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Topic: Finmail - Email service with native support for BTC/USDT (Read 1554 times)

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Hope everyone is fine. The Finmail mailbox service has been re-launched since Aug 1st 2022 and, operated by Finmail Limited based in Hong Kong. The original company "Securechain ApS" in Denmark has also been closed.

The new Finmail supports AI/GPT through the AskGPT feature, which will be a great help to streamline users' daily work, such as composing, briefing or translating documents. Users can send their questions/messages to [email protected] and get AI’s response immediately, then they can reply with more questions or requirements under the same context.

One of the benefit using email is that, if a user needs to change AI context, he/she can simply modify old emails then send to AI again. It is not possible in traditional chatting environment, in which a user can only add additional information to current chatting to update AI context.

Another feature is Finmail Git, which enables users to create own public/private repositories. We hope all these features will make underlying infrastructures earlier to use and, promote users' productivity especially as freelancers.

The freelance marketplace has not been re-launched. It may be re-launched in future, but not decided yet.

On the other hand, Securechain and SecureCoin will be maintained by an independent group, so it will be irrelevant to the company. In future, all Finmail related posts will be replied by "finmail" instead of "securechain".

In addition, if you had ever signed up for an account before Mar 1st 2022, you are welcome to claim it at https://www.finmail.com/claim-my-finmail-mailbox-account/, so that we can help activate it again.

Thank you for your support!
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The Finmail Mailbox and all relevant services will be closed after March this year. We thank you for your support and, hope we can cooperate in future!

The Finmail February Newsletter is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=25
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Monthly Update:
1. Since Omni Usdt has not been supported by most exchanges, the Finmail Payment service will be closed on February 20, 2022.
2. For the same reason above, the support for Finmail Add-in for Outlook/Hotmail/Office 365 will end on January 31, 2022.
3. Due to low revenue for a long time, the Finmail Mailbox and other services will end on February 28, 2022.
4. All pending articles have been reviewed and rewarded to the authors' Finmail Payment accounts.

We appreciate your long-term support and, hope our service has provided you with some help in the past days.

The Finmail January Newsletter is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=24
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Thanks for the feedback!! If you are interested in, you are welcome to give user improvement proposals or even code review, through our open tasks 1 and 2, i.e. https://www.finmail.com/post/task-1-finmail-add-in-survey.
The Freelance Marketplace is temporarily closed. See https://www.finmail.com/blog/news/the-freelance-marketplace-will-be-temporarily-closed-from-november-8-2021/

Also cryptoQueez is not from Finmail
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Thanks for the feedback!! If you are interested in, you are welcome to give user improvement proposals or even code review, through our open tasks 1 and 2, i.e. https://www.finmail.com/post/task-1-finmail-add-in-survey.
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Monthly Update:
1. The account cleanup action was completed

The Finmail December Newsletter is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=23

With your great support this year, Finmail has released several new features and improved many existing services. Thank you for your collaboration and help in the past year!

Merry Christmas Smiley
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Monthly Update:
1. The Freelance Marketplace is temporarily close to allow better focus on the Finmail Mailbox service.
2. The Finmail Mailbox account cleanup action is expected to be completed by the end of November.


The Finmail November Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=22
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Monthly Update:
1. The Finmail email account terms of use are updated to prevent abuse.
2. The system backend is also upgraded to enforce the updated terms of use.


The Finmail October Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=20
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Monthly Update:
1. The system has been enhanced to prevent potential network attacks such as DDoS.
2. Finmail Mailbox has more than 130,000 registered users.


The Finmail September Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=17
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Monthly Update:
1. Finmail Mailbox has more than 120,000 registered users.
2. We have received more than 100 new article submissions, whose quality has been significantly improved, especially in terms of culture.


The Finmail August Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=16
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Monthly Update:
1. To meet different types of Finmail Mailbox users, we have introduced a new pricing plan.
2. To prevent abuse, we have initiated account cleanup.
3. To improved article vividness, the specification for task 9 has been updated.
4. Finmail Mailbox has more than 110,000 registered users.


The Finmail July Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=15
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Monthly Update:
1. Finmail Mailbox has more than 100,000 registered users.
2. On June 22, “kr**[email protected]” became the 100,000th user. To celebrate this breakthrough, 200 USDT has been rewarded to the user’s Finmail email account.
3. The specifications for Subject Writing tasks 8 and 9 have been updated to improve article quality.


The Finmail June Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=14
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Monthly Update:
1. To improve quality also to support more subscribers, the Finmail Newsletter system has been moved to the WordPress Writing platform.
2. Finmail Mailbox has more than 80,000 registered users.


The Finmail May Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://www.finmail.com/?na=view&id=13
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I am pleased to read your updates, and I would say that a 20% increase in registrations is a pretty good achievement. Perhaps you should also consider applying to participate in mit100k, I am sure this step will help in scaling. If you make it to at least the quarter finals, your project will be talked about all over the world. By the way, it was with mit100k that the history of ProtonMail began.

The Finmail April Newsletter in 2021 is available at http://xro3s.mjt.lu/nl2/xro3s/x1to.html
how about HTTPS?
Thank you for your comment and, we will consider the event.
Also the link has been changed to HTTPS.
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I am pleased to read your updates, and I would say that a 20% increase in registrations is a pretty good achievement. Perhaps you should also consider applying to participate in mit100k, I am sure this step will help in scaling. If you make it to at least the quarter finals, your project will be talked about all over the world. By the way, it was with mit100k that the history of ProtonMail began.

The Finmail April Newsletter in 2021 is available at http://xro3s.mjt.lu/nl2/xro3s/x1to.html
how about HTTPS?
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Monthly Update:
1. Finmail Mailbox has more than 70,000 registered users.
2. 2FA feature is strongly recommended for Finmail Mailbox users to increase security level.

The Finmail April Newsletter in 2021 is available at https://xro3s.mjt.lu/nl2/xro3s/x1to.html
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Activity: 100
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Monthly Update:
1. The backend service of Finmail Mailbox is improved.
2. Finmail Mailbox has approximately 60,000 registered users.
3. The specifications of Subject Writing Tasks 8 and 9 have been updated to ensure the quality of articles.

The Finmail March Newsletter in 2021 is available at http://xro3s.mjt.lu/nl2/xro3s/rr5.html
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Monthly Update:
1. Finmail Shop is launched, which provides value-added products and/or services.
2. Finmail Mailbox has approximately 40,000 registered users.
3. Due to increased number of submissions, the specification of Task 9 has been updated to ensure the quality of articles.

The Finmail February Newsletter in 2021 is available at http://xro3s.mjt.lu/nl2/xro3s/g7p.html
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Meanwhile, it is not suggested to use common name/word like "Bitcoin" and/or "Crypto" to be username, since it may confuse the receiver of sender's identity.
Trying to register such a unique username is kind of like getting a digital "souvenir" (however, you should have kept such rare usernames blocked), though if you think about it, what is the use of early access? It's nice to see that you are quite active, but you probably need a lot of investment to scale. Try contacting Protonmail, they support this type of project ... and I also recommend that you post information about the project on producthunt (let me know if you need help).
Thank you for your comment and idea, which is very valuable! It is true that probably we need some investment, but we will consider it carefully before moving forward.
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Meanwhile, it is not suggested to use common name/word like "Bitcoin" and/or "Crypto" to be username, since it may confuse the receiver of sender's identity.
Trying to register such a unique username is kind of like getting a digital "souvenir" (however, you should have kept such rare usernames blocked), though if you think about it, what is the use of early access? It's nice to see that you are quite active, but you probably need a lot of investment to scale. Try contacting Protonmail, they support this type of project ... and I also recommend that you post information about the project on producthunt (let me know if you need help).
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I love getting early access ... so I decided to test your product a bit and it was completely unexpected for me that the username "@username" was available for registration, and I took it .. (although for example usernames such as "Bitcoin, Crypto, OgAss" were already taken). As for the product, I like the idea and the interface, but I'll write about that a little later.


Thank you for your comment and support!

Meanwhile, it is not suggested to use common name/word like "Bitcoin" and/or "Crypto" to be username, since it may confuse the receiver of sender's identity.

We will continue to improve the service and, hope it can benefit more people.
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Hello! I love the idea of the project and I have couple of questions
1. Only transfers of BTC/USDT available?
2. Do u plan to implement altcoins?
3. Can I tansfer coin to bitcoin fog or other similar wallets?
4. Do you plan to make mobile application?
5. How do you secure freelancers? Do you have your own ESCROW service?
Thank you for your support Smiley The answers are as below:

1. Yes, presently only BTC/USDT are supported. It is because for reward purpose in USD, BTC/USDT is sufficient. ETH may be introduced in future.
2. Probably. It mainly depends on market demand.
3. Sorry but we are not familiar with bitcoin fog. However, if it supports BTC and/or USDT on Omni network, probably it is possible.
4. We are considering making a mobile application, but not decided yet. Presently you can use web browser on mobile to view the site, which will be displayed in mobile version.
5. It is a big point. We had ever implemented escrow service in the legacy site at https://legacy.finmail.com. After moving to the new/current site, we are considering improving the process, so the same feature has not been implemented yet. We may release the feature in future.
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I love getting early access ... so I decided to test your product a bit and it was completely unexpected for me that the username "@username" was available for registration, and I took it .. (although for example usernames such as "Bitcoin, Crypto, OgAss" were already taken). As for the product, I like the idea and the interface, but I'll write about that a little later.

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Hello! I love the idea of the project and I have couple of questions
1. Only transfers of BTC/USDT available?
2. Do u plan to implement altcoins?
3. Can I tansfer coin to bitcoin fog or other similar wallets?
4. Do you plan to make mobile application?
5. How do you secure freelancers? Do you have your own ESCROW service?
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Monthly Update:
1. Since its launch on November 1, 2020, Finmail Mailbox now has more than 20,000 registered users. On January 7, 2021, “ro**[email protected]” became the 10,000th user. To celebrate this breakthrough, 200 USDT has been awarded to the user’s Finmail account.
2. A new feature "Today's Cuisine Travel" is added to the mailbox
3. Due to increased number of submissions, the specification of Task 8 has been updated to ensure the quality of articles.

The Finmail January Newsletter in 2021 is available at http://xro3s.mjt.lu/nl2/xro3s/ovx.html
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2-Factor Authentication feature  seems to be out of commission. Both "Create secret" and "Show recovery codes" button grayed out and do not work  when "Activate" box is checked. Is that function still developed? It would be nice to have U2F authentication as well.  Guidance on how to send / receive crypto using FinMail service would be greatly appreciated.

UPD: managed to make 2FA working but I don't understand how I did it through randomized clicking on various buttons, either a bug or not straightforward implementation.
Thank you for your comment, which is very valuable. U2F authentication may be useful for payment related users and, we'll consider supporting it. A new guide on how to use Finmail Mailbox may also be introduced in the main site.

To enable 2FA, please try the steps below:
Login -> Click "Settings" -> Click "2-Factor Authentication" -> Click "Fill all fields" -> Scan QR code -> In the text field right to the "Check code" button, fill in the auth code on your cell phone -> Click "Check code" -> A message shows "Code OK" -> Click "Save" -> Done
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I don`t completely understand what role cryptocurrencies have in your project. Could I transfer them just with the e-mail, right? I think project is quite local, because I really don`t see it necessity in my life, but it looks really strong and hope Finmail will find own consumers
Thank you for your comment. Presently you can transfer BTC/USDT using email addresses within Finmail, Hotmail, Outlook and Office 365 users by internal transfer. As mentioned in the last post, options 2 and 3 enable different email hosts to transfer BTC/USDT in between by email addresses as well. Since different hosts are completely independent, we have to rely on cryptocurrencies to transfer value between them.
In future we also hope to transfer digital currencies together with e-mail, which should be technically feasible.
Although not totally sure, we believe the project will make people's lives more convenient in future.
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I don`t completely understand what role cryptocurrencies have in your project. Could I transfer them just with the e-mail, right? I think project is quite local, because I really don`t see it necessity in my life, but it looks really strong and hope Finmail will find own consumers
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Will users be able to self-custody?
It is possible. Presently we are expected to support the following custody options:

1. Use @finmail.com as main domain to handle both email and digital currency. All domain, mailbox and coin wallets are hosted by us, like the Finmail Mailbox.
2. Use custom domain from users. Domain is self-custody by users, while mailbox and coin wallets are hosted by us.
3. All domain, mailbox and coin wallets are self-custody by users.

All transfers of BTC/USDT can be made by email address. Within the same hosts, they goes through internal transfer to enjoy low cost and high efficiency, while between different hosts they goes through external transfer, i.e. BTC/USDT network.

Users can also send/receive just coins by email addresses, if they do not plan to use mailbox. In this case, there is no need to host mailbox.

All 3 options have been realized through our internal test. However, since option 3 needs to release source code to users, for security purpose, it may not be available at the moment. We may release options 3 when appropriate.

If interested, you are welcome to try option 1 and 2. To option 2, please contact us for more details.
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Will users be able to self-custody?
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Thank you for the comments, which are quite valuable.

To solve the partial refund issue, it is true that due to the relatively low transaction speed and high fee of Bitcoin, more currencies need to be introduced, for example LTC and USDT, etc. In this way, we are using the "remittance" or "clearing" approach, which is also how email is working.

Alternatively, some semi-centralized or centralized mechanisms can also be introduced, for example lighting network and third-party service. In this way, the value transfer is kind of "payment", which is usually faster and fault-tolerant. However, the network covered by payment service is usually smaller than email. Therefore these approaches will be good supplement to the add-in, but the foundation will still be digital currency.

The current support for Microsoft email is due to the fact that Outlook/Hotmail has wider acceptance globally than Gmail, although Gmail has more users than Outlook. In addition, the development environment for Outlook is very mature, which makes is easy for us to turn the idea into production. After the add-in for Outlook/Hotmail, we will naturally continue the development for other brands including Gmail, if the market turns out to be valuable.

It might be true that it will be a humongous task to make people trust the add-in and their online money (personally I do not like this word). However just like online payment 20 years ago and, cloud service 10 years ago, the change of publicity in internet age is always faster than old days. In addition, regardless the publicity, if the project is really a cornerstone, it will be able to show the beneficial value to the society, which we believe so.

Hello dude, I think you must also consider this one

this is for the better and improvement in regarding to your post here anyway. Although, I am reviewing it right now all the statement mentioned in the above as well.

Thank you for the comments. We have updated the topic subject and the first post, which reflects the latest development of Finmail. Hope it is fine.
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Thank you for the comments, which are quite valuable.

To solve the partial refund issue, it is true that due to the relatively low transaction speed and high fee of Bitcoin, more currencies need to be introduced, for example LTC and USDT, etc. In this way, we are using the "remittance" or "clearing" approach, which is also how email is working.

Alternatively, some semi-centralized or centralized mechanisms can also be introduced, for example lighting network and third-party service. In this way, the value transfer is kind of "payment", which is usually faster and fault-tolerant. However, the network covered by payment service is usually smaller than email. Therefore these approaches will be good supplement to the add-in, but the foundation will still be digital currency.

The current support for Microsoft email is due to the fact that Outlook/Hotmail has wider acceptance globally than Gmail, although Gmail has more users than Outlook. In addition, the development environment for Outlook is very mature, which makes is easy for us to turn the idea into production. After the add-in for Outlook/Hotmail, we will naturally continue the development for other brands including Gmail, if the market turns out to be valuable.

It might be true that it will be a humongous task to make people trust the add-in and their online money (personally I do not like this word). However just like online payment 20 years ago and, cloud service 10 years ago, the change of publicity in internet age is always faster than old days. In addition, regardless the publicity, if the project is really a cornerstone, it will be able to show the beneficial value to the society, which we believe so.

Hello dude, I think you must also consider this one

this is for the better and improvement in regarding to your post here anyway. Although, I am reviewing it right now all the statement mentioned in the above as well.
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Monthly Update:
1. The main site "www.finmail.com" has been moved to the original Finmail Focus site and, the old domain "blog.finamil.com" is obsoleted.
2. A new section "Cuisine Travel by Finmail" has been added to the frontpage for cuisine travelers.
3. A new Knowledge Base system has been introduced to archive all supporting and help documents.
4.With the move of main site, the newsletter system has also been updated.

The Finmail December Newsletter is available at http://xro3s.mjt.lu/nl2/xro3s/msk.html?m=AMAAAI23M08AAAAAGcQAAADkzWAAAAAALHEAAByzABbQhQBf5iQFo_9nVscLQw6N9qththFICgAWcgk&b=97fca125&e=d13f48d3&x=NsQvKZRkXv_BiFdAPsn41w

Although this year has been very challenging, Finmail is still developing rapidly with your great support and our joint effort. Thank you for your assistance and collaboration in the part year!

Merry Christmas  Smiley
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With the launch of Finmail Mailbox, this month will be a milestone in our team's history. Here's the Monthly Update:
1. Finmail Mailbox is officially launched on Nov 1, 2020.
2. Both Finmail Payment and Work have been moved to Finmail Mailbox and integrated as internal facilities.
3. To encourage transfers to Finmail Mailbox, the reward for all approved submissions between Nov 11 and Nov 13 has been doubled.
4. Due to increasing number of submissions, the task specifications have been updated.
5. There have been several news reports about Finmail Mailbox, including Yahoo! Finance, PaymentsSource and PR Newswire, etc.

The Finmail November Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/c4NO8dC_2

Some news reports are available at:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/securechain-launches-finmail-mailbox-send-153400157.html
https://www.paymentssource.com/news/alipay-comes-to-u-s-vending-machines-nrf-predicts-bountiful-holiday-sales
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/securechain-launches-finmail-mailbox-to-send-digital-currency-by-email-301178004.html?tc=eml_cleartime
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Monthly Update:
1. Finmail Mailbox, a new email service integrated with digital currency, has started internal testing.
2. More than 200 people have received our invitation to participate in the internal test of Finmail Mailbox
3. Both back-end and front-end of Finmail Payment has been updated to support Finmail Mailbox

The Finmail October Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/b7NLk4tJt
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Monthly Update:
1. The homepage of Finmail Focus is updated
2. The article layout is updated in order to encourage more voting and rating
2. The article handling process is improved

The Finmail September Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/44NJFvKXj
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Monthly Update:
1. Some task scopes are updated
2. The Finmail Focus website back-end is improved to be more efficient.
3. The number of new article submissions reaches around 150

The Finmail August Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/8eNGgqV5s
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Monthly Update:
1. A new version of Finmail Payment service is released, which enables all domain owners to use their domain-based email addresses to send/receive BTC/USDT payment. The service can be hosted either on cloud, or even on your own server.
2. A new version Finmail Add-in is released in Office Store, which is compatible with the updated Finmail Payment service.
3. The ID verification policy is updated, which enables people to post freelance tasks without the need of ID verification, if the reward is small.
4. A new user guide for Finmail Payment Web is online.

The Finmail July Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/ecNELXkJE
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Monthly Update:
1. In addition to personal submissions, solutions submitted by organizations are also accepted.
2. The back-end of Finmail Payment service is improved with emphasis on stability.
3. The number of article submissions maintains a record high.

The Finmail June Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/8dNBrEEjD
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Looks like an interesting project, I think the UX/UI could be improved but nonetheless it's a great idea.
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Looks like an interesting project, I think the UX/UI could be improved but nonetheless it's a great idea.
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Monthly Update:
1. The WordPress writing platform is being continuously improved
2. The number of article submissions keeps historical high
3. Due to bitcoin halving, the transaction fee was increased substantially in the last 2 weeks, and it has now gradually recovered.

The Finmail May Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/02N9BptSM
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Monthly Update:
1. Finmail Focus has been moved to WordPress
2. The review procedure is improved by online writing
3. All new articles that have passed review will be published immediately
4. The back-end of Finmail Payment service is upgraded

The Finmail April Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/5aN6nNqWl
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Monthly Update:
1. A new internal points system "Finmail Credits" (FC) is introduced, which can be redeemed for most of Finmail services, but it cannot be changed back to cash or digital currencies.
2. The Finmail Credits can be topped-up up by Paypal or Credit Card.
3. The Finmail Credits is integrated to the "Post New Task" feature. By posting a new task, user can redeem Finmail Credits (FC) for USDT as task reward and, distribute it to task takers/winners in USDT.
4. The backend of Finmail Payment is improved.
5. In support of the fight against the rapidly spreading Covid-19, we donated DKK 3,500 (around $500) to the Danish Red Cross. It carries our best wishs and social responsibilities to the people of the world.

The Finmail March Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/b9N4CJ5mc

Wish everyone good health!
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Monthly Update:
1. A new "Post New Task" feature is introduced, which enables verified user to post their tasks together with payment/reward
2. A new subject writing task is introduced
3. Finmail Focus is introduced, which includes all featured solutions
4. The website is updated by category, which makes it easier and more intuitive to visit

The Finmail February Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/b5N1uVzr6
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Monthly Update:
1. A new ID Verification mechanism is introduced to improve security level, especially for task poster
2. A new round of Finmail Work Open Tasks has been successfully finished, with top-rated reward for $15.
3. More than 30 high quality articles are published in knowledge base with focus on blockchain technology, application and impacts, etc.

The Finmail January Newsletter in 2020 is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/87M-Hm0Cc

Happy New Year Smiley
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What can you say about this thing though: Coinbase CEO Armstrong Wins Patent for Tech Allowing Users to Email Bitcoin. What is your take on this one?

Disclaimer: All statements below are just personal opinion and, unofficial

Overall, the coinbase's (abbr. "cb") patent is more kind of extention to their exchange, while our solution is more kind of extention to today's email system. In another word, you can change "email" to "instant message" and, "email address" to "message user name", then cb's patent still works, although it may not be granted. However such change cannot be applied to our solution in general, as it is to send email "together with" digital currency and, partly based on SMTP/POP3 protocol.

Furthermore, cb's solution is a traditional centralized approach, that means, all payments rely on their exchange. To this point, cb's solution looks more an overlay of "message + payment". If we use "email + fiat", then it is how paypal works today. Such structure also breaks the characteristics of email that, when an email is sent out to receiver, the receiver should not rely on sender or other party, which is also what digital currency like BTC has. To this point, what we are trying to solve is to enable email system to have the same cross-platform capability to transfer value with help of digital currency. In this way, individual email host can also be its own value host and, a centalized 3rd party is nice to have, but not mandatory.
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What can you say about this thing though: Coinbase CEO Armstrong Wins Patent for Tech Allowing Users to Email Bitcoin. What is your take on this one?
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Monthly Update:
1. A new round of Finmail Work Open Tasks has been successfully finished, with top-rated reward for $30.
2. Some new features are introduced to the website, i.e. "Knowledge Base" and "My Reward", etc.
3. The forum is updated to sync with all public solutions.
4. The back-end of Finmail Payment is improved.

The Finmail December Newsletter is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/feMykowkt

Merry Christmas Smiley
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To sync with monthly newsletter, the monthly update here will be posted later together with the newsletter
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The Finmail November Newsletter is available at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/9dMwIpbV5#/main

Welcome to check Smiley
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Monthly Update:
1. The first round of Finmail Work open tasks was successfully finished on 27 Oct, 2019. The top-rated solution for task 3 has been applied to the website.
2. The Finmail Outlook Add-in has been updated to version 1.1.1.0, which has been approved by Microsoft and, available through Office Store.
3. The Finmail website has also been integrated with Finmail Payment. By signing up for a Finmail forum/membership account with a verified email account from any host, including Gmail and Yahoo, etc., the member can get access to Finmail Payment through member panel and, payout/receive/review USDT/BTC balances and transactions, etc.
4. The Finmail website has been updated with some new features, i.e. Reward List.
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A bit of a fustrating post to read, definetly isn't good on the eyes but it's very interesting... I like it a lot. I will recommend you to get a more graphic thread, it'll make this a lot easier Smiley.

There isn't a lot of information/concerns I have, I do think there is a huge need for wallet, email and other add-on features, and this is a great step towards it. Getting approved by Outlook was definetly a step forward to success.

Good luck!
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Thank you for the comment, which is highly valuable.

We have fixed the link, which should be working now.

Regarding security, it is true that there is a password protection when accessing an Outlook user's Finmail account. In the user guide at https://www.finmail.com/user-guide there is a statement that:

"To prevent someone from pretending to be you to reset your password when you are away from using email client, use a mailbox that cannot be viewed through your current email client, i.e. Hotmail/Outlook, as backup mailbox."

The overall system design is similar to a combination of online banking and digital currency: Finmail brings hypertext communication capability to both systems. In addition, Finmail brings borderless value transmission capability to online banking system, while it enables digital currency user to use email address as sender/receiver's payment address as well as their identifier. Therefore, we hope the new system will make collaborations based on Internet easier and, improve productivity.

The current add-in is still at early stage and, we are trying to make it more convenient. If you are interested in, you are welcome to give user experience feedback, improvement proposals or even code review, through our open tasks 1 and 2, i.e. https://www.finmail.com/post/task-1-finmail-add-in-survey. You may also get reward, although may not be as much as Bitcoin trading Wink
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The link that you give in the original post is dead, it links to a 404 now.

This looks kind of interesting? I guess it is useful to send payments at the same time as an email, so I guess it could save some time. What kind of security measures do you have implemented? Is it possible to, say if you're in an office, sit at the desk of someone with this Outlook extension installed and send all of their wallet contents to an address you control, or is there password/phrase protection?
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Monthly Update:
1. The infrastructure of Finmail Work is improved
2. The front-end of Finmail Outlook Add-in has been open sourced on Github
3. Several paid tasks are published on Finmail Work, including bug report and code review of the open sourced add-in
4. There are several news reports about Finmail Work on MarketWatch and PR News Wire, etc.:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/securechain-announces-launch-of-finmail-work-a-blockchain-based-freelance-marketplace-2019-09-24
    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/securechain-announces-launch-of-finmail-work-a-blockchain-based-freelance-marketplace-300924284.html

Check our October Newsletter at https://shoutout.wix.com/so/d7MtB1TpQ
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Monthly Update:
1. The introduction of USDT has been completed and, the updated add-in has been approved by Microsoft
2. Support sending an email notification to payment receiver when making a deposit.
3. Support sending payment to non-Finmail user by email address. An internal transfer will be made and, the payment receiver will get an email notification about how to get the balance.
4. A new platform - Finmail Work, which enables people anywhere to work or publish task and, get payment efficiently at low cost, has been online.
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Monthly Update:
1. The add-in is available through Microsoft Office Store:
    https://appsource.microsoft.com/en-us/product/office/WA200000173
2. There are news reports about Finmail on MarketWatch, Yahoo! Finance and Enterprise Times:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/securechain-announces-launch-of-finmail-e-mail-digital-asset-client-on-microsoft-office-store-2019-07-30
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/securechain-announces-launch-finmail-e-143700742.html
    https://www.enterprisetimes.co.uk/2019/08/02/finmail-is-an-e-mail-digital-asset-transfer-add-on-for-outlook-and-hotmail/
3. The introduction of USDT as stablecoin is in progress
4. UI is being improved to fit the change
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The Finmail Add-in for Outlook and Hotmail has been approved by Microsoft and, is available through Office Store

We have a great news that, the Finmail add-in for Outlook and Hotmail has been approved by Microsoft recently. Anyone can install it through Office Store.

The approve procedure takes more than 2 months in total, with several changes and improvements regarding user privacy, server stability, asset security and ease of use, etc. For example, as to financial security, all Finmail add-in users are required to create a Finmail account, sign in before using and sign out after using.

To make the add-in more applicable and convenient, we kindly request you to try the Finmail add-in and give some feedback. Our current priority is still to introduce a stability coin like USDT to the add-in, while taking account into other features like improving text templates inserted to the email content.

For more details about installation please refer to https://www.finmail.com/technical-support

Thank you for your support.
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Monthly Update:
1. Improved UI interface and introduction
2. Improved user account management. For example a user can hide all his/her account information by signing out. To sign in, a user needs to enter his/her Finmail password. In addition, a user can change either password, backup mailbox or both at the same time.
3. Support 2 types of internal transfer: transfer by BTC address and transfer by email address. If the receiving BTC or email address belongs to another Finmail user, the transfer between them will be internal and, completed immediately without fee. If the receiving BTC address does not belong to a Finmail user, traditional Bitcoin transfer will be taken with normal transaction fee.
4. Support selecting and calculating external transaction fee by speed, totally 4 levels at the moment.
5. Improved system architecture to provide high availability, strong security and low latency.
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Thank you for the messages. It is a very good idea to develop a Chrome extension to support Gmail/Yahoo. Presently we are still focusing on the add-in for Hotmail/Outlook. Once the product is basically shaped, we will consider extending to support other platforms.

Technically, to Gmail, it has a built-in add-in system, so it is probably easier to extend the support for it. However to Yahoo, it seems the webmail does not support third-party add-in. Therefore it may be required to develop the add-in at browser level, i.e. Chrome extensions, in order to bypass the limitation of Yahoo mail.

Also sorry for the massive paragraph, which might be kind of technical specification/white paper instead of product introduction. We'll try to improve the content in our website to make it more intuitive and elegant.

On the other hand, we are also planning to introduce other coins, i.e. USDT, to the add-in. Bitcoin is always the first one needs to support. However, just like the most expensive wine is not for drinking and, the most expensive watch is not for timing, the most expensive coin, i.e. Bitcoin, may not be the best one for remittance/payment. Therefore in addition to Bitcoin, it seems we also need to have a stable coin in the system to make it more practical.

The support for Lightning Network is very interesting and, we’ll consider it when the basic modeling of the product is done.

Anyway, thank you again for your kind idea and comments. Hope we can make it a great product together.
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Is there a way you can attach this as a Chrome extension so it works well with the in-browser mail services like Gmail/Yahoo? I didn't read the entire essay but from what it looks like one can easily plug in your product client based mailing services.

It's hard to read all those massive paragraphs without images or good fonts. Please make your product page more interesting.
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Thank you for the comments, which are very helpful.
We are always trying to improve the product and, hope more people can find it useful and convenient. For any idea or improvements to the add-in, please feel free to contact us.
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There is definitely a need for Bitcoin wallet add-ons for webmail and online email providers, because it already has a huge userbase and people in 3rd world countries need a easy way to send and receive Bitcoin.

It would be great if this can be linked to the Lightning Network, so that people can make cheap micro payments via their webmail accounts.  Tongue

Good luck with the project.  Wink
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Monthly Update:

1. Improved UI interface, which is more intuitive and easy to use.
2. Improved security mechanism, which leverages the use of password, backup mailbox and payout limit to secure the transaction. The approach of funding storage is also improved.
3. Support choosing transfer speed. The transaction fee is calculated according and automatically.
4. Support displaying realtime BTC price with certain interval, typically 1 min.
5. Support running the add-in also when reading an email.
6. Support running on all versions of Outlook and Hotmail clients, including Outlook for Windows, Outlook for MacOS, Outlook/Hotmail on web, Outlook app on iOS/Andriod, etc.


Welcome to visit https://www.finmail.com for more details. Any comment is highly appreciated.
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Thank you for the comments, which are quite valuable.

To solve the partial refund issue, it is true that due to the relatively low transaction speed and high fee of Bitcoin, more currencies need to be introduced, for example LTC and USDT, etc. In this way, we are using the "remittance" or "clearing" approach, which is also how email is working.

Alternatively, some semi-centralized or centralized mechanisms can also be introduced, for example lighting network and third-party service. In this way, the value transfer is kind of "payment", which is usually faster and fault-tolerant. However, the network covered by payment service is usually smaller than email. Therefore these approaches will be good supplement to the add-in, but the foundation will still be digital currency.

The current support for Microsoft email is due to the fact that Outlook/Hotmail has wider acceptance globally than Gmail, although Gmail has more users than Outlook. In addition, the development environment for Outlook is very mature, which makes is easy for us to turn the idea into production. After the add-in for Outlook/Hotmail, we will naturally continue the development for other brands including Gmail, if the market turns out to be valuable.

It might be true that it will be a humongous task to make people trust the add-in and their online money (personally I do not like this word). However just like online payment 20 years ago and, cloud service 10 years ago, the change of publicity in internet age is always faster than old days. In addition, regardless the publicity, if the project is really a cornerstone, it will be able to show the beneficial value to the society, which we believe so.
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People might be more willing to store their sensitive information on "Cloud services" but storing their money on these services would be a tricky ask. Bitcoin services are constantly under attack by hackers and criminals and a lot of them have suffered huge losses and loads of bad publicity, when these services got hacked.

The negativity and bad publicity in the media already fuelled the fears of most people towards Crypto currencies, so you will have a humongous task to educate people and beef up the security of this plug-in to get people to trust this with their money.  Wink

Good luck with this project, you are going to need it.  Wink
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I have read the whole user guide and the idea is good itself. It's good for the average guy but while reading the introduction I was thinking when the companies need to send a partial refund. It needs to have more currencies used, and the (maybe) downside I found (sorry) it's it can be used only with Microsoft web or desktop email.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a plan to make the addon compatible with other brands (Google and friends) or open source client?
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Thank you for the comments. We are very happy that you think this is a good idea.

The post has been updated to show the short url and abstract. As the article is kind of "knowledge marketing", probably it is better to leave it here, so that those who want to know the background can get the whole knowledge from the post without opening a new page.

The website seems to work fine on Chrome on Windows and iPhone. All images can be downloaded and displayed properly from our side. Therefore could you please give some more details about the site issue, i.e. which page has the problem and what images/texts cannot be displayed properly? Once verified, we'll try to fix them as soon as possible.

The security risk is always there. It is very important, but should not be a big issue. For example, to today's cloud technology, security is also the first priority. To any company or individual, if they move their internal documents to the cloud, they also run the risk of information leakage due to potential server or cloud provider issue. However, on one hand, the architecture of cloud is so advanced and flexible, which makes people "have to" move their valuable documents to it to reduce cost. On the other hand, cloud service providers also have mature security measures today, otherwise no one will use cloud.

To this point, cloud service provider is similar to digital currency exchange, while the former one is to host all types of information with different value and, the latter one is mainly to host private keys with high value. If cloud is secure enough, why can't exchange, or FINMAIL be secure enough? In addition, even though there are some big exchanges got hacked, there are still some survivors today, which shows the possibility of being highly secure.

The technology which enables email with the Bitcoin to arrive safely is a big topic. Probably we can discuss later when the patent is published.

BTW, as the project is based on email, we can also imagine the message like "You've got mail with Bitcoin".
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This can be a good idea to explore. Just imagine that instead of hearing "You've got mail" it would now be "You've got Bitcoin" but then again how the market can be reacting to this alternative would be dependent on many factors. I am just wondering if this technology can be really secured especially in the face of many hacks that affected many big exchanges. How can we make sure that the email with the Bitcoin can arrive safely at its destination with the Bitcoin intact?
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You need to rephrase the topic and the site, the idea looks beautiful but the implementation is bad:
Many images do not work, choosing interface makes reading a lot of difficult words, colors, and fonts.
Also, publish short links to the adds-on and some information about them here as an alternative to this lengthy introduction.
Good luck.
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Short product url: https://www.finmail.com

Abstract

Finmail is an email system with native support for BTC/USDT. Users can use Finmail to handle both Email and BTC/USDT in the same platform and use email address to transfer value, which is especially suitable for freelancers. The accompany add-in for Outlook/Hotmail/Office 365 is approved by Microsoft and, can be installed from Office store directly. It extends support to Outlook/Hotmail/Office 365 users.

Since its launch in Nov 2020, Finmail Mailbox has reached more than 4,000 new user registrations. If you are interested in trying new features or simply getting a new @finmail.com email address, welcome to sign up. If you are Outlook/Hotmail/Office 365 users, you are also welcome to try the add-in.


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For a long time, e-mail has been widely used in information network thanks to its efficiency, security and cross-platform capability, and has become one of the fundamental network services. Meanwhile, the emerging of value network represented by bitcoin and other digital currencies has made it possible to remit currencies across platforms within the whole network. Although e-mail and digital currency share natural similarities, such as anonymity, low latency, barrier-free cross-platform transmission and, irretrievability after sending, there are still no services that integrate them. This product, through the combination of e-mail and digital currency, enables simultaneous cross-platform transmission capability of both information and value for the first time, which facilitates the integration and development of today’s information network and emerging value network.

​From a historical perspective, postal and remittances have a natural connection point, and the main difference between them is whether they are transmitting information or value. In early days, people used postal remittances as the main means of remittance. With the development of banking industry, remittances gradually turns into telegraph, whose typical application is SWIFT, which is still widely used for cross-border remittances. Later on, post industry gradually integrated with banking industry, which resulted in postal bank and other institutions.

​With further development of communication methods, the remittance carrier gradually turned into telecommunications and Internet, whose typical representatives are telephone banking and online banking. Due to the limitation of traditional paper account, the “Internatelization” of bank is not thorough. People still need to use complex account numbers, payees and clearing numbers when making remittance, while the main improvement is that the handwritten form is converted into electronic form. The emergence of bank cards makes the payment process simple and fast, however as it is still based on bank account, such approach is still an intermediate form between paper and network, not totally for Internet.

​As information network appeared first, the development of related industries is still dominated by information, which results in the separation of information and value transmission. As a means of information transmission entirely carried by Internet, e-mail can be transmitted in the entire network completely independent from the physical entity, while third-party payment method, which is popular today and the closest form to Internet, still needs to rely on bank system, i.e. bank card based on traditional paper account. In other words, third-party payment only expresses the value in form of information, rather than storing and transmit value in network, which results in the disconnection of information and value transmission capabilities.

​To industries, on the information network, after the emergence of e-mail, there have been e-commerce, online payment, instant messaging and cloud computing, etc.. These business models have been developed rapidly and, virtualized and digitalized most of social resources, thereafter the Big Data becomes the backbone of business. However, in value network, industries still rely on banking system to perform inefficient regional support and, it is difficult to obtain time efficiency and radiation capability within the whole network just like information network. In another word, although “internet thinking” has been realized on information network, there is still “physical thinking” on value network. As a matter of different dimensions, the efficiency and vitality of network are much greater than the latter, just like the difference between an airplane and a car: the long-distance transmission capability of flight realized by “height” in the three-dimensional world is much higher than that of a car, which is only on the ground, or say in a two-dimensional world.

​If we say information network is equivalent to human nervous system, then big data and cloud computing are similar to human brain and, their importance is beyond doubt. At the same time, the blood circulation system at the network level is still “stored” in bank in physical form, making it difficult to balance the development of the network ecosystem as a whole. In other words, to a highly developed nervous system which relies on a weak blood system to provide nutrients, it is hard to imagine that such a system can function properly.

​The emergence of digital currencies such as Bitcoin has made the network-based “blood circulation system” possible. As the cornerstone of value network, digital currency and e-mail share similar characteristics and, the main difference is whether value or information is transmitted. In this sense, digital currency and e-mail are equivalent to the online version of postal remittances, and the former one is completely independent of the latter one. Digital currency promotes the bank’s paper system to network system and, promotes a third-party payment system which contains a single channel or a small number of channels to a system that contains a large number of mutually reciprocal remittance channels, just like upgrading a straight line into a plane. A similar digital currency development path can be expected with reference to the development of e-mail.

​As the bottom layer of digital currency,  although the characteristics of blockchain technology such as non-tampering are applicable to many fields, for example legal confirmation and source traceability, its core value still lies in digital currency. The use of legal confirmation and other purposes belong to information network fundamentally. Therefore the blockchain technology for such purpose is just a branch of database technology. In other words, even without blockchain, a similar result can still be achieved by other means, that is, the blockchain technology does not have much technical or cost advantage. However, in the field of digital currency, the use of blockchain belongs to the construction of a new value network, which has the effect that other technologies cannot achieve, and its significance far exceeds database technology. On this basis, the total amount of digital currency is not limited by certain economic policies, but only to make it rare to get value.

​Therefore, we try to take the first small step into the integration of information network and value network, namely the FINMAIL Mailbox and Outlook Add-in. It is believed that with the development of technology and the maturity of regulation, related applications will bring increasing value to society and business and, become the cornerstone of more fields.

The technology involved in this application has applied for relevant patents.

Find more at https://www.finmail.com
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