Organic is bad example and we already know what happened with Sri Lanka so there is no question of arguing over it. The whole nation suffered from it and now they are in catastrophic situation so far. If countries from EU starts to do this then dam, they are doomed for sure. EU is not that much flourished for crops (versatile) and they also depend on imports and exports trades around the globe.
In short if they go for organic then they won’t accept imports which are grown using chemical fertilisers. This means they other countries will need to contribute their lands for organic farming (if they wish to export to EU). That would be one messed up situation.
Topic: EU suggests we should all go eco and sing kumbaya (Read 135 times)
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I think the one who is reacting is you Darker45, lol How can you be so sure that there will be no Third World War?Have you not seen the plight of the people of Ukraine? Putin's madness, do not see the aggression?
Putin's aggression against a country much smaller and weaker than Russia could lead to a war of attrition that would stop World War III.
Duke!
You're badly out of context, sir. I didn't say I'm sure that there will be no third world war. On the contrary, I'm sure that there will be a third world war. I even think I'm still alive by the time it happens.
I've seen Putin's madness, although not in real life. I've seen the mass graves. I've seen newly-born children taken out of a bombed hospital. I've seen an old man shot dead when he went out to buy potatoes. I've seen the car with the driver inside intentionally ran over by a tank. I've seen destroyed homes, schools, churches, and others. And I've also seen the apathy of other powerful countries.
But I don't think the world would go to war because of organic farming.
Organic farming is always good and more people have moved to it. This can be enriched through education, from the very beginning students need to be taught about Self reliance on meeting their needs. When one can fulfill his needs on his own automatically the production can be lowered. However this needs to be executed after a big research and opinion from the common people.
Already we've got a failure and the country is experiencing its hard days. In Sri Lanka, Organic Farming Went Catastrophically Wrong
Already we've got a failure and the country is experiencing its hard days. In Sri Lanka, Organic Farming Went Catastrophically Wrong
I think, if one country will go to organic farming. They should not totally leave their traditional farming methods or the method that they previously used to implement in their farming. Because they don't know yet the drawbacks of going into organic faming. The benefits are good but can it sustain the whole nation? So right now, they should supplement it with the farming that they used before. There's no rush anyway. They can simultaneously do the organic farming as well as other farming techniques.
Organic farming is always good and more people have moved to it. This can be enriched through education, from the very beginning students need to be taught about Self reliance on meeting their needs. When one can fulfill his needs on his own automatically the production can be lowered. However this needs to be executed after a big research and opinion from the common people.
Already we've got a failure and the country is experiencing its hard days. In Sri Lanka, Organic Farming Went Catastrophically Wrong
Already we've got a failure and the country is experiencing its hard days. In Sri Lanka, Organic Farming Went Catastrophically Wrong
Don't react too much. Don't show your naïveté by emotionally reacting too much to the words of leaders. You're probably not born yesterday. Words are cheap. Don't worry, there'll never be a third world war simply because leaders are preaching better food. If you believe that healthy food is a priority more than food production in general, you're naïve. Organic farming, bycatch-free fish products, free-roaming livestock farming, human and humane farming and slaughter practices, and the like are more words than practice. Take them with a pinch of salt.
I think the one who is reacting is you Darker45, lol How can you be so sure that there will be no Third World War?
Have you not seen the plight of the people of Ukraine? Putin's madness, do not see the aggression?
Putin's aggression against a country much smaller and weaker than Russia could lead to a war of attrition that would stop World War III.
Duke!
Don't react too much. Don't show your naïveté by emotionally reacting too much to the words of leaders. You're probably not born yesterday. Words are cheap. Don't worry, there'll never be a third world war simply because leaders are preaching better food. If you believe that healthy food is a priority more than food production in general, you're naïve. Organic farming, bycatch-free fish products, free-roaming livestock farming, human and humane farming and slaughter practices, and the like are more words than practice. Take them with a pinch of salt.
Its too early to say there will be WW3 all because of this shit. Whats sing kumbaya? Maybe he really needs to provide recent link of this news.
Hunger however ignites social discontent and revolution against the government and the government will have to act or there will be anarchy. One solution that they'd do is invade a country. Putin seem to have done it when their waters are slowly taken from them. The dam in Ukraine was deliberately created to choke Russia of water supply.
The doomsayer like this channel for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJIz7bh3kE is making it a lot scary than OP.
Well, hunger could spark a war, yes, but the urge to go organic farming definitely won't cause hunger, unless inorganic farming would be criminalized, which is impossible to happen. So this is just OP's too much imagination of what's been preached by certain leaders.
We all love the environment. We all love healthy food. We are all supporting the best ways and practices of growing food. But all these are not as important as food itself.
This is actually not bothersome at all. Perhaps we will begin to worry when spams and chips and sausages and hotdogs and fast food chains are declared illegal.
One hectar of land has to feed around six people ... with organic fertilizers you can't do that
There are cases of people growing 71 pounds of potatos by accident:
71 Pounds Of Potatoes By ACCIDENT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs1lKDvyBDY
I'm not certain how easy or difficult it would be to grow food for 6 people on 1 hectare of land, which is approximately 2.4 acres. I've never tried it.
Organic fertilizers have feedstock, production and transportation restrictions in contrast to chemical fertilizer.
The amount of cow manure that can be generated is restricted by the amount of grass and cows on hand. Transportation issues. While chemical fertilizers have no limits on production.
Organic fertilizer production could be scaled upward but it would take time.
There are already many transitioning to off grid permaculture living. To be effective, it could require people moving to rural areas where they have more space and land. Maybe the state could donate land to be developed into farmland on a volunteer basis. With sponsors pitching in to provide equipment and other necessities.
Buying and consuming food that is cultivated by using organic or artificial fertilizers should be a personal choice.
You want to eat healthy and you are ready to pay a higher price-choose bio food,that has been produced via organic fertilizers.
You don't have a big budget and you don't care what you eat-then choose cheaper food,produced via artificial fertilizers.
The EU isn't going to completely ban artificial fertilizers,in favor of the bio food industry.
The EU bureaucrats might be dump and corrupted,but they aren't completely insane.
You want to eat healthy and you are ready to pay a higher price-choose bio food,that has been produced via organic fertilizers.
You don't have a big budget and you don't care what you eat-then choose cheaper food,produced via artificial fertilizers.
The EU isn't going to completely ban artificial fertilizers,in favor of the bio food industry.
The EU bureaucrats might be dump and corrupted,but they aren't completely insane.
Organic fertilizer is better, there are changes in plants that artificial fertilizers are used for, I have noticed this in some many items I have bought and I know the world is changing. Artificial fertilizer can make crops to grower better and feed more people but I can not go for such crops if known, I will prefer the ones grown on normal soil without fertilizer or alternatively just go for the ones grown by using organic fertilizers to fertilize the soil.
WW3 is coming ...and i hope i am wrong !
About world war 3, let us all wish the Ukraine war did not lead to world war 3 because the kind of weaponry possessed in the world now, especially the nuclear weapons is capable of destroying half of the world if not more.
Switching to organic farming is generally the right decision and I approve of it. However, everything needs moderation and a reasonable approach. Large agricultural areas require a lot of effort to ensure that fertilizers are only organic. However, for example, sowing green manure in early spring and autumn after harvesting the main crop will almost completely solve the problem of soil fertilization. Small farms may well switch to organic fertilizer. In some cases, chemical fertilizers can also be added to the soil. I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as you don't apply too much chemical fertilizer.
Recently, there has been an opposite propaganda that it is advisable to add various chemical compounds to natural products in order to reduce the price of products. This justifies the addition of relatively harmful substances to foods. This cannot be allowed.
Recently, there has been an opposite propaganda that it is advisable to add various chemical compounds to natural products in order to reduce the price of products. This justifies the addition of relatively harmful substances to foods. This cannot be allowed.
Don't react too much. Don't show your naïveté by emotionally reacting too much to the words of leaders. You're probably not born yesterday. Words are cheap. Don't worry, there'll never be a third world war simply because leaders are preaching better food. If you believe that healthy food is a priority more than food production in general, you're naïve. Organic farming, bycatch-free fish products, free-roaming livestock farming, human and humane farming and slaughter practices, and the like are more words than practice. Take them with a pinch of salt.
This, it is common knowledge to not trust in the words of political leaders as they are always lying just to try to gain the sympathy of most voters, while being friendly to the environment is necessary at the same time there are limits to what it can be achieved, and food production is one of those industries in which those limits are very real, and any attempt to actually implement something like this will be immediately reflected in the price of food, and this is simply something intolerable for most people, especially the poor, which will force politicians to back down from those policies. 
I like to eat organic products apart from following a keto/carnivore diet, mainly because I think it's healthier, but I recognize that the world is not ready to move on to what I do in a short period of time.
The OP is right, although I don't like the way he expresses it.. Mass production is what has made 8 billion people live in the world today, and that there is less and less hunger in the world and that is based on intensive agriculture with large extensions of monocultures and chemical fertilizers and pesticides.
I hope that the shift is made little by little. As countries become richer, the population tends to grow less and even decrease. Gradually, with improved techniques, I believe that more and more crops will be grown ecologically, but also because of an increase in demand and not so much because of political will.
The OP is right, although I don't like the way he expresses it.. Mass production is what has made 8 billion people live in the world today, and that there is less and less hunger in the world and that is based on intensive agriculture with large extensions of monocultures and chemical fertilizers and pesticides.
I hope that the shift is made little by little. As countries become richer, the population tends to grow less and even decrease. Gradually, with improved techniques, I believe that more and more crops will be grown ecologically, but also because of an increase in demand and not so much because of political will.
This is European Union stupid suggest: "we should all go eco and sing kumbaya"
Europe should stop this kind of bullshit... they are too naive... do they think switching to eco doesn't cost that much?
Don't react too much. Don't show your naïveté by emotionally reacting too much to the words of leaders. You're probably not born yesterday. Words are cheap. Don't worry, there'll never be a third world war simply because leaders are preaching better food. If you believe that healthy food is a priority more than food production in general, you're naïve. Organic farming, bycatch-free fish products, free-roaming livestock farming, human and humane farming and slaughter practices, and the like are more words than practice. Take them with a pinch of salt.
Its too early to say there will be WW3 all because of this shit. Whats sing kumbaya? Maybe he really needs to provide recent link of this news.
Hunger however ignites social discontent and revolution against the government and the government will have to act or there will be anarchy. One solution that they'd do is invade a country. Putin seem to have done it when their waters are slowly taken from them. The dam in Ukraine was deliberately created to choke Russia of water supply.
The doomsayer like this channel for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJIz7bh3kE is making it a lot scary than OP.
Don't react too much. Don't show your naïveté by emotionally reacting too much to the words of leaders. You're probably not born yesterday. Words are cheap. Don't worry, there'll never be a third world war simply because leaders are preaching better food. If you believe that healthy food is a priority more than food production in general, you're naïve. Organic farming, bycatch-free fish products, free-roaming livestock farming, human and humane farming and slaughter practices, and the like are more words than practice. Take them with a pinch of salt.
This is European Union stupid suggest: "we should all go eco and sing kumbaya"
Here is the problem:
Organic fertilizer is good if you just need quality and not quantity.
Organic fertilizers are not potent enough to do what chemical fertilizers do. Chemical fertilizer are more concentrated ...they got the kick sort of speaking to give you big crops.
If we all move to organic fertilizers, half of the world population will die of hunger.
One hectar of land has to feed around six people ... with organic fertilizers you can't do that
Eco farming will feed less... and that means war as i will not let my kids and family starve so EU birocrats eat organic.
Organic works if we have enough land to feed all ...but we don't that's the problem and that's why they want to exterminate us ( the poor )
WW3 is coming ...and i hope i am wrong !
Here is the problem:
Organic fertilizer is good if you just need quality and not quantity.
Organic fertilizers are not potent enough to do what chemical fertilizers do. Chemical fertilizer are more concentrated ...they got the kick sort of speaking to give you big crops.
If we all move to organic fertilizers, half of the world population will die of hunger.
One hectar of land has to feed around six people ... with organic fertilizers you can't do that
Eco farming will feed less... and that means war as i will not let my kids and family starve so EU birocrats eat organic.
Organic works if we have enough land to feed all ...but we don't that's the problem and that's why they want to exterminate us ( the poor )
WW3 is coming ...and i hope i am wrong !
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