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October 11, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
#95
Buying bitcoin because you think a total economic collapse is imminent is a little extreme (but could happen).

Buying bitcoin because you see it as a great hedge against ongoing (and rising) inflation is smart.
Well , there are always going to be individuals that like to put on their tin foil hats, I remember hearing the same about gold 10 years ago, and while gold is a great investment, if the collapse was imminent I will prefer to have guns, ammo, medicines, food and water before having gold, so it seems the story is repeating but I do not mind because even if people are buying for the wrong reasons they are still taking the right decision.
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October 10, 2017, 12:59:43 PM
#94
How if financial crash occurs that would mean inflation rates will increase and when inflation increases how will people be able to purchase more bitcoin when they are not able to meet there daily expenses
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October 08, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
#93
Bitcoin has got to get a hell of a lot less volatile before it's a safe haven form of money.

Indeed, let's do a x10 first.
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October 08, 2017, 12:48:38 PM
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New data from investing.com suggests, however, that it’s not just Venezuelan citizens that are turning to cryptocurrencies as fiat currencies collapse. The investment portal researched the top ten countries accessing cryptocurrency across its platform and noticed an interesting trend.

Citizens of countries with failing currencies in every part of the globe seem to be turning to crypto for investment and wealth protection, even amid the chaotic struggles of fiat currencies.

Venezuela - 36%, Colombia - 18%, Argentina - 15%, Belarus - 13%, Ukraine - 11%, Brazil - 11%, Germany - 10%, UK - 8%, Egypt - 7%, Russia - 6%. The five countries with the worst-performing currencies of 2017 are Venezuela, Argentina, Belarus, UK, and Egypt, and all of them made it onto the top ten list.

The huge number of investors turning to cryptocurrencies in these fiscally challenged countries may be a major factor driving the exponential rise of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies over the past month.

Even as these struggling economies fight to regain stability of their fiat currencies, the prices of digital currencies have been moving higher. The influx of huge amounts of cash from depressed regions into cryptos may well be the cause of the boom. While the massive increase in price may retract over time, the mainstream acceptance of cryptocurrencies will only drive demand further.


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There are people who are wondering what can happen to Bitcoin if there would be economic and political chaos? Will it mean that Bitcoin will surge in price or will it withered and be likewise chaotic? I think what is happening in Venezuela right now is just a foretaste of what can happen when an economy can go down to the bridge...Bitcoin can come to the rescue and can be a source of some stability and access to the outside world.

While, of course, we are not wishing any country's economy to go down the floor, having some Bitcoin and getting involved in Bitcoin can be an insurance just in case something like a Venezuela will happen to our country. This has evolved to be one of the many functions of Bitcoin as we see it.
It is a sure thing that is going to happen, every time the economy has troubles gold and silver go up a lot, in fact bitcoin came a few weeks after the latest economic crisis, and every time something goes wrong with the economy bitcoin does great, so if the economy of the world failed then it is very obvious that bitcoin is going to do nothing but to go up which is good news for us.

Too 3 countries are fron South Amerman, I knew that they are involved in crypto world, but I didn't except they are so high on the list. Crypto currencies have much more influence in countries where there is huge problems with economy, people from there have more trust in crypto currencies then in their monetary politic and government. Bitcoins and other altcoins have a future, and every year more people are involved. In just one year this list will look different and numbers will be much higher.
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October 08, 2017, 11:15:34 AM
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New data from investing.com suggests, however, that it’s not just Venezuelan citizens that are turning to cryptocurrencies as fiat currencies collapse. The investment portal researched the top ten countries accessing cryptocurrency across its platform and noticed an interesting trend.

Citizens of countries with failing currencies in every part of the globe seem to be turning to crypto for investment and wealth protection, even amid the chaotic struggles of fiat currencies.

Venezuela - 36%, Colombia - 18%, Argentina - 15%, Belarus - 13%, Ukraine - 11%, Brazil - 11%, Germany - 10%, UK - 8%, Egypt - 7%, Russia - 6%. The five countries with the worst-performing currencies of 2017 are Venezuela, Argentina, Belarus, UK, and Egypt, and all of them made it onto the top ten list.

The huge number of investors turning to cryptocurrencies in these fiscally challenged countries may be a major factor driving the exponential rise of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies over the past month.

Even as these struggling economies fight to regain stability of their fiat currencies, the prices of digital currencies have been moving higher. The influx of huge amounts of cash from depressed regions into cryptos may well be the cause of the boom. While the massive increase in price may retract over time, the mainstream acceptance of cryptocurrencies will only drive demand further.


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There are people who are wondering what can happen to Bitcoin if there would be economic and political chaos? Will it mean that Bitcoin will surge in price or will it withered and be likewise chaotic? I think what is happening in Venezuela right now is just a foretaste of what can happen when an economy can go down to the bridge...Bitcoin can come to the rescue and can be a source of some stability and access to the outside world.

While, of course, we are not wishing any country's economy to go down the floor, having some Bitcoin and getting involved in Bitcoin can be an insurance just in case something like a Venezuela will happen to our country. This has evolved to be one of the many functions of Bitcoin as we see it.
It is a sure thing that is going to happen, every time the economy has troubles gold and silver go up a lot, in fact bitcoin came a few weeks after the latest economic crisis, and every time something goes wrong with the economy bitcoin does great, so if the economy of the world failed then it is very obvious that bitcoin is going to do nothing but to go up which is good news for us.
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October 07, 2017, 02:07:35 PM
#90
Bitcoin is being treated as a safe haven investment by many investors, because bitcoin is not being control by any countries government and banks, and thus the commonly financial news which are negative in reports does not affect bitcoin values much, so I would say whenever the stocks market crashes, you could always see a huge rise in price on crypto-currencies markets.
I don't think that it will lead to bitcoin boom, but it will be beneficial for all the cryptocurrencies in general. As bitcoin is the best investment so far we have seen and it is graded as the best investment because it isn't under the control of any country so there would not be any kind of manipulation in its price,also the countries are afraid of it because of the same fact. Also there are many people interested in bitcoin who live in countries with lots of corruption and which are in a financial crisis like Argentina and Greece and coming of people from those countries means bitcoin boom.
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October 07, 2017, 01:11:20 PM
#89
Bitcoin is being treated as a safe haven investment by many investors, because bitcoin is not being control by any countries government and banks, and thus the commonly financial news which are negative in reports does not affect bitcoin values much, so I would say whenever the stocks market crashes, you could always see a huge rise in price on crypto-currencies markets.
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October 07, 2017, 01:02:08 PM
#88
Buying bitcoin because you think a total economic collapse is imminent is a little extreme (but could happen).

Buying bitcoin because you see it as a great hedge against ongoing (and rising) inflation is smart.
If the total economic crisis that bitcoin will not help. I also try to keep your savings in bitcoin but I do it in the hope that the crisis will be. In any crisis it will be impossible to spend the money. Can be fulfilled the prediction that bitcoin will be worth 1 million dollars but for the money you can buy one carton of cigarettes. I don't want that. Better to let everything be as it is now.
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October 07, 2017, 12:00:50 PM
#87
If my country's economy showed signs of collapsing, I'd definitely diversify, and part of that would be into Bitcoins. Since it's one of the more stable cryptos (as far as not dying goes), it's the best storage of value available. If others adopt the same mindset, then Bitcoin will boom for sure. I don't wish economic collapse on anyone though.
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October 07, 2017, 11:48:25 AM
#86
Buying bitcoin because you think a total economic collapse is imminent is a little extreme (but could happen).

Buying bitcoin because you see it as a great hedge against ongoing (and rising) inflation is smart.
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October 07, 2017, 11:44:56 AM
#85
Bitcoin can not ensure the functioning of the state. If the country's economic collapse that will have nowhere to spend your money. What will you buy on a desert island? To move to a permanent residence in another country is also problematic. Even if your account has a lot of bitcoins. Therefore, bitcoin cannot exist without Fiat.
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October 07, 2017, 05:15:16 AM
#84
What is happening in Venezuela currently is actually an eye-opening to how bitcoin can actually intervening during financial crisis. Bitcoin actually can create stability since it is decentralised and the cost of production lower compared to fiat. Bitcoin should be adopted into most of the developing world so that the cost of using and producing fiat will reduced. 
That's correct, but you're talking about a collapse of a national currency  in a single and not so economically important country. I think if the financial collapse can be contained it will cause a Bitcoin boom, but if it spreads to all the neighboring countries, making it impossible for people to move to another country for work and making it impossible for a country to borrow money from someone, it would be a tragedy. Bitcoin wouldn't be able to help in such case.
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October 07, 2017, 03:21:25 AM
#83
if there is any chaos happen, bitcoin price will be increase too high because the economy and the financial for every country will be disturbed and the one currency which is only used in internet will be applying in real life. i think if its happen, then bitcoin will gets stable because every country is using bitcoin and people don't want to see the bitcoin is too volatile because in that time, bitcoin become one single currency that is using by all country. and in that time, I think bitcoin is the only currency that will work for the economy and maybe bitcoin will change the economy and financial for every country to be one united currency.
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October 06, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
#82
There are people who are wondering what can happen to Bitcoin if there would be economic and political chaos? Will it mean that Bitcoin will surge in price or will it withered and be likewise chaotic? I think what is happening in Venezuela right now is just a foretaste of what can happen when an economy can go down to the bridge...Bitcoin can come to the rescue and can be a source of some stability and access to the outside world.

While, of course, we are not wishing any country's economy to go down the floor, having some Bitcoin and getting involved in Bitcoin can be an insurance just in case something like a Venezuela will happen to our country. This has evolved to be one of the many functions of Bitcoin as we see it.

With what is happening to the world right now like there is about to be a war and some economic uncertainties, people would want to preserve their wealth especially those rich people who would find ways to maintain their status and their wealth as well and bitcoin is one of the lucrative option because aside from it being accessible everywhere, it can go up in value because of the demand that it would attract to people who wanted their funds to be safe. Bitcoin is a big help for those people who have lose hope in their fiat currency like Venezuela who is suffering an unbelievable hyper inflation. Though it may have a positive impact to the bitcoin being in demand, still there should be a solution to this economic crisis they are suffering right now.
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October 06, 2017, 09:50:38 PM
#81
if there was a real financial collapse bitcoin would turn to dust too. maybe the people writing here trust it, no one else does. people would run to gold or dollars just like always.

it's a nice idea but bitcoin's time hasn't come yet as a lifeboat. it's still a get rich quick scheme in the minds of most people who put money in and they're also the most panicky people on earth judging by the movements to the slightest scary news.

it would be nice to be proven wrong. i don't think i would be. the handful of people in places like venezuela who do use bitcoin are benefiting from the commodity boom that's fueled it that's lasted for years. they're hanging on the coattails of general market success in first world countries.

When a financial collapse happens, nobody would turn to the dollar. It just doesn't make any sense - the dollar is already worthless in a hyperinflationary scenario, and to pick up some dollars would simply be suicide.

I think that gold and silver will still be used for transactions and storing value in a financial collapse, however with bitcoin it's just so much simpler and convenient.

though i have nothing to back up my points with, i think that once the inevitable collapse of fiat occurs, people will turn to bitcoin.
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October 06, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
#80
Basically this is the hard truth and I know most of us given the opportunity to pick one to fall...they would pick the Financial collapse because they have a stash full of bitcoins but then again there are no short cuts to see bitcoin boom, lets keep growing the crypto family to bring in demand and later on surge in prices.
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October 06, 2017, 04:01:58 PM
#79
What is happening in Venezuela currently is actually an eye-opening to how bitcoin can actually intervening during financial crisis. Bitcoin actually can create stability since it is decentralised and the cost of production lower compared to fiat. Bitcoin should be adopted into most of the developing world so that the cost of using and producing fiat will reduced. 
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October 06, 2017, 03:05:39 PM
#78
It depends on how huge that collapse would be. If we're talking about a country - sure thing, bitcoin will boom. If we're talking about a whole continent or a group of countries, like the EU - possibly. IMO it still would explode off that. If a global financial collapse were to happen you are better off stacking your food and water than worrying about investments like BTC. Most people have no investments, just money in a bank. If they can't use it they'll starve and most of them will prefer to kill for food than starve to death.
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October 06, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
#77
I think if we check on what is happening today to some parts of the world we could make a conclusion, that it could also happen to us all, let's.take a look at zimbabwe, yheir current fiat, is of no value, but if you take a look at their exchanges, the value of bitcoin is higher, vomoared to the rest of the world, this is simply, though they do lack technology, they still wanted to be financially free, and so they rely on bitcoin. Another country that has its fiat, lower thqn others is japan, though japan is technologically advanced , their japandese yen still has small buying power, thus they use bitcoins, the same also goes to othef asian countries had legalized bitcoin, since  their fiat has a low value,  they tend to use another, it may not sound a financial collapse, but if you look at it closely, asian countries are having  hard time battling inflation, since there is no asian country, whose fiat is of higer value than the dollar.
I was even surprised Zimbabwe is not on that list. I thought they had the worst economic downtrend. However, looking at the present trend going on in Zimbabwe and the rate at which her citizens are pulling their funds straight into purchasing bitcoin, it really caused a spike in the bitcoin price in the exchanges in Zimbabwe which made it to be selling about $7500, that is at least 3000 above the normal price.

This scenario shows that most citizens of this country with such meltdown will most definitely shift gears to finding a better alternative and with bitcoin coming on a platter of gold, then it sure will cause a boom.
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October 05, 2017, 01:33:50 PM
#76
One key point that a lot of people in the bitcoin space don't consider is the fact that you must be making a big mistake dreaming with a doomsday scenario in order to profit from it by holding bitcoin.

There is a certain threshold where civil order is lost, and in that case, your bitcoin will not save you. We have to be careful with what we wish for. Im ok with financial crisis similar to 2008, but be wary of the fact that if it gets worse, it may have an impact on bitcoin itself due hashrate going down from the technical perspective and due your own life being at risk from the obvious perspective of a situation of danger.

I hope that we don't need to see violence for people to understand the importance of holding bitcoin.
Human greed is limitless. When they feel the profit they do not think about what will happen next. The main thing for them now. It seems to me that instead of dreaming about the increase in the price of bitcoin needs to focus on creating conditions for development of trade for bitcoins. It will bring much more benefit.

Well, there's people that apparently are addicted to creating discomfort in the world to profit from it. The famous investors George Soros seems to be a guy that thinks the world is his chessboard and he moves certain things to cause a mess and profit from that mess while he is in some comfortable bunker.

Im not sure how much of that is conspiracy or how much is true, but im sure the high finance magnates are all psychopaths ready to manipulate the world and cause social damage if it fits his agenda, his agenda being to increase his portfolio. I don't want to be like that, so I hope no one has to suffer a lot in order for me to get rich with bitcoin.
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October 05, 2017, 09:03:44 AM
#75
One key point that a lot of people in the bitcoin space don't consider is the fact that you must be making a big mistake dreaming with a doomsday scenario in order to profit from it by holding bitcoin.

There is a certain threshold where civil order is lost, and in that case, your bitcoin will not save you. We have to be careful with what we wish for. Im ok with financial crisis similar to 2008, but be wary of the fact that if it gets worse, it may have an impact on bitcoin itself due hashrate going down from the technical perspective and due your own life being at risk from the obvious perspective of a situation of danger.

I hope that we don't need to see violence for people to understand the importance of holding bitcoin.
Human greed is limitless. When they feel the profit they do not think about what will happen next. The main thing for them now. It seems to me that instead of dreaming about the increase in the price of bitcoin needs to focus on creating conditions for development of trade for bitcoins. It will bring much more benefit.
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October 05, 2017, 08:24:54 AM
#74
One key point that a lot of people in the bitcoin space don't consider is the fact that you must be making a big mistake dreaming with a doomsday scenario in order to profit from it by holding bitcoin.

There is a certain threshold where civil order is lost, and in that case, your bitcoin will not save you. We have to be careful with what we wish for. Im ok with financial crisis similar to 2008, but be wary of the fact that if it gets worse, it may have an impact on bitcoin itself due hashrate going down from the technical perspective and due your own life being at risk from the obvious perspective of a situation of danger.

I hope that we don't need to see violence for people to understand the importance of holding bitcoin.
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October 05, 2017, 07:32:16 AM
#73
I disagree with you. The popularity of bitcoin is growing precisely for the reason that now all over the world have problems with the financial system. The economies of all countries have to lend to the U.S. economy. This leads to the impoverishment of countries and people and therefore people are looking for other sources of income.
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October 05, 2017, 07:07:29 AM
#72
Yes, financial collapse means bitcoin rise, and a big one is coming... there are 10-years cycle in stocks market, and we are going to see a big crash in the next 18months...
That's based on historical events, which not at all might be relevent for what's going to happen in the forthcoming years. People have been expecting a collapse of the US economy some years ago, and it didn't happen, then it was the USD that was due for a collapse, and yet again, it didn't happen.

Prepare to see bitcoin going to the moon
With or without a financial collapse, this will happen anyway. The demand for something like Bitcoin is only growing, and we have to take into consideration that this is just the beginning - if the average joes at some point come on board, we'll be up for even more fireworks. Bitcoin's store of value aspect will gain more and more ground in the forthcoming years, that's guaranteed.
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October 05, 2017, 06:15:45 AM
#71
Venezuela economic collapse leads to a serious discussion on the fiat currency economy managed by central authorities. People all around the world are looking for a currency which gives them a stable and secure economy. Gold seems to be a good solution to this problem, but being in hard physical form, it is difficult to make day to day transactions with gold. With technological advancement, crypto-currency like BITCOIN seems to be an alternative solution as it's transaction is easy, fast and cheap.
I think if there would be economic and political chaos...Bitcoin price will surges as it is decentralized and beyond the control of central authorities.

Yes I agree that decentralized currency is beyond the control of the government authorities due to its an investment product that is digital, which mainly used as a trading platform of an online business. I believed that economic and political chaos might be a good ways to help the bitcoin price to surge as well, because people in a centralized fiat currency will divert their money to bitcoin, by the time fiat currency economy will crash.

That is something that most countries use. In Europe they rely on Euro, on west they really on USD and on east more on Yen. This is how thing are opperations all over the world but prime one for all is USD.

But like mentioned here and on other topic similar related, technology is advancing fast and this will have to be that in some point all world countries will see that alternative is crypto not just bitcoin, mostly cuz of transactions very low fees, comparing if you send 1 million dollars to another account you will have to pay 1% or more less this depend from bank in bitcoin all fees are same no mater how many you send, this is one of possible good solution for sending large amount.This also will represent a problem cuz if this goes global for adoption of crypto how will be small transactions let say we go to store and just buy milk and coffee.
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October 04, 2017, 02:12:17 PM
#70
Venezuela economic collapse leads to a serious discussion on the fiat currency economy managed by central authorities. People all around the world are looking for a currency which gives them a stable and secure economy. Gold seems to be a good solution to this problem, but being in hard physical form, it is difficult to make day to day transactions with gold. With technological advancement, crypto-currency like BITCOIN seems to be an alternative solution as it's transaction is easy, fast and cheap.
I think if there would be economic and political chaos...Bitcoin price will surges as it is decentralized and beyond the control of central authorities.

Yes I agree that decentralized currency is beyond the control of the government authorities due to its an investment product that is digital, which mainly used as a trading platform of an online business. I believed that economic and political chaos might be a good ways to help the bitcoin price to surge as well, because people in a centralized fiat currency will divert their money to bitcoin, by the time fiat currency economy will crash.
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October 04, 2017, 01:36:42 PM
#69
Venezuela economic collapse leads to a serious discussion on the fiat currency economy managed by central authorities. People all around the world are looking for a currency which gives them a stable and secure economy. Gold seems to be a good solution to this problem, but being in hard physical form, it is difficult to make day to day transactions with gold. With technological advancement, crypto-currency like BITCOIN seems to be an alternative solution as it's transaction is easy, fast and cheap.
I think if there would be economic and political chaos...Bitcoin price will surges as it is decentralized and beyond the control of central authorities.
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October 04, 2017, 01:27:46 PM
#68
Yes, financial collapse means bitcoin rise, and a big one is coming... there are 10-years cycle in stocks market, and we are going to see a big crash in the next 18months...

Prepare to see bitcoin going to the moon
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October 04, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
#67
Bitcoin's price has jumped today. It was about $4200 yesterday morning, and it's now $4435.

If I was a Catalan I'd be buying bitcoin especially as the Catalan govt has announced it will declare independence on Oct 6th. The financial markets are going to be roiled, so it makes sense for Spanish and Catalans alike to put some money in bitcoin to preserve their savings.

Seriously? I doubt Bitcoin is on anyone's radar in Catalan right now. It's barely scratching the surface of mainstream investment in general. Cryptocurrency may be one of the hottest investments of the year, but it's obviously one of the riskiest asset classes available on the markets from looking at volatility.

If I was worried that my savings were in danger due to economic collapse/disruption, I would put them into safe assets like gold and US dollars. Especially considering the recent gains in crypto. Sure, we could see new highs soon, but the price could also drop in half in a few days.

It all depends on how easy it is to buy US dollars or gold, isn't it?

For the Catalans, not at all - they won't be able to open US dollar bank accounts. Buying gold is hard too - not may places sell gold coins, mostly it is jewelry that is marked up. Some might just withdraw euros and keep them at home in case something happens to the banking system. Buying bitcoin by contrast is easy and quick, and you can simply hide your wallet.dat on a USB stick.

Buying bitcoins is rarely "easy and quick" for anyone in the world. Are ATMs (where people get reamed by 10%+ fees) even available there? Wiring money to exchanges takes time and costs transfer / currency exchange fees. And more importantly, there is the knowledge gap.

Most Catalans (like everyone else in the world) likely know nothing about Bitcoin. And among those that do, few are technically savvy enough to quickly (and safely) convert their wealth into bitcoins.

One doesn't need to open US dollar bank accounts to hold US dollars. And the currency exchange fees must be paid if wiring money to exchanges to buy bitcoins as well. I suspect it is significantly easier to buy gold than bitcoins, just like it is in most places.

And this is why you want to learn about bitcoin and have everything ready BEFORE shit hits the fan and everything goes south. Of course you can't wait until the last moment because chances are you will be too nervous and screw up and lose your private keys if you manage to buy. People should start thinking 3 steps ahead and getting bitcoin already instead of wondering "why do I want to hold bitcoin? I dont need it". You never know when your government may be into big trouble, and if that happens, those that think ahead will profit the most. Imagine if you were a Venezuelan and predicted the inflationary nightmare of your government and bought earlier, or when Cyprus had a massive bailout predicting that in beforehand and owning BTC. You have to think and act before it's too late.
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October 03, 2017, 05:49:46 PM
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Bitcoin's price has jumped today. It was about $4200 yesterday morning, and it's now $4435.

If I was a Catalan I'd be buying bitcoin especially as the Catalan govt has announced it will declare independence on Oct 6th. The financial markets are going to be roiled, so it makes sense for Spanish and Catalans alike to put some money in bitcoin to preserve their savings.

Seriously? I doubt Bitcoin is on anyone's radar in Catalan right now. It's barely scratching the surface of mainstream investment in general. Cryptocurrency may be one of the hottest investments of the year, but it's obviously one of the riskiest asset classes available on the markets from looking at volatility.

If I was worried that my savings were in danger due to economic collapse/disruption, I would put them into safe assets like gold and US dollars. Especially considering the recent gains in crypto. Sure, we could see new highs soon, but the price could also drop in half in a few days.

It all depends on how easy it is to buy US dollars or gold, isn't it?

For the Catalans, not at all - they won't be able to open US dollar bank accounts. Buying gold is hard too - not may places sell gold coins, mostly it is jewelry that is marked up. Some might just withdraw euros and keep them at home in case something happens to the banking system. Buying bitcoin by contrast is easy and quick, and you can simply hide your wallet.dat on a USB stick.

Buying bitcoins is rarely "easy and quick" for anyone in the world. Are ATMs (where people get reamed by 10%+ fees) even available there? Wiring money to exchanges takes time and costs transfer / currency exchange fees. And more importantly, there is the knowledge gap.

Most Catalans (like everyone else in the world) likely know nothing about Bitcoin. And among those that do, few are technically savvy enough to quickly (and safely) convert their wealth into bitcoins.

One doesn't need to open US dollar bank accounts to hold US dollars. And the currency exchange fees must be paid if wiring money to exchanges to buy bitcoins as well. I suspect it is significantly easier to buy gold than bitcoins, just like it is in most places.
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October 03, 2017, 04:17:18 PM
#65
I think if we check on what is happening today to some parts of the world we could make a conclusion, that it could also happen to us all, let's.take a look at zimbabwe, yheir current fiat, is of no value, but if you take a look at their exchanges, the value of bitcoin is higher, vomoared to the rest of the world, this is simply, though they do lack technology, they still wanted to be financially free, and so they rely on bitcoin. Another country that has its fiat, lower thqn others is japan, though japan is technologically advanced , their japandese yen still has small buying power, thus they use bitcoins, the same also goes to othef asian countries had legalized bitcoin, since  their fiat has a low value,  they tend to use another, it may not sound a financial collapse, but if you look at it closely, asian countries are having  hard time battling inflation, since there is no asian country, whose fiat is of higer value than the dollar.
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October 03, 2017, 10:05:34 AM
#64
if there was a real financial collapse bitcoin would turn to dust too. maybe the people writing here trust it, no one else does. people would run to gold or dollars just like always.

it's a nice idea but bitcoin's time hasn't come yet as a lifeboat. it's still a get rich quick scheme in the minds of most people who put money in and they're also the most panicky people on earth judging by the movements to the slightest scary news.

it would be nice to be proven wrong. i don't think i would be. the handful of people in places like venezuela who do use bitcoin are benefiting from the commodity boom that's fueled it that's lasted for years. they're hanging on the coattails of general market success in first world countries.

It depends on what you consider a "financial collapse". Something that would turn into massive riots on the street worse than 2008 maybe not, but 2008 type of event? I think Bitcoin would shine. Why not? you can store your value there, and it will be safe, if the rest of holders realize this, the price will not crash, but ultimately your X BTC will remain X BTC in your wallet. You can NOT definitely say this applies to the legacy banking system, and gold can be easily confiscated.

Looks like all pathways lead to BTC as being the ideal place to be in a financial collapse and it's not because im a holder, im just applying logic, I dont see a better alternative.

Both of you are right, and both of you have some good conclusions. Bitcoin is still get rich quick scheme for many people, and it's true that this people are in panic on first bad news.
Financial collapse makes people to turn to some alternatives, and bitcoin is that alternative. Yes people will buy gold, real estates, or what ever but now they can buy bitcoins or some other alt, we can choose and that is important.
We wish to have our money on safe place, and its big question for each of us is where to keep and save money. In case of financial collapse I believe that my money would be safer on blockchain. That is just my opinion, if we are smart we will have eggs in many baskets.
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if there was a real financial collapse bitcoin would turn to dust too. maybe the people writing here trust it, no one else does. people would run to gold or dollars just like always.

it's a nice idea but bitcoin's time hasn't come yet as a lifeboat. it's still a get rich quick scheme in the minds of most people who put money in and they're also the most panicky people on earth judging by the movements to the slightest scary news.

it would be nice to be proven wrong. i don't think i would be. the handful of people in places like venezuela who do use bitcoin are benefiting from the commodity boom that's fueled it that's lasted for years. they're hanging on the coattails of general market success in first world countries.

It depends on what you consider a "financial collapse". Something that would turn into massive riots on the street worse than 2008 maybe not, but 2008 type of event? I think Bitcoin would shine. Why not? you can store your value there, and it will be safe, if the rest of holders realize this, the price will not crash, but ultimately your X BTC will remain X BTC in your wallet. You can NOT definitely say this applies to the legacy banking system, and gold can be easily confiscated.

Looks like all pathways lead to BTC as being the ideal place to be in a financial collapse and it's not because im a holder, im just applying logic, I dont see a better alternative.
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October 02, 2017, 04:02:23 PM
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There are people who are wondering what can happen to Bitcoin if there would be economic and political chaos? Will it mean that Bitcoin will surge in price or will it withered and be likewise chaotic? I think what is happening in Venezuela right now is just a foretaste of what can happen when an economy can go down to the bridge...Bitcoin can come to the rescue and can be a source of some stability and access to the outside world.

While, of course, we are not wishing any country's economy to go down the floor, having some Bitcoin and getting involved in Bitcoin can be an insurance just in case something like a Venezuela will happen to our country. This has evolved to be one of the many functions of Bitcoin as we see it.

A currency crisis is different from an economic collapse. If the economy really collapses, it will take down Bitcoin with it too. In Venezuela, due to the government's bungling, the official fiat currency has become worthless.
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if there was a real financial collapse bitcoin would turn to dust too. maybe the people writing here trust it, no one else does. people would run to gold or dollars just like always.

it's a nice idea but bitcoin's time hasn't come yet as a lifeboat. it's still a get rich quick scheme in the minds of most people who put money in and they're also the most panicky people on earth judging by the movements to the slightest scary news.

it would be nice to be proven wrong. i don't think i would be. the handful of people in places like venezuela who do use bitcoin are benefiting from the commodity boom that's fueled it that's lasted for years. they're hanging on the coattails of general market success in first world countries.
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Taken from here...

There are people who are wondering what can happen to Bitcoin if there would be economic and political chaos? Will it mean that Bitcoin will surge in price or will it withered and be likewise chaotic? I think what is happening in Venezuela right now is just a foretaste of what can happen when an economy can go down to the bridge...Bitcoin can come to the rescue and can be a source of some stability and access to the outside world.

While, of course, we are not wishing any country's economy to go down the floor, having some Bitcoin and getting involved in Bitcoin can be an insurance just in case something like a Venezuela will happen to our country. This has evolved to be one of the many functions of Bitcoin as we see it.

I've been seeing this trend lately especially when there is some crisis in a country. People tend to transfer a percentage of their fiat to BTC to preserve the value of their money. The monetary value of a country who's under in a crisis goes down and to avoid the loss accompanied by it, people buy BTC. We can't hide the fact that this is really happening right now but it doesn't necessarily mean that BTC will boom and go to moon because of it. This just proves that many people are starting to put value to BTC and see this as a currency that can't be affected by economic crisis whatsoever.
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It's not at all necessary that financial crisis means Bitcoin boom. Forget about Bitcoin there are many examples out there where w company has to face alot of loss but with the hard work of employees and also innovative ideas , the company was back on its foot. So even Bitcoin will face major drops but still I'm confident enough that it will rise back
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.


Im surprised to not see any threads about this. If they actually go through with it and declare Independence unilaterally, it could cause a lot of problems. If it becomes an international problem outside of Spain, it could escalate quickly to an European crisis, in this sense, BTC could become a very strong safe haven, as it always is thanks to Bitcoin being a neutral store of value/currency.

Have you seen the news? The Spanish police are attacking civilians, and the Catalan firemen have come out to try to protect civilians from the Spanish police. Rubber bullets have been fired and over 300 injured.

Because ballot boxes are being snatched by the police, they'll probably not be able to count the ballot - but I wouldn't be surprised if the Catalans just said, "Eff this, we're declaring independence". If they do, they are out of the EU and the euro might be in trouble (as Spain is a eurozone member). It should in theory make the bitcoin price rise as it is an independent store of value.

It for sure will go up if that happens, but Catalonia wouldn't be recognized by anyone with political and economical weight which is why they are better off in Spain, and I see it as very unlikely that their politicians are stupid enough to go on with this. The polls are weak, there isn't a clear majority of people that want to leave. It would be a mistake for them to keep pushing this nonsense. They wouldn't be any more free and they will not enjoy being part of Spain which is a recognized place. Most people doesn't know where Catalonia is compared to Spain. Their politicians would also be responsible for causing a civil war by declaring a republic over a weak referendum. The rest of people that want to remain in Spain aren't going to sit down and watch as this unfolds. I hope a peaceful solution is achieved.
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.

This could be possible... But i don't think that political instability alone is enough to make people flood in bitcoin.

However as i've said, when financial situations get real bad, so bad that people cannot transact on a daily basis for their basic needs since their national currency is in a hyperinflationary mess, they will look for an alternative.

An alternative that is a store of value. So it's really only either bitcoin or preciosu metals. Bitcoin is gaining popularity as a safe haven like this.

Bitcoin's price has jumped today. It was about $4200 yesterday morning, and it's now $4435.

If I was a Catalan I'd be buying bitcoin especially as the Catalan govt has announced it will declare independence on Oct 6th. The financial markets are going to be roiled, so it makes sense for Spanish and Catalans alike to put some money in bitcoin to preserve their savings.
I very much doubt that Catalonia will ever be recognized as an independent state. The world does not recognize and to be independent in isolation is unrealistic. Bitcoin you won't help you. Now the world really is a crisis of democracy.This leads to the fact that the influence of uneducated people and the world plunged into chaos.

Well the United States said they won't recognise Catalonia.

But Brexit Britain might, especially if the brexit negotiations go badly, we'd have nothing to lose by recognising them and it would piss off the Spanish royally.
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.

This could be possible... But i don't think that political instability alone is enough to make people flood in bitcoin.

However as i've said, when financial situations get real bad, so bad that people cannot transact on a daily basis for their basic needs since their national currency is in a hyperinflationary mess, they will look for an alternative.

An alternative that is a store of value. So it's really only either bitcoin or preciosu metals. Bitcoin is gaining popularity as a safe haven like this.

Bitcoin's price has jumped today. It was about $4200 yesterday morning, and it's now $4435.

If I was a Catalan I'd be buying bitcoin especially as the Catalan govt has announced it will declare independence on Oct 6th. The financial markets are going to be roiled, so it makes sense for Spanish and Catalans alike to put some money in bitcoin to preserve their savings.
I very much doubt that Catalonia will ever be recognized as an independent state. The world does not recognize and to be independent in isolation is unrealistic. Bitcoin you won't help you. Now the world really is a crisis of democracy.This leads to the fact that the influence of uneducated people and the world plunged into chaos.
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Bitcoin's price has jumped today. It was about $4200 yesterday morning, and it's now $4435.

If I was a Catalan I'd be buying bitcoin especially as the Catalan govt has announced it will declare independence on Oct 6th. The financial markets are going to be roiled, so it makes sense for Spanish and Catalans alike to put some money in bitcoin to preserve their savings.

Seriously? I doubt Bitcoin is on anyone's radar in Catalan right now. It's barely scratching the surface of mainstream investment in general. Cryptocurrency may be one of the hottest investments of the year, but it's obviously one of the riskiest asset classes available on the markets from looking at volatility.

If I was worried that my savings were in danger due to economic collapse/disruption, I would put them into safe assets like gold and US dollars. Especially considering the recent gains in crypto. Sure, we could see new highs soon, but the price could also drop in half in a few days.

It all depends on how easy it is to buy US dollars or gold, isn't it?

For the Catalans, not at all - they won't be able to open US dollar bank accounts. Buying gold is hard too - not may places sell gold coins, mostly it is jewelry that is marked up. Some might just withdraw euros and keep them at home in case something happens to the banking system. Buying bitcoin by contrast is easy and quick, and you can simply hide your wallet.dat on a USB stick.
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Bitcoin's price has jumped today. It was about $4200 yesterday morning, and it's now $4435.

If I was a Catalan I'd be buying bitcoin especially as the Catalan govt has announced it will declare independence on Oct 6th. The financial markets are going to be roiled, so it makes sense for Spanish and Catalans alike to put some money in bitcoin to preserve their savings.

Seriously? I doubt Bitcoin is on anyone's radar in Catalan right now. It's barely scratching the surface of mainstream investment in general. Cryptocurrency may be one of the hottest investments of the year, but it's obviously one of the riskiest asset classes available on the markets from looking at volatility.

If I was worried that my savings were in danger due to economic collapse/disruption, I would put them into safe assets like gold and US dollars. Especially considering the recent gains in crypto. Sure, we could see new highs soon, but the price could also drop in half in a few days.
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.

This could be possible... But i don't think that political instability alone is enough to make people flood in bitcoin.

However as i've said, when financial situations get real bad, so bad that people cannot transact on a daily basis for their basic needs since their national currency is in a hyperinflationary mess, they will look for an alternative.

An alternative that is a store of value. So it's really only either bitcoin or preciosu metals. Bitcoin is gaining popularity as a safe haven like this.

Bitcoin's price has jumped today. It was about $4200 yesterday morning, and it's now $4435.

If I was a Catalan I'd be buying bitcoin especially as the Catalan govt has announced it will declare independence on Oct 6th. The financial markets are going to be roiled, so it makes sense for Spanish and Catalans alike to put some money in bitcoin to preserve their savings.
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.

This could be possible... But i don't think that political instability alone is enough to make people flood in bitcoin.

However as i've said, when financial situations get real bad, so bad that people cannot transact on a daily basis for their basic needs since their national currency is in a hyperinflationary mess, they will look for an alternative.

An alternative that is a store of value. So it's really only either bitcoin or preciosu metals. Bitcoin is gaining popularity as a safe haven like this.
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.


Im surprised to not see any threads about this. If they actually go through with it and declare Independence unilaterally, it could cause a lot of problems. If it becomes an international problem outside of Spain, it could escalate quickly to an European crisis, in this sense, BTC could become a very strong safe haven, as it always is thanks to Bitcoin being a neutral store of value/currency.

Have you seen the news? The Spanish police are attacking civilians, and the Catalan firemen have come out to try to protect civilians from the Spanish police. Rubber bullets have been fired and over 300 injured.

Because ballot boxes are being snatched by the police, they'll probably not be able to count the ballot - but I wouldn't be surprised if the Catalans just said, "Eff this, we're declaring independence". If they do, they are out of the EU and the euro might be in trouble (as Spain is a eurozone member). It should in theory make the bitcoin price rise as it is an independent store of value.
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September 30, 2017, 11:13:54 AM
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It may not be value of bitcoin booming when a financial crisis hits since even though on paper it seems like the price is absolutely skyrocketing the fiat is actually hyperinflating so much that you probably wouldn't really see a major difference in bitcoin value.

However, bitcoin will hold its value against inflation.

And, when a financial collapse happens, bitcoin adopters will grow drastically as it is the most convenient non-central bank backed currency available.
As long as bitcoin maintains its current overall upward trajectory, even during a financial crisis, it's still going to be gaining more value than fiat currencies that are experiencing hyperinflation.  Even in the rare situations where inflation in a country is hundreds or thousands of percent per year, those numbers are usually measured against reserve currencies like USD, and if bitcoin is appreciating with respect to USD, its value will be appreciating even more with respect to those hyper inflating currencies.
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.


Im surprised to not see any threads about this. If they actually go through with it and declare Independence unilaterally, it could cause a lot of problems. If it becomes an international problem outside of Spain, it could escalate quickly to an European crisis, in this sense, BTC could become a very strong safe haven, as it always is thanks to Bitcoin being a neutral store of value/currency.
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Tomorrow Catalonia will try to vote for independence, and Spain will try to stop them (looks like they might get violent).

IF the Catalans vote to leave and declare independence, then all hell will break loose, and we might see a flight to safety towards bitcoin. It depends entirely on how ugly it gets.
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I am cocksure that one of the things that led Satoshi into establishing bitcoin was the global financial meltdown in 2008. It really was so chaotic that firms, companies and institutions shut down because they couldn't meet up. In 2009, bitcoin came up as an alternative to the traditional financial institution. With the Cyprus scenario a few years later, the strength of the bitcoin was tested and that proved its effectiveness. Bitcoin is above traditional financial institution and that's what scares China. The Chinese feel it's going to permanently floor their Yuan. Hence, the dramatic ban on it. Yes, that should be a boom for bitcoin.

Precisely. Bitcoin naturally is a store of value as it has a controlled and slow inflation curve that cannot be altered or sped up by any central entity. This is what makes bitcoin a special investment, it is basically "digital gold".

When financial collapses happen, people look for a store of value. In this digital day and age i think that most people will turn to bitcoin.

And this is proven, as Zimbabweans as well as Venezuelans have enjoyed bitcoin and there is a huge increase in btc users in those countries.
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September 30, 2017, 02:09:48 AM
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It may not be value of bitcoin booming when a financial crisis hits since even though on paper it seems like the price is absolutely skyrocketing the fiat is actually hyperinflating so much that you probably wouldn't really see a major difference in bitcoin value.

However, bitcoin will hold its value against inflation.

And, when a financial collapse happens, bitcoin adopters will grow drastically as it is the most convenient non-central bank backed currency available.
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September 29, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
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Financial collapse mean a government can not run the country, only 2 reasons; corruptions and huge debts to central bank.
At least, a country without debts can not bankrupt and that's why citizens should choose the right person to run the government.
Bitcoin will be one of many precious assets during economy crisis in a country, but doesn't mean bitcoin boom I guess, unless one or two big countries going collapse. If somehow most countries facing economics crisis, many people will cash out bitcoin, which mean the price will constantly decline.

I do agree with this. Bitcoin is a big help for those people who experience hyper inflation and as what I understand, Satoshi Nakamoto was able to think of bitcoin because of his experience in the 2008 financial crisis so he think of a solution that will not be inflationary and thus the birth of bitcoin. There are still so many debates as to what is the use of bitcoin and I believe one of its original purpose is to beat the inflation and observing that it thus help the people who are actually experiencing it, Satoshi Nakamoto may be happy that his idea has been fruitful.
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Financial collapse mean a government can not run the country, only 2 reasons; corruptions and huge debts to central bank.
At least, a country without debts can not bankrupt and that's why citizens should choose the right person to run the government.
Bitcoin will be one of many precious assets during economy crisis in a country, but doesn't mean bitcoin boom I guess, unless one or two big countries going collapse. If somehow most countries facing economics crisis, many people will cash out bitcoin, which mean the price will constantly decline.
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September 29, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
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Somebody explain to me why a system that can't even handle low volumes like we have now would boom?

Something that solves a problem can boom. Bitcoin can't even handle current transaction volume, which is like 0.00001% of global transactions.

People aren't even using bitcoin to complain about capacity problems, as exposed by the research on mempool spam:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/curious-case-bitcoins-moby-dick-spam-and-miners-confirmed-it/

Nobody is even using bitcoin anywhere enough to demand a rushed hardfork that would put incompetent developers in charge of the main branch coupled with a price crash. Jeff Garzik and the rest of NYA signers will be responsible of billions in loses. They should run for cover.

The expected boom could not elimimate tha said fork due to bitcoin isn't yet recognized woldwide, but more selected  individuals were starting to learn how to adopt this currency. I don't think it will significantly affects the economy financial collapse as well. Speculations is getting more negative we as a people who trust bitvcoin must not be afftected a lot.
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Somebody explain to me why a system that can't even handle low volumes like we have now would boom?

Something that solves a problem can boom. Bitcoin can't even handle current transaction volume, which is like 0.00001% of global transactions.

People aren't even using bitcoin to complain about capacity problems, as exposed by the research on mempool spam:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/curious-case-bitcoins-moby-dick-spam-and-miners-confirmed-it/

Nobody is even using bitcoin anywhere enough to demand a rushed hardfork that would put incompetent developers in charge of the main branch coupled with a price crash. Jeff Garzik and the rest of NYA signers will be responsible of billions in loses. They should run for cover.
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I am cocksure that one of the things that led Satoshi into establishing bitcoin was the global financial meltdown in 2008. It really was so chaotic that firms, companies and institutions shut down because they couldn't meet up. In 2009, bitcoin came up as an alternative to the traditional financial institution. With the Cyprus scenario a few years later, the strength of the bitcoin was tested and that proved its effectiveness. Bitcoin is above traditional financial institution and that's what scares China. The Chinese feel it's going to permanently floor their Yuan. Hence, the dramatic ban on it. Yes, that should be a boom for bitcoin.
One bans the bitcoin issue can not be solved. I think the Chinese understand this. There is a notion that if a problem cannot be solved it must lead. Probably China will go this way. The rumors that China bans crypto, the market will remain only rumors.
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I don't know about bitcoin being the go-to currency.  I would think the USD would be it, or gold, or some other stable form of money.   Keyword is stable, and that's one thing bitcoin isn't.  I'm also not convinced those currencies will fail altogether.   They could just be in a serious dip and might rebound. 

Bitcoin has got to get a hell of a lot less volatile before it's a safe haven form of money.

If this is going to happen and it will many will lokk for some possible low risk solution. Like you mentioned many will go for USD cuz its world wide spread and gold cuz it has physical value. Bitcoin will also be some good alternative for many or some other crypto coin (possible ETH).

BTW almost nothing is stable on current market exchange.
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September 29, 2017, 06:50:02 AM
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I am cocksure that one of the things that led Satoshi into establishing bitcoin was the global financial meltdown in 2008. It really was so chaotic that firms, companies and institutions shut down because they couldn't meet up. In 2009, bitcoin came up as an alternative to the traditional financial institution. With the Cyprus scenario a few years later, the strength of the bitcoin was tested and that proved its effectiveness. Bitcoin is above traditional financial institution and that's what scares China. The Chinese feel it's going to permanently floor their Yuan. Hence, the dramatic ban on it. Yes, that should be a boom for bitcoin.
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As many have pointed out, historically, financial crises of various sorts have driven some people to cryptocurrencies, which has been a boon for bitcoin.

But here's an interesting question: if a financial collapse pushes people into bitcoin, could that actually make the crisis worse because people are taking money out of the banks and other savings and buying bitcoin?  Or, for that matter, could people running toward bitcoin actually precipitate a crisis due to withdrawing too much money from the banks?  This seems unlikely now, but what about in the future if bitcoin is worth $25k, $50k, or more?

That time blockchain will be top of all the banks in world like world reserve banking system. They will eager to do tie up with the blockchain technology since it is much secured and anonymous pipeline to be used. First it has to become centralized money and then we have check the  people interested from the various countries. Still I am not convinced that op mentioned countries in the top list.
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As many have pointed out, historically, financial crises of various sorts have driven some people to cryptocurrencies, which has been a boon for bitcoin.

But here's an interesting question: if a financial collapse pushes people into bitcoin, could that actually make the crisis worse because people are taking money out of the banks and other savings and buying bitcoin?  Or, for that matter, could people running toward bitcoin actually precipitate a crisis due to withdrawing too much money from the banks?  This seems unlikely now, but what about in the future if bitcoin is worth $25k, $50k, or more?
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I ain't trying to get rich. I'm just trying not to get robbed. BTC could go up only 5% a year all I care. I'd take 50% a year, though!
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Not necessarily a boom in bitcoin value but we have seen a surge in usage for bitcoin in countries where its economies have been torn apart by financial crisis. Such as, Venezuela, where bitcoin adoption is at an all time high.

Not really surprising. Bitcoin is designed to be a store of value.

When hyperinflation strikes, bitcoin will seemingly go up in terms of fiat but really just retain its value.
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BTC's supply is to imitate precious metal, so as all precious metals, one of its function is safe heaven. So I will not be surprised to see people getting BTC when the local currency doesn't work well.
Yeah that's correct, BTC has been compared to gold many times, so wouldn't be surprised to see BTC behave like gold in times of economic crisis. It would be obvious that people would search for alternative ways to store money, and after gold BTC is the best bet.
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I don't know about bitcoin being the go-to currency.  I would think the USD would be it, or gold, or some other stable form of money.   Keyword is stable, and that's one thing bitcoin isn't.  I'm also not convinced those currencies will fail altogether.   They could just be in a serious dip and might rebound. 

Bitcoin has got to get a hell of a lot less volatile before it's a safe haven form of money.
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Well the thing that made bitcoin mainstream in 2013 was the Cyprus crisis, where the EU forced a bail-in where customers savings were seized to bail out teh banks. Even businesses which had their payroll money in their current account to do their monthly salary run, found their money being confiscated.

The EU has now made bail-in rules the norm, and the customers of an Italian bank were also wiped out. Naturally that makes people want to hold their money in a form the govt can't steal.

Cyprus was a nice sign of the neutral position of Bitcoin being an ideal safe haven above gold. Gold has been underperforming and not rising when it was supposed to go up during times of uncertainty. Only recently gold has been going up. Goldbugs (usually the ones that sell gold) are now saying that gold is going into an all time high and crypto will go down. Honestly I doubt it. They are just trying to sell you their gold.

Bitcoin continues to shine and prove all the haters wrong. We are going to be at $5000 soon. There will always be reasons for Bitcoin to go up. It's the wonders of being a global, decentralized, neutral asset.

Back then I am also fond with gold because of it's value and really want to invest in buying golden jewelry then when I was needing money I would just went to a pawn shop to lent money by leaving Gold jewelry as collateral, that was the value of gold back then and you can get money at a high price, but yes I think bitcoin is a great investment right now and it keeps on increasing it's value but I think when fiat would go down Cryptocurrency is here to stay.

I think gold is nonsense at this point. You can buy and hold as much gold as you want... so what? not only the price doesn't outperform bitcoin, but the fact that it is literally impossible to cross a border with your wealth renders gold a pretty useless edge against your government turning against you, or any other reason you would need to have a neutral asset to defend against countries screwing up your wealth.

I can't find anything that beats bitcoin to be honest.

Up to now there is nothing that can beat bitcoin for sure but maybe someday we can never know, Gold doesn't really stand a chance against it, but I think there are a possibility that one of the Altcoins right now can but it will need a lot of years to be competent with bitcoin, but even if there is no Altcoin that can beat bitcoin there is an end to everything but we can never know what it is or how would bitcoin can end, but right now I don't want that to happen because I love having bitcoin earning and trading with it is a great stuff each and anyone should learn.
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September 28, 2017, 09:04:01 PM
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It is highly possible but can not be predicted as of how big it can affect on bitcoin. But even if financial system or institutions are intact bitcoin can still go bull run and be on top of all currency equivalents. Sometimes thinking about bad things that will happen in the future, we should not be at that end. Let build bitcoin individually and be part of its success without thinking the other way around.
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September 28, 2017, 06:58:05 PM
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Not only we have the innovative currency in our hand, also governments are working on new financial instruments. Depending on how smart they are, they will place in time a new crypto, or not. Or they will try to ban all cryptos, they can't control. So I don't know but have the hope, that Bitcoin will continue its "boom", that already began.
Really? If that so then what are things that we are going to fight back? If governments aren't cooperating,it would be hard for them to trace bitcoin's footsteps, now that it keeps on rising in the cryptocurrency world.  Actually,every small beginnings keep going,so we can afford to make things possible in bitcoin. Let's think positive that it will continue to boom soon. There will be less worries for you don't need to put up such very big amount. Let's just wait and see for the upcoming good news for bitcoin. We have to discharge negativity outlook.
I think it will be depends in every country but here in my country we are increasing population who uses bitcoin here in my country even its not accepted locally we can deposit instant or buying bitcoin instantly here..
And base in what i heard here in my country bitcoin is legal and they are use this for paying people salary and we can use bitcoin for any billing of house..
Anyway i believe that bitcoin can be more boom in the future just wait and we will see the changes will happen in few years..
for now because of volatile and unpredictable price of bitcoin it will be hard to say that government also will be interested to handle bitcoin .
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September 28, 2017, 06:42:53 PM
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Definitely. Bitcoin is completely decentralized which means that it is an especially good hedge against financial collapses and shit hits the fan situations.

Why? In the context of nation-states and national economies, what makes a highly speculative, brand new asset class "an especially good hedge against financial collapse?" I love Bitcoin, but it seems really premature to make sweeping statements like that. To be a good hedge against world markets, an asset needs to be widely/ubiquitously valued.

I think we've seen that Bitcoin certainly has that potential, but in the scheme of available commodities, it is hardly even a needle in a haystack yet. The existence of the entire crypto economy is still not even noticeable on any macro level.
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September 28, 2017, 06:19:31 PM
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Not only we have the innovative currency in our hand, also governments are working on new financial instruments. Depending on how smart they are, they will place in time a new crypto, or not. Or they will try to ban all cryptos, they can't control. So I don't know but have the hope, that Bitcoin will continue its "boom", that already began.
Really? If that so then what are things that we are going to fight back? If governments aren't cooperating,it would be hard for them to trace bitcoin's footsteps, now that it keeps on rising in the cryptocurrency world.  Actually,every small beginnings keep going,so we can afford to make things possible in bitcoin. Let's think positive that it will continue to boom soon. There will be less worries for you don't need to put up such very big amount. Let's just wait and see for the upcoming good news for bitcoin. We have to discharge negativity outlook.
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September 28, 2017, 05:45:02 PM
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Definitely. Bitcoin is completely decentralized which means that it is an especially good hedge against financial collapses and shit hits the fan situations. As we've seen usage of bitcoin has soared in Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

These people need something in which they can store their wealth in, without having to worry about inflation.

Bitcoin is perfect for that purpose. You can also see that bitcoin is often traded at a premium for regular fiat.
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September 28, 2017, 04:53:30 PM
#26
The oldest truth in the book - when a traditional economy is in peril, alternatives thrive. With Bitcoin it is exactly the same, the harder FIAT will fell the higher bitcoin will soar.
Just wait when Wall Steet or debt based western economy will collapse it will create turmoil so big that bitcoin might touch the sky.
The only question is - we have no idea when and where the crisis will start - but one is certain - sooner or later it will hit us. Stay tuned.

I also see bitcoin as an alternative economic system where all the people are equally considered inside. If a big financial collapse happens, bitcoin would boom like you said.
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September 28, 2017, 04:29:10 PM
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In a case like conventional financial system collapsing, people will have less trust on the system and will force them to look for an alternative.  In this case, Bitcoin serves as an alternative so we can assume that part of those people who look for an alternative will see bitcoin as a potential safe haven for their money.  I am sure that not 100% will see Bitcoin as a positive thing since there are older tested ways to preserve the wealth of these people and most of them will go on that path.  But those who chose Bitcoin is enough to move Bitcoin economy into booming state.
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September 28, 2017, 04:03:32 PM
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Not only we have the innovative currency in our hand, also governments are working on new financial instruments. Depending on how smart they are, they will place in time a new crypto, or not. Or they will try to ban all cryptos, they can't control. So I don't know but have the hope, that Bitcoin will continue its "boom", that already began.
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September 28, 2017, 02:44:05 PM
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BTC's supply is to imitate precious metal, so as all precious metals, one of its function is safe heaven. So I will not be surprised to see people getting BTC when the local currency doesn't work well.

This may be true in the case of smaller economies like Venezuela (and I'm not sure we have the full story there, either), but I believe the opposite may hold true for major economies like the US.

For Venezuela, the US dollar is also in demand as a safe haven. Even World of Warcraft gold could be seen as a safe haven vs. the Venezuelan Bolivar. So of course cryptocurrencies are seen as a place to store value, since their value is rising.

If the US markets and the value of USD plummeted in tandem, or if WWIII broke out, I don't think that money would flow into risky, speculative assets like cryptocurrencies. I think this question is a matter of scale.
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September 28, 2017, 02:33:25 PM
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The only question is - we have no idea when and where the crisis will start - but one is certain - sooner or later it will hit us. Stay tuned.

People shouldn't focus on when the 'looming' crisis will start, they just need to make sure that they have a decent portion of their wealth sitting in Bitcoin to not experience the negative consequences of a crisis. People don't yet realize it, but Bitcoin is the perfect safe haven asset with an insane level of potential growth. I had the luck to enter this market at $200'ish levels, but it by far isn't too late to enter this market -- just make sure you do it. The longer you wait, the less Bitcoin you'll get for your in value decreasing fiat.
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September 28, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
#21
The oldest truth in the book - when a traditional economy is in peril, alternatives thrive. With Bitcoin it is exactly the same, the harder FIAT will fell the higher bitcoin will soar.
Just wait when Wall Steet or debt based western economy will collapse it will create turmoil so big that bitcoin might touch the sky.
The only question is - we have no idea when and where the crisis will start - but one is certain - sooner or later it will hit us. Stay tuned.
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September 28, 2017, 01:59:15 PM
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BTC's supply is to imitate precious metal, so as all precious metals, one of its function is safe heaven. So I will not be surprised to see people getting BTC when the local currency doesn't work well.
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September 28, 2017, 01:32:48 PM
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Financial collapse might have good positive effect on bitcoin in terms of both fiat value and overall understanding of normal people towards bitcoin and crypto related investment.

Bitcoin and cryptos are best way to hedge against potential financial loss during huge financial crisis but we might have to wait to see real affect of any financial crisis on bitcoin.

One thing we know for sure is that inflation goes very high, people will store their money in something other than that country's currency. They will look to either spend it all on things they need or store it in gold, cryptocurrencies, or another country's currency.

Other than an inflation scenario, it's hard to say what people will do in another financial crisis. It also depends on how a particular government writes its laws concerning cryptocurrencies. They may try to heavily regulate them to keep people from shifting their money them. Overall though, I think the major cryptocurrencies will survive a financial crises because it's global rather than tied to a government.
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September 28, 2017, 01:01:17 PM
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I didn't expect to see my Ukraine in the top list of countries turning to cryptocurrencies for secure investment of money. Bitcoin, however, cannot offer stability, being itself even more volatile than almost any fiat. Even though it can rescue one's investments and even make them bigger, unfortunately, btc still can't be used as daily means of payment, because the price is changing too fast, transactions are slow and mostly expensive. Especially for countries like Ukraine where for 1 dollar you can buy yourself a bottle of milk, or 1 pack of rice.
To get to such a rating is not good. This means that Ukraine's poor economic situation. People don't trust their own government and currency so looking for an alternative. The increase in the number of bitcoin users will come from poorer countries because poverty causes people to seek additional sources of income.
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September 28, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
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I didn't expect to see my Ukraine in the top list of countries turning to cryptocurrencies for secure investment of money. Bitcoin, however, cannot offer stability, being itself even more volatile than almost any fiat. Even though it can rescue one's investments and even make them bigger, unfortunately, btc still can't be used as daily means of payment, because the price is changing too fast, transactions are slow and mostly expensive. Especially for countries like Ukraine where for 1 dollar you can buy yourself a bottle of milk, or 1 pack of rice.
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September 28, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
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Financial collapse might have good positive effect on bitcoin in terms of both fiat value and overall understanding of normal people towards bitcoin and crypto related investment.

Bitcoin and cryptos are best way to hedge against potential financial loss during huge financial crisis but we might have to wait to see real affect of any financial crisis on bitcoin.
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September 28, 2017, 10:18:10 AM
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I feel it might be the opposite if the financial world crashes inflation rate would reach the sky and in order to fight with that people will have to sell their bitcoins otherwise they won't have any option left on to deal with this crises. The other way people buying bitcoin during a collapse would increase the price
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September 28, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
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Somebody explain to me why a system that can't even handle low volumes like we have now would boom?

Something that solves a problem can boom. Bitcoin can't even handle current transaction volume, which is like 0.00001% of global transactions.
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September 28, 2017, 10:00:24 AM
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Well the thing that made bitcoin mainstream in 2013 was the Cyprus crisis, where the EU forced a bail-in where customers savings were seized to bail out teh banks. Even businesses which had their payroll money in their current account to do their monthly salary run, found their money being confiscated.

The EU has now made bail-in rules the norm, and the customers of an Italian bank were also wiped out. Naturally that makes people want to hold their money in a form the govt can't steal.

Cyprus was a nice sign of the neutral position of Bitcoin being an ideal safe haven above gold. Gold has been underperforming and not rising when it was supposed to go up during times of uncertainty. Only recently gold has been going up. Goldbugs (usually the ones that sell gold) are now saying that gold is going into an all time high and crypto will go down. Honestly I doubt it. They are just trying to sell you their gold.

Bitcoin continues to shine and prove all the haters wrong. We are going to be at $5000 soon. There will always be reasons for Bitcoin to go up. It's the wonders of being a global, decentralized, neutral asset.

Back then I am also fond with gold because of it's value and really want to invest in buying golden jewelry then when I was needing money I would just went to a pawn shop to lent money by leaving Gold jewelry as collateral, that was the value of gold back then and you can get money at a high price, but yes I think bitcoin is a great investment right now and it keeps on increasing it's value but I think when fiat would go down Cryptocurrency is here to stay.

I think gold is nonsense at this point. You can buy and hold as much gold as you want... so what? not only the price doesn't outperform bitcoin, but the fact that it is literally impossible to cross a border with your wealth renders gold a pretty useless edge against your government turning against you, or any other reason you would need to have a neutral asset to defend against countries screwing up your wealth.

I can't find anything that beats bitcoin to be honest.
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September 28, 2017, 09:36:18 AM
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Financial collapse has been observed over the years on different platforms. Even few European countries have fallen into financial crisis. Those financial collapses were found even before the days of bitcoin existence. On such assurance I never think that bitcoin makes the collapse to the financial system of countries.
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September 28, 2017, 09:33:48 AM
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Well the thing that made bitcoin mainstream in 2013 was the Cyprus crisis, where the EU forced a bail-in where customers savings were seized to bail out teh banks. Even businesses which had their payroll money in their current account to do their monthly salary run, found their money being confiscated.

The EU has now made bail-in rules the norm, and the customers of an Italian bank were also wiped out. Naturally that makes people want to hold their money in a form the govt can't steal.

Cyprus was a nice sign of the neutral position of Bitcoin being an ideal safe haven above gold. Gold has been underperforming and not rising when it was supposed to go up during times of uncertainty. Only recently gold has been going up. Goldbugs (usually the ones that sell gold) are now saying that gold is going into an all time high and crypto will go down. Honestly I doubt it. They are just trying to sell you their gold.

Bitcoin continues to shine and prove all the haters wrong. We are going to be at $5000 soon. There will always be reasons for Bitcoin to go up. It's the wonders of being a global, decentralized, neutral asset.

Back then I am also fond with gold because of it's value and really want to invest in buying golden jewelry then when I was needing money I would just went to a pawn shop to lent money by leaving Gold jewelry as collateral, that was the value of gold back then and you can get money at a high price, but yes I think bitcoin is a great investment right now and it keeps on increasing it's value but I think when fiat would go down Cryptocurrency is here to stay.
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September 28, 2017, 09:31:13 AM
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Yes, it does mean it, but not the other way around.

When have seen it in the past, with the examples mentioned before and we will see more examples like those in the future. However, there can be bitcoin booming in other countries without being a financial collapse. Countries like Estonia or South Korea are very bitcoin-friendly but that has more to do with them being also tech-friendly. General adoption of new technologies by the population and the disappearance of physical cash play in important role.
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September 28, 2017, 09:22:59 AM
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Possible. I am heavily invested in Bitcoin but would prefer gold if shit will go crazy. Now that the US dictatorship comes to an end, we could see a big war coming soon. Bitcoin would be worthless on an destroyed planet. With Gold you could at least buy some bread and conterminated water.
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September 28, 2017, 09:21:55 AM
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Hyperinflation

Coming to countries near you first. Then your country is next on the list. None will be spared.

Buy Bitcoin if you want to live.
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September 28, 2017, 09:14:06 AM
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The data doesn't add up: Germany -10%, UK -8%, but only UK is in the Top five worst performing countries. I'm curious to know where the -10% comes from: last year? And how is it measured: Germany has euro, just like many countries. It's not Germany's fault BTW, it's Southern Europe that pushes down the value.

Back to speculation: No doubt it causes some people to buy Bitcoin. Only a fraction of the money flowing into stocks, bonds and precious metals is enough to sharply increase the price per Bitcoin.

Well the thing that made bitcoin mainstream in 2013 was the Cyprus crisis, where the EU forced a bail-in where customers savings were seized to bail out teh banks. Even businesses which had their payroll money in their current account to do their monthly salary run, found their money being confiscated.

The EU has now made bail-in rules the norm, and the customers of an Italian bank were also wiped out. Naturally that makes people want to hold their money in a form the govt can't steal.
Cyprus was a small experiment. It turned out people didn't like it. I don't think it will happen again, the bail-in was too obvious.
Instead, they switched to Quantitative easing (QE):
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If central banks increase the money supply too quickly, it can cause inflation.

It's a genius move actually: stock prices go up, the value of money goes down, and nobody can do anything about it.
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September 28, 2017, 09:01:41 AM
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Well the thing that made bitcoin mainstream in 2013 was the Cyprus crisis, where the EU forced a bail-in where customers savings were seized to bail out teh banks. Even businesses which had their payroll money in their current account to do their monthly salary run, found their money being confiscated.

The EU has now made bail-in rules the norm, and the customers of an Italian bank were also wiped out. Naturally that makes people want to hold their money in a form the govt can't steal.

Cyprus was a nice sign of the neutral position of Bitcoin being an ideal safe haven above gold. Gold has been underperforming and not rising when it was supposed to go up during times of uncertainty. Only recently gold has been going up. Goldbugs (usually the ones that sell gold) are now saying that gold is going into an all time high and crypto will go down. Honestly I doubt it. They are just trying to sell you their gold.

Bitcoin continues to shine and prove all the haters wrong. We are going to be at $5000 soon. There will always be reasons for Bitcoin to go up. It's the wonders of being a global, decentralized, neutral asset.
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September 28, 2017, 08:46:05 AM
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The early inhabitants of all the countries in which the currency was unstable kept their savings in dollars. The banking system in these States is also not reliable so the economies of these countries are suffocating from a lack of investment, despite the fact that the people are kept in the billions. Now they pay attention to bitcoin and this means that the price will be for a very long time to grow.
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September 28, 2017, 08:42:06 AM
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Definitely,if an economic crisis happens in the world,scenario would be the same as in venezuela.Erarlier,when such crisis happened,people rushed towards gold to save their money safely as they had no other choice than that.Even in india,after banning of high value notes,people have lost their faith in the national currency and most of them were turning towards bitcoin like investments.Bitcoin being a secure as well as a high return giving investment,has now become the ultimate choice of people.Bitcoin even though its a decentralized currency,not backed by any government has managed to gain the trust of people all over the world.Its not an easy task to achieve such a trust.Definitely,bitcoin would be a rescue in such situations.
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September 28, 2017, 08:18:01 AM
#3
it should be that way right ?
because of that data i got some clues why would chinese doing this move lately,
i believe they're preparing their country to face it using cryptocurrency.
why would they banned ICOs when they can directly banning Bitcoin exchange and trade in their country.
from that point i can see something big will happen in our real life or world.
and most people will doing something to secure their assets and money to face this problem in the future.

but sadly,we are facing a hardfork in a few weeks later on,
if not we should see a big movement from it.
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September 28, 2017, 05:57:16 AM
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Well the thing that made bitcoin mainstream in 2013 was the Cyprus crisis, where the EU forced a bail-in where customers savings were seized to bail out teh banks. Even businesses which had their payroll money in their current account to do their monthly salary run, found their money being confiscated.

The EU has now made bail-in rules the norm, and the customers of an Italian bank were also wiped out. Naturally that makes people want to hold their money in a form the govt can't steal.
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September 28, 2017, 05:35:03 AM
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New data from investing.com suggests, however, that it’s not just Venezuelan citizens that are turning to cryptocurrencies as fiat currencies collapse. The investment portal researched the top ten countries accessing cryptocurrency across its platform and noticed an interesting trend.

Citizens of countries with failing currencies in every part of the globe seem to be turning to crypto for investment and wealth protection, even amid the chaotic struggles of fiat currencies.

Venezuela - 36%, Colombia - 18%, Argentina - 15%, Belarus - 13%, Ukraine - 11%, Brazil - 11%, Germany - 10%, UK - 8%, Egypt - 7%, Russia - 6%. The five countries with the worst-performing currencies of 2017 are Venezuela, Argentina, Belarus, UK, and Egypt, and all of them made it onto the top ten list.

The huge number of investors turning to cryptocurrencies in these fiscally challenged countries may be a major factor driving the exponential rise of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies over the past month.

Even as these struggling economies fight to regain stability of their fiat currencies, the prices of digital currencies have been moving higher. The influx of huge amounts of cash from depressed regions into cryptos may well be the cause of the boom. While the massive increase in price may retract over time, the mainstream acceptance of cryptocurrencies will only drive demand further.


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There are people who are wondering what can happen to Bitcoin if there would be economic and political chaos? Will it mean that Bitcoin will surge in price or will it withered and be likewise chaotic? I think what is happening in Venezuela right now is just a foretaste of what can happen when an economy can go down to the bridge...Bitcoin can come to the rescue and can be a source of some stability and access to the outside world.

While, of course, we are not wishing any country's economy to go down the floor, having some Bitcoin and getting involved in Bitcoin can be an insurance just in case something like a Venezuela will happen to our country. This has evolved to be one of the many functions of Bitcoin as we see it.
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