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March 02, 2020, 02:18:13 PM
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I’ve personally watched someone close to me die of aids. It is most definitely a real disease.
Millions died of Aids, no debate about that one.   HIV =/= Aids   virus-disease   just like SARS-CoV-2 =/= COVID-19


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVo1vllcaE   Biologist Christl Meyer
https://youtu.be/tQCKb1JV-4A    Dr Robert Willner Injects himself with "HIV"   (fast forward to about  39min)
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hiv-aids-fact-or-fraud/ 117 min Documentary   the Start of this Rabbit hole

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https://youtu.be/XSSpoFq7uhM?t=93      Dr. Luc Montagnier,  the discoverer of HIV
  
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I’ve personally watched someone close to me die of aids. It is most definitely a real disease.
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Another one for the list.  Dr Robert Willner Injects himself with "HIV"   (fast-forward to  39min)
 
if this is true?then that doctor must be crazy and out of mind.

no one in His right mind that will inject HIV lol
Apparently he has done it several times with different people who are infected. He know what he was doing


Goldie Glitters lived without medication and HIV for over 30 years, died in 2005 at age 59, cause unknown, his blog:
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THE GREAT HIV / AIDS HOAX

The multi-billion dollar AIDS/HIV fraud is based on two fabrications: that
AIDS is a single disease and that it is caused by the HI virus or the "HIV
virus" as some medical/media masterminds call it - perhaps they think the V
in HIV stands for volcano.

In Japan "AIDS" is virtually unknown : yet, in random tests, 25% of people
were found to be "HIV-positive".

HIV-positive response means nothing of any relevance to health: it can be
triggered by vaccination, malnutrition, M.S., measles, influenza, papilloma
virus wart, Epstein Barr virus, leprosy, glandular fever, hepatitis,
syphillis ... : over sixty different conditions.

Dr Robert E. Willner, inoculated himself with the blood of Pedro Tocino, a
HIV-positive haemophiliac, on live Spanish television : an event which was
not picked up the pharma-beholden British or US media.

The great HIV/AIDS lie was created by Robert Gallo who was found guilty of
"scientific misconduct". "...instead of trying to prove his insane theories
about AIDS to his peers...he went public. Then, with the help of Margaret
Heckler, former head of Health and Human Services, who was under great
political pressure to come up with an answer to AIDS, the infamous world
press announcement of the discovery of the so-called AIDS virus came about.
This great fraud is now responsible for the deaths of hundreds of
thousands... It was no accident that Gallo just happened to patent the test
for HIV the day after the announcement...Gallo is now a multi-millionaire
because of AIDS and his fraudulent AIDS test." Dr. Willner.

By grouping together 25-plus different diseases and other allied factors -
pneumonia, herpes, candidiasis, salmonella, various cancers, infections,
vaccine and antibiotic damage, amyl nitrate damage, malnutrition etc.and,
particularly in Africa, TB, malaria, dysentery leprosy and "slim disease" -
and calling the whole thing an "AIDS epidemic", a multi-billion
dollar/pound "AIDS research and treatment" racket has been created.

The mythical "HIV-induced AIDS plague" in the Third World generates huge
sums of cash from Western relief organisations whilst smokescreening the
vaccine/drug boys, responsible for the carnage.

Every death of someone "HIV-positive" is recorded as an "AIDS death".

Periodically, the BBC/ITV/Press visit Africa/Yugoslavia/Russia etc to
report on the "HIV/AIDS victims" and how they cannot afford the
"life-saving AZT."

Glaxo Wellcome's lethal drug, AZT, in combination with the diagnosis of
HIV-positive and the prediction, stated or implied, that - "You will die of
AIDS" is one of the great pieces of Medical Black Magic - Voodoo Medicine
at its most impressive : people have committed suicide on the basis of the
ludicrous diagnosis.

Pregnant women who are HIV-positive have been told to stop breast-feeding,
dosed with AZT, have had abortions or have been sterilised. HIV-positive
babies who become ill -from vaccination or whatever - are automatically
diagnosed as "suffering from AIDS".

"Considering that there is little scientific proof of the exact linkage of
HIV and AIDS, is it ethical to prescribe AZT, a toxic chain terminator of
DNA...to 150,000 Americans - among them pregnant women and newborn
babies..? Rep.G Gutknecht US House of Representatives.

New Labour "Health" have now announced that all pregnant women in the UK
will be "offered" a HIV test. Those who fall for the scam and who are
diagnosed as "HIV positive" will be given the chance to have themselves and
their unborn child permanently damaged by AZT etc. Pregnancy, itself, can
cause a positive diagnosis.

AZT began as a "cancer drug" but was withdrawn for being too toxic: like
being thrown out of the Gestapo for cruelty. Its effects include - cancer,
hepatitis, dementia, seizures, anxiety, impotence, leukopaenia, , severe
nausea, ataxia, etc. and the termination of DNA synthesis. i.e. AIDS/death
by prescription. AZT eventually kills all those who continue to take it.

"WARNING : Retrovir (AZT)...has been associated with symptomatic myopathy,
similar to that produced by Human Immunodeficiency Virus..." Glaxo Wellcome
literature!

None of which stops the medical trade from pushing it on every trusting sap
who is not ill to start with but is labelled with the "HIV-positive"
nonsense and then destroyed by AZT; with "AIDS" getting the blame - and
more billions pouring in for the drug boys, vivisectors, animal breeders
and the rest. The latest stunt is to give a "cocktail" of drugs - including
AZT, of course, and at Ł12,000 per head, per year - to all homosexual men
who are "HIV-positive".

A particularly good scam is to haul into court someone "guilty of
deliberately infecting the victim with the 'HIV-Virus which causes AIDS' "
which then develops into "full-blown AIDS" - no mention of vaccine,
antibiotic damage etc or full-blown AZT. Over 2000 - and rising, of the
world's scientists are now disputing the HIV hoax, their efforts being
continually suppressed by the AIDS establishment, the
pharmaceutical/vivisection syndicate and their political and media lackeys.

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"The story of AIDS is deeply connected with the vicissitudes of the theory
that viruses cause cancer and the failure of the cancer research programme.
Michael Verney-Elliot put it most acidly when he said "From the people who
didn't bring you the virus that causes cancer, it's the virus that doesn't
cause AIDS.' " Jad Adams The HIV Myth.

"It's not even probable, let alone scientifically proven, that HIV causes
AIDS. If there is evidence...there should be scientific documents
which...demonstrate that fact... There are no such documents." Dr Kary
Mullis Nobel Laureate

"If you think a virus is the cause of AIDS, do a control without it....it
hasn't been done. The epidemiology of AIDS is a pile of anecdotal stories,
selected to fit the virus/AIDS hypothesis... Peter Duesberg Member,
National Academy of Sciences.

"Nobody wants to look at the facts...I've sent countless letters to medical
journals...they simply ignore them. The fact is, this whole heterosexual
AIDS thing is a hoax." Prof Gordon Stewart Public Health University of
Glasgow.

"The cause of AIDS is multiufactorial ; HIV is neither necessary nor
sufficient." Dr Lawrence Bradford biologist.

"I am well convinced that HIV is harmless." Dr Fabio Franchi, specialist,
infectious disease

"...AIDS is not a disease at all - it is a government program." Tom Bethel,
Hoover Institute researcher.

"Electron microscopy reveals retrovirus-like particles in 90% of enlarged
lymph nodes from AIDS patients but the identical particles can be found in
90% of enlarged lymph nodes from patients who do not have AIDS and are not
at risk from developing AIDS. If the particles seen...in AIDS patients are,
as the AIDS experts assure, HIV, what are the particles seen in patients..
who are not at risk..." Dr Valendar Turner, Autralian Broadcasting program
1994.

"A major problem with the new AIDS definition is that it ignores the
man-made environmental causes of immune suppression. Exposure to toxins,
alcoholism, heavy drug use or heavy antibiotic use all can cause onset of
the list of 'diseases' indicative of AIDS. "Los Angeles Weekly Dec 18 1987.
[Dr. Leo Rebello - has said the same thing in his book AIDS AND ALTERNATIVE
MEDICINE].

"I have seen the constant terror and the programming to get sick and
die...As long as we imply that 'AIDS' itself exists we are operating within
the AIDS group fantasy." Michael Ellner medical hypnotist

"Regarding the only type of HIV antibody test routinely used in the UK
since 1992, called an ELISA, manufacturers, Abbott Laboratories, say :
'ELISA testing alone cannot be used to diagnose AIDS..'."

Roche Diagnostics..likewise say of their genetic 'HIV testing kits' : "The
Amplicor HIV Monitor test is not intended to be used as a screening test
for HIV or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection."
Continuum Magazine leaflet Dec 1998

"The techniques of the HIV test have not been standardised and the
magnitude and the consequences of inter-laboratory variations have not been
measured. Its results require interpretation and the criteria for this
interpretation vary, not only from lab to lab, but from month to month."
New England Journal of Medicine 317:238-241.

"Positive tests do not prove AIDS or pre-AIDS disease status nor that these
diseases will be acquired." Manufacturers of Western Blot (HIV) test kit.

"...in the general population, which the CDC estimates to have a prevalence
of HIV infection of 0.006%, using a test with a specificity of 99%, the
result is that 94% of all positives will be false positives." Christine
Johnson, Continuum Magazine, April 1994

"A study last month, by Congress's Office of Technology Assessment, found
that HIV tests can be very inaccurate indeed. For groups at very low risk -
people who don't use IV drugs or have sex with gay or bi-sexual men - 9 in
10 positive findings are called false positives, indicating infection where
none exists." US News and World Report Nov 23 1994.

"HIV tests are notoriously unreliable in Africa. A 1994 study, published in
the Journal of Infectious Diseases, concluded that HIV tests were useless
in central Africa, where the microbes responsible for tuberculosis, malaria
and leprosy were so prevalent that they registered over 70% false
positive." Sacramento Bee October 30 1994

"It was the first time a scientist had ever run away from me. Typically
scientists are bulldogs. They fight for their position. But the HIV guys
don't. They run." David Rasnick, on his doomed attempt to get answers on
awkward questions from HIV-fantasist Martin Markowitz.

"We've all seen them. Stars , disc jockeys , sportsmen and women with a red
ribbon pinned onto white tuxedos , black dinner jackets and
spaghetti-strapped evening dresses. These are the compassionate celebrities
who, with a sad expression, don the mantle of corporate grief for 'AIDS
victims and sufferers ' and feel they are 'doing good'. Granted they are
doing this with the best of intentions but far from doing good they are
actually doing damage - they are using their celebrity to raise funds for
AIDS research that is entirely misdirected and orchestrated by a profit -
oriented and commercially-blinkered pharmaceutical industry.They are
perpetrating the myth of the ... friend who was unlucky enough to get AIDS
through one unfortunate sexual encounter. They are colluding in a dangerous
cult of death-worship. They are diverting attention away from the high-risk
lifestyle factors including recreational and intravenous drug use that
accompany 'acquired immune deficiency'....

When Celia Farber interviewed the late Michael Callen ( author of Surviving
AIDS ) for Spin Magazine in 1988 he said, ' I have gone to a great deal of
trouble to find these people who claim to have only one or two 'unlucky'
sexual contacts. I found ten of them in all and each one ended up telling
me they had been lying...in the support group setting they would regale us
with tales of bathhouses and promiscuity and lovers on the side and drug
use.'...

But there are those who prefer to cling to the 'single simple cause'. They
have something to cling to in their grief...It is this ignorant, if
innocent, collusion, both by ordinary mortals and celebrities, with the
orthodox virus-AIDS hypothesis ( that has failed to save a single life )
which continues to fill the pharmaceutical industry's pockets, continues to
perpetrate the myth that HIV causes AIDS - that HIV exists at all - and
continues to prevent dissident scientists from exploring new avenues of
research." Joan Shenton, Meditel Productions - Continuum Magazine Jun/Jul
1997.

To add to the lunacy, if the HIV existed, a "positive" response would mean
that the body has superiority over the virus : "HIV" is the only infective
agent where a positive response indicates a negative situation.

Taking the "HIV test" is of no use whatsoever to anyone other than drug
companies and governments ever eager to increase their control. Those who
have had their immune system damaged by vaccines, antibiotics,
antipyretics, analgesics, amyl nitrates etc. need to detoxify and to build
up immune strength with raw, vegan, organic foods, homoeopathic and herbal
remedies : and, above all else, to stop swallowing the " 'HIV' causes
'AIDS' " rubbish and the lethal AZT "medication".

Sources/reading Green Anarchist - 38. Times April 3 1994. Deadly Deception
- Willner. The AIDS War - Lauritsen.

The Jody Wells Memorial Prize Ł1,000 Reward MISSING VIRUS. A cash prize of
Ł1,000 is offered to the first person finding one scientific paper
establishing HIV actually exists.


"I have known so many people who have died of AIDS ... and all of them -
all of them - took the drugs they were told to by their doctors. .. I have
never taken any of them and I haven't gotten sick . Not even a cold. The
doctors told me I had 5 years left to live. .. these drug companies that
produce the medication .. are getting very rich .. everyone I know who has
been HIV positive - and that's a lot of people - has died after taking
those drugs." Goldie Glitters - nearly 30 years "living with the virus".

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Bitcoin can never be blamed for the disease I accept as true with you  But the virus is really it enters the body of 1 person to a different  That's why it's to be controlled. HIV is typically a deadly virus you're right in saying that nobody will know the precise information and can not control it. That's why we all got to remember.
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I'm just waiting for someone to blame Bitcoin for infecting someone with the Corona Virus. After all, a few of the miners are Chinese. Smiley
hahahahaa damn cant do anything but laugh ,what else can they give the blame for Bitcoin?

at least the Australian forest Fire happen not because of Bitcoin sparks?

Another one for the list.  Dr Robert Willner Injects himself with "HIV"   (fast-forward to  39min)
 
if this is true?then that doctor must be crazy and out of mind.

no one in His right mind that will inject HIV lol
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March 01, 2020, 11:25:49 PM
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Duesberg on AIDS- The Case of HIV: We Have Been Misled 
http://archive.fo/GUU5e#selection-491.0-531.161

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I am usually a mathematician, but for many years, I have been interested in the area where the academic and scientific worlds meet the world of journalism and politics. I have thus documented extensively certain defective practices over 20 years. I published some of my documentation in my book Challenges (Springer Verlag, 1998).

One thing leading to another, over the last six years I have made up a file on an extraordinary situation concerning the virus called HIV. I have drawers full of documents. The Yale Scientific published two articles by me on HIV, in Fall 1994 and Winter 1995. The first article was entitled "HIV and AIDS: Have We Been Misled?" Both articles are reproduced updated in Challenges. The present article is therefore a follow up. To summarize:

-The hypothesis that HIV is a harmless virus is compatible with all the evidence I have studied.1

-Certain purportedly scientific articles on HIV, which I and others have followed up, are subject to severe criticisms, and exhibit serious defects which invalidate them.

-Certain scientific articles admit explicitly that scientists do not know how "HIV causes AIDS". Although they try to fit data to this axiom, the data don’t fit.
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I'm just waiting for someone to blame Bitcoin for infecting someone with the Corona Virus. After all, a few of the miners are Chinese. Smiley
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Not really. Not every disease can be beaten by money. Nature has the highest power and that's why no billionaire has been ever an immortal. But they do control a large portion of the world in so many ways we can't even imagine. But Steve jobs gave up to cancer :/ so yeah, nature>money!
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March 01, 2020, 05:04:15 AM
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Another one for the list.  Dr Robert Willner Injects himself with "HIV"   (fast-forward to  39min)
https://youtu.be/tQCKb1JV-4A  
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February 29, 2020, 11:55:03 AM
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Shocking un-cut footage as told by Dr. Luc Montagnier ( the discoverer of the human immunodeficiency virus, HIV)
Vitamin C is the most powerful antioxidant in nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSSpoFq7uhM
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February 28, 2020, 03:19:14 PM
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As virus is a hot topic at the moment I had a look around and found this 117 min Documentary
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hiv-aids-fact-or-fraud/
"Money is stronger than truth"

We can't deny millions infected  Angry

I dont know but here is another much shorter one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVo1vllcaE
Magic Johnson has HIV virus since 1991 he is now 61 years old, magical cure?

Watching now!
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February 28, 2020, 02:52:45 PM
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As virus is a hot topic at the moment I had a look around and found this 117 min Documentary
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hiv-aids-fact-or-fraud/
"Money is stronger than truth"

We can't deny millions infected  Angry

I dont know but here is another much shorter one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVo1vllcaE
Magic Johnson has HIV virus since 1991 he is now 61 years old, magical cure?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6238227
Vitamin C in the treatment of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS)
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February 28, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
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As virus is a hot topic at the moment I had a look around and found this 117 min Documentary
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hiv-aids-fact-or-fraud/
"Money is stronger than truth"

We can't deny millions infected  Angry
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February 28, 2020, 01:12:06 PM
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As virus is a hot topic at the moment I had a look around and found this 117 min Documentary
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/hiv-aids-fact-or-fraud/
"Money is stronger than truth"
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