Topic: Finland on the way to NATO (Read 357 times)

This is the stupidity of Putin's revanchist. Now it is as if the Russian Empire is rapidly approaching its death, and this is good.

When both parties have nuclear weapons any war is unthinkable.

No one wants to go on history as the leader that wiped out half of his country population.

This doesn't mean that it won't happen, but not on a premeditated and rational way. Accidents and crazy people do exist.

Finland and Sweden know this. Russia won't dare ever to attack a NATO country. But NATO also doesn't dare to do more than send arms and little more to Ukraine.

Russia military fiasco on Ukraine only confirmed that an army runs on its country economy and Russia just don't have capacity to have a big modern army, it has the economy of Spain.

I think that if Ukraine had joined NATO in time, as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania did, then Putin would not have dared to attack Ukraine.

Russia has enough enemies inside of 'Russia':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8

The more tense the situation, the faster they will come to a decision.  however Earlier this week, media reports claimed that Finland was expected to make the decision to join NATO in June, while Sweden would announce its position later in the summer.  for now it looks like Finland is not on the list of enemies of Russia. looks like the world is still safe in the next few days

There has always been a war between the West and the Old USSR. With either side not accepting or acknowledging the supremacy of the other. States belonging to either side, deflecting to the other despite treaties reached could be seen as a bridge of agreement and disagreements is what breeds wars.

Although, it becomes a question of the sovereignty of an independent state when demands are made upon your state from a different and much larger nation. Putin sees this differently and so do other persons or nations that have a contrary view to himself.

That's my guess too, still, the 20% isn't enough to change the poll's final result. Russia doesn't want to be bordered with NATO, however, It's very doubtful that they have the stamina nor the power to go against Finland too. On top of that, it would cause a global outrage, I highly doubt that NATO would sit watching Russia declare war to one more country. I'm honestly hoping that this situation stops soon.

I'm currently in Poland, where a large number of Ukrainians have fled in an attempt to seek shelter, this isn't right. It breaks my hurt seeing all these refugees and the bombarded cities.

Russia didn't wanted to have border with NATO in Ukraine, so, no they will get 1340 km boder with NATO in Finland. This is what they wanted? Or they will try to demilitarise and denazify Finland too? I think I don't have to remind how Winter War ended.

I guess that remaining 20% haven't decided or don't have opinion about this question.

Interesting, however, as the article mentions, there isn't a timetable on when that will happen. Recent polls show that 68% are in favour of joining NATO, while only 12% are against. What about the rest 20%? On top of that, we should also take into account the accuracy of the poll, which is something unknown, at least till more of them rollout.

Putin had warned about Finland since the start of the invasion, however, his army is now devastated, thus, I highly doubt he'd make another threat a reality.

It looks like it's going to be real.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-make-decision-nato-membership-coming-weeks-2022-04-13/

The majority of the Finns also support this move.

Finland having the courage to send arms to Ukraine already was pointing for the move to join NATO.

On Sweden things aren't as clear yet.

Putin can claim that getting a piece of Ukraine deserves the price of seeing Finland and Sweden joining NATO, but he will get the latter without having the former.

I'm still astonished as how a successful dictator could take this stupid decision.

Some say that his isolation, caused from his fear to get Sars 2 (the big tables are proportional to his fear), can explain his paranoia and this absolute blunder.

Yes I know about Belarus, that's why I said it ain't joining even if there is an initiative to form a bloc. Putin is the only reason that dictator is still in office and I suspect he's taking orders from Russia to flood Poland's border with "refugees" from the Middle East. Now these same people are mixing with the Ukrainian refugees. Double whammy.

None of these border countries alone is enough to resist a full-on Russian invasion. In a coalition they might fare better but I doubt their combined arsenal would match that of Russia. Still, a coalition of them would probably still be more tolerable for Moscow rather than any of them gaining NATO membership. I really hope Ukraine start an initiative if it survive.

Uh, Belarus is a Russian outpost/ally, not to mention that it was hostile against Ukraine. On the one hand, the countries that do not belong to NATO and are neighboring with Russia (Moldova, Finland, Georgia) could be susceptible to a future attack. On the other hand, Putin have threatened them if they decided to join NATO, and as we've already seen, he's not making blank threats.

Finland folded? I think these countries that are not currently part of NATO should just form their own grouping that would serve as a buffer between Russia and the current NATO. That way they can get concessions from both and both would keep them intact like how Siam/Thailand survived the carving of Southeast Asia.

I believe it's just Finland, Sweden, Ukraine and Belarus that's bordering Russia that are still not NATO members. Obviously it's pretty late for Ukraine and Belarus isn't gonna try joining any time soon. If Ukraine survive this intact it should seriously consider talking to the other remaining buffer states to team up.

Revanchist Putin wants to restore the USSR. After Ukraine, he will capture Moldova, then Kakhastan. The West did not understand what Russia and the Russian people with their imperial worldview were, helped Russia in the 90s and now has problems. Putin is the modern day Hitler.

nato is just a paper tiger and is becoming more and more one (crime crisis, Currency Crisis, Media Trust Crisis)

its completely pointless to join it, and also provokes conflict, you will end up having only a political caste being part of nato, no one else.

I think it's final, I read that they retracted their decision to join NATO, due to fears of similar countermeasures from their Russian neighbors. To be honest, it's probably for the best, NATO aren't saints either, while their entry could potentially spark a large scale war. which would result in a third World War.

I wouldn't be surprised considering the developments. When this thread was made there was just a threat of Russian aggression, now Russia has actually invaded Ukraine. It's understandable that their other neighbors are getting uneasy.

Was that the one where they took Gotland and disabled all of NATO's communications and satellites and whatnot?

There were similar EMP fantasies about Ukraine too. I don't know who's coming up with that shit but I wouldn't be too shocked if it turns out that there were trillions of rubles spent on some technology that never materialized, money ended up in oligarchs' pockets, and Putin was actually told that it definitely works.

A couple of months ago I saw on Russian TV a map drawn by the Soviet military analyst to show how all Baltic countries can be invaded.

So I am guessing Putin's plan was to take Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Sweden, Poland, all in one swoop.
Ukraine's campaign was supposed to be 2-3 days, 1 week to stabilize the country.

That is how nuts these people are.

NATO needs to go into Russia and kill these people so that they don't cause more problems for the world.

The reason the Russians wanted to attack Finland was absurd because they had no problem at all. But there is nothing wrong with Finland taking proactive steps by joining NATO to strengthen their defense.

Now, the Fins are indeed seriously debating joining NATO:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping-all/finland-seriously-debating-joining-nato/vp-AAV2uzB
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2022/03/14/pekka-haavisto-finland-fm-ctw-intl.cnn

Finland sending arms to help Ukraine was an astonishing and revealing act about the changing policy.

Also the Swedes are thinking about joining.

Tell me about Putin shooting himself on the foot twice!

Is that even constitutional under the US law?
To treat people like that only because their nationality?

Russia and its Soviet-era rulers need to be contained.

Nato needs to expand to the Russian borders, ASAP.

Crimea should be returned to Ukraine, Russian troops need to go home.

Nato must install their own bases in Crimea and control the Black Sea.

The civilized world should work with the Russian people to topple Putin, and help them transition into a modern democratic society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZpkVtoR9Xw

They are more than willing since they don't want a win-win negotiation. The US forget about Taiwan-China unification issue this time and it looks like China isn't going to stoop down to ignite a war. So they have to find another way to make war by having a narrative for the Ukraine-Russia invasion.

We all know Biden's mental health is not good and can't decide well which only Blinken can do all these as he is one of the warmongers. War is essential for the US for its economy built by the military-industrial complex. War will save the US economy.
Russia's proposal is a win-win by Not expanding NATO near  Russia's border and Russia remains as is. But why is this not good for the US?

It's good that Germany acts as moderator this time though. They are not allowing military arms to ship to Ukraine which is good.

China and Russia have no problem being business partners, so the US can place whatever sanctions they'd like. Russia's economy isn't very strong, they only have nuclear weapons which makes them a global power.

Question remains how much is the US willing to concede of Ukraine before any military conflict. It's my opinion that they will refuse any military intervention even in the event of a full invasion. I could be wrong, but there is no motivation for the west to defend a non-NATO country. Besides, they don't have any oil either 

He is a carbon copy of Hitler.  Delusional nationalist.

He just signaled which countries he is going to attack next.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-wants-nato-forces-leave-romania-bulgaria-foreign-ministry-2022-01-21/

In Romania, he is going to meet his Waterloo.

West must stop doing any business with Russia.  Gas or no gas.  Fuck them.

Confiscate all assets that Russian nationals have abroad. 
Revoke all visas given to Russians, do not let them into your countries. Don't talk to Russia, just do your thing.

Demand he withdraws from Belarus and Ukraine/Crimea.

I don't think the EU will approve that. Germany the most wealthy in the EU even want peace and no one in Germany sees that all these misunderstandings are caused by Russia doing. The West is very much opposing the pipeline from Russia to Germany making Germany independent of energy sources. In any case, the action will bite back to the west that's why they have to negotiate that Blinken is going.

Can't help seeing how related it is that the head of CIA is seeing the head of Germany like how he did with the previous Afghanistan president before the taking over of Talibans. There is no Hitler today but just fighting back the US regime from keeping sanctions on every country.

And who will be doing the 'destroying'?

Who gives Russia the right to destroy Eastern Ukraine?

Why would Russia destroy Ukraine once they join NATO?  What the fuck is their problem?

BTW, Ukraine would be much better off if they joined NATO and the EU.

Look at what happened to other Soviet satellite countries after they joined the EU.  

BTW, almost all Ukrainians speak Ukrainian and Russian, even people living in Western Ukraine speak Russian fluently. All this language prosecution talk is just a pretext to annex Eastern Ukraine and install military bases with missile launchers pointed at Warsaw, Berlin, Budapest, and Bonn.  What is next?  Lithuania, Poland? I am sure there are Russian speakers in those countries as well.  How about Canada?
Plenty of Russians in Canada and the US.

Putin is just another Hitler. End of story.  He must be stopped.  West does not fully understand the consequences of inaction.

History is about to repeat itself.

We should really see the whole thing from the top view as to why all these are happening. Ukraine has people of Russian speaking. They favor to be on the side with Russian actually. You have to listen to both sides of the media from west and east. What is the purpose of Ukraine to join NATO?

If Ukraine will join NATO, they are the only ones that will be destroyed here. It's thier country that will be ruined. Not Russia nor US or the UK but only Ukraine. IT will be the battlefield because if it becomes part of NATO, the troops of the US will be there with the troops of Ukraine.  

And who do you think had invaded when the war starts, who is not in their home?

After Biden's press conference, you can expect an invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

As many have predicted, the US will not be supporting Ukraine if an invasion were to commence. Russia can use Biden's press conference as a segue to an invasion as the US have made their intent to Putin very clear. Any defense systems the US may have funded and implemented in the area are futile to Russia's army. Biden alluding to defensive systems placed in Ukraine, as if they would make any difference. Finland's PM has said their nation will likely not join NATO, meanwhile Ukraine is begging to join NATO. I imagine Finland's PM would be of a different opinion under the threat of Russian aggression, not that Putin is interested anyways.

In Ukraine, everything has become much worse than it was a year ago. The new government, headed by President Zelensky, is pulling the people down. Last week, the country's administration adopted a resolution on the maximum markup on essential products of no more than 10%, which includes the most basic products: buckwheat, pasta, sugar, flour, eggs, milk and poultry. Because of this, grocery markets refused to supply products to the end consumer. This is justified by the fact that marginality does not cover the costs of logistics, seasonal write-off of products and other operating services.
Russia entered Ukraine from the inside, they recruited Zelensky so that no one understood that he was pro-Russian. We launched a large advertising company, to which people reacted with their vote.

The Finns have already once experienced the treachery of the Russians and, in a difficult struggle, have retained their independence. Today, when it is clear that Putin's goal is to restore the Russian empire, Finland has no chance of fighting the Russians alone, so they need NATO.

Russia has the economy of Italy.

If it weren't its nuclear weapons, Russia would be a military joke. Even if it spends much more on arms than any other country.

The nuclear arms gives it a concerning weight, though.

The Ukrainian adventure scared the hell of the Fins, Pols and the Baltic peoples, with some reason.

The Pols (or the Checks) never forgot about the western betrayal on Munich and the Second World War.

Finland should join NATO asap.

We need NATO bases on the border with Russia asap.

Putin needs to be contained.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/politics/us-intelligence-russia-false-flag/index.html

Adding more uncertainty to the mix, there's the possibility of a Russian false flag in order to justify the invasion of Ukraine. In addition, a cyber attack targeted Ukrainian government websites. On the note of an alleged false flag being planned by Russia, this allegation is stemming from US intelligence, so I'd take it with a grain of salt. I still believe the US does not care enough about Ukraine to intervene, and any other NATO countries are obviously not going to get themselves involved either. Consider Ukraine gone if Putin wants to invade with military intervention. Ukraine isn't powerful enough to defend its own sovereignty.

Neutrality is no longer what was used to be.

The Belgians had to be invaded twice to realize it.

The Dutch and the Norwegians only needed the Second World War.

The Cold War forced Finns to keep strict neutrality.

This statement by Finland is a reaction to a demand from Russia on December 2021 not to join NATO. We'll see if the Finns will adopt more than words.

Alik Bakhshi

Finland on the way to NATO

    In connection with Russia's ultimatum to the West not to accept NATO countries that fled from the Russian Empire, which would make them defenseless against Moscow's revanchist goal of returning them to the bosom of the empire, Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin announced Finland's possible application for NATO membership. The Finns already had to single-handedly defend their freedom from Russia in 1939-1940, and again to be alone before the Evil Empire means to clothe the country with difficult trials. Prosperous Finland, as a former colony of Russia, is an indicative example for other peoples of the Russian Empire and undoubtedly arouses special rage in the revanchist Putin by its very existence. Putin simply cannot allow the Ukrainian people to follow Finland's example, which would be a big offense for the Russians, and therefore decided to deprive Ukraine of such an opportunity by unleashing a war.

    By the way, Sweden may also follow Finland, which has more than once expressed concern about the appearance of Russian submarines in its territorial waters. The Russian Foreign Ministry threateningly warned Sweden and Finland about a response from Russia in the form of military-political actions. The aggressive intentions of the newly-minted Hitler in the person of Putin are more and more rallying the West and faster and faster bringing the Russian Empire closer to its final disintegration.


  03/01/2022