FIBA's EuroBasket is rigged with a proof

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on September 12, 2022, 04:56:10 PM

Nope, I will not think that these matches are rigged. There's no way that they'll obviously do such a thing. It is quite a cool coincidence that 3 consecutive matches was able to score the same scores as the previous matches. If this happens with an absurdly high or low score such as 70-80 or 130-100 then I might think of it as a rigged match but the scores are just normal range for a basketball match.

If only the scores I also doubt that it's rigged, it has to be on how they play and if there are intentional misses you have to show us the actual games for us to see if the teams are rigging the game, FIBA judges and officials will not let rigging to happen because the teams are not corporations or state-based but these are countries fighting for pride, no country will send a team to take part in rigging a game, they will lose pride as a nation, it can happen in leagues but unlikely in international tournaments.

Exactly, we are not naive enough to not believe that some matches are rigged by the players, the referees, the coaches or all of them working together at the same time, but it is not enough to look at the score of a match in order to be able to tell that this was the case.

We will need to see the actual game to see if there was something suspicious at the time that could have influenced the results one way or another, and if there is no evidence of this then we have no authority to say that the matches were rigged.

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LOL, what's the point to rig games in such way and how someone will benefit if 3 games will have identical final result. I add another one thing - 4th games of that day between Greece and Czech Republic ended 94:88 with Greece win. So, 4 winners of 4 that day games scored 94 points. If Czech Republic would have scored 2 points less, all 4 games would have identical result. Also, Czech Republic 4 games in a row scored 88 points.
Another video for your conspiracy theory, is it also rigged? Time is a flat circle 🌀 and we're living in a matrix! 🤯
https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/1570105579611226115
You're looking for conspiracy theories in wrong place. And yeah, referees control many things, but they can't control how many points will be scored.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 13, 2022, 05:38:37 AM

The guys with the wristles control the game in the end of the day. They can call a foul when it's not a foul and they can let things go by "unnoticed" if necessary.

The guys with the whistles don't score goals or points. As I said before, even if I were to believe in match fixing, such a precise result would be impossible unless both teams and the referee were corrupt at the same time. And you still haven't explained what would be the point of fixing an identical result in three games in a row? Who would benefit from it and in what way?

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It doesn't matter who plays against who, the NBA Finals have similar accusations all over YouTube for example.

Are you serious? You make your arguments based on crazy accusations from some random people on YouTube? I suggest you find a better source of information.
There are tons of flat-earthers all over YouTube, but that doesn't make Earth any less round than it is. Wink

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on September 12, 2022, 04:56:10 PM

Nope, I will not think that these matches are rigged. There's no way that they'll obviously do such a thing. It is quite a cool coincidence that 3 consecutive matches was able to score the same scores as the previous matches. If this happens with an absurdly high or low score such as 70-80 or 130-100 then I might think of it as a rigged match but the scores are just normal range for a basketball match.

If only the scores I also doubt that it's rigged, it has to be on how they play and if there are intentional misses you have to show us the actual games for us to see if the teams are rigging the game, FIBA judges and officials will not let rigging to happen because the teams are not corporations or state-based but these are countries fighting for pride, no country will send a team to take part in rigging a game, they will lose pride as a nation, it can happen in leagues but unlikely in international tournaments.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on September 13, 2022, 12:16:33 PM

Quote from: FatFork on September 12, 2022, 10:09:59 AM

If you were to go through the history of NBA games and analyze all the results, you'd find a lot of weird coincidences just like this one.

For example:
On March 15, 2021, San Antonio Spurs defeated Detroit Pistons 109-99; on the same night, just an hour later, Los Angeles Clippers defeated Dallas Mavericks 109-99. Just two days later, the Spurs beat the Bulls 109-99. Grin

That's interesting but it's not that suspicious because the games are separated unlike to the op's example where it happened 3 times in a row.

The matches are not separated because the first two were played on the same night (just an hour difference). And the third was the next game of the same team. But anyway, this is just one example I found after a quick search. I'm sure there are many such examples throughout the history of basketball (or any other sport, for that matter). My point was that such coincidences are possible and that it is nothing strange.

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Seriously, how likely is it that 3 games in a row will end up 94-86 each one?

Is this truly a coincidence?!

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Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

If I were the mastermind of rigging the game I would not instruct players or referees to make the scores so identical that will rose suspicious, I have not watched those games but it's not on the scores but how these players played the game that will arise suspiciously, Basketball is not won by a particular number on the scoreboard and how many numbers you're up against your opponent whether you're up by one or 50 points a win is still a win.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 13, 2022, 05:38:37 AM

The guys with the wristles control the game in the end of the day. They can call a foul when it's not a foul and they can let things go by "unnoticed" if necessary.
It doesn't matter who plays against who, the NBA Finals have similar accusations all over YouTube for example.

I agree, there are certain referees that are really quick when it comes to calling fouls and there are other referees that won't call a foul even if there's a lot of physical contact involved between the players. Favorable calls happen from time to time but it's not enough proof to say they're rigged knowing that some referees have been officiating for several years. I remember other bettors used to avoid NBA matches just because certain teams have a bad record against a certain referee.

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Quote from: FatFork on September 12, 2022, 10:09:59 AM

If you were to go through the history of NBA games and analyze all the results, you'd find a lot of weird coincidences just like this one.

For example:
On March 15, 2021, San Antonio Spurs defeated Detroit Pistons 109-99; on the same night, just an hour later, Los Angeles Clippers defeated Dallas Mavericks 109-99. Just two days later, the Spurs beat the Bulls 109-99. Grin

That's interesting but it's not that suspicious because the games are separated unlike to the op's example where it happened 3 times in a row. Basing only in the scores is not the best way to tell if the game is shady or not but there's more chance that we can tell it if we watch the game live or better if we are on the court.

In the event you found out that it was really a made up game, what will you do? Report them immediately? I think you will have a small chance to succeed with this and this is also risky because there must be a big group of people behind this. It would be better if we will just keep quiet and ignore the teams or events like this next time.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on September 13, 2022, 02:37:03 AM

Don't get me wrong but isn't it more harder to rig national games like these ones than just regular leagues?

The guys with the wristles control the game in the end of the day. They can call a foul when it's not a foul and they can let things go by "unnoticed" if necessary.
It doesn't matter who plays against who, the NBA Finals have similar accusations all over YouTube for example.

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Don't get me wrong but isn't it more harder to rig national games like these ones than just regular leagues? I mean these matches are carefully watched by many Basketball lovers around the world. I am sure it is extremely unlikely that 3 matches in a row has same results in sports like basketball. Although I also feel like its coincidence. You should have more proofs to support your argument like strange positions in the match (as example I mean).

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I don't think scores being the same can be counted as proof? I mean they're not exactly impossible to achieve, low chance yes, but not impossible. Not to mention that if this was about rigging the game for sports predictions, then I don't think they'd be dumb enough to do this 3 times in a row, not to mention the different teams involved. There's a high chance there'd be upheaval on the scene if that were the case. Maybe give other samples with the same teams involved or on the scene just in general. Would chalk it up to just coincidence though imo.

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What's the point of rigging basketball games and who would benefit the most?
AFAIK, those games are eliminations and the teams that lost actually wanted to win and continue in the next phase of the tournament.
What's the point of rigging three basketball games so that they could end with the same result? Is anyone betting on such outcome(multiple games ending with the same result)? I don't know about a sports betting platform, that offers such betting opportunity.
If the games were truly rigged, the people, who are rigging them would try everything they can to hide this. Ending in a same result looks too obvious. At the end of the day, such coincidences happen from time to time.

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What a load of rubbish. The 'evidence' is not such, as has been mentioned. It is not the first time someone has confused something improbable, and statistically curious, with something impossible.

Being struck by lightning is extremely unlikely, and a quarter of a million people are struck by lightning every year. Some of them a short time apart. Some people have been struck by lightning more than once in their lives, etc. The OP could apply the argument that clouds are 'rigged'.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

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Seriously, how likely is it that 3 games in a row will end up 94-86 each one?

Is this truly a coincidence?!

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Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

Things that may seem to be very unlikely happen all the time, how many people win the lottery each day with probabilities of less than one in a million? I don't really have the data but I suppose this happens every single day.

So when you think about that then three games which in a row end with the same score do not seem to be that special anymore, besides if whoever was cheating had such control over the games don't you think they'll try to make it less obvious?

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 12, 2022, 06:54:23 PM

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Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

Can you only provide one example? If you think that the on-going FIBA Eurobasket is rigged, there should be lots of examples.

Do you have a bet on that match, pre-game betting, or a live bet? Maybe you got the loss that's why you end up in that speculation and you should just accept it as that's part of the gambling.

Euro Basketball build its reputation for years. They won't ruin their reputation in FIBA games. Or if you are referring to officiating, there should be big controversies raised after that match.

We've seen nothing or issues been raised but cant really deny that out of those 3 games in a row ending up on the same results will really boggle up someones mind and having those
impressions that it might be rigged but those things would be really just staying up to be some hunch and as long its not been proven out then lets just simply ignore it out.
Scores could really be identical and having similar results doesnt automatically means that it was rigged.Its true that they wont really be messing up their reputation of the entire
organization that they had built up for too long.Rigged games does exist but as long it wont be proved out then we do just simply make those words.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

Can you only provide one example? If you think that the on-going FIBA Eurobasket is rigged, there should be lots of examples.

Do you have a bet on that match, pre-game betting, or a live bet? Maybe you got the loss that's why you end up in that speculation and you should just accept it as that's part of the gambling.

Euro Basketball build its reputation for years. They won't ruin their reputation in FIBA games. Or if you are referring to officiating, there should be big controversies raised after that match.

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It's not a proof as everyone says. I say it's a mere coincidence or luck. Team deciding what the final score is too hard as well.
Basketball is too hard to rigged just like what score shows. I wonder if there's a successful fixed match in basketball that includes a fixed number of score not just a win and loss.

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It's just pure coincidence for me, and I don't think that everyone or at least players of both teams are going to collude with each other to have the same score in the end. Because sooner or later, if FIBA found out, for sure sanctions are going to be imposed on those who get involved. As what we have a saying locally "the ball is round", meaning everything can happen that is totally unexpected.

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Nope, I will not think that these matches are rigged. There's no way that they'll obviously do such a thing. It is quite a cool coincidence that 3 consecutive matches was able to score the same scores as the previous matches. If this happens with an absurdly high or low score such as 70-80 or 130-100 then I might think of it as a rigged match but the scores are just normal range for a basketball match.

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Quote from: iv4n on September 12, 2022, 03:03:53 PM

This is not proof! I am trying to imagine how can this be done, but there's no way to rigge a basketball game like this, to be the exact same result in 3 games. I am not sure how many people should be involved in this and to make it happen, I simply can't imagine that situation!

It's easy to create conspiracy theories, and some of them can be true, but this looks too foolish to me!

Maybe this is just a perfect coincidence and having that kind of score in 3 games looks like it is well planned. This is still basketball though, and other countries are fighting for the title so I don’t think this theory is true and maybe the game just ended the same thing. Well, the chain broke in 4th game which I think this theory can now be invalidated.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Proof:
https://twitter.com/cryptosfaucets/status/1569024965391056898?s=20&t=kMy7E-HY2yNV-jEnzESVJw

Seriously, how likely is it that 3 games in a row will end up 94-86 each one?

Is this truly a coincidence?!

Cheesy

Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

Proof would be an undercover journalist recording the coach of each team stating that they're going to force the outcome before the game. You have provided proof of nothing but a statistical anomaly which is bound to crop up over time. Just the same way you might find 5 premier league matches turn up zero goals scored in a row - these players supposedly worth tens of millions cannot score goals, their only job? In reality if you care to type "Average points in a eurobasket game" and just browse the results, you'll see it is pretty much the average for a basketball game to end up within the 200 points scored range - which almost perfectly fits with the numbers you have presented. People have a great habit of seeing patterns where there are none, and three examples out of hundreds of basketball games played each year is a shockingly bad example and nowhere near evidence of anything.

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This is not proof! I am trying to imagine how can this be done, but there's no way to rigge a basketball game like this, to be the exact same result in 3 games. I am not sure how many people should be involved in this and to make it happen, I simply can't imagine that situation!

It's easy to create conspiracy theories, and some of them can be true, but this looks too foolish to me!

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Quote from: acroman08 on September 11, 2022, 03:00:53 PM

most likely a coincidence, I mean rigging a game so the score would be 94-86 is extremely hard especially if it is basketball. referees, single players or even several players being in on it(rigging the game) wouldn't be able to pull it off.

This is very true and also let's assume it was rigged, what would Fiba or anyone else gain from making these results? Just making fun of people, organization and game of basketball? As it was mentioned above, rigging a game like this is extremely hard, and having three games this way is also extremely hard.

Fiba have had huge problems in this tournament. Complaints are through the roof. Almost every team had an incident that and they complained. The referees are another issue. There were some horrible calls and horrible mistakes that caused result of the games were altered. But I don't think this rigging the game scores thing is an issue and it must be just a coincidence. There are bigger problems that are needed to be focused on.

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Proof doesn't mean what you think it means. Proof would be like a ref coming out and saying it was rigged and even with that there would be questions but it wouldn't held up in court. The best thing to do here is to find real proof, not a fact that you have seen three games ending in the same result, by logic if you win a game where you win 0.1% of the time, you could still win it 100 times in a row, is it improbable?

Of course, but it is not "impossible" so if you do it then you can't say it is rigged, same here, yeah 3 games in a row is unlikely, but it is still not impossible and proof of nothing. The game play by play doesn't mean anything at all neither.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

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Seriously, how likely is it that 3 games in a row will end up 94-86 each one?

Is this truly a coincidence?!

Cheesy

Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

I do think that this is purely based on coincidence. I mean, FIBA's EuroBasket is heavily regulated and secured given that it is done internationally. With that level of competition, I also doubt that the teams and the players would subject themselves to the potential risk of investigation in the event that they indeed rigged the match. This will not only destroy their reputation but also ruin their respective careers as well.

These things happen; even the things that may seem rigged happens coincidentally with all the odds and possibilities wanting to happen. In addition, if I were to rig a game, I would not ever do it three (3) games in a row with the same score- at least give it some gap per game to make it less obvious.

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I believe it can be coincidence, because if the games were rigged, why would they make 3 games in a row end up with the same exact result? When people want to fake something they disguise and mask it most as possible to lead the public to believe that was a normal, common and legit result. However, in the way is has happened on the situation above they would be bringing a lot of suspicion and concerns over them. Definitely not interesting for cheaters fixing matches.

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That IMO is just purely coincidence. What are they going to gain from making the scores the same across all games anyway? Wins on insider betting? The team managers are surely rich enough to not care about monetary profits. There are no viewership shares for FIBA teams, just plain competition of skills between countries. Also, a lot of analysts would surely be pointing their fingers if there is something amiss on the games that are being held on the said competition.

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If you were to go through the history of NBA games and analyze all the results, you'd find a lot of weird coincidences just like this one.

For example:
On March 15, 2021, San Antonio Spurs defeated Detroit Pistons 109-99; on the same night, just an hour later, Los Angeles Clippers defeated Dallas Mavericks 109-99. Just two days later, the Spurs beat the Bulls 109-99. Grin

Source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_games-march.html

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It's Fiba Euro and I wonder if there's really an intention to do this. IMO, this is just a coincidence. Well, these circumstances and results can be shown maybe a few times in a life time.
But to think that this is a rig, I don't think that the whole FIBA EURO will put a stain on their reputation for being a league that's known and with reputable players/athletes.

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Quote from: Rikafip on September 12, 2022, 05:59:17 AM

You can find "move topic" button in the bottom left corner.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Seriously, how likely is it that 3 games in a row will end up 94-86 each one?

Chances are very low, but it is possible of course.

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Is this truly a coincidence?!

Yes, just a coincidence.

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

You would need players and coaches involved in that as well, not just the referees. And even with all of them them involved it would be extremely hard to rig something like that.

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Yes, you make sense. How do you move the thread please?

You can find "move topic" button in the bottom left corner.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 11, 2022, 10:38:19 PM

Both 94 and 86 are not uncommon scores in basketball (not like e.g. 49 or 162).

3 times in a row (almost 4, with the Czech Republic adding 2 pts to that number)...

It's extremely unlikely.

Check the play by play record if you want to see more:

https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/game/1109/Ukraine-Poland#|tab=play_by_play

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1st free throw made

Now why would Ukraine foul if they are losing by 7 points with 5 seconds to go? Or to be more precise, why would the ref call it a foul? (check the replay please!)

Here's another one for you:

https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/game/1109/Finland-Croatia#tab=play_by_play

Why another foul is called, 21 seconds to go surprisingly this time no one is fouling.

This one as well with Italy:
https://www.fiba.basketball/eurobasket/2022/game/1109/Serbia-Italy#|tab=play_by_play

Again a foul called 5 seconds to go.

Not that this number (94-86) has any meaning (it's not even part of the odds - maybe the spread/total in live betting) - but you gotta ask yourself these questions about the integrity of these events.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Proof:

That's not proof.

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Seriously, how likely is it that 3 games in a row will end up 94-86 each one?

Why don't you tell us. Is it 1 in a million, one in a billion, etc probability?

Quote from: bitbollo on September 11, 2022, 04:34:34 PM

Statistically these results are hard to be achieved (3 in a row)

Again, how "hard"? Where is the math?

Both 94 and 86 are not uncommon scores in basketball (not like e.g. 49 or 162).

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Quote from: acroman08 on September 11, 2022, 03:00:53 PM

anyway, the thread would be more appropriate for gambling discussion instead of here on the scam accusation board.

Yes, you make sense. How do you move the thread please?

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yes this topic belong definitely to gambling board...
if you don't have any valid (and real) proof , such kinds of comments are just pure speculation, baseless accusation Sad

Statistically these results are hard to be achieved (3 in a row) but it can happens! It's really hard if not really impossible for a referee have such interference with final score. I don't think there is any rigged match here Sad

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most likely a coincidence, I mean rigging a game so the score would be 94-86 is extremely hard especially if it is basketball. referees, single players or even several players being in on it(rigging the game) wouldn't be able to pull it off.

anyway, the thread would be more appropriate for gambling discussion instead of here on the scam accusation board.

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on September 11, 2022, 01:10:39 PM

Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

I think it's unlikely that the matches were rigged, though if they were, they certainly wouldn't do it so blatantly obvious. In this case, I'm betting on pure coincidence.

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Proof:
https://twitter.com/cryptosfaucets/status/1569024965391056898?s=20&t=kMy7E-HY2yNV-jEnzESVJw

Seriously, how likely is it that 3 games in a row will end up 94-86 each one?

Is this truly a coincidence?!

Cheesy

Or perhaps we can all say that FIBA is rigging the games somehow using the referees or through something like that.

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