Topic: FBI arrests of LulzSec (Read 1444 times)
I miss them. Hearing about the shit they pulled in the news always made my day. Those boys were havin fun.
I hope Sabu understands that he is now subject to his own rhetoric. He should not be forgotten or forgiven.
Looks like he fucked up alot, too much personal info for someone with his stakes:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/stakeout-how-the-fbi-tracked-and-busted-a-chicago-anon.ars/2
I never had any kind of philosophical discussion with him, but in general that whole group seemed more focused on tearing down than building. It seemed the idea was everyone would eventually join in the system of "mutual aid and group consensus", but if they did not agree violence would be threatened and used to get their way. Thus leading to an ever growing circle (and cycle) of violence. It is better to start from imperfect yet stable then build and replace. "Do-ocracy" or whatever.
It kind of shows a failing of the NAP, any social structure (not saying the current one is ok) can be interpreted as committing violence towards the individual and therefore legitimatize an aggressive response.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/stakeout-how-the-fbi-tracked-and-busted-a-chicago-anon.ars/2
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"The alternative to the hierarchical power structure is based on mutual aid and group consensus. As hackers we can learn these systems, manipulate these systems, and shut down these systems if we need to."
I never had any kind of philosophical discussion with him, but in general that whole group seemed more focused on tearing down than building. It seemed the idea was everyone would eventually join in the system of "mutual aid and group consensus", but if they did not agree violence would be threatened and used to get their way. Thus leading to an ever growing circle (and cycle) of violence. It is better to start from imperfect yet stable then build and replace. "Do-ocracy" or whatever.
It kind of shows a failing of the NAP, any social structure (not saying the current one is ok) can be interpreted as committing violence towards the individual and therefore legitimatize an aggressive response.
I've met Hammond IRL, he seemed pretty cool, even let me play his trombone. Then either him or his brother (they're twins) stomped a dude with a swastika on his boot at a basement show. Caused a bunch of bullshit. Never thought I knew lulzsec. I don't remember seeing any of hammond's handle's in the earlier "doxings" though. Did he just show up later after Sabu was turned?
Him and I went at each other on chat. I tend to be less interested in physical retaliation and ever since a troll was planned regarding a certain group, he's been pissed at me. Our interaction was so consistent we'd know each other regardless of nick changes. Hammond was around way back in Operation Wisconsin and possibly earlier. His rhetoric just drove me nuts, but he got stuff done.
I've met Hammond IRL, he seemed pretty cool, even let me play his trombone. Then either him or his brother (they're twins) stomped a dude with a swastika on his boot at a basement show. Caused a bunch of bullshit. Never thought I knew lulzsec. I don't remember seeing any of hammond's handle's in the earlier "doxings" though. Did he just show up later after Sabu was turned?
We've moved on. Losing Topiary hurts like hell. Some have put Sabu behind them. Hammond was a rabid pyro but he did actually roll up his sleeves.
Ha, yea I made one in off-topic.
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