Topic: ethereum overbought, overvalued, peoples obsession and why waves is far better (Read 309 times)

I like waves and got some way back when . Only have a little and think it will do great next year, but it will not do better than ETH,IMO

To each his own. There is a lot of people that dislike waves as well.

Waves is a nice choice but with not that much demand for it, there is no need for the competition.

I think it is because people thinking that the ethereum is the best coin after bitcoin and they are hoping ethereum will give the big profit in the long term. but they need to spend more fees to send the ethereum from one exchange to another exchange. for waves, I agree that waves have a big chance to bigger like ethereum and waves need more time to grow. but I see that waves is a good project and until now the dev is really serious about the project and works hard to maintain the project. so both ethereum and waves is another long term investment for us.

ok for now i only understand that smart contracts are programmed computerprotocoll overviewd agreements, meaning the computer tells someone as soon a part of the contract is not met,

so if i had an agreement with you that i pay you 1 btc today, and you pay me back 0.1 bitcoin back every month,

the smart contract observes the process and tells me and you when something is broken?

wow great that means a smart contract is some form of helper that tells me when somone doesnt meet his obligations,

well we can observe enough protocolised software for contracts like this, i bet this kind of service will exist on all plattforms and on countless apps, on all mobile phones then,

no idea why we need this ethereum fixation

in the practical reality contracts cant that easily be defined as those ethereum freaks think, contract fullfilments are very though to interpret, and furthermore, there is also the case of not fullfillment, there is also interpretation needed which is quite thought,

this term "smart" and "contract" is completely misguiding, its just a computer protocoll that observers transerfers and checks weather they are as they are planned,

but its useless when it comes to contracting the construction of a building, because the norms and regulations are very though, and when you dont get a contracted company or if you have luck you get one only under tought limitations, they simply can tell you that "higher powers" have caused them not to be able to fullfill.

i am sceptical about this topic and it should be called "smart contracts" at all

regards

Gas is paid for in ETH and is used really as a deception so that anyone using ETH to host a alt-coin will have trouble
understanding the billing system for the new token

it's based on resources used in contracts (These are not .pdf files like you said they were)

if you use ETH to host your shitcoin inside a "Smart (My ass) contract" then instead of saying it costs $0.01 to store a number (int32) for the coin amount
in the block chain they say it will cost 21.01 gas but later the price of gas is increased so instead of paying $0.01 it goes up to $0.55

So who can understand 1 ETH = $700 and gas is 0.00002000 and it costs 21.01 to just store a number and
this is by design but ETH offers something, hosting beans in a block-chain however your Waves and BTC don't
really offer anything in return apart from being a store for Hen's teeth but one is fast and cheap for sending them
(For now) and the other is expensive and slow.

All three are crap because they use a block-chain and therefore none of them will scale

people are getting crazy....

are you serious? you want to have ethereum as the worlds only blockchain encription plattform?


i see it completely different,

why should the gas be most important? i think its better if the enterpreneurs behind those currencies are important, and the encription services and the gas for it just marginal and easily exchangable,

if you would win it means, not that productive enterpreneurial behavior is beeing rewarded, that boosts the worlds economic output,

but that stupid market attention, and "gas" for transaction of one established plattform is significant.

regards

I stopped reading at the point quoted. NO. You are spreading FUD. It would not take 3 hours to send Ethereum and with low fees now you could even send for less than $0.1 USD. Granted, that is still more than what you claim waves can do, the big difference is that Ethereum is here and has mass adoption. If waves can't even spend some money on marketing so that the world knows about it what makes you think i will believe in them at all?

My opinion is that Ethereum is here and now. No use reinventing the wheel with waves.

But you said ETH took ages when it only took seconds for me and you think that a contract is a .pdf document so
i am still waiting for my kisses from you, cough up

All these block-chain systems work fast when not under load or the database is empty but they will not scale

Yes well said mate

The bloody coin I want sold out in 20 second and even if I got some it would not start to pay off for two years
so yes, the bankers are throwing us bones but being a developer I see things the arcade game players would
know nothing about.

i am not marketing for them i am just telling in this forum what i observe, i use currently both ethereum and waves,

Yes, so you want me to put some coins in this slot machine just so you can get paid out on the IOU it owes you.

Tell me what makes this slot machine look better then the one next door apart from it does PoS and not
PoW but does not do contracts like ETH

No transaction fees ever maybe or is this one a special one that sell holiday vouchers at discount prices or something

Nah, and here's a tip for the future.


Pitch the benefits and great features of your shilled coin without resorting to attacking another. That's the sign of an actual confident program and marketing team; as well as confident investors. Any time 90% of your pitch is "Fuck THAT coin, leave THAT coin and come to THIS coin over here" you look like a fool trying to ride someone else's momentum. Or basically, a "Me too" coin.

So long as you stick to that approach you will always be the stepchild instead of the star.

Well, waves might just compete with Ethereum and become an equal rival if it keeps up like this,
maybe by end of 2018 waves will overcome ETH who knows

then its a form of fixation,

because they are more efficient alternatives.

waves is good coin and open service same with ETH , token service
but all dev and investor not interest use waves platform

not obesession, because market interest use ETH platform

The fact there is no a lot of txpending in the network, There should a proof for this and OP should have tried to provide it.

OP can you give me your transaction hash?
That doesn't make sense at all.
Look at this one how the transaction with only 21 gwei or standard fees gets confirmed just in seconds. https://etherscan.io/tx/0x86cf00c60a7e7f8319985b8c39537f93b94a96439ba599c097e46cf3586da316
The waves fan hates ether just a usual thing lol.

Now dont get me wrong, I love ethereum for it's core technology and has been using it for about a year now. Most of my fund is in eth base asset.

Recently a friend of mine is about to launch his ICO but had to abort release using ERC20 token due to bad traffic and jump onto Waves. (goodjob kitties huh). Despite having to loose smart contract autofunction + sided 1 of his co-founder to do the manual token transfer, they might have gained from economic side through saving and wider choice currency on waves wallet.

The -ve on ethereum effect was unrealistic that over marginal network coverage area, I couldn't connect to MetaMask main ethereum network for hours sometime. This did not happened before (2nd week Dec onwards was a frustrating period for me).

Unless there is something done to improve speed over ethereum network, we would see more migration is acceptable by the public at large. Adding to the torment - there are few more digital pets are about to launch as well.  

oy, don't tar me with the "Block-Chain" madness because i keep saying it's BS and won't scale
because i know how to program and we have this thing called "hierarchical" and that does not
make it centralized and therefore under the control of the government or big brother.

Transactions per second
BTC=7
ETH=15
IOTA =100 (Not block-chain but still too slow)
VISA=25,000

No sir, don't you go mixing me up with them or any of the PoW academic BS they are pedaling

"Waves uses trusted gateways to issue blockchain tokens"

oh look, move in right direction, coordinators, nothing wrong with that and " proof-of-stake "
because nothing, but nothing can be worse that PoW but BTC was fast when it only had 10gb of
data on test-coin but it does not scale when volume or size get bigger, it's not hard to see.

waves decentralised exchange,

ethereum not safe anymore?

wow thats new to me

regards

I think the transaction fees are related to the traffic on the exchange. there so many etherium based contracts so I can understand the higher fees but it is not even safe any more I think because of the kitties and hackers. what is name of the waves based exchange?