Topic: Facial Recognition Scan is forcibly being implemented over the world!!!. (Read 340 times)

As the world where science and discoveries goes further the advancement of technology also goes with it. Yes there are benefits of technology or gadget in our lives, it made everyday life more convenient and easy, to connect to various people or family and access information more quickly. However there are also disadvantage in this modern society like the lack of privacy to use that data by a company or organization to breach our personal lives like being watched by a cctv everyday. I think this is up to us how we use this technologies to know what's more than enough, In order to preserve our privacy.

Then do buy a trusted products because some gadgets didn't care by your looks. How they get your identity when it was new? If also you'd buy in a legal way then that was safe. They didn't want to broke the privacy of their customer of course so what's the problem?

Not news here. Moscow is full of CCTVs which are linked into single informational system. Its main purpose is to detect violation of traffic and some other administrative rules but it's also able to recognize faces.
Just for example, at previous christmas I found that my laptop was stolen, along with some other things. That happened in the airport, so there were really a lot of suspects. Police was able to track down the thief in less than 4 days. He was arrested, my laptop and other belongings were found in his flat. That was the quickest investigation I've ever seen, you might agree that such efficiency is frightening.

P.S. His lawyer offered me a deal and asked to withdraw a claim. I accepted it since I don't want to put somebody in jail for stealing the MacBook.

https://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2019/12/brookline-massachusetts-passes-facial-recognition-ban/

https://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2019/12/san-diego-shuts-down-massive-facial-recognition-system-to-comply-with-new-california-law/

https://massprivatei.blogspot.com/2019/12/nec-uses-customer-experience-centers-to.html

It is already happening in the US, don't fool yourself. Public resistance is only slowing it, if anything. The Chinese people don't get a choice, they are under a dictatorship and they all know it. In the USA they have to spin it like it is a good thing and obfuscate the project as well as the negative effects of implementing such systems, but they are in fact being created here too.

We should keep in mind, however, that China is a one-party, communist state. While the issue of surveillance and privacy are certainly important, I wouldn't expect anything like this to become reality in the United States any time soon. We are begging to crack down on data-harvesting and privacy issues as a whole, and while the technology used to limit our privacy is increasing, many legal actions are in place to try and counter that. Take all of the recent allegations towards Facebook as an example.

Furthermore, other ways to balance this new phenomena are being created with technology as well. Even taking bitcoin or other crypto for instance...
Taking a major aspect of our individual lives, money and it's location, and keeping it secure, out of the hands of those who pull the strings in our society. With more creations hopefully on the rise to allow us to keep our privacy in different ways, I hope we will one day have the ability to choose what we want to keep private and what we dont.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I think giving someone power to listen to everything everyone says - ever outweighs the benefit of having a terrorist database.

Though this does infringe on the privacy of everybody, it's being done for something good and that's for the security and safety of the people. With the database created with these scans it would be easy to arrest criminals and maybe stop potential terrorist attacks,  would be great if it was implemented everywhere.

reading it carefully it could be read that passengers can request not being recorded.
meaning automatic recording but deletion if a reqeust is formally made

this means that data gathered would require a person then asking for it not to be kept.
if regulations become wordd as such i can see this being abused in many ways like making it so annoying to say no to face recog (like how annoying it is to say no to cookie/ad/data tracking on every website) that people end up just pushing accept rather than deselecting 50 tickboxes

a bit like how stupid browsers work that send a 'do not track' request. or them phone call services that suppose to stop business cold calling you...

yet you then find out data is still gathered, info is still passed around and then if found out years later they just say 'oopsie sorry, tell use the cost of the fine and we will pay it.. no harm done'

you know. the whole 'teenager has criminal records sealed and expunged at 18' .. yet years later gets told someone unsealed the records..
or them anonymous adoptions where social services still have the records but just say they cant disclose
hmmm... not quite a removal of record after all if someone was able to find it

only solution
have no cameras at airport check-in desk at all. or if there is a camera make it abundantly clear you dont want records kept, but still expect someone somewhere to still have that data

should we hack/jailbreak tech and allow ourselves to use whatever open source apps we would actually prefer on the device? yep

kind of like should we just resign from bitcoin coz core centralised the decisions.
or should we keep trying to hold them accountable to their actions and try preventing them sliding in changes that take people off the network without consent(consensus)

Public push back does work...


https://www.rt.com/usa/475143-border-agency-reverse-facial-recognition/

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I know, but can there be one without the other? We need companies that have moral standards, but we can't always have what we want. They had no moral standards 10 years ago and they aren't going to have them now. Should we criticize this? Sure! Should we resign from all the gadgets because they are monitoring our activities? I don't think so.
Maybe this will open the market to new startups that will value our privacy like those that make safe phones with optional sim and wifi cutoff switches.
I'd rather buy a hacked smart home product with no connection to the manufacturer's cloud than the original.

but the perception of CCTV is that the image data is purely used by police to monitor potential crimes. not to then be used to sell to amazon on peoples shopping habits.

having a geolocation app that communicates just to your home router and just activates the heating when in proximity has its uses. but then selling the geolocation data to show which petrol stations you fuel your car at or what shops you visited and finding out if you like the temperature real hot to advertise hot chilli meals and hot drinks or if you prefer the temperature cooler to advertise iced tea and and cold meals is just taking things too far into peoples privacy

This against basic humans rights but govs did not care.....

Some states already have laws against it, but at the same time the DMV has been collecting high resolution photos usable for facial recognition for some time. Why do you think they put up those signs that say "don't smile please" it is because it throws off the metrics. See also the "REAL ID Act".

We have given all our data in big enterprises and governments.
The next step is to provide our facial picture, as we are persuaded that this is the best way to protect the data that we have already given...
It will come with the smartphones and then be spread as virus.

There's a series on Netflix called Black Mirror. It touches these problems, you guys should watch it if you haven't already.

I like technology and I don't mind if I'm being filmed by CCTV and scanned. Most people get upset and nervous when you take your phone and start filming them walking, but they don't understand they're being filmed all the time, just not as blatantly. It shows that as long as you don't see things you don't care, but once you realize it's happening it makes you more scared, paranoid even.


Technology always has some pros and cons. I'm a fan of smart homes and think that it's great that your house can sense you coming back and heat up the interior, switch the lights on, make you a coffee. Some people will be scared that what if the house locks you inside or starts telling the whole world where you are and what you're doing, but there's a risk in everything we're doing. You want self driving cars but you also don't want them to run people over or drive off a clif.

The difference here is the one collecting and handling your data. This data can be used to your advantage or disadvantage that's why we should be aware of this. I think in China they have many applications of this being tested, from loan monitoring, travel, etc.

Documentary a year ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eViswN602_k

At least the face recog is not yet required there in the US and you have more chance of having laws passed against it. Do you think laws can be used to have them destroy passively collected data?


Never used the face recog. Sometimes it's not accurate and activate when scanning faces of relatives. I prefer using fingerprint and just one specific finger per hand meaning I can also force it to only unlock using a password by repeatedly scanning the wrong finger. I disable voice recog when not at home.

And currently you can still opt out of using such products. You can't really opt out of government and passively collected databases though like they do at the DMV and now airports. People can raise awareness of the endless negative implications of this technology and get legislation passed to protect against it like some states have done. No technology is harmless. You can build a house with a hammer or you can cave some one's head in with it. This gives the hammer no moral value. Technology is a tool and its use depends on the motives of those that control it.



China is a dictatorship which hands down mandates and says comply or else, and the USA is a constitutional republic which is supposed to be ruled by its people, not by its government. The only difference is here they need to provide a layer of bullshit to sell you your enslavement so they can introduce ever increasing levels of surveillance and encroach on our freedoms. This has been the SOP since 9/11 and well before, but 9/11 was the break open excuse to roll out this technological totalitarian dystopia. Think The P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and The John Warner Defense Authorization act of 2007.

facial recognition is not a security feature

i know someone who uses it. and i asked to borrow his phone while its locked. i took a picture of him and held the picture at his phone camera and it let me in.
he was shocked

i told him imagine i took your picture in public and pickpocketted you.
now imagine i pickpocketted you and seen a password keypad with only 3 tries
which is easier to crack

he soon disabled the face recog and went back to using password

See the crazy thing is the difference in how two of the big world powers in the world treat these types of things.

In the US -- using facial recognition on your phone is a feature, it's something that you may buy a phone for because it saves times when you're signing into your phone.

In China -- Facial recognition is being forced on you. Before phones even had it, China had been implementing facial tracking tech all over the country and now they're forcing this on you.

China uses this to oppress you. The US companies use this as a feature that people like.

They probably already have such a database built, with all the face unlock on phones and facial recognition on social media. I understand the implications and it is indeed a slippery slope. The technology itself is harmless and can be used for things like finding missing people, etc.

I don't live in the US, do the public there have a way to stop this from being implemented or a way to reduce the risk of it being misused?

With 5G they don't need to chip you, they can locate you anywhere the antennas can reach. 5G is also a surveilance and weapons system, which is why the USA is cracking down so hard on Chinese built 5G infrastructure.

Thing is, countries implement these kinds of shzzers for the sake of security BUT they fail to let us understand how they bloody works, maybe even hide other features or surveillance that are actually done. This really makes believing in these kinds of things really difficult. It's like they are considering us as idiots that can't understand jack sht so they just say, "okay, this just recognizes your face in case you are gonna do something bad. " And that's that. The next thing they'd probably implement is chips in your arms that detect your GPS location every time. Hell, its good and all in case of emergencies, but in the end, it still encases your invasion of privacy.

This is just a standard protocol before they really require bluechips to be planted on your arm . For reasons of sovereignty authorization I have no problem with face recognition mode, at least they guarantee ownership or security guarantees when we are outside their jurisdiction. one day Privacy will be very tight regarding the problem of overpopulation and the state must ensure full control over its citizens.

You are only thinking about the purported use application and not the dual or multiple use of such a database existing. First of all, lets not even get into the false positive rates for facial recognition, or other racial differences in its application as that is a whole other long discussion. Just imagine a world where the government seeks to detain you for any number of reasons, lets for the sake of argument pretend the reasons are legitimate. You won't be able to walk down the street, drive down the road, or show your face in public without your face triggering an alarm and telling law enforcement exactly where they can detain you. Now think for a moment what a less than ethical government might do with such technology. Look into some of the existing issues with simple license plate scanners and imagine the implications of this applying to your face.

'pfft'
alexa: "would you like me to order you some antacids or some toilet roll?"

All of it might have good and bad consequences... For the security it can be good, but then do you trust the ones who store your data such as the face image? Pretty controversial

If speaking of a wider impact, I agree with you! this will be a problem. I don't want to exaggerate, but recently I have gotten a telephone call from someone who says that he is from a company that offers services and products.

At first, I relaxed to respond to that, but the call continued to come almost every day and came from different companies offering different services/products ranging from insurance, cosmetics, to milk for babies. Of course, this is very disturbing. And one thing I realize from this case, my personal data has been leaked. OMG! 

I can't imagine if what the @Juggy777 said would happen. it will be very bad!

In America, nobody is forcing anybody to use the $dollar. Even property taxes can be paid in other ways. So, people voluntarily use the USD. Same with anything else. People will be forced into it, or they will have a very difficult life.

I don't mind the facial scan for citizens when entering/leaving a country. It's just to prove that you indeed returned/left. You're already providing documents anyway, how bad is a scan? The China face scan for mobile is too much though.

And this is probably already going on for a long time. I remember videos online complaining about face scanning surveillance cameras in UK.

In 2020 there are more things to come in China,which is social score for every citizen based on the nature on public and private and these scores will be levied by AI caemras all around their country and will be linked to their national Identity of every personal.

No more privacy...

Between this and 5G, you won't be able to fart in your own home without it being logged into a permanent database and examined by AI algorithms. I wish I was exaggerating. You brain dead fucks need to wake up and resist this before privacy becomes a quaint historical concept, and a dystopian total surveillance nightmare becomes the standard. There is really no way to overstate the negative implications of this progression.

I have read in news that China has made it compulsory for new mobile users to scan their face when registering for new mobile phone services, which I feel is bad in law as this will allow the Chinese government to further snoop on them. In another article the US government now wants it’s own citizens to compulsory take a face scan while entering and exiting their country.

How long do you think before the other countries will follow suit, I would say only a matter of years before facial recognition scan is made compulsory all over the world.

In case you’re wondering why it’s a big deal then let me tell you that there are lots of potential dangers which include: Identity Theft, Hacking and worst of all your information will be sold to the corporates who’ll use it to bombard you with advertisements and products.

Now many will argue that the governments will secure our data and there won’t be any data breaches, well to them I say just do a quick google search and you’ll find that all our sensitive data often gets leaked and will keep getting leaked.

I would like to know how you’re dealing with the menance called facial recognition, and what is the situation in your country.

Also if there’s a data expert here who can give us more guidelines on how to protect ourselves, and any security measures we should implement I would appreciate it you post it here.

Sources:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50587098

https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/02/homeland-security-face-recognition-airport-citizens/

https://www.equifax.co.uk/resources/identity_protection/facial-recognition-and-identity-risk.html