Topic: FJ Agrees to make payment after extraordinary display of scumminess(Cliffs inOP) (Read 7263 times)

obvious scammer casino which wont pay promised prizes without heavy pressure

Obvious shill is Obvious.

Well done on creating an account just to post this.

The most honest FortuneJack bitcoin casino , and the payouts for video konkurs was paid

Once again, we payed out all contestants, the reason S1ng wrote again was that player had 2 accounts at Fortunejack. The video was uploaded by 2 contestants.


The acquisition was raised because of us not paying out Video Contest prizes. We had our arguments about it, in the end, we still payed out and therefore, acquisition must be closed. You are the only community member demanding us to regret we did not pay out in time, while contestants themselves seem to be satisfied with the outcome of your reference.


There were no winners for the contest, the promotion was void! We would never post 'we payed out all contestants' without crediting their accounts. Raising doubts like this is not necessary and does not sound professional.

Last time you said you paid everyone (on May 19th) you were lying. I think you still have only paid the players who know about this thread.
You said you would announce the winners, and I don't see any good reason not to - unless you only paid some of them... 


I should also point out to everyone that FortuneJack does not seem to regret the way they have handled this situation in general.  It was all denies and lies, then one day "WE PAYED EVERYONE SO TAKE OFF OUR RED TRUST!" (which was also a lie)

Not even an attempt at convincing players that they plan on behaving any differently in the future.

Each video contestant was payed, we cannot distribute transactions due to our privacy policy.

The player you are referring to, S1ng, confirmed receive of the funds.

Seems like they chose to say they would pay all contenstants and then just pay those who they think would know and/or complain.


MAY 19th they claim everyone has been paid
player claims they were not paid
MAY 20th I request list of paid winners (never receive reply)
MAY 23rd Player who spoke up about not being paid received payment

This may seem petty, but It's one of many pieces of evidence that suggests FortuneJack has ultimately not decided to change their ways.  If they think they will get away with it, and it's easier than telling the truth, they will lie.

https://blockchain.info/tx/b03fe39a5ebe4a8194970eb39a58d5e39516bd8cbd49d188ecac913bdc9cc000

I have received it too ,the prize for the contest !

Thanks FortuneJack !

Thanks TwitchySeal !

All happened because TwitchySeal made this came into light.Otherwise they would have gone away with videos paying participants small amount of BTC.It is great to see a community member to work towards the right way .You earned my respect TwitchySeal.

Im Confirming here that I received .3 BTC Two days ago,

Provide a list of the contestants who were paid in total 3 BTC.

People are claiming you did not pay.


No they aren't.  lol  Sig campaign thread isn't self moderated. I've never wore any signature advertising any site EVER.

 The whole marketing team= Tako?  Same person who is likely to blame for this entire mess?

And I'm still not received anything from the contest !
You're publishing my video it means that you're accept my video and will pay afterward but ...





No ! This case must be continue ... !

What I'm saying is the picture that you posted (as an example to back your case) is the same type of structure seen here (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14400688).

It seems that the payout from that poker tournament would be paying out 303.6mBTC EACH.  Are you saying that those payouts referenced only pay out 101.2 each?

No, we counted promotion void as there was no winner announced, nobody accumulated enough views. To our point of view, the whole accusation was about whether it was correct to void the promotion and not pay out the prizes for the rest of the contestants, or not. Concerned to those, whom T&C did not determine the minimal view requirement.

In the end, as you can see, we still payed out the prizes, so the accusation must be closed for now.

You can just read what I said in OP of this thread.  The only reason were still discussing 3btc each vs 3btc split is because you decided to lie over and over:





So you ignored it for weeks, then you told countless lies about it, then you tried to blame someone else and made up lies about me, now you expect to be trusted...hmm

I hope that other players will read this thread and realize that the more we stand up for ourselves the less we will get screwed.  At the very least sites like FortuneJack will think twice before trying a scumbag move in the future.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14400688
Here's the reply posted by accusation author TwitchySeal to our thread, where he brought to community's attention the terms of Video Contest, from where we can read:
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We payed out all of the contestants the split prize of 3 BTC as it was noted in T&C, therefore, the accusation must be closed.

Umm... I'm pretty sure that the picture you're showing actually means that 10, 11, and 12th place get 303.6 mBTC EACH just like your video contest was supposed to be . 

If it were split between those places, it'd most likely be written 10 - 101.2, 11 - 101.2, 12 - 101.2 or 10-12: 101.2.

If it actually is splt, it's very deceptive to your players especially since it's following a relatively similar increase/decrease in pay spots. 

Either case, you're just pouring more fuel to the fire at your own hand.

as per my understanding of the video contest rules say that we as 4th to 13th participants would receive 3 btc split based on fj statement "Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each"
so it would solve at least one problem of fj video contest if they decide to pay that amount (around 0.3 each) i as participant glad to hear fj have an intention to do it. so far just it. let's see what would happen in this story.

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Edit : i can confirm that i have received the amount promised to honor participants worth 0.3 about 1 hour ago kindly to all participants check your email and fj account.
i thought so far fj video contest accussation solved as fj already sent the amount promised 3 btc split prize.

They are saying themselves they meant to pay 3btc shared, that would be fine too. 

I pointed out in the first post that even though they said "3 bitcoin each" I thought it might be "3 bitcoin shared"

Only reason we're still discussing "3btc each vs 3btc shared" is because instead of addressing the issue directly and apologizing for the mistake, they lied about it and tried to make it seem like someone else should be held accountable for the rules they posted about a contest they were running.  

As of today, they haven't apologized or admitted to doing anything wrong.

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Might as well ad them taking more rake than advertised and not really seeming to give a shit.

it's obvious they did not intend to pay 3BTC to each, i was about to enter the contest but somehow forgotten about it, i made video for crypto-games and got 0.05BTC that's why i propose this as solution.

Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.

@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.

We already know you are scum for not paying out 3btc  split or 3btc each.  All you are doing now is showing you are lying scum.

Yesterday you edited the official announcement made by FortuneJack in December thinking nobody would notice the change, then tried to make it seem like someone else made a typo in February.  You got caught.

If it was a mistake, you would of fixed it sooner.  You posted it in December and promoted the hell out of it.  It was sent to tons of bitcoin news sites in Feb.   It's quoted in the OP of this thread, which was started over a month ago!  People have been complaining about it since April 1.  

You want us tobelieve you didn't notice it till yesterday?  bullshit.

You can't really declare the contest 'void' just because small number of views, since you haven't bother to set any limits for places other than 1-3.

Anyhow, glad to see you agreed to pay that 3 BTC split prize, hopefully that would settle the issue.

Promotion was counted void, we did not announce winners and all of the contestants accumulated less views then expected, that is why we payed out 0.03 BTC for the trouble.

As noted above, we will pay out 3 BTC split prize to all of the contestants, we have proved that it was a technical mistake, besides that, all of the contestants acknowledged the fact that in case Promotion ended successfully and winners were announced, 4-10, 11-30 places would receive a split prize of 3 BTC not 3 BTC 'each'.
We have provided the proof that contestants were aware of this, check the post above. There can be no discussion about paying 3 BTC each contestant just for one 'typo' mistake, anyone with healthy mindset will understand this.

You don't have to be scammed to make a scam accusation. If you do agree it is 3 BTC split, then why pay up only 0.03 to each contestant? The 3 BTC split is still more than 10 times your paid price. Also, it was your fault for making the mistake, as you said in your post. People here aren't stupid. Pay up the advertised prizes, or the neg will probably stay. Also, the contest lasted for at least 2 months. Surely you would have realized in that time?

Exactly.  Your marketing department, your fault.

Press release was written by Bitcoin PR Buzz based on the rules we sent them and they replied to the accusation that they made a mistake. No one could expect Fortunejack getting scam accusation and negative trust for one typo mistake. We are 100% sure that all of the contestants were aware of the fact that 3 BTC would be in split prizes, but accusation author TwitchySeal.

Here's the comment written by one of the contestants in this thread: poplolnman


The post published on December 9th, on February 3rd, and edit of May 17th means that Press release was simply copy pasted into the forum inattentively as no changes were made to the text, and the fact that Bitcoin PR Buzz admires the ownership of the article, clears the charges partially against us. 

Our Marketing department was inattentive while copy pasting the text into the forum and did not properly proofread (word by word) the article written by Bitcoin PR Buzz, this is a fact.



Otherwise, why would be pay out 4-10 3 BTC each, and 11 - 30 places 3 BTC each as well? Could we not be more creative and differentiate 26 places?

As an example, attaching a screenshot from our Poker Tournament Interface, where you can see similar chart to ours (video contests'), for Prize fund distribution, where the amount of 303.6 mBTC is split between 10 - 12 places.



Even though the contest was counted void, as a good gesture to calm things down and remove negative trusts from the profile, we will still pay out 3 BTC split into 11 places. The accusation is totally not gambling oriented, is raised by an 'angry' community member who has never even been enrolled in the contest, has no foolproof argument to validate the reference, and must not be attached to the Fortunejack profile

Timeline:

December 9th:

FJ Creates Thread:

" FortuneJack Launches YouTube Video Contest - earn up to 10 BTC "

OP Includes:




Cliffnots:

Dec - Started contest
Jan -Advertise as most generous contest of all time.
April - Contest Ends, tell everyone the lose but get .030 bc of generosity only. 
May - Edit rules post made in Dec.  Invite COO of BitcoinPRBuzz to tell everyone it was her fault for changing the rules  that we posted in Feb. 

Johanna, what is your relationship to Fortune Jack and why are you trying to cover up for them.

My next post will prove that you are not being honest about the Press Release on Feb 3rd. 

Please tell us the truth, including what Fortune Jack just told you to tell us.

i never negotiate anything with fortunejack about video contest prize hmmmm they just keep telling me my submission are not qualified , not negotiating.
i remember correctly my video here was have over 300 views and still receive dishonor prize of 0.03 very dissapointing statement fj. please tell the truth.

I can't comment on the casino activities mentioned here (you shouldn't really trust any casino, especially an online one) and I'm not sure about the 3rd party sites but the original /video guidelines on fortunejack.com seems to state it would be split up and there would be minimum views required.

EDIT: There does still seem to be a discrepency on how many views were actually received, and it was a tricky/misleading advertisement for the competition, but based on the "Important" section of the contest, I wouldn't have entered it because it leaves too much room for the contest creator to deem views as fake and eliminate contestants on their own doubts of view authenticity.

Google Cache:

Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz

I can see how this is so confusing. Oh wait, no I can't. It clearly states 3BTC each. I guess the only thing left to do is admit you didn't mean to put the 'each' then as a show of good faith pay out 3BTC to everyone who participated.

Sound good?

Something smells fishy here. Are you just taking Fortune Jacks word that they told you to write something different on your site?

What about this one?

http://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/


Are you Tako?

I would like to officially apologize on behalf of Bitcoin PR Buzz
for the error in the press release titled ”Win up to 10 Free BTC
in FortuneJack’s YouTube Video Contest" that we published on
February 3, 2016. We made a serious factual error in the original text
stating that FortuneJack would award entrants with 3 BTC ‘each’.

We have changed the original post to the correct sentence
"Entrants placing from 4th to 30th will receive a total of 3 BTC".
Bitcoin PR Buzz takes full responsibility for the error and we would like
to apologize to everyone that may feel deceived as a result
of our mistake.

Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz

You are operating a Bitcoin Casino, two terms often used interchangeably, where your only viable model can consist of trust/confidence by your clients. While this may not be indicative of your casino operations, this does seem very much like a bait and switch scenario - regardless of the YouTube view count you had users showing very good faith by expending time, resources, and even money to fulfill your request with the best of intentions.  What they got was nothing more than an insult, you inflated your prize pool to bait people into driving traffic to your site, and you can't even dig into your pockets to properly deliver.  No one is holding you to the top prizes, but the .3 uniform payout is nothing more than a slap in the face.  You picked to go into the casino business, we've seen the "superuser" scandals at UltimateBet last decade and multi-accounts/collusion is always a concern. Furthermore, you chose a highly speculative currency that your users will have little recourse if they wake up one day and they have vanished from your site.  Then you go ahead with this "promotion" only to under-deliver and instead dole out a nice slap in the face to all those who took the time to help you promote _YOUR_ casino.  I am not one of those people, but I see the writing on the wall, and I won't be visiting your site, that's for sure.  Sorry to all those who put in ample time on this endeavor.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

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No, you didn't negotiate. 

You decided not to pay any of the prizes because they didn't follow a rule that didn't exist. 

You gave each participant lest than $15 worth of bitcoin in a contest you promoted as "one of the most generous competitions ever seen in the world of bitcoin"

Players started complaining on April 1.

Here are some examples of the posts you ignored, all directly from your thread:



No response to these posts, you didn't post in the thread for over a week actually. Then you started responding only to completely unrelated posts like this one: (MonsterV is sig campaign member obviously)

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If you would of responded the first time, I wouldn't of had to keep asking.  Duh.

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LoL. (literally, lol)  Another blatant lie.

I've never had any site in my signature ever.  Anyone who knows anything about me will know what a ridiculous accusation that is. 

They will also know that you are a liar.

This is not a true story! provide a source of Press Release where you read that next 27 places get 3 BTC each. Otherwise, your argument will be void.




You raised an issue writing about this, so you made a point.



We negotiated with all contestants that minimum views accumulated was not enough to qualify for the prize fund, and none of them raised negative trust, simply recording a video and posting it nowhere will not bring you 4 BTC for the 4th place, and 0.11 BTC for the rest), we distributed the prize fund as we counted right, and negotiated with contestants. The largest amount of views video accumulated was 300 views and was payed 0.2 BTC for it, while we were expecting at least 3000+ views, rest of the contestants were payed 0.03 BTC who accumulated 100 or less views. T&C also stated that rules could be changed and players could be eliminated during the contest. The fact that some of the contestants were unsatisfied with the contest outcome, does not deserve negative trust for FJ Profile. And all of them understand this, but you. We may discuss this on the thread, or could create another thread for discussion, but raising a negative trust reference by a usual spammer who never uploaded any videos for the contest, is a bit gross



Tha fact that you doubt it, means absolutely nothing, and won't bring us negative trust.



You repeated the same posts over and over again, we counted it as scam, that is exactly why we deleted it. We've got a self moderated thread, rules were already posted above for why we delete posts.

Our negative relationship started with you demanding to be payed for signature campaign posts, when you were not even enrolled in it. After attaching our signature to your profile and posting on the forum, you demanded to be payed overrunning the usual procedure every community member has to pass. Since then, you spam and scam the thread.


You have not uploaded any videos for the contest, why are you raising a negative trust issue while rest of the contestants do not?

Directly from your press release:


Nobody is making an issue about this.


Yeah, we read the rules.  Nobody qualified for the top three prizes.  I don't think you technically owe anyone the top 3 prizes.That's not an excuse to get out of paying the spots that had no minimum view requirement.  There's no need to continue pointing out that nobody met the requirements for the top 3 prizes.    

You have refused to clarify the rules of your poker room for over 3 months now.  

How can you be preventing fraud if you never defined it in the first place!



I can easily prove you are lying about this.

Here are two examples of the posts you deleted from your thread.  
I have plenty more if you like.





Hope this post helped you understand the answer to this question.

Have you reserved the right to extend the deadline in contest Terms and Conditions? If not, that's not very fair to those who submitted within the initial deadline, as they were at risk of being out-competed.
It's not really an issue as there were less entries than paid places and no one met requirements for 1-3 place, but still not very clean practice.


I think you're missing the core point here. There were no minimum views requirements for places 4-30. And according to your own prize schedule, they each should've received 3BTC each. So on what grounds have you denied those payments?



Even if 3 BTC each was a mistake and you meant 3 BTC to be divided, you should have apologised for making a mistake and pay participants accordingly.

Based on the table, each should receive at least:

4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each

That's a very minimum. Since (assumed) mistake in prize schedule was on your part, you still can't expect everyone to be 100% happy about that.

That's just my opinion.

I've quickly glanced through the posts defending fJ  seems to also be FJ signature campaigns. What is mentioned does seem scammy. offering a prize than revealing no winner is in fact cheating. There should be no excuses to not pay the full price amount.

Andreas is the support's name and he is clueless about poker. he told me once via live chat.
but, it seems he is the only one in charge.. jeez

 

You seem to be implying most of the users had illegitamite views, which seems pretty absurd considering most of them barely had any.

I don't recall the exact view counts, but none of the videos came close to the required views for top few spots.  ( I believe most had under 50 views ) 

Right now there are 15 videos on the FortuneJack Youtube Page, most of them 5+ months old.  The three most popular have 430, 275 and 200 views.  The rest have between 20 and 80.

You told your users back in december that you thought the videos already submitted were "creative and well made"

You were hoping for a competition on who could advertise your site for you to the most people.

If you would of had a "who can advertise my site the best" contest, you'd be right.

Instead, you had a "who can make the best video" contest with only the top few prizes reserved for those that get thousands of views.  The people who are good at advertising were probably too busy getting paid to advertise to enter a "video contest"

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You offer online poker but refuse to explain what is and is not allowed.  I assure you, your honest players are being cheated every day - and it's your fault.

You should be putting just as much effort into making sure the players are cheating you in your own casino as you are making sure they aren't cheating other players in your poker room.

Most likely you have nobody on your staff with experience in online poker.  You can't just push a button and let it go like other casino games.

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I think this bonus, much like your last, is very misleading.

According to your terms, no play is counted towards playthrough of the bonus untill the player has lost their entire initial deposit.  This makes your promotion a 130% lossback, not an instant deposit bonus.

A player could deposit 777mbtc, receive your 1000 mbtc bonus, and wager hundreds of bitcoin before ever losing their initial 777 mbtc. 

After all that, they will be surprised to learn none of the wager went to clearing any of their bonus at all.

Greetings dear users,

Considering the lively interest that our recent video contest has caused among players, our company finds it essential to once again get back to all the terms of said contest by going into depth to ensure players that no scheming or manipulation was involved from FJ.
    
No information was withheld from the public and our casino has been open about the whole deal from the beginning. The fact that the results of our communication with certain players caused negative feedback is another matter.

In regards to the accusations of FortuneJack preventing certain members from discussing the contest we would like to inform you that the only user who's posts were removed from multiple topics is known to have a history of spamming important threads with aggressive accusations thus preventing other players from discussing important issues and simply enjoying themselves in our friendly community.     
    
Please note that from the available 10 participants only one has managed to qualify by satisfying all the requirements and was rewarded accordingly. Said participant has received prize of appreciation by becoming Jack's Favorite.
   
Despite the fact that only one player has met the criteria stated in the terms of agreement of the video contest, our company decided to thank other legit participants for their effort with modest encouraging rewards. This was executed outside of the terms of video contest solely by company's initiative.
     
Prior to the contest all the participants have been WARNED to avoid using fake views and other illegitimate ways of achieving the goal of competition. As stated in the rules the casino withholds the right to disqualify any video suspected in illegitimate actions. Due to known cases of views being illegitimately obtained and other inappropriate behavior from certain participants - producers of respective content have been disqualified as per rules and regulations of the Video Contest.       
   
All the video content that has been disqualified was removed from FJ's official YouTube channel and other sources, is no longer to be considered the property of FJ and doesn't violate any rules of paid online advertising.
   
We hope that this will help members of our community to understand the situation better and prevent from the negative outbursts and false accusations. 
   
BTW, FJ offers New long awaited feature - Instant deposit bonuses.

• A “welcome” bonus up to 1 BTC is now available to all players on their first minimum 0.777 deposit. Fortunejack credits the bonus to the player’s bonus balance.
• Players are also entitled to a 100% welcome bonus up to 0.5 BTC on their first deposit. A minimum 0.001 BTC is required for this bonus. Fortunejack awards the welcome bonus to the bonus amount balance.
• Players can also receive a monthly 100% deposit bonus up to 1 BTC with their first deposit.

Regards,
FortuneJack Team

I know there are something fishy about the contest so I'm decide to not got with the contest
I can say that they are very unprofessional gambling site I've ever met

I did already posted all the Proofs in their thread 0n 02 April 2016, But didnt get any response from there site.

It will be a real shame if this is not sorted out.
FJ has the best casino interface i have seen, simple clear and easy layout.

The only and simple way to solve this problem are pay the amount which pawel7777 mentioned.

fj must realized current -4 negative reputation in their account will affected to the casino.

pay them and case closed because fj has a good intention . but if they refused / ignored i think they deserve more negative numbers?

I quoted exactly what you said.  It wasn't that.


No, the contest terms were clear enough to conclude that FortuneJack did not honor them, this is the the main issue.

Those who did enter the contest should not suffer because others did not.



I agree, and Fortune Jack had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing.  They chose not to.

I don't enjoy making these threads, I do it because I don't think anyone else will if I don't.  Players were asking FJ whats up with the contest on April 2.  They kept asking.  Almost a week before making this thread, I told them if they didn't respond I would be making issue more public.  If they had explained specifically why each video not getting a prize didn't qualify (and it made sense) and paid those that did .3 BTC I would never have created thread.

FFS I didn't say FJ definitely didn't scam people, I said it's not quite the scam in a classic meaning. Which is not.

The main issue here is that contest had no clear terms and conditions and it didn't get as much interest as FJ expected, comparing this to signature campaign is bit missed.

But if you're desperate to do it, it would be more like sig campaign refusing payment due to low quality posts and participant felt scammed because there wasn't a clear definition of what 'constructive post' is. Guess what, this happens all the time.

To dumb it down, in terms of FJ's contest, it's a question whether (with lack of T&Cs) every entry should be classed as qualifying, or whether you accept FJ to reject entries due to low quality (based on their own judgement).

To put this to extreme, if I submitted video featuring my dick and me drunk-shouting "F**k FJ" should I feel entitled to being rewarded, just because there are less entries than paid places? Would you support my claim, or would you give FJ a right to reject my entry?

Point is, it's not always a black/white situation.


To summarise, in my opinion, lack of clear rules should be judged more (but not entirely) in favour of participants. FJ should apologise and look to settle the matter by paying out at least according to the table, so:

4-10: 3 btc total: ~0.43 each
11-30: 3 btc total: 0.15 each

But you should give FJ right to reject very low-quality vids (if there are such at all).

Hopefully that would settle it.


ps. All my knowledge of the matter comes from first post of this thread, which I assume is accurate. I haven't seen any of the vids, and I don't even visit FJ anymore as it's blocked in UK.

ps2. the second accusation didn't get any traction, so not commenting on it.

Good point.  

Lets say a site decided to end their sig campaign and not pay anyone for the final month.

Could we call them scammers even though the Sig campaign was closed?  I think most would.

Not with pawels logic:

Would the site benefit by keeping funds for themselves that the members were entitled to?  Yes obviously.  

But not with Pawels logic:

With pawels logic, they would be not be guilty of stealing money and since they were no longer actively using the signatures, they wouldn't be guilty of stealing time and work.

Would participating in a signature campaign for an unethically run business be ethical (Like FJ or Betcoin.ag?)  

with that logic if you dont get your pay from sign campaing you will not say sign campaigner is scamer right?

Which is exactly what? Google it again and look a bit below a quick dumb-down "definition", can you see something like this:




So where's the gain?


Is this supposed to be a question? Try harder.

The second part involves them allowing honest players to be cheated by dishonest players in their poker room.

I guess this is true.  They advertised the contest with huge prizes for months, extended the deadline by another month and then paid out only tiny prizes.  But no, they aren't advertising for the contest which is now over any more.

There are many was to define "scam" and I agree FJs actions do not satisfy all of them.  They did directly benefit from this contest though.  They put out an official looking press release which was picked up by many affiliate sites and blogs giving them the appearance of a site which should be trusted to.  Then there's also the 10 videos which FJ jack now exclusively owns.  Some of the contestants even paid to have their video hosted on other sites to get more views.  All of this directly benefits FJ.

They owe the contestants the prizes they promised.  Period.  Whether or not they are actively using submitted videos is irrelevant.

Even if they meant to say 3 BTC divided, that would of been .3 BTC to each.  They still only paid out 10% of that (.03 BTC)! 

Their argument is basically, "we didn't have to pay out anyone anything if we didn't want to, be happy we gave .03 to some of them"

Yes it is actually a scam in the only real meaning to the word.


Don't know where you are getting your English lessons from?
lol!

I hope more problems like this don't arise from FJ.

Nope. Scam accusation relates to video contest, not primary FJ activities (casino). You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik.

It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that. They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids).

What I think happened here, is FJ fucked up on starting a contest without proper, clear T&C (which is way too common in BTC gambling world). I'm pretty sure they made a mistake and meant 3 BTC to be divided not 3 BTC each. But then, instead of simply saying 'sorry, we made a mistake' they went ahead with weird excuses making it worse.

I have contact support but I still not received any replied yet , ( especially from tako )
I have checked my fortune jack account, still nothing !


If you have contacted the winner, please send Us the PROOF

Jesus,,, do you think I am a small child that can be fool ??

i can confirm that i am participant of fj youtube contest and have received prize 0.03 bitcoin , thankyou for this fj.
but i disappointed on fj email replies say that None of the participants matched the requirements  for the video and participant would recieve well-deserved reward?, can't see the rules like this before. all i can see are 4th-10th would receive 3btc in split prize.
also they said "It was mentioned that the video must be voiced in English" the thing that make some videos claimed as not qualifed. can anyone refer me to the rules that mentioning "video must be voiced in English"

0.03 well-deserved prize for a months work? very appreciated it fj for contest with 27btc prize promised.

Is this the email you are referring to?



This email only explains why you were unable to award the 1st 2nd or 3rd prize. 

However, there is clearly no minimum number of views required for 4th-30th place.

There is also no mention that 4th - 30th place prizes would not be given unless 3 players were able to satisfy the requirements for 1st - 3rd place.  This is what you said:

Uhh, it's been 34 days since I first asked you to clarify your stance on multi accounting and allowing instant cashouts.   The only response was 27 days ago when you told me I've gotten is when you told me:

I can only imagine if these players were cheating you out of your money, rather than other players, you would consider the issue more urgent.  As a result, the only victims will be the players who are not taking advantage of the lack of security.

Dear User,

All participants were contacted individually via email and informed about contest results. About your poker issue we are still working on it with our partners. Please be patient. We will definitely get back to you as we NEVER leave our customers without attention.

Regards

FortuneJack Team.

Did you inform the users individually why they were disqualified?  

Why did you ignore all the users who were asking for information on the contest over the past 13 days?

How do you explain these comments, if not a single entry met the required criteria?



Why have you not responded to my poker related question?  I first asked on March 10th, a week later you told me:
Today is April 13th, and you are deleting the questions from your thread which are still unanswered.

Dear User,

In spite of the fact that none of the videos met the required criteria, but we rewarded our participants anyway. Video # 1 was rewarded with Jack's Favorite prize and other participants also got small rewards. If you have any further questions we are ready to discuss them by email [email protected].

Thank you

Regards

FortuneJack Team.

Dear User,

All 10 participants have got emails and prizes from FortuneJack team. Please check the email you have registered with at fortunejack.com . If you have any questions contact us at [email protected]

Thank you

Regards

FortuneJack Team

I can't say for sure how many entries there were, but agree with the rest of your post.  For the record, I did not enter this contest and have not spent much time on the site at all.  I just began following the thread about two months ago when they launched poker and figured if I didn't speak up this would probably be buried.

They also confirmed in their YouTube contest thread that they were receiving quality entries, although it's very possible they were just saying that at the time I suppose:




FJ is online now, just got a few of these in my inbox:

Service discussion(self-explainable I hope) is a good place to post , I believe. Can't say I know of any reasons this is connected to the forum directly, to post in meta

I agree that giving the sig campaign members a hard time as a whole won't accomplish anything.

However, with both Betcoin.ag and FortuneJack, their signature campaigns are the only reason they are able to to maintain the appearance as if everything is great.

It's a whole lot easier to ignore the 1 or 2 guys asking "hey, where's our money" when you have 8 or 9 people posting simple questions followed up with compliments.  

Then there are the campaign members who are so eager to please in hopes of a "treat" they will lie or try to bully any who criticize their site.  

I suppose I'm getting off topic as this thread is about specific issues with Fortune Jack.

Mitchell, do you think it would be appropriate to make thread in Meta about the way FJ and Betcoin.ag are (imo) abusing signature campaigns?   Or reputation?  Or scam accusation?  I dont know.

That's very kind.Anyhow let's wait for the owner to reply here.I remember one of the guys around tried really hard for that youtube contest ,he was paying people to share the video on social networks.Never knew he ended up with 0.03.


Look,who's back   They don't have any spots open since months now .The participants definitely won't leave or stop advertising the campaign.The youtube contestants deserve to get paid though.

A post in FJ sig campaign thread should be enough, let the participants figure out if they want to advertise a scam(although I don't think any would leave)

No, harassing signature campaign participants won't solve anything. I've seen it happen with the DiceBitco.in scam and it only causes people to be angry and annoyed at both sides.

You could send them a friendly message telling them about this scam accusations, but I won't stand for harassment.

Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ?

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

yeah .... I just asked the support and they said that Fortune Jack already rewarded all contestant

Based on https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb6_CXwPwD5UgYC6p25dTcjEnJ3uw7l2p there are 11 videos
1 was being made by fortune jack , so there only 10 contestant that submitted the video
That was included my video as well !

They said that they will contact the winner by email but I NEVER RECEIVED ANY SINGLE EMAIL YET FROM FORTUNE JACK

Fortune Jack is professional site, but with this incident , it made FJ become unprofessional site !
Prove me wrong please !

Video contest was one of the reason why I played there.I am sure they are a bit shady in way they operate.

5/19 Update:

FortuneJack says they will be splitting up 3 BTC among each of the video contest contestants.

The rules posted in December offered "a total of 3 BTC each.", but I think everyone is satisfied as they obviously screwed up the rules and are at least now paying out 10 times more than what was originally sent.  

That being said, as of right now they haven't apologized or even admitted to any wrong doing.  They basically ignored the issue hoping it would go away.  When they realized it wasn't going away, they tried to cover it up with more lies.  Only after being caught lying again, did they decide to pay...

Cliffs:

April 12th - I started this thread.  FJ responded twice claiming they owed nothing and the contestants should be grateful FJ was generous enough to send them .03 BTC since they didn't have to.
They ignored the whole thing for the next month.

May 13th - They made post implying that users were disqualified for fraudulent views on their videos.  (This was bullshit - majority of videos had under 100 views, the most was around 300)

May 17th - They made a post with mostly irrelevant info and a couple lies.
Lie #1-
May 17 - Brand new account claiming to be COO of Bitcoin PR Buzz makes a post claiming the "3 btc each" Press Release made in Feb was her fault because she changed it after they sent it to her.
I posted proof that just before she made this post, FortuneJack edited their own post from December, which said the same exact thing this person claimed was her mistake in Feb.
Requests to confirm she worked for a seperate company and what her relationship to FJ was have all been ignored.

May 18th - FJ claims it was Bitcoin PR Buzz' fault that the rules were posted wrong from the FJ account in December.
Pokerplayers should check out their lol evidence screenshot of tournament lobby payouts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14885728



Oh and this is unrelated but they think it's fine to advertise 4% rake and take 5%  (This is actually a big deal for a serious poker player)


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Fortune Jacks has maintained a reputation by appearing to be available on this forum to answer any questions and defend themselves against any accusations the way an honest business would.

In reality, they are using Bitcointalk to maintain a good reputation while consistently behaving scummy.

When a player comes to their thread with an issue , they are often bullied into silence by other users who are clearly being motivated to protect FJs reputation at all cost.  If that doesn't work, FJ simply deletes the post and the thread continues to be flooded with praise from signature campaign members working on meeting their monthly quota.

I will be bringing more attention to these practices in another post (FJ is not the only site abusing bitcointalk) as I see it as a much bigger problem than the two separate issues below.

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ISSUE #1 - The Youtube Video Contest

From December - April, FJ ran a contest with over 100 BTC in prizes to the winners who would be announced on April 1. This contest was heavily advertised. April first came and went, no winners were announced, it seems they ended up awarding a total of 0.28 BTC to the 8 entries and refuse to respond to any questions.

The rules for the contest:

Note: Only the top 3 prizes have a minimum # of views required.  Also, they ended up extending the deadline to April 1.

The prizes:


One could interpret the prize chart as 4-10 receiving 3 BTC or 4-10 sharing 3BTC however FJ clarifies that 4-10 would receive 3 BTC each.


On April 1st, no winners were announced.  Nothing was announced.  Someone who entered the contest shared the email the received:

I believe the reward was the same for all entries, 0.03BTC.

Since April 1st, several users have requested FJ explain what happened, they have ignored all of it, responding only posts like this one: [LINK]

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ISSUE #2 - Poker at Fortune Jack


FortuneJack opened a poker room a couple months ago, which is what caught my attention.

They run micro stakes and freeroll tournaments mostly.

They also do not manually approve withdraws or enforce any traditional rules to prevent players from multi-accounting.  They have created a situation where a player can easily play the same tournament from many accounts, and instantly withdraw any funds should they win.

On March 9th I first asked them if they intended to take any steps to prevent honest players from being cheated.  In case they weren't, I suggested they simply inform all the players that they were not preventing players from using multiple accounts.  By not saying anything, they were making any honest player a victim.

FJ responded to a few other posts, but not mine, so I asked again on March 10th. [LINK] After being ignored for a week I asked again [LINK] This time I got a reply:


Since this response, nearly a month ago, they have failed to respond and begun to simply delete posts questioning them.  In the same period, however, they have renewed their signature campaign and responded to thank anyone who paid them a compliment.