Topic: Facebook's privacy invasion is INSANE (Read 773 times)

Privacy was always a lie. The dollar cost to set up a Facebook account is zero. The dollar cost to use their platform is zero. This doesn't mean it's free. The cost of using Facebook is measured in personal data. They take everything they have about you, run it through increasingly sophisticated models to fill in the gaps, and then sell it. For me the scandal isn't so much that Facebook sells personal data, it's that governments permit them to do so. The trick these companies use is quite simple - they just move ahead of the legislation. They set up camp in an ungoverned space, and there might be some grumblings of public opposition, but FB, Google, Amazon and so on just sit there and wait it out until the clamour dies down and their behaviour of grabbing and selling all this data just becomes the new normal. It becomes established, it becomes accepted because these companies are largely unchallenged.

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this is where Faceborg can't win: practicality. You can get someone a Bitcoin wallet (that respects your privacy) with a couple taps and a 5 minute wait while it syncs up. The barriers to getting a Facebook account are actually pretty high, and constantly getting higher.

Same here. Not an FB user anymore for so long already. But for some, it is a means of displaying their whereabouts. Where is the privacy and security that fb is boasting to its consumers? It seems that if you are an ardent fb user and posting your pics all the time, your privacy is already gone.

It is most definitely going to get worse especially with Calibra wallet set into place. Imagine all the data they can extract from our spending history

I don't use Facebook or Twitter, and I only use Ebay as a guest. Amazon gave me a free prime account, and I do use that sometimes. This does give me a few problems in on-line trading, and I'm a bit cautious about using many of the escrow services. Sometimes I think it is better to rely on a personal evaluation of a buyer. I need to becoming more active in my domain name business, and I'm starting to offer a 10% discount for payment with Bitcoin. As a result of this, I'm considering using my trust and reputation ratings with Bitcoin Talk to instil confidence in buyers. I don't know what my account(s) are worth, but it is probably more than many of the names I'm offering for sale.

So what do you guys think? Could Bitcoin Talk be better than Facebook to check Bitcoiners reputations?

Amazon are kind of bad for this as well.
"Alexa, please listen to everything I say and then feed me crappy adverts based on my private offline conversations."

Honestly, it's everywhere.

The reason they get away with it is because it's virgin territory. They say move fast and break things - they just have to move ahead of the governments into un-legislated space. Google Maps basically photographs everything on the planet. Fine, no law to stop it. Facebook bases adverts on what they think you are thinking.  Fine, no law to stop it.

Remember the old TV footage of US astronauts planting a flag on the moon? Because they could. No Russian cosmonauts there to stop them. Same thing now with these tech companies.

They have been spying  from the start and I believe they don't just have that technology. Probably even can hear and can see thru  the use of our phones. I once discussed my plan of buying a new car and my brother and I compare brands and prices on the dinner table. Few hours later I tried going into my facebook account and some of the feeds are car sales and new models  of toyota.

I think the privacy settings are just to give the illusion that they are not tracking you. There is huge money in personal data, and what is now being called surveillance capitalism. Tracking through FB posts is only the tip of the iceberg. Anyone who carries a modern mobile phone is giving their location to these companies 24 hours a day, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. All browsing history is tracked. A major aim with FB's new Libra coin is I'm sure to suck up data on purchase history, too.

So they get all this data, which they sell on to third parties, advertisers and spam mailers, for profit. But it's more far-reaching than that, they use all this data to build up a profile of your personality, your interests, your web of personal relationships, your preferences and biases... the aim being an ever more accurate digital representation of you, in order to better predict your future behaviour. FB and Google seem to be the worst two offenders, but it is spreading. Advertisers pay a lot of money for this information.

It doesn't stop there, either. FB is particularly egregious in regard to using this information to modify your behaviour, most notably in curated newsfeeds to channel you into voting for a certain party. Google do this as well - take Pokemon Go, by "Niantic", which was spun out of Google - a restaurant only needs to pay a few dollars to lure a rare Pokemon to their establishment and they will increase foot traffic and sales dramatically. So this thing is dressed as a game, but is quite clearly a means to modify consumer behaviour.

I'm in the EU, and thanks to GDPR legislation, we now have a better idea of what is happening, even if we can't stop it. Every website now gives you a cookie warning, and if you delve into the permissions you're presented with an endless labyrinth of client companies who then sell the data to their clients, etc, etc. But people just click 'ok' to accept everything. Even I do it sometimes, it's everywhere, it wears you down. You can use VPNs and ad-blockers and everything else, but the attack is just relentless and omnipresent.

There's a ton of information out there once you start looking. Take this article from 5 years ago - imagine how much the tech has improved since then!
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds

Sorry, I'll stop ranting now. Don't trust privacy settings!

A bit off topic, but facial recognition isn't the worst privacy invasion out there.

https://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=gait

The scary part is, like the plagibot working on this forum, the Chinese can now go back to all previous bank robberies, protests, etc and identify you as a criminal years after the fact, before you paid attention to how you walk, or put a rock in your shoe.  :/

I think Facebook has been thinking about the security of the privacy of the account that we have even though we actually feel spied on by Facebook, but we also have to remain vigilant by not posting things that are very private

Enough of the problems, here's a solution:


Run your own server

• social networks
• email
• online shopping (i.e. open bazaar)
• file repo (be your own dropbox)
• ...and of course, Bitcoin

It's not the easiest thing ever, but you only have to learn it once.

Then you can have all that internet-y stuff, and the facebook zombies will slowly begin to realise that they're the new sub-class of human (instead of facebook zombies thinking you're a weirdo)

Probably that's one of the negative effects of the latest technology. We can't even find enough privacy because most of our personal information even our appearance could be tracked by apps like Facebook. However, we could do something to get rid of it. There are privacy settings that we just have to check.

The main reason why I think facebook introduced this feature is to reduce the number of scammers impersonating people.
I've heard of internet fraudsters downloading and using people's pictures to scam people. This kinda feature will alert the real owner of the picture once his/her photo is uploaded on facebook.
To enable/disable this feature using facebook app, go to settings>face recognition

Happened to me with programing. I'm not a programmer, not interested on it, and I understand zero about it, but I was talking with a friend of mine (he is a programmer) about programming Ruby and Python, on Discord. He was explaining me what he was doing in his job, just a friend talking about "what are you doing now, man"
2 days later, the ads on my Facebook (luckily, not Google) were "do you want to learn programming? Course of blahblah Python" .

The worst part of all is, I don't even spoke in english when I was talking with my friend.

That's not the end of the story, unless that bit of information is going to be deleted from their database (probably never going to happen).

if you don't care much about your privacy then that may not seem like a problem, but for someone who does , it's really a concerning issue.

I personally want to you use Facebook to run my business, chat with friends and family who are overseas, see some memes here and there,I do not even bother with my pictures being seen on Facebook, but i surely have a problem with them knowing my exact location when i have not permitted it.

Whoa dude.. That's really spooky! How could they? What's the method used? There must be an explanation to how they knew these things about you 🤔

Well, you ain't seen nothing yet. Pretty sure it is going to get even worst: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkgmdDqqF8 

I see many parents posting pictures of their newborns on facebook and children in general. Opening the door and inviting trouble into your home. The least we can do is protect our children until they are old enough to make their own decisions. They don't understand for what sick purposes their pictures can be used, any I am not talking about targeted advertising. Our children should be kept away from social media for as long as possible.

That's our technology nowadays, and its getting more advance. Its too late now for me to be more secured since I've already using Facebook ever since but I'm still trying to keep it on private no matter what happen. I tried to be inactive and I don't post any photos there ever since I've enter in this market. Its pretty amazing how they can easily detect the person on that photos and yet the security of their system is still questionable until now.

I've also activated their function where you can disable your friends from tagging you, I think this can also help for your security so no one can post on your timeline without your permission.

I think Facebook has used technology that can able to match the face and detect identity, even if I posted a photo with my friends it is auto-tagged to them even ain't tagging them. How weird isn't it?
Well, here's my conclusion. The photo went to the Photo Review and did not tag you automatically without your notice and approval. The reason why the face technology was invented is to give you convenience not to feel unsecured.

Some people want to save their moments and find their pictures online which is posted by someone not connected to them. Facebook wanted to help people to navigate their concerns and put it in a personal review center and let the people accept what should be posted or not. Simple click the button "ignore or not me" and that's the end of the story.

If it's not one thing it's another with Facebook. Mark truly doesn't grasp what privacy is nor does he care. This is a great article showing the actions he's made towards 'privacy' https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2019/03/20/is-this-the-proof-that-facebooks-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-wants-no-privacy/#2a55632f436b

Despite having  these advanced technologies, Facebook was used to livestream the killing of nearly 50 innocent people, the livestream went for about 30 mins without them doing anything about it.strange world we live in.

Yep, I Like your movement that you don't have Facebook and Twitter account, I agree with you for some think, I think to facebook and twitter only wast a lot of time and very bad effect our personal life, In some cases, it is such that if someone drinks drugs, then Facebook uses the same way.

It is actually much more sinister than most are aware of:

I dont subscribe to many of their videos but these two are dead on:
Govgle and farcebook along with other tech giants now use and buy others data as well as the GOV.

THIS IS HOW GOOGLE IS SPYING ON EVERYTHING YOU DO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ9QcrsoFrA
GOOGLE VS DUCKDUCKGO - YOU SHOULD CHANGE!! MANIPULATION AND CENSORSHIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3dYsGSs3dw


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Wow, it's scary. I haven't experienced anything similar because I haven't uploaded any of my photos to Facebook. I can't say that I'm very concerned about my privacy, but after reading your story I think that Facebook went way to far. If you have installed Facebook, Twitter and similar apps on your smartphone, I recommend to check permissions that you gave to these apps. For example I don't allow Facebook to access my camera, mic, location, contacts and calendar. It's always problem of social networks that people give all information about themselves with easy hand.
I'm not sure how our privacy and stupid burglar are related? I'm wondering sometimes, does people getting more stupid and stupid by seeing all stuff that they post on internet. But probably in past less stupid people had access to internet and we had no idea how many fools is around us.

Exactly because of such and similar things I don't use Facebook or any other social network. It's scars how invasive they and I really don't want someone to interfear so much in my privacy. I guess many got used to that and accepted that they actually don't have the privacy at all, but not me, for me that is not acceptable. I just wait to see how far this could go and where are the limits. People see just positive features of social networks and ignore the bad ones unless something unpleasant happens to them. But to my opinion these negative sides are becoming bigger than the positive ones.

That's some new level of stupidity. But the good thing is that he managed to spread the news before the couple could even do so.

I must be happy for this very advanced technology. or unhappy.? there is something else that attracts my attention. I'm talking about wanting to buy something at home. A boat! and google shows me the boat ad for sale. but I didn't mention this before. and on the internet certainly I did not search the boat...  it is interesting, is not it?

I gather Facebook is losing millions of account, and I'm not really surprised. A masked burglar took a selfie outside a house he had just robbed, and psted it on Facebook - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6788623/Masked-burglar-takes-selfie-outside-football-manager-Brendan-Rodgerss-home-robbery.html
With obsessive compulsive behaviour by people with such a low mentality, it's no wonder a lot of people can't be bothered with the site.

I’m sure this has happened to me , but can’t be 100% sure as subconsciously we may notice things more that have been mentioned recently in our thoughts. But Facebook is definitely using facial recognition, happened to me yesterday on a random friend of a friend photo.

We are giving facebook, whatsapp and all those other apps access to our photos, phonebook, videos, audio recordings etc etc so yeah I absolutely believe what that guy experienced is true.

Let me share with you an experience I had with two friends of mine.
A few weeks ago I noticed a new watch that my friend was wearing. I asked him is that watch new? It looked like a Citizen watch with a leather armband. He said I wish, it is not a Citizen. It is a cheap look-a-like I bought on the street.
He told me how much he paid for it and I replied that he could have bought a decent Casio watch in a local shop since I was also wearing a Casio that day.
Anyway our conversation went on about watches and prices for a bit before we ended that topic. Now you are probably asking yourself why some of the words are bolded. Well that is because our phones and the apps on them (God bless them) recorded some of those keywords like watch, Citizen, price, new watch, Casio.

In the next few days, his wife (also present) during our conversation and myself started seeing sponsored ads on facebook and google about watches, Citizen watches, best local shops to buy a watch etc... The weird thing is that he didn't receive any ads, only his wife and myself. 

Now how is that for a scary bed time story?!

I went to a wedding and ended up all over Facebook. This pissed me right off as as far as I know there are no other photos of me anywhere on the internet. Had I known that would happen I would've attended with a shoe gaffer tapped to my face. Maybe with a slot for tonguing but I'm not sure.

This disgusts me - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html

In a few years I won't go outside unless I look like this.



So it's going to take me three hours before I go to the corner shop.

Facebook was initially beautiful.
 But now it has become dangerous and boring.
And full of idiots.
I've been shut down from using Elvis a lot.

I don't have a facebook or twitter account - I've never seen the reason. To my mind both sites seem to be full of inconsequential rubbish posted by kids or politicians. I've got a McDonalds promotion bean stuck over the camera on my notebook as well. I don't want to feel that I have to shave in the morning just to log into the net.

there is a good chance that these information are at the government's disposal  , while the main advertised use of these information is for "targeted-advertisement" - for example when you google " cheap flight ticket from New York to London" , it's very likely that on your next visit to FB you will see an ad for a hotel in London, it happens all the time and these websites seem to share these information, i am sure many other members can relate.

Now i can't tell for sure about governments access to FB but i know about a guy who was arrested by the jordanian general intelligence when he landed in "Queen Alia International Airport" for a conversation he had on Viber with one of his friends where he was saying that " he might just join ISIS" as a reply-joke to his friend.

after 4 hours of investigations they let him go, but he said they kept watching him throughout his 2 days visit to Jordan " or maybe he was just paranoid" tho i doubt it.

some people believe that this is a false conspiracy theory, but based on a few things i have witnessed and personally experienced, i am certain that governments know more about us than we think.

I don't have the technical knowledge to evaluate the truthfulness of that statement, but I'm leaning toward agreeing with you.  On the other hand, I can't find any pics whatsoever when I google any variation of my name, so that's a bit of a relief.  Just for privacy reasons I keep a very low internet profile and don't have any social media accounts. 

But I had that damn FB account years ago, and I trust them as far as I can throw them.  It's a scary world we're living in.  The weird part is that it's become very much like George Orwell's 1984, but it's not the government spying on us--we're volunteering personal info via SM and recording everything on our phones.  Bet Orwell never thought that would happen.

I heard them say " you can never delete something from the internet" , didn't believe them, but now i do . I am almost certain that they will always track you, all it takes is 1 photo/comment or any piece of information you provide at any given time, and then they probably have these sophisticated software that will connect the dots and give them another piece of information about you.

That's effing scary--and I remember how crazy Shazam was when it came out.  I was absolutely blown away by the technology, but this is frightening.

I deleted my FB account back in 2010 and never looked back, but doubtless that doesn't mean anything as far as them still having all the pics I uploaded.  Ugh. 

 So last week , i attended my friend's wedding , one of his relatives took a photo for us , it was me, the groom , and another 2 guys that i don't know " his colleagues"

The next day, i woke up to this notification from FB.




i click it, and i get this





Right above the my photo  


I don't have the guy who posted the photo on my FB , he did not tag me , he simply posted on his wall and FB knows where and how i spent my night while i was signed out and totally offline.

also, while i do post a few photos of my ugly face once in a while, non of my photos have any similarities with the color of the picture, and my the picture was a bit dark, not zoomed it to my face.

 i have installed and worked with quite a few high quality face recognition cameras and non of them would catch a similar scenario so I gotta give credit for such INSANE technology.


TL;DR , if you have ever posted your photo on FB then regardless of what you do, they will always know your whereabouts