and important.

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Quote from: examplens on September 20, 2022, 06:58:21 AM

I would say, ETH/BTC is a more predictable pair than some others.
I followed this pair before, and for some time the ratio was always approximately the same. also, any change was never drastic in the short term, and because of this bad positions did not necessarily bring big losses.
at least this was my case.

Yeah, that's mainly because both of them are coins that does well and I do not think that they ever had any big troubles which means that in the end they are going to be doing fine and we shouldn't be shocked about it. If the rate stays around the same, or at least goes to a place where it is totally understandable then we would be able to say that it's a good thing and it would be a common predicted thing.

If the price goes higher then it would be a bit different and weird. So, the success and top 1-2 ranking of these two makes sure that we are doing the right thing and that's a very important situation to be in, I can't say anything more praising about any other coin. They are just that much solid.

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Quote from: examplens on September 20, 2022, 06:58:21 AM

also, any change was never drastic in the short term, and because of this bad positions did not necessarily bring big losses.
at least this was my case.

I have not be trading using the margin market, but just noticed that unstable coins are also paired, which is normal though, because margin market are using spot price and almost completely related to spot trading, aside that you can borrow with it to increase your margin ratio. In future trading where trader can open position, only what I have noticed is that unstable coins are all pairs with only stable coins like USDT or USDC. To reduce the risk, money used would be reduced.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

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examplens pointed out a good explanation about the ratio of it. Usually traders use those as they are more predictable unlike any other altcoin pairs out there, although back then I still traded other coins like ADA with ETH, but the endpoint was still BTC/ETH since I was about to sell it in the end and my custodial wallet would not let me cash out any other crypto coins other than ETH or BTC so still it was like still a no-brainer choice for me.

Also worth mentioning that these two coins are popular and other coins tend to follow the movements of these two.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 19, 2022, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

That could be an indicator to some which tells them when to buy and sell. BTC is the usual pair of most of the altcoins and that could be indication for them for a new trend depends on the price of the pair. If your strategies is like this, then it should work better to you and stick to that because BTC pair seems to be the dominant pair which can really tell the trend of a specific token.

I would say, ETH/BTC is a more predictable pair than some others.
I followed this pair before, and for some time the ratio was always approximately the same. also, any change was never drastic in the short term, and because of this bad positions did not necessarily bring big losses.
at least this was my case.

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Quote from: theskillzdatklls on September 19, 2022, 05:16:12 AM

They are the only two cryptocurrencies that have any real meaning out there. Anything else is just noise, and I'm discounting stablecoins.

I totally disagree with you that those are the only two meaningful tokens there are in this space. Come to think of it, some of these Bitcoin and Eth offshoots, have made the market more competitive and allowed investors opportunities of choice. So, they aren't just noise or utterly not useful. I believe in "the more the merrier concept" and ordinarily like more people coming into this game.

Yeah, if what he was saying is true then why there are such thing as top cryptos? They won't be called like that for no reasons but that can simply mean that they also have a value other than their price of course. It can be true that some of them are only just a noise or hype as others called it but let's admit it that they still did some contributions. They magnet many people in here and even those people lose because of them, they still be able to learn their lesson and now choose only the most worthy coins in this market.

For the OP, using a ratio is important when building a portfolio. It helps us determine how much money we allocate in each coin type for example 60% for btc and 40% on alts.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

That could be an indicator to some which tells them when to buy and sell. BTC is the usual pair of most of the altcoins and that could be indication for them for a new trend depends on the price of the pair. If your strategies is like this, then it should work better to you and stick to that because BTC pair seems to be the dominant pair which can really tell the trend of a specific token.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

ETH/BTC It is common as we all know to convert ETH to BTC and BTC to ETH.Because all these popular coins are prevalent all over the world so everyone is always converting to these coins You can convert BTC/USDT to oil. Right here it means that you are the means to transform each other.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

Some traders actually use the ETH/BTC trading pair as an indicator to determine when to buy or self of ETH or BTC. Check out the ETH/BTC trading chart along with the Bitcoin dominance chart, you will notice a historical pattern.

The ETH/BTC trading pair also helps traders determine if the altcoin season is on.

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This started when a lot of ETH holders tried to shove down to everyone's mouth that ETH is overtaking BTC in terms of volume and momentum. That is the time when people started looking at BTC and ETH as indicators of what could the possible market movement be, and it has stuck with everyone ever since. Idk what's the reason why a lot of people are looking or comparing the ratio of these two coins. It doesn't tell me anything when I have to do my trades, nor does other huge traders that I normally follow.

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Most of crypto user trading in these two big Giants. I remember that in 2021 some YouTuber says that generally 32 eth= 1 BTC . If eth ratio increase over btc it's sign of bullish market. In 2022 Ethereum ratio increased from Last years but it still in bear Market. Don't know why people only ask for these twos

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

Every one is making analysis base on what they understand or experience in Ethereum during this Bear market that's while some people is emphasizing directly or indirectly to this particular comparison between bitcoin and ethereum, it's very obvious that Bitcoin have a higher potential than Ethereum and the volatility of Bitcoin in the market is higher than Ethereum.

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In reality, correlation helps them to make simple predictions because everyone is aware that there are countless coins in the bitcoin ecosystem, but none of them can compare to these two in terms of quality or price. If the market conditions deteriorate, these coins' prices will remain substantial and won't fall to zero, in contrast to investments in other coins, which may raise concerns about their demise and lost value.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

These two are the most stable coins comparing to other alts.
For this discussing about these coins remains in the hot topic.
Another solid reason that leads to discussion about this specific pair is just due to it’s stable nature, and people like to trade between two without actually converting it into FIAT or any other currency.
Hope this clears some of your doubts OP.

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In the crypto trading sphere, ETH/BTC ratio are the most trading ratio use by crypto trader because it an act of playing safe through the 2 most supported crypto in the market which at some point there trend determine the market momentum.
Another purpose of the ETH/BTC ratio is that it's allow traders to take advantage of change in price of ETH and BTC whenever they are not correlated with each other.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on September 19, 2022, 06:19:52 AM

Quote from: theskillzdatklls on September 19, 2022, 05:16:12 AM

They are the only two cryptocurrencies that have any real meaning out there. Anything else is just noise, and I'm discounting stablecoins.

I totally disagree with you that those are the only two meaningful tokens there are in this space. Come to think of it, some of these Bitcoin and Eth offshoots, have made the market more competitive and allowed investors opportunities of choice. So, they aren't just noise or utterly not useful. I believe in "the more the merrier concept" and ordinarily like more people coming into this game.

I'm not against other cryptocurrencies. You missed my point or I didn't state it correctly. But they objectively don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things presently. BTC/ETH are barely a blip on the financial radar. What significance do you think some sub 10B has on the greater economy?

And also, personally, I think the most likely future, say 20 years from now, has multiple winners. Perhaps 5 or even more cryptocurrencies with their own unique functions similar to the modern economy. But for now, there are only two likely winners. That being BTC/ETH. Any other crypto that you could name is probably under 5% to succeed in the long run.

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Quote from: theskillzdatklls on September 19, 2022, 05:16:12 AM

They are the only two cryptocurrencies that have any real meaning out there. Anything else is just noise, and I'm discounting stablecoins.

I totally disagree with you that those are the only two meaningful tokens there are in this space. Come to think of it, some of these Bitcoin and Eth offshoots, have made the market more competitive and allowed investors opportunities of choice. So, they aren't just noise or utterly not useful. I believe in "the more the merrier concept" and ordinarily like more people coming into this game.

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I've always found this ratio to be very meaningful. They are the only two cryptocurrencies that have any real meaning out there. Anything else is just noise, and I'm discounting stablecoins.

ETH pumps relative to BTC during any moments in demand that can be seen with the ebb and flow of the ICO market, the NFT market and anything else that has or will happen. It's probably one of the most reliable indicators to it's present level of technology and use of the Ethereum network.

It makes a lot of sense too for people that don't price things in fiat currencies any more. If your goal is to own the most, say, Bitcoin, irrespective of $USD price, you may own more or less Bitcoin depending on Ethereum that you hold.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

Bitcoin and Ethereum are the 2 major currencies in crypto that’s why many traders are paying importance only to this 2 coin during bear market when they want to trade. The ratio is just a reference of crypto traders that don’t want to base there holdings on fiat and stocking there holdings in crypto unit only.

Don’t get confused with this pair if you don’t care to view your holdings in crypto quantity than fiat. I still preferred fiat for a more stable reference.

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Quote from: a298b112 on September 19, 2022, 02:34:12 AM

So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

Traders make profit from comparing two trading pairs. The difference in their price ratio determine if the will be in profit or loss. In layman's term it is a way to decide if they will buy the pair, sell it or avoid trading those pairs. Just like the BTC/ETH pairs when the one can predict BTC could go long against ETH and if their prediction goes right the take some profit else the record their loss.

Remember the bigger coin comes first when comparing the ratio. The bigger coin serves as the base while the other the quote coin

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It is commonly just used by traders to trade bitcoin and ether directly without converting one first to a stable coin. Some traders also like to go for ETHBTC margin trading as I can see the pair on margin account on the exchanges I am using. But for people to trade unstable coins for profit like this using margin ratio, I do not have any idea of the reason they are going for it. As for me, i prefer going for unstable coins paired with stable coins, like BTCUSDT.

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So I saw some people discussing ETH/BTC ratio and I don't understand why this is important. (Or any other ratio where two coins are compared. ) So what does it tell you? Why some people look at it.

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