To that end, if BADecker ever quotes something Ukraine, Nato countries, and mainstream media says, it's mostly just to show that they are contradictory sources, and can't be believed without personal, on-location investigation.
Topic: Evidence In Nord Stream Sabotage Doesn't Point To Russia: Washington Post (Read 95 times)
December 23, 2022, 04:01:50 PM
The not so clear point is, that since it was not Russia, and yet Russia was originally blamed by much of the mainstream media, by Zelensky(?), and by many Nato countries... the point is, how can we trust anything Ukraine, Nato countries, and mainstream media says?
To that end, if BADecker ever quotes something Ukraine, Nato countries, and mainstream media says, it's mostly just to show that they are contradictory sources, and can't be believed without personal, on-location investigation.
To that end, if BADecker ever quotes something Ukraine, Nato countries, and mainstream media says, it's mostly just to show that they are contradictory sources, and can't be believed without personal, on-location investigation.
December 23, 2022, 02:24:21 PM
Wow! After most of us knew that Russia was not to blame, finally the Washington Post is owning up to its mistakes. That's noble of them. But the point is, they are continuing to jump to false conclusions all over the place... as is the rest of main-stream media in the US.
Evidence In Nord Stream Sabotage Doesn't Point To Russia: Washington Post
Evidence In Nord Stream Sabotage Doesn't Point To Russia: Washington Post
Quote from: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/evidence-nord-stream-sabotage-doesnt-point-russia-washington-post
A surprising admission has come in a Washington Post report Wednesday morning following a months-long investigation into the Sept. 26 Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipeline sabotage attacks. While there remains consensus that the explosions were indeed the result of a deliberate act of sabotage, numerous officials in the West now say the evidence is not pointing to Russia.
WaPo begins by recounting the frenzied rush to immediately blame Moscow, which began within a mere hours into the massive gas leaks into the Baltic Sea:
After explosions in late September severely damaged undersea pipelines built to carry natural gas from Russia to Europe, world leaders quickly blamed Moscow for a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage. With winter approaching, it appeared the Kremlin intended to strangle the flow of energy to millions across the continent, an act of "blackmail," some leaders said, designed to threaten countries into withdrawing their financial and military support for Ukraine.
And then comes this admission: "But now, after months of investigation, numerous officials privately say that Russia may not be to blame after all for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines."
The Post issued the rare about-face of accusations after interviewing a total of 23 diplomatic and intelligence officials in nine countries who have been privy to the international investigation into the sabotage incident which has threatened European energy supplies going into winter.
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WaPo begins by recounting the frenzied rush to immediately blame Moscow, which began within a mere hours into the massive gas leaks into the Baltic Sea:
After explosions in late September severely damaged undersea pipelines built to carry natural gas from Russia to Europe, world leaders quickly blamed Moscow for a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage. With winter approaching, it appeared the Kremlin intended to strangle the flow of energy to millions across the continent, an act of "blackmail," some leaders said, designed to threaten countries into withdrawing their financial and military support for Ukraine.
And then comes this admission: "But now, after months of investigation, numerous officials privately say that Russia may not be to blame after all for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines."
The Post issued the rare about-face of accusations after interviewing a total of 23 diplomatic and intelligence officials in nine countries who have been privy to the international investigation into the sabotage incident which has threatened European energy supplies going into winter.
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"That's weird, BADecker just sourced a legitimate source of journalism..." I thought, before opening thread and seeing the zerohedge link.
December 23, 2022, 01:41:50 AM
It always made little sense that Russia would have been behind the attack. Russia would want to threaten to turn off its pipeline, but have the ability to turn it back on. The attack effectively removed Russia’s ability to demand the withdrawal of support for Ukraine.
December 22, 2022, 10:52:30 PM
Obviously it wasn't Russia who sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline. The US was being congratulated by it just afterwards from other world leaders, they have images of US helicopters hovering over the site, Biden himself said that we would do it publicly months before it happened... I really don't like this misinformation campaign by our current US leadership. Given their push for sustainable energy though, I can see why the Biden administration wouldn't want it to get out that they're ecological terrorists that just committed one of the worst sins against our planet that mankind has ever seen.
Although an investigation into this economic sabotage is still ongoing, maybe in a few months the culprit might be unveiled. Except it is proved otherwise, but I don't think Russia is behind this attack. Russian doesn't need to destroy the pipeline to stop the transportation of gas to Europe, they could just shut down the flow of gas from Russia. This attack is a desperate move to force European nations to seek alternatives to Russian gas by all means. I think it is targeted at destabilizing the gas export of Russia now and in the future. The conclusion that Russia is behind the attack without any probe or investigation is the handiwork of the propaganda machinery of some countries.
December 22, 2022, 03:25:14 PM
This is the actual WaPo article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/21/russia-nord-stream-explosions/
Archive: https://archive.vn/1CPAl
How quick the establishment was to blame Russia with a lack of evidence was palpable. Seems like the are more interested in escalation than anyone else given their tendency to throw around accusations without actual proof. There wasn't a reason for Russia to blow up Nord Stream because if it had actually been them, then it would have prompted an aggressive international response. Which country is interested in seeing Russia wiped from the planet? Who has a motive?
Archive: https://archive.vn/1CPAl
How quick the establishment was to blame Russia with a lack of evidence was palpable. Seems like the are more interested in escalation than anyone else given their tendency to throw around accusations without actual proof. There wasn't a reason for Russia to blow up Nord Stream because if it had actually been them, then it would have prompted an aggressive international response. Which country is interested in seeing Russia wiped from the planet? Who has a motive?
December 22, 2022, 01:24:44 PM
Personally, I believe that many of the things that are happening in the world are are attempts by some extremely super-wealthy people, to take over the world more directly.
The US Constitution and laws give the US people almost direct control over government and their lives. Most of the people don't realize this, or know how to use what they have available to themselves, in US law. Canada, the UK, and Australia are similar. India is following closely behind because of its having been ruled by Britain for such a long time.
One of the major freedoms that US people have is individual gun freedom. Without this freedom, the country - and then the world - could be made to collapse easily. So, this and other freedoms are what the super-wealthy people are fighting against.
Everything that is being done in the Ukraine war and other areas around the world, are designed to collapse people freedom. It wouldn't be that the people wouldn't have reasonable lives without freedom. But they would always be on call to give their time and talents to the super-wealthy, by force if necessary.
There is one basic thing that the super-wealthy are after. It's everlasting life for themselves, along with the control. They want to live, and to live in a healthy way, for a long time... maybe a thousand years, if possible. But the longer they can live in pure health, the more they will desire for themselves.
We don't count, individually. We count only for the ability we have to give them what they desire.
The US Constitution and laws give the US people almost direct control over government and their lives. Most of the people don't realize this, or know how to use what they have available to themselves, in US law. Canada, the UK, and Australia are similar. India is following closely behind because of its having been ruled by Britain for such a long time.
One of the major freedoms that US people have is individual gun freedom. Without this freedom, the country - and then the world - could be made to collapse easily. So, this and other freedoms are what the super-wealthy people are fighting against.
Everything that is being done in the Ukraine war and other areas around the world, are designed to collapse people freedom. It wouldn't be that the people wouldn't have reasonable lives without freedom. But they would always be on call to give their time and talents to the super-wealthy, by force if necessary.
There is one basic thing that the super-wealthy are after. It's everlasting life for themselves, along with the control. They want to live, and to live in a healthy way, for a long time... maybe a thousand years, if possible. But the longer they can live in pure health, the more they will desire for themselves.
We don't count, individually. We count only for the ability we have to give them what they desire.
December 22, 2022, 12:46:30 PM
Obviously it wasn't Russia who sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline. The US was being congratulated by it just afterwards from other world leaders, they have images of US helicopters hovering over the site, Biden himself said that we would do it publicly months before it happened... I really don't like this misinformation campaign by our current US leadership. Given their push for sustainable energy though, I can see why the Biden administration wouldn't want it to get out that they're actually ecological terrorists that just committed one of the worst sins against our planet that mankind has ever seen.
December 22, 2022, 11:38:57 AM
Wow! After most of us knew that Russia was not to blame, finally the Washington Post is owning up to its mistakes. That's noble of them. But the point is, they are continuing to jump to false conclusions all over the place... as is the rest of main-stream media in the US.
Evidence In Nord Stream Sabotage Doesn't Point To Russia: Washington Post
Evidence In Nord Stream Sabotage Doesn't Point To Russia: Washington Post
Quote from: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/evidence-nord-stream-sabotage-doesnt-point-russia-washington-post
A surprising admission has come in a Washington Post report Wednesday morning following a months-long investigation into the Sept. 26 Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipeline sabotage attacks. While there remains consensus that the explosions were indeed the result of a deliberate act of sabotage, numerous officials in the West now say the evidence is not pointing to Russia.
WaPo begins by recounting the frenzied rush to immediately blame Moscow, which began within a mere hours into the massive gas leaks into the Baltic Sea:
After explosions in late September severely damaged undersea pipelines built to carry natural gas from Russia to Europe, world leaders quickly blamed Moscow for a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage. With winter approaching, it appeared the Kremlin intended to strangle the flow of energy to millions across the continent, an act of "blackmail," some leaders said, designed to threaten countries into withdrawing their financial and military support for Ukraine.
And then comes this admission: "But now, after months of investigation, numerous officials privately say that Russia may not be to blame after all for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines."
The Post issued the rare about-face of accusations after interviewing a total of 23 diplomatic and intelligence officials in nine countries who have been privy to the international investigation into the sabotage incident which has threatened European energy supplies going into winter.
...
WaPo begins by recounting the frenzied rush to immediately blame Moscow, which began within a mere hours into the massive gas leaks into the Baltic Sea:
After explosions in late September severely damaged undersea pipelines built to carry natural gas from Russia to Europe, world leaders quickly blamed Moscow for a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage. With winter approaching, it appeared the Kremlin intended to strangle the flow of energy to millions across the continent, an act of "blackmail," some leaders said, designed to threaten countries into withdrawing their financial and military support for Ukraine.
And then comes this admission: "But now, after months of investigation, numerous officials privately say that Russia may not be to blame after all for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines."
The Post issued the rare about-face of accusations after interviewing a total of 23 diplomatic and intelligence officials in nine countries who have been privy to the international investigation into the sabotage incident which has threatened European energy supplies going into winter.
...
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