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Topic: Federalization : Good for Ukraine but bad for Siberia (Read 1941 times)

legendary
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Russia is already a federation Smiley

Yes, true but with very centralized federation.
All main decisions coming from Moscow.

I had a laugh at this. US is a very centralised federation with all main decisions coming from Washington, Germany is a very centralised federation with all main decisions coming from Berlin. Hell, EU is turning into an extremely centralised (con)federation with all main decisions coming from Brussels.  Grin
legendary
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Not easy to come an agreement soon between them!
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Can you explain who he is and what he does and why that bot posts so much?
legendary
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Russia is already a federation Smiley

Yes, true but with very centralized federation.
All main decisions coming from Moscow.
In Ukraine case this may be good solution to reconcile Russians in the east with the Ukrainians in the rest of country but it's question if they can agree what kind of federation (or how much Russians in Ukraine want to be connected with the Kiev) they want.
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What Moscow wanted for the rebels is not what the rebels necessarily want for themselves.  The rebels thought a token uprising would get them annexed like Crimea and they would get all the freebies (increase in pension and reconstruction funds).  Instead Russia wants them to remain in Ukraine and get federated.


Reality is, after reading on this subject for tens of hours, Moscow won't fully support the rebels due to

1.  Strelkov and his gang.  There's a weird combination of Stalinists and reactionaries who don't like liberal democracy in Russia and many of them dislike Putin.  Someone literally hanged a Brezhnev portrait outside of Strelkov's office (which is ironic as Strelkov plays dress up as a white reactionary and he has religious Cossacks and some Muslims backing him).

2.  Muslim insurgents supporting the DPR which creates an awkward situation.

3.  Threats of sanctions by EU


The situation for Russia is actually as good as it gets.  If Ukraine is occupied with the rebels and/or goes bankrupt, it won't press for Crimea to be returned and Russia wins.
legendary
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Russia is already a federation Smiley
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in defi we trust
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Can you explain the 247 bot?
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in defi we trust
Of course everyone that reads this sub-forum is aware of the plans Moscow would love to put in practice in Ukraine.
Many Russians officials argue that this is the only way to go...federalization..

But things change radically when it's about Russian territory:
A very intersecting read:

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-separatism-rally-siberia/26515418.html

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Russians, he said, may begin to ask "Why can there be separatism in Donetsk, and if that's fine, why can't there also be separatism in Russia, in Siberia?" 

Of course the most active pro Russian members here (247robot , Nemo or Balthazar) will rush to find their own news version of this so I'm going to help their search:

Those are articles from the Russian press about the Siberia march:

http://ria.ru/cj/20140801/1018486281.html
http://www.newsru.com/russia/01aug2014/siberiamarch.html

Yeah , surprise , they got deleted

The federal communications monitoring service has sent a letter demanding the interview be deleted for violating a recently passed law against "calls to mass unrest, extremist activities or participation in illegal public events".

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Russia's prosecutor general has issued warnings to 14 media outlets covering the protest under the country's extremism law, and blocked an event page for the march on Russia's most popular social network. The editor of Slon.ru, which was forced by the prosecutor general to remove an interview with Loskutov, later argued in a Facebook post that the article had not been in violation of the extremism law because it did not name a specific time or place. It also noted that the activists had not yet been given permission for the march.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/05/russia-bans-siberia-independence-march-extremism-law

Pretty interesting read , especially for some hot heads Wink



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