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LoneRangir

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Quote from: kano on October 23, 2015, 07:44:35 PM

Quote from: altcointalk14 on October 23, 2015, 03:16:08 PM

Thank you Torepia. Sorry to be so slow but I got it now, - Luck.

I just didnt think there would be that much variance. So, the difference is just antpool negative luck vs f2pool good luck.

I am sure some statisticians have figured how to switch pools and scoop good luck every day? Or not?

Luck is a measurement of the past ... I'm pretty sure no one has built a time machine that can travel forward then back again, yet.

Pool luck is mostly a measurement of the past but includes a small controllable factor of the pool performance regarding losing (or not even seeing) blocks.

The controllable factor:
Some pool pretend it doesn't exist (Eligius)
Most pools show some of it - called "Orphans"
Few pools consider all of it.

What a timely comment! Maybe Biff had a copy of the blockchain and the Almanac story was total B.S.!

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Quote from: altcointalk14 on October 23, 2015, 03:16:08 PM

Thank you Torepia. Sorry to be so slow but I got it now, - Luck.

I just didnt think there would be that much variance. So, the difference is just antpool negative luck vs f2pool good luck.

I am sure some statisticians have figured how to switch pools and scoop good luck every day? Or not?

Luck is a measurement of the past ... I'm pretty sure no one has built a time machine that can travel forward then back again, yet.

Pool luck is mostly a measurement of the past but includes a small controllable factor of the pool performance regarding losing (or not even seeing) blocks.

The controllable factor:
Some pool pretend it doesn't exist (Eligius)
Most pools show some of it - called "Orphans"
Few pools consider all of it.

torepia

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Thats where PPLNS comes in, you need to have mined on that pool when the block is found to maximize profits. And because its random, its kinda hard to do Tongue

PPS counters the pool jumpers by having a flat fee to, to make up for the bad luck.

You could spread out your hashrate on diff pools, to counter luck variance.

altcointalk14

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Thank you Torepia. Sorry to be so slow but I got it now, - Luck.

I just didnt think there would be that much variance. So, the difference is just antpool negative luck vs f2pool good luck.

I am sure some statisticians have figured how to switch pools and scoop good luck every day? Or not?

torepia

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Well this is the "luck" part of the game afaik. You can't compare pool luck over such a small period of time. Try measuring 6 months instead.

Here is some stats:

altcointalk14

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I thought I did give you the numbers. (for the past 24 hrs as of the time of original post) 35 blocks vs 24 blocks, not counting transaction fees nor the pool fees, and assuming they both had 90 PH. This is just an estimation. but for Luck, I was thought that over a 24 hr period, pools of this size would only fluctuate +/-10%

If you had 1 PH on each pool
Antpool = 1/90*24*25BTC = 6.67 BTC
F2Pool = 1/90*35*25BTC = 9.72 BTC

3.05 more BTC on F2pool or 45.7% more than antpool. If that is Luck, that had to be one 24 period out of 100,000 days.

So, looking back on Blockchain.info (I know, dont believe everything on there) I know it is not exact, but if we assume they have the same hashrate, going back exactly 3 days (72 hrs, 0 min, 0 sec) Endtime 23-Oct-2015 15:21:00

Antpool = 80 blocks
F2Pool = 95 blocks or 18.75% more than F2Pool.

I know that I estimated same hashrate, I know they are a little different but not enough to make that much difference. (hashrate would have to be antpool = 80 f2pool = 98.5 PH)

So, my original post was just asking, IF it is not luck, what is it?

torepia

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In what time-frame are we talking? It's basically luck Tongue

If you compare the PPS (since f2pool only got PPS).
F2pool = 4% fee - NMC earnings
Antpool = 2% fee

Is f2pool really more profitable? I'd like to see some numbers on that!

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I implied antpool was over stating pool hashrate, - I just wanted to clear that up, I dont believe that to be the case as people would move hashrate somewhere else.

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Why is f2pool significantly more profitable than antpool? It cant be just luck, f2pool is doing something better than antpool.

They both have around 90 PH, but last 24 hrs f2pool found 35 blocks while antpool only found 24. (The trend has been like this for a while.)

The difference would make sense if f2pool had 130 PH or if antpool was overstating their hash and was really only 62 PH. (I guess if you overstate the pool hashrate you can reduce the payout)

Thoughts anyone?

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