Topic: Fair or not fair about decreasing rank in bitcointalk (Read 671 times)

It might be fair, but it's created an awful lot of wind.

it's fair - it's not changing, so lock the thread and adapt.

The introduction for one merit to rank up is not designed to prevent the average real member from ranking up. It is purely aimed at shit-posters from signature campaigns and "bots".

Shit-posters are people who purely post to meet bounty quotas, have no real interest in exchanging ideas or post incomprehensible garbled nonsense.

Often - just engaging with other members is not necessarily considered worthy of merit.  But they are valued as a conversation.

If you are chatting to others - that is not considered shitposting. But it may make getting merit more difficult.
TMAN'S guide to getting merit.

Giving merit to shit-posters is one of the reasons senior members are careful with giving merits to Newbies:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

As you can see - merit is sometimes wasted on those that really don't deserve it.

However - there has been a real drive to give merit to newbies who deserve it.
[TOP-200] Members who support newbies

Senior members are not anti newbies (even though it may appear that way sometimes - senior members (especially on Meta) are often involved in reporting lots of spams and fighting scams - so they are anti spambies and anti scambies).

Users that participate are very welcome in the forum. Some things are un-moderated to it does pay to not be offended too easily.
  
The reason senior members often get a lot of merit is because:

1) To rank from Newbie 4 ranks to Full Member = 100 merit
2) To rank up from Full member 3 ranks to legendary = 900 merit

The changes are really working:

Then it’s about time you start looking around the forum to find out. There are enough threads on the matter to create an essay for a doctorate thesis (ideally, without plagiarism).

Me too! Now I do not know how Merit works 

I will say it's fair why because in bitcointalk now people don't understand it very well because the don't mind post reasonable post to get merit what the are after is just doing there bounty programs that's all but now which requires you to get one merits before you become jr member it will make everybody to be serious.

This is a private forum  owned by  a group of persons, not some democratic government. There is no point is objecting to the decisions taken by the management here. I think that the admin still takes the opinion of members before making any major changes and we should be content with that much.

Because of the new rule, the bounty chasers rose and complained about everything. Eventually, a merit is not that hard to get, its just that these people are only after the bounties instead of knowledge. Trust me people, you 
will get a merit.

I think it fair with everyone because rank jr member with no merit,it is easy to become jr member and they can do signature,if rank higher they will get more stakes and jr member can get 1 stakes but they can do many acc jr member to get more stakes,there are many acc jr member do bounty so there are many post with low quality on this forum,when bitcointalk change the rule about  rank jr member with 1 merit,this changing is limmited rank Jr member do bounty and they will come back newbie and they have to try and try to become the true jr member,Restrict low quality posts because they can't do bounty,I think this changing is fair with everyone

Agreed with you 1000% newbie like me need qualified information. Please give me the best post you have, I will read your sort or long text can construct my knowledge about Cryptocurrency. Bounty and campaign is like a bonus when requirements is passed

Come on bro, its just one merit to take your old rank back and you are whining out here as if theymos has given you a merit requirement the same as a Legendary member would have. Hasn't it come to your attention that on your 196+ days of being "active" in the forum you still haven't received even just one merit? It is just a simple way to know that you are not posting quality posts here in the forum and if you really want to become a Jr. Member again you must change it as it is the only way you can rank up now.

I understand you and your displeasure, but you also have to understand that this is done for a reason.
The forum administrator sees what he needs to do to improve the forum itself.
 Great words "The main things is not quantity but quality"
Strive for quality content and many of you will be thanked by my friend.

I didn't single you out in my response - referring, instead, to "bounty hunters" in general - but since you went ahead and made a claim you don't post garbage I, of course, checked your post history and here are just a few of the useless, redundant and/or poorly-written posts (excluding bounty reports):

Post #189 in "What are the reasons behind banning cryptos?": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45708196

Post #273 in "Do you regret it not selling it on peaked last jan 2018": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45707486

Post #1548 (!!!) in "How to know if Bounty is scam?": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45707075
^^ This on is almost a good post... except it is the >1500th in a thread and so the chance you contributed something meaningful that helped someone else is near zero.

Post #130 in "Why crypto go down?": https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45685481
^^ This is a worthless post because the topic itself is totally unoriginal; something like it is posted several times every day.

Etc. and so on. You think you write good posts and meaningfully participate in the forum but your English is sub-par and you post pretty much exclusively in spam megathreads. You may not want to hear it, you may not like it, but you are, indeed, the type of person the new, retroactive rule requiring 1 merit to reach jr. member is targeting.

I registered my account on January 4,2018.After the registration,i started studying technical analysis and fundamental behind a coin/token.I went through this just to trade and make constructive post.
The thread i posted on  are politics and society and Altcoin trading discussion.
I just startedd posting on meta newly after jr members are being demoted.
I have not wander on other forum for a day let alone posting garbage.
Some of my posts on altcoins forum occur as a result of the previous trade i did in the past.

The real question is, did users fail to discharge their responsibility to not post garbage in the first place? The answer is yes.

Expecting moderators to catch every single shitpost is absurd, as prior to the meritocalypse there were 45000 to 55000 new posts per day and something like a few dozen - certainly less than 100 - moderators. That means the average moderator would have to analyze at least 500 posts per day (assuming no overlap with other mods) which is asking a bit much, really.

If bounty hunters had confined their activities to posting twitter/facebook/etc. reports in the bounty subforum there wouldn't be a problem, but too many of you were wandering around other parts of the forum posting massive numbers of shitposts for sig campaigns. THAT is what brought this pox upon your house.

I checked my profile and saw i have been relegated to the position of a newbie.I researched and found out the action was taken as a result of garbage posts.
The question is ,does it mean the  moderators have failed to discharge their responsibilities by removing garbage posts?
Does it mean the bounty managers cannot remove those posting garbage on the projects they are in charge of?
When you go through a lot of signature spreadsheet,you will know that a lot of people posting garbage are not given stakes?
Does it mean that 100% of jr members  or all the jr members post garbage ?
When you go through the spreadsheet,you will know that even some of the senior members are not given stakes because their post is not linked to the matter under discussion?
Look! I see this action as a strategy created to takeaway the stakes jr members have gotten.I said this because a lot of jr members cannot claim the stakes they have gotten especially the ongoing signature campaign they are into.
What the admins would have done is to ban bot bitcointalk or multiple accounts because those account might have 90%  of garbage post.

Life is always unfair, let's get used to that. Take the new rules as an effort to make people better.
A sincere and free advice: Stop lamenting.

I was a Jr member before few days ago. After I saw the decrease of my rank first time, I felt as same as you feel. But now I'm in another opinion. If still I was a Jr member, as early system I will never motivate to increase my rank. With this rule we are encourage to spread our own opinions. You don't worry about the fall and never think it will be an end. This is the real beginning for a newbie.

This is the decision that Newbies conduct to the correct track. Passing newbie level easily by having activities is actually not enough in present as  most probably it is not a challenging thing. I think the best thing now we have to do is being more professional.

I am relegated from Jr member to newbie, but I agree with this revision of the rules to enhance the quality of the forum.
I think that many people can improve their knowledge by increasing the number of high quality postings.

Well, the solution is to grow you account to member... For that you need merits, and to get merits you need some good quality posts. No one say it would be easy, at end the money of those ones to work and the merit system was implemented to grow up the posting quality, was a wise move to avoid all that spam, but isn't a system fair for all. To get 1000 merits sound really hard, but become legendary wasn't easy from the start.

Good look and do it well this time

Isn't that the truth.

I tried to view OP's posts, and it looks like I have all those sections blocked.  No wonder he hasn't gotten any merits--my guess is that he's either posting entirely in bounty threads or in mega spam sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion or Economics. 

It always blows my mind how people overestimate their writing abilities and actually think their posts stand out from the rest of the shitposts getting plopped out upon bitcointalk daily. 

However, keep in mind that Theymos knighted some new merit sources today and increased the number of sMerits available to all of the sources.  That should help to alleviate some of this pressure on noobs.  But if you just got busted down to Newbie status and you have an activity of 280 or something like that, you're not doing something right and the problem isn't with the merit system or these new requirements.  It's with YOU.

You will be getting a merit as soon as you'll stop looking for it. Just start helping instead of complaining and it will come.

Meanwhile, just buy a Copper Membership in order to avoid the limitations, I bought mine as soon as I made the account only because I wanted to remove the time between reporting the shitposters that are asking for their ranks back now:)

This is actually the best thing that happened with the forum at the moment, hopefully we will be rid of the "good project" shitposting made only for the sake of rank increase.

fair or unfair we still have to be aware of who we are, we are only users who must obey every regulation made by the administrator. if the administrator decides to make this rule, it's because of the many newbies who just become shitposers. even if we complain or even blame someone, it certainly won't help us. one thing that can help us is, keep obeying the rules and respecting someone who makes them and allows us to stay in this forum

stop complaining, this is only a ranking issue and you aren't evicted from here.
is your mind full about Merit everyday? one day you will get it. so, calm down!
first, remove the mindset that "you only live once". that is wrong! you live every day, you only die once. you have many opportunities to get it.

In my opinion it is unfair to decrease our ranking as it is now, it should be applied if we will move up the next rank

No, you post meaningless replies on page xx of spam megathreads. To wit, this post is on page 56 and quotes the OP:



And this post does the same on page 33:



You don't quote the OP in this post, but it's reply #547 to a thread asking whether the ICO market will grow this year:



And, finally, your reply #712 to a thread proclaiming now is the time to buy Ethereum:



In fact, the only good thing I can say about these posts is that they aren't plagiarized.

Yes it is fair.  Earning a merit is not the same as believing you should earn a merit.

You'll find no one cares that you can't join a signature campaign.  People like you almost destroyed this forum...

Improve the quality of your posts, try to post posts with constructive content, 1 merit is not difficult, if you are willing to share your knowledge, make your good suggestion for others, I bet you will reach jr.member within 10 days minimum requirements. From now on, give it a try！

Come on this community is not only about bounties it's about sharing knowledge bounty is just an extra. If you're unhappy for your demotion because of bounty you should leave this forum and find a job.

Well your working days in the forum are over now. For good or bad _(jk), the changes were made and you have to deal with it.
All the meaningless "conversations" for which people got payed for will now slowly disappear, and if you have something to say, you gonna say it without being "pressed" by the sig. campaign rule to reach so and so posts per week.
If you want to be a part of the community, then be one, no need to spam.

Today, i was so surpised when i open my profile in bitcointalk and found that my rank is decrease to be newbie and of course this effected for my signature campaign that i can't join again. I am active member in this forum and always give all my best to give quality post, but until now i never get one merit. I think it's to hard get merit eventhough i always do my best effort to post.
Is it fair for me or another junior member who are active in the bitcointalk and always try give quality post about the new rule??? What should we do to get just one merit to increase our rank?
It's a disappointed decision, will it be the end for me or another people who have some problem like me in the bitcointalk?
Please help me give your reason and solution to face this problem, thanks before guys..