Explanations of one transaction | Bitcointalksearch.org

mocacinno

legendary

Activity: 3584

Merit: 5243

https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC

Quote from: betschemer on June 29, 2017, 02:20:46 AM

Thank you for your consultation.

Can be there another explanations on this case? Because there is no point for sender to scam me. I provide long term service so it is not one time deal like purchase of goods.
What sender could do to investiate it? Or nothing can be done at this point?

Basically, the other explanation is that he was going to send 0.1771605 ($451), but mistyped and sent 0.01771605.
The investigation is pretty simple, he knows your address, he know the transaction id, it should be fairly simple for him to notice he mistyped and sent insufficient funds, create a new transaction with sufficient outputs that can be spent by you and broadcast said transaction.

betschemer

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Thank you for your consultation.

Can be there another explanations on this case? Because there is no point for sender to scam me. I provide long term service so it is not one time deal like purchase of goods.
What sender could do to investiate it? Or nothing can be done at this point?

mocacinno

legendary

Activity: 3584

Merit: 5243

https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC

Quote from: betschemer on June 29, 2017, 02:03:52 AM

I gave him my wallet: 1CLhAYLHooaWBje969FoPytmyyHtMBg9WT
Blockchain shows that arrived 0.01771605 BTC (Value when Received $45.09) arrived from 1JnGKPB5Mdn6dDpFFejzpSFmyebcyNL4rj

Do I need to get you someting else?

No, that's sufficient.
If your address is 1CLhAYLHooaWBje969FoPytmyyHtMBg9WT and the funding transaction is 2508f218db9663057bc863f6d986eb84fe8a96f31c61e681847c327dcfce503a, you are the proud owner of output 0, 0.01771605 BTC, worth $45.09 at the time the sender created the transaction.

If he claimed to have sent over $500, i would conclude there is a high probability you were scammed.

Since bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous, and at this point, the transaction can not be cancelled (it's confirmed and has ~60 confirmations), there are only a couple things you could do:

contact the sender, explain to him that he only sent 0.01771605 instead of the ~0.2 BTC you were expecting
don't send any physical goods, cut off any service you're providing him untill he rectifies the situation (if possible)
create a proper scam accusation. If the sender is concerned about continue doing business and/or his/her good name, he/she might rectify the situation... At very least, other people will have been warned about him/her if he/she doesn't rectify anything

betschemer

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

I gave him my wallet: 1CLhAYLHooaWBje969FoPytmyyHtMBg9WT
Blockchain shows that arrived 0.01771605 BTC (Value when Received $45.09) arrived from 1JnGKPB5Mdn6dDpFFejzpSFmyebcyNL4rj

Do I need to get you someting else?

mocacinno

legendary

Activity: 3584

Merit: 5243

https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC

Quote from: betschemer on June 29, 2017, 01:43:56 AM

Sender says he sent over 500$. I got around 50$. Blockchain writes I received around 50$. Sender claims he sent 500$ and no money came back from this transaction.

So now I am stuck in nowhere

What should I do, how i should react and which actions should I take?

Let's take a step back. Can you tell me which wallet you're using, wether or not you see transaction 2508f218db9663057bc863f6d986eb84fe8a96f31c61e681847c327dcfce503a in your wallet, and which balance (in BTC) was added to your wallet after you received transaction 2508f218db9663057bc863f6d986eb84fe8a96f31c61e681847c327dcfce503a.

If you only received 0.01771605 BTC as unspent output from this transaction, the sender has either messed up or intentionally scammed you.

Do not look at blockchain.info's block explorer. It does not matter what they say happened. They are just a visualisation tool, nothing more nothing less. When they have a bug or mess up completely, it has zero impact on your wallet. Also, try to give number in BTC instead of USD. The BTC<->USD exchange rate changes all the time. When you say you received $50 in BTC, it's a completely different value today as it will be in 2 weeks.

betschemer

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Sender says he sent over 500$. I got around 50$. Blockchain writes I received around 50$. Sender claims he sent 500$ and no money came back from this transaction.

So now I am stuck in nowhere

What should I do, how i should react and which actions should I take?

mocacinno

legendary

Activity: 3584

Merit: 5243

https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC

Quote from: betschemer on June 29, 2017, 01:32:28 AM

Sorry I am not so smart at Bitcoins and I did not get logic.
Someone has my wallet number. They sent to taht wallet 500USD. Blockchani devided this transaction into two parts. One arrived another in no idea where

Blockchain shows that I received one part of 45USD and I should be happy

?

My main questions would be the second part of payment should arrive shortly or it also a big question

?

No problem, you're just learning... But no, there's still something wrong with your logic.

Blockchain.info = just a company that analyses bitcoin's blockchain. When they mess up, it has no implication for you. They're not the ones sending BTC, they're not the ones dividing transactions, they're just a way of visualising the bitcoin network (the blockchain). The network itself will exist and work properly without blockchain.info.

I'm only guessing here, but because you said you were going to receive $500, i'm guessing address 1AWgAHXjX7fVWhsYZegMNCG3MBwzDXNMQZ belongs to your wallet. The wallet containing this address received an input of 0.18114157 BTC ($461 at the time of writing).
This unspent output can be used as an input by your wallet, hence you are payed.

The fact that you expected $500, but only received $461 is something you have to take up with the sender.

If address 1AWgAHXjX7fVWhsYZegMNCG3MBwzDXNMQZ does not belong to your wallet, you might be looking at the wrong transaction, or the sender might have decided to pay you in little tranches. Once again, you'll have to contact the sender to clear this out.

betschemer

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Sorry I am not so smart at Bitcoins and I did not get logic.
Someone has my wallet number. They sent to taht wallet 500USD. Blockchani devided this transaction into two parts. One arrived another in no idea where

Blockchain shows that I received one part of 45USD and I should be happy

?

My main questions would be the second part of payment should arrive shortly or it also a big question

?

mocacinno

legendary

Activity: 3584

Merit: 5243

https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC

Quote from: betschemer on June 29, 2017, 01:19:32 AM

Hello,

I supposed to receive 500USD.

Please check this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/2508f218db9663057bc863f6d986eb84fe8a96f31c61e681847c327dcfce503a
Estimated BTC Transacted $ 45.32

In my blockchain it shows:

Transaction Confirmed
Value when Received: $45.09

When i press to show scripts it shows that that 462.15$ is unspent? What does it mean?

The easy, new user friendly explanation is:

When you create a transaction, you use an input and you create outputs. It's impossible to use part of an input.
So in this case, one input of 0.199BTC was used, two outputs (one of 0.01771605 BTC and one of 0.18114157BTC) were generated.

Usually, a transaction with two outputs means that the person sending BTC only needed part of the input, so one of the outputs goes to the receiver, the other one goes to a change address generated by the sender's wallet.
It is impossible for blockchain.info to know wether this is true at all, and if it's true, it's impossible to know which output went to the receiver and which output went to the change address.... So what do they do: they guess Wink

In your case, they guessed wrong... They guessed the big output goes to the sender's change address, and the small one goes to the receiver.

Blockchain.info is just a private company... They are not the owner of bitcoin, nor the blockchain technology. The fact they mis-guessed has no impact whatsoever.

betschemer

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Hello,

I supposed to receive 500USD.

Please check this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/2508f218db9663057bc863f6d986eb84fe8a96f31c61e681847c327dcfce503a
Estimated BTC Transacted $ 45.32

In my blockchain it shows:

Transaction Confirmed
Value when Received: $45.09

When i press to show scripts it shows that that 462.15$ is unspent? What does it mean?

Topic: Explanations of one transaction (Read 490 times)