Topic: FAKE NEGATIVE TRUST SCORE FROM CORRUPTED USER. (Read 821 times)

No, I am not trying to defend, but I am asking did he scammed or trying to scam in this forums?

Are you really trying to defend someone who was listed on the Rokso list on Spamhaus ? That is an achievement that only the most notorious spammers manage to do.

Are you sure? it looks like you already quoted somewhere, do you really?
I posted in that thread long back go and read them.

You payed ICO bumping shills are so cute when you are angry

you mean he is trying to scam some other people?

Buying accounts is considered dodgy.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/will-buy-hero-or-legendary-bitcointalk-account-4508940

Spamming is also considered dodgy .
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-spam-bad-filip-poutintsev/




Source: http://archive.is/qvxyB

That's not the type of person that I am.  :/

For example, if I see someone trying to scam an elderly person, I will intervene.  You would just continue walking I guess...

Exactly!

If you don't trust then just ignore him, instead of showing that warning sign in profile.

You are making that the whole community shouldn't trust him.

Can you explain why the forum should be taking your advice on the trust system given that you have shown you have made no effort to read the relevant stickied posts and do not understand how it works?

No, it indicates extreme caution should be exercised when trading with you, which seems quite appropriate given your behavior. It doesn't say "Don't trade" and even if it did that still couldn't prevent someone from trading with you.

It does not mean you have scammed anyone.

It means I do not trust you.  And as a natural extension those that trust me do not trust you.

Just imagine for a second, based on your behavior here, if you and I were equal in our ability to influence others...   

Based on the PMs you have sent me and others, you are immature, hot headed and do not belong in any position of influence.

How many times must this be explained to you?
You were attempting to manipulate a feedback system, that's red no matter how you see it, feel it, justify it or call it marketing.
You don't get it because you are being willfully ignorant. You may as well lock this thread because it will go nowhere.

It is fake.

Negative trust and the warning message: "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" Indicates that I have scammed people. However I have not.

I was given fake negative trust reviews just because some asshole members do not like what I do.

This is their problem. But giving negative trust for that is wrong and abuses the whole trust system.

How many times I need to explain this:

"I don't like what this person does" IS NOT THE SAME AS "This person should not be trusted".

While I did register on October last year, I've been posting actively on this forum for couple months only. Therefore you really cannot compare our accounts.

There are no Bitcointalk "police". Besides, did you go to any police-like users? No. You made a thread. A public thread, at that.

First, it's not fake as you claim. I read the link in the Reference and in my opinion, it is justified. Second, theymos will almost certainly not remove it. In extreme cases of spam it would be considered but this is not your case.

From the first page:

And the answer was no, but you didn't like that.

Theymos might remove only obviously spammy ratings, e.g. if someone post hundreds of them for no apparent reason.


There was no crime. Next time someone says something you don't like - go and file a police report. See how that works out for you.

Okay next time some one commits crime against you don't go to the police, but ask that person to make it right to you. Let's see will that work?

I guess you didn't read my original topic.

I asked if an admin can help me to remove fake negative trust rating. If theymos can do that, then why no one told about that earlier?

You probably should have PM'ed the one that left it and tried to fix it before the tirades but from this thread, pride is getting in the way.

No, the way newbies treat this forum as a free money dispenser is what's ugly.


Ultimate decentralization, isn't that what you're aiming for?

You want to take advantage of this forum but you don't want to conform to its rules and etiquette. You also seem to be doing the same thing on Reddit. I don't think you have any standing to complain about being treated poorly.


You can do it, just make sure they are indeed assholes and cunts. I would merit a good insult.

Hey bud. You and I both registered in October last year. We are both as newbie as each other. Yet you are a Junior Member with 3 merit, and I'm a Senior Member with >300.

Maybe the problem isn't with the system, but with you? Certainly going around calling people assholes and cunts probably isn't the best way to earn merit or establish a positive reputation.

Stupid is what you and a few others are doing because you don't like the way the forum runs. Take it up with theymos and stop spamming the forum with useless posts.
Stupid is trying to change a forum to suit a handful of malcontents.
Stupid is not education yourself on things you think you know but really don't.
You can lead a jackass to water but you can't bend his neck.

I guess no one cares. The only problem that only those members can give Trust rating that changes overall Trust of a member.

Bud. Who the fuck cares if you're a Hero Member or a Jr. Member? I don't see why this is something to complain about. You talk about equality and transparency. The only differences between the ranks are post time intervals (to prevent spam, which makes sense) and signature elements.

If you're not complaining about making pretty signatures or posting more often, then you're just mad that it's too difficult to enter signature campaigns, which have brought forth a cesspool of money-driven users.

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Have you ever mined a block?

Such a stupid advice. If all people would do that, we would have 1000 Bitcoin forums. What the point it that!

And about complaining and taking over. I though Bitcointalk was supposed to be decentralized like the Bitcoin, but here some jerks run the show. Bitcointalk is the opposite of Bitcoin. I think these guys should rather run FIAT forum, it more aligned with their philosophy.

And what comes to Newbies not being real Newbies. Yes of course people have to do that, when some assholes poison their accounts. Now I will have to do this too.

As I stated: When people come into an established forum and try to take it over, people get pissed. Add to that most Newbies are really not Newbies but alt. accounts trying to scam others or spam the sig campaigns. When you see this over and over, it makes you a Newbie skeptic.
If you don't like this forum, you are free to start your own. Please give the link and we will go there, bitch and take over.

I'm not blaming you. But the way this forum treats "newbies" is just ugly. I though Bitcoin was about equality and transparency, but this forum is the opposite of Bitcoin. This forum is like old school bank world where cronyism is ruling.

I've been here a long time and have put up with a lot of know it all Newbies. There was a Newbie Jail at that time.
If you want to bitch about Merit and Trust, complain to the one that implemented it, theymos, I had nothing to do with it.
What gives you any right to join a forum and want to change it to suit your needs?

quantity != quality

I have posted a lot. Go check my other topics.

What did you do to earn your 1000 Merits?

Post something worthy of reading. Selling accounts has been going on for a long time, early days it was for pulling scams, now it's to earn BTC.
Seriously, you don't know as much as you think you do, I suggest you read up on the Trust system, why it was implemented, account selling and forum etiquette.

Actually I do.

They buy them, because it's not possible to become Hero or Legendary member anymore.

Old account may have same amount of Merit as posts, but new account have 100 less Merit than posts.

This is because old users do not give Merit to new users.

Also new users rating don't matter, only rating of old users change the Trust of a member.

The whole system is based on cronyism.

Don't know much about this forum, do ya?  They buy them to make $$$$, spamming for BTC.

What contributions? This is just bullshit.

This is also the reason why people keep buying Full Member, Hero or Legendary accounts. Because members are not treated equally!

There is no restriction on who can rate whom. You should know that, you posted a bunch of retaliatory ratings already.

Also - you can stop PMing me. You're not my type.


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It is fair in the sense that those users did not start on it, DT2 members did not start on it rather they earned their positions with the contributions they made for the forum.

There's nothing fair in the trust system, when only inner circle can rate others. This is just plain cronyism. No fairness even in sight.

That's because you don't understand how the trust system here works, or what the culture of bitcointalk is all about.  Had you understood the latter you might have avoided the negative feedback that's gotten you all in a snit.  Most of the human beings behind Vod's negative feedback should have been put in a jar upon birth--and you wonder why their feedback isn't trusted.
OK then.  We're all waiting for you to leave, then we'll vacuum and start cleaning up the silly string.

You should know that those members whose feedback counts were member like you in the beginning which were not included in the DT2 at that time. They climbed the ladders to be in DT by doing great works for the forum and their contribution was noted by the ones who created DT at first place and decided to include them in DT2 in order to have a forum without scams (although scams are all over the place here unfortunately).

PS. Please take some time to read stickies in Meta regarding DT and DT2 status and everything will be crystal clear to you.

You can add any users you want to your trust list and give them equal votes.

This is the whole problem, that ratings of certain members count and of others do not. This whole system is based on cronyism and it allows inner circle to to do what ever they want.
In order for trust system to be fair every user should have equal vote.

Fight? I'm not the one sending incendiary PMs.

If you're talking about the trust rating I posted for you - it's not fake in any way. Click on the reference link to find out why you got it.

On the other hand, all trust references that you posted for other people link back to your own profile so there is no actual reason provided. And then you posted this, which indicates that your trust ratings are retaliatory:

That is called untrusted feedback as you say. There are a few DT (default trust) members who keep an eye here for anyone who want to cheat the system here and they punish the users accordingly. If they were not in DT this forum would be a mess. Vod is one of them. As I said he rarely leaves feedback without an explanation so you should find the mistake in yourself and not retaliate here against him or other DT members as you will gain nothing. Ok, there have been a very few times when someone of the DT members may have abused a feedback (that have happened almost 0% of the time) but DT members are humans so they may make an error but after reading the reference to your feedback I think Vod is not wrong. When someone wants to "cheat a system" no matter where this system is inside this forum or outside this forum a warning is given to that user in the form of the negative feedback in order to warn others to avoid trading or dealing with him. Still if you think it is not fair you have the right to do so as we are in free speech here but you can continue to trade, the only limitation is you have to go first with trusted members as they have no problems trading when anyone even negative rated persons when this person is sending them for example bitcoin first and receiving money soon after. This negative rated person knows that a trusted member with green trust in the majority of the cases will not scam him.

Well why did you give me fake review? Did I do something to you? Seems like you are only looking for a fight.

Really? Then explain this?

Why there is Trusted and Untrusted feedback?

I see this Vod has gotten 20 times more negative feedback, than positive, but all negative feedback is market as "untrusted". Doesn't seem fair.

There is no clique running this forum. It is a decentralised forum and also the trust system is decentralised. If someone doesn't like you or think that you are not trustworthy they can leave you a negative feedback explaining the reason why they left it. And enough with the worse of the words against a member of the forum which rarely(I think never) have left a negative feedback without reason or totally undeserved to other members. You should be put to jail for the harassment you are doing against Vod. If you are so sure about what you say bring evident proofs otherwise stop once and for all with your bullshit.

I see you already started fixing it. Thanks for your "review":

I suspected that already.

Look like Bitcointalk Trust system has a huge problem. This could be fixed by allowing new users to review old accounts.

What do you mean cheat their system?
Does upvoting come under cheat system or not?
Why Bounties are not suspended when they ask to upvote or share? Does these all wont come under cheating method?

OP Vod is a shitposter and a pedophile(search google), he is not punished yet only because the clique running this forum likes him

Check out
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/trust-system-abuse-dt2-member-vod-is-provably-dishonestly-rating-people-4415201
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/requesting-vod-be-prevented-deleting-posts-self-modded-threadremoved-from-dt-1179238
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vod-trolling-me-with-red-tag-4457684
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vod-abusing-reputation-system-3968686

 

For some reason, that made me LOL. 

You said "goodbye" an hour ago. You clearly can't be trusted.

Lack of morals? So you poison someone else's account, and talk about morals? You must be completely retarded!

If you do shit to people, don't expect anything good from them.

See?  I am rarely wrong about a person's lack of morals. 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. 

Well all the assholes that give me fake negative review. You just received negative review from me, for the reason of abusing trust system on Bitcointalk.

And you know what, you are right about me having only 120 posts and you having thousands. My account is just few months old and yours is few years old. So the damage done to me is minimal. I can always create new account, or perhaps buy one of those Hero or Legendary accounts. And I guess you will want to switch account, you idiots will have to live with lower trust score now, just because you couldn't stay away from what is not your fucking business.

Goodbye jerks!

Well I'm not familiar with reddit and their system, so it appears that you were trying to cheat their system indeed. now get out of here.

EDIT: goodbye. they'll tag all your accounts next time you ask to buy fake reputation.

You're being brought face-to-face with the bitcointalk culture, where we view such "marketing" as dishonest.  Most of us don't support what you're trying to do, so you'll have to suck that up.  Scams aren't even moderated on this forum, and members therefore have to administer their own justice in the form of trust feedback.  You're not going to get any help from staff on bitcointalk, believe me.

The only thing you might get from a thread like this is unwanted attention and more negative feedback.  If you don't believe me, take a look at your trust score after reading this.

No, way except FBI

Attempting to abuse a Trust system, got caught and complaining that the same was done to you is just priceless.  
You may end up with even more red.

What Vod needed to do: he should've warned you that what you are doing could be considered something of untrustworthy nature and if you didn't listen to his warning and kept doing what you were doing, he could then tag you for trying to cheat a trust system on another site. nothing is lost yet, instead of you with less than 150 posts trying to teach Vod a lesson, say that you are sorry and ask him kindly to give you a chance to prove yourself without having a scammer tag on your profile.

No I was not. The only thing I wanted to do is to promote some posts there. That's not abusing trust system, that's only marketing.

Weren't you trying to abuse the trust system on Reddit?   

This is just abuse of the whole trust system.

You know if I were an asshole like Vod I could give you negative trust review just for saying what you said. You see the problem here?

Vod does not need to transact with you in order to tag you. Vod is known for cleaning out spammers, scammers and cheaters just like you away in this forum. Even though reddit is a different site using BCT as a transaction for cheating another site will give this forum a bad image. Also being a DT member his negative feedback can be seen by all the members unlike non-DT members which won't leave any red paint in your account.  If you still want to continue with your “business” I suggest you look for another site elsewhere.

Why don't we all give Vod some negative trust feedback to teach him a lesson.

1) I didn't say you scammed anyone.  I said you were asking for help to scam.

2) I don't need to be a victim to distrust you.

Any other arguments?

It's fake because I have not scammed anyone, therefore there should be no issues with trusting me.
It's also fake because you have not been victim of anything I have done.

If people start giving negative trust just because they don't like what the other person does, then the whole trust system will be ruined! And apparently it already is.

I would not care if it would not display "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" on my profile now!

Which is a lie and harms my business, as I have not scammed anyone!

Can you tell me what's fake about it?

Did you read the reference?  Notice how you were asking for help to cheat a reputation system?



No, but I can delete the trust if you can tell me what is fake about it...

Is there any admin I can complain to?

Why? because DT members are used to hold people's reputation as hostage? so when you leave a negative trust for DT members they will never remove theirs because they want to blackmail forum members for personal gain such as having your rating removed until I remove mine?

I can see that you have received "true" negative trust from DT.

Having a trade is not a pre-requisite. According to Vod you are not a trustworthy person and so he has marked you accordingly. But since trust is subjective you just ignore his rating and continue with you "services". You should not be bothered about the rating if you are giving a "legitimate" service.

Trust is not moderated. Only the person who gave you the rating can remove it.

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I also notice that you went one step ahead of the mob and gave a retaliatory feedback on Vod. So now you can rest in peace for this rating would never be removed even after an appeal to Vod.

Vod on fire today!

I have removed all fake negative trust.

If you are not aware, Vod is also a moderator wannabe for reddit, what is next? maybe Vod could start tagging ladies for not giving to their husbands?
When I say that Vod should be stopped people never listen to me.

I received fake negative trust score from https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vod-30747

The problem is that I never traded or even talked with him. As you can see in my trust the details, he does not even hide this fact.

He just gave me negative trust because he did not like what kind of services I was looking to buy.

How to remove fake negative trust?

Is there any admin I can complain to?