Topic: Food prices in Germany - Tell me what you want to know (Read 1003 times)

apart from cooking items increase prices - there is energy crisis going on
What is happening to the world is undescribable

I see how the price of basic necessities has increased in almost all countries, not only cooking oil but all basic necessities have skyrocketed and are even hard to find on the market. Coupled with news from companies or groups hoarding these basic needs and starting to smell in the media, this behavior is really very painful for us to hear. Markets always tend to be controlled by certain parties, policies as regulations are unable to stop bad people from committing these crimes.

The fact is that all these needs are not experiencing scarcity, but because certain parties are playing to make profits in times of recession or disaster. The case you mentioned has the potential to occur as we experienced, the high price of cooking oil due to scarcity and there is a possibility that it was deliberately made to seek profits for those whose access is closer to regulations.

This applies exactly for russia too, since it is not made up of states that can set their own rules. Also the country is just massive so this would also stop people from moving around. If you look however on countries in Europe, you have many people that would work 30 mins away in a different country, so it was basically impossible to have people locked in in just one country to stop covid. Russia has systematic issues, that are based on corruption and low levels of education. The problem is that there is no need for a change, since they can keep up their low living standards with the sale of oil and other natural resources. Other countries need to adapt fast, because they dont have these resources, but russia has simply no need to adapt.

Australia is a large island or even a continent.  Governing such a country is quite simple.  

This is a former natural prison for English convicts.  For example, during the Covid-19 pandemic, the Australian authorities imposed a ban on entering and leaving Australia.  Thus, they successfully stabilized the situation with the spread of the virus.  

The worst thing is not the low standard of living, but the willingness of the citizens of countries to come to terms with it.  If people are ready to give up a normal standard of living for the sake of some speculative concepts (for example, imperial greatness), then this means that a catastrophe has occurred in the country!

That is why the citizens of Germany and Europe, in my opinion, should never put up with the deteriorating standard of living.  We must believe that everything will be fine and the situation will improve soon.

How those experts explain Canada not having such issues, and is among the most developed countries in the world despite a harsh climate, huge territory etc? The same can be asked about Australia as well. So yeah, if you ask me that's just an excuse and nothing else.


Well they were manipulated in the past as well (as did many others) but I guess they learned their lessons. Something that people in Russia unfortunately failed to do.

Some experts attribute the low standard of living in Russia to its vast territory. 

Such a huge territory with a very harsh climate is very difficult to manage.  To resolve all issues of logistics and energy supply, a strong centralized authority is needed. 

However, such power very quickly degenerates into autocracy and tyranny.  China has similar problems.  China is not a very large country in terms of its territory, but a very large and difficult country to manage in terms of the number of inhabitants.

In totalitarian countries, the standard of living is always lower than in democratic countries.  In this sense, Germany is in a very advantageous position.  The territory of Germany is large in area, but small enough to successfully solve all logistical issues.  German citizens are disciplined, intelligent and educated people.

In addition, the inhabitants of Germany are vaccinated against the ideas of fascism.

Bananas were on sale at Lidl last week for €1.19/kg, they typically go for €1.49/kg, while chicken fillet is also around 9 to 10 euros per kilogram. I remember buying it for €6-7/kg a year ago. As the previous poster also mentioned, inflation numbers are highly inaccurate; some prices are even double what they were. Unfortunately, prices are unlikely to even decrease in the future.

Germany is indeed quite a popular immigration destination. As much as immigration might be a solution, I'd hate to do it. The issue with countries like those you've mentioned is that wages are low even for qualified people, and those entering the job market now, after finishing universities and degrees, are unlikely to get a job that will pay accordingly.

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Other countries affected by the war between Russia and Ukraine were Germany and the Netherlands,
in the netherlands too
two-thirds of the cooking oil in the Netherlands comes from Ukraine and Russia.
So it's not surprising that their country was also affected, maybe the Netherlands and Germany had to look for oil supplies from other countries.
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I beg to differ a bit it's not really entirety about the Russian and Ukrainian war because this war has been on for long if you DYOR you will see that sometime between August and September the subsidy discount that was  put for fuel was removed and an additional 9euros ticketing was added to transportation and when this happens it will invariably affect the price of food stuff... Also in Europe Germany is the 2nd largest exporter of agricultural products with about 70 billion USD coming behind only Netherlands with about 78 billion USD so internally they could mitigate food challenges thus it can only be traced to the fuel fee and additional ticket price. Thanks

Economic experts are bunch of dickheads who sit in a warm place and never experience the harshness of the economic crisis. They show up with a calm face and talk how severe it will be for everyone. If you are an expert, then work on fixing of the problem instead of just throwing bunch of negative statements with a calm and satisfied face.

This situation is everywhere and there is no country where we do not see inflation. In some countries, it is more while in others it is less. The prices of commodities have increased a lot as compared to previous years and economic experts are saying that this is just the beginning. The situation may go severely bad in 2023 and beyond.

Every person is finding it difficult to meet his /her daily needs. People's wages are not increased as compared to the prices of food and other necessary items.

It is much colder in Russia than in the rest of Europe, where temperatures range between 0-10 degrees Celsius in Ukraine, and between 10-20 degrees Celsius in the rest of Europe. Temperatures are more like spring than winter, which is just a continuation of above-average warm winters.

On the other hand, the US and Japan are exposed to heavy snow and cold, and the question is whether these cold fronts will reach Europe.

That's probably why the whole EU comes here to work A lot of people from Hungary, Romania, Italy, Czech, Spain, Albania and other countries come here to work.

What's the price of 1kg banana in Canada? 1kg Chicken Breast? Can you share some prices in Canadian dollar please?
Here in Germany, 1kg banana costs 1.09 Euro, 1kg Chicken - 10 Euro. There are 2x more prices on these products too but to be honest, unless you are addicted to bio products, you can't find a big difference between the quality and taste

Speaking of food price increases, everyone is impacted around the world, including high standards of living and higher levels of poverty. As a result of these factors, as well as rising crime rates, people will resort to illegal means to feed their families. Cooking oil scarcity is a serious issue that I have not actually experienced before. However, not only Germany was impacted but also the UK, Indonesia, the Netherlands, and many other nations, most notably sunflower oil. and this was a result of the war between Ukraine and Russia and prices are still going high every day.

That is the same in Subcontinent and in South Asian countries.
In Fact this is the same everywhere. I was listening in new when Argentina won the world cup the journalist said - people are so upset because of inflation but for a fews they will be very happy and celebrating despite of the face they have so much troubles going on.

We have the same issue here in Canada. You can say that compared to 2019 prices your grocery bill has doubled. Or very close. Those inflation numbers aren’t accurate because it works like this.

Say for example

Break went up 10%
Coffee went down 10%

According to that calculation it would mean inflation is 0%. And there are some items that haven’t changed in price like Bananas and that is also keeping inflation figures down. But in reality you are paying double for your food these days.

I have no clue about Germany's food prices, but I'd like to leave my two cents. Judging by the photos, at least the first couple ones look like they are from Lidl, am I right? If you compare your Lidl prices with Greece's for similar items, you'll notice tremendous differences, with Germany being cheaper. On top of that, if you're comparing the average salaries between the two countries, it's absolutely unacceptable for Greece to have such outrageous prices for everyday goods. I don't know what policies Germany might have taken to tackle the inflation, but nothing effective has been done here so far. They're now preparing to issue a food "coupon" in the form of a prepaid card, which is a complete joke.

Right now I'm not in Germany but took this photo some days ago.


What's happening in Russia? Do they say that Germany is in a huge trouble? Or that Germans are freezing? Or that Germans aren't able to buy a fuel? Or do they say that there are blackouts in Germany?

Well, prices hugely depend on your state, contractor, etc. It's really complicated, I was paying 0.28 and now I'm paying 0.39.

The fact is that since childhood, they, and their parents and grandfathers (back in the USSR), were instilled, or rather, they were driven into the head with postulates, such as: "To live well and richly is bad", "you must live as the state says", " The state will decide everything for you, you just follow their orders." And over the decades of such reverse selection, they have created a unique society - where it is bad to strive for a good life. A good life is achievable only through corruption and corruption. It is not worth doing well and comfortably in your own country - it is more important not to let your neighbors do it in their countries. Believe me - "1984" dystopia by George Orwell, published in 1949, is a pale shadow of what is happening in Russia!

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Believe me - the mentality of the inhabitants of Russia, this will be a new chapter in psychiatry
If you didn’t watch anything except news from Russia for a couple of days, quit for 2-3 days, urgently requested a psychologist, vacation and powerful antidepressants .... And if you watch state (and there are no other media in Russia) propaganda channels / programs for a day ... You turn off the TV .. You sit on the sofa ... You will sit silently for a long time, and then you will say something like "what the hell did I just watch ?!" ))
You know, but 99% of the Russian legacy is now SURE that Russia is in Ukraine:
1. He is fighting not with Ukraine, but with NATO.
2. Ukrainians are their brothers, they love them
3. Ukrainians must be destroyed because they do not like Russians (and there is no contradiction with paragraph 2 here)
4. All Ukrainians are fascists, Bandera, and sold out to the USA
5. Russians actually protect Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine
6. Destroying the regions and cities with the largest concentration of Russian-speaking population, as well as ethnic Russian citizens of Ukraine (No dissonance here either)
7. But in fact, Russia is fighting so that NATO and the West do not force them all to become gays and lesbians or zoophiles!
8. Although... And against the bio-laboratories that the United States built in Ukraine, which grow fighting mosquitoes that will only bite the inhabitants of Russia (!!!!) so that they either become gay or cannot reproduce !!!

Did you laugh? Do you think I'm kidding?! NO ! This is the reality in which Russians live and enjoy it.



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for last couple years energy price sites viewed:
germany, hawaii and japan as the 3 highest electric prices per KWH

what was your actual electric KWH rating(cost) in germany last year and also now (to compare)

Most of us are experiencing the same thing and it's affecting everyone regardless of our financial and social status. I think people are now used to it since we all know that we have no choice but to grind just to survive. Relying on the government will only make us suffer more because, to be honest, they are even taking advantage of what is happening in our economy. We can't change the situation so we have just to deal with it. It's just so heartbreaking that our necessities are continuously striking so high so we're just spending most of our days trying to double our earnings just to afford them.

Impossible!
We were assured by the greatest specialist in geopolitics, economics, oil trading, life after death, and cosmic quantic dimensional inversions that the oil barrel will hit $300 and that all Europeans will be driving donkey carts cause we won't be affording gas.
And the most ironic part is that damn, I wish some would not afford them because traffic has become impossible around here, for the first time I actually had to wait in the queue at the first highway entrance and stand in line for 10 mins at the barrier cause the shopping mall was full and there was no parking space available. So, some should really switch to donkeys because this keeps getting worse and worse and during the Christmas madness the whole city will be one huge parking lot.


There are two other reasons
- oil price is crashing, WTI is down to $72 and Brent to $78
- the euro has recovered against the USD, so if oil was 94 euros a month ago, it's just 74 euros per barrel, -20%
And there is also less demand of course, the agricultural work is done, people are not traveling long distances anymore and just roaming around the cities so it was expected.

I will focus only on the EU, since this topic is actually about Germany, so I want to show that fuel prices are actually falling, and here is this graph showing fuel prices in Germany and France in the current year.


Source

In fact, looking at the statistics in the last three months, fuel prices are lower by almost 14% on average, and food prices have also started to fall slightly. Some will say that this is because consumption has decreased, and there is some truth in that, but that is certainly not the only reason.

For those who want to see the data, and not to guess that fuel is going up, at least as far as the EU is concerned -> https://www.fuel-prices.eu/

everywhere in the world - the petrol price has increased
the food and daily useful item prices are unaffordable now - the business are collapsing and there is so much noise from the people about the inflation and gov not being able to provide them basic necessity

Photo was taken some days ago but prices are still nearly the same. So, who was saying that Germans wouldn't be able to buy a fuel for cars?
P.S. Season - winter, Month - December.

Türkiye has no problem in finding resources. Their commercial relations with both Eastern and Western countries are very good. But the real problem is the prices. It's difficult to access everything while the purchasing power of the people decreases. There are goods in the market, but there is no money to buy that goods. Everyone is borrowing, the amount of credit is increasing day by day. The future is mortgaged to save the present.
That's why I said Germany's situation is good. People can still live humanely. Accessing basic consumer goods is not difficult. They will survive this winter by saving a little, but they won't face such a problem in the following years. Because they don't have structural problems like we do.

I am not a German (not living there either) but since I have close family members there and visiting them few times per year, I met my share of Germans and I have to say that they are mostly financially responsible and hardworking people. So when you are living in one of the most developed countries in the world, having a well paid job and tend to save the money (and Germans do like to save) when/if shit hits the fan you will adjust much easier than someone already barely surviving on his salary and without safety cushion.

But you are right about something though, people in countries like Russia are used to shitty standard of living and its beyond me how country with such natural resources can have lower standard of living than some of the poorest EU countries (for example Croatia where I am from), and people there being ok with it.

Bruh, nobody screams in agony here!
The only ones that claim destruction, death, recession, and that the whole country is doomed are the ones that never set foot in Germany in their lifetime. Just look at the profiles of those that scream the economy is dead, most of them are from Russia, Asia, and Africa, people in Europe are not hiding in their bunkers and are not preparing for an iceage.

Read the topic and see how everyone is surprised that the prices are nearly the same as in their countries while the wages are 10 times higher, that the stores are full, all those things are of no surprise to us, people that actually live in Europe. But brainwashed propaganda zealots are having heat attacks seeing how everything still works here.


So you're telling me that in the richest country in the world or whatever you called Russia, the average monthly pension will be not enough to buy one Milka Chocolate a day?
And you guys still consider yourself a global superpower and a model of how a country should work?

Germany could be seen one of the strongest economies of the world, but that doesn't mean that they have to be doing better than everyone else, or even do good. While everyone else doing worse, they are doing worse too but a bit better worse so to speak. Think about it this way, if USA has 10% inflation and Germany has 8% inflation that’s "better", but it's still bad for Germans. That’s the situation we have right now, but to be fair they are still doing amazingly.

The problem is they have been so awesome for decades that even slight bit of discomfort sounds like agony to them, while people who had worse inflation even on their best year, are facing something that is acceptable to them because they grew accustomed to it.

There is no guarantee that Turkey will be having enough gas for their own usage. There are two gas pipelines running from Russia (Blue Stream and Turkstream), and there is another pipeline from Azerbaijan. I am not sure, but there seems to be a gas pipeline from Iran as well. But the supplies does not cover the total demand, and therefore apart from the pipeline gas, Turkey usually imports LNG as well. Total consumption is around 60 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year, and around 40% of that is made up of LNG (mostly from the US).

The prices didn't seem high to me at all. Germany's inflation is very limited. Despite this, Germans move to Türkiye to spend the winter season. Because this is much cheaper than them. Those who earn Euros because of the exchange rate can live very comfortably here. Whoever earns Turkish lira is crushed by the highest inflation in the world. If this is the rise of gas prices in Germany, you don't need to complain. You're already using everything so cheap.

This is not happening only in Germany but also other countries of the world. Things are getting bad everyday and the government will not out heads together to settle this that had been hitting each and every countries. Food stuffs are getting hike everyday so we need to be prepared because this is not happening only in Germany but almost every part of the world. This will not stop soon so we just have to get something doing so that we will be able afford our daily need and bills.

This is not just limited to Germany but also all over the world as one major thing that affects the poor, basically in my country within my state precisely food has been one major problem affecting people around barely they feeds on three square meal a day, the poor can't afford to buy food stuff for feeding which basically includes; Rice, Beans, Onion, Red Meat, cooking Oil and many more, or even to eat at the restaurant you spend at least $1 to $5 to my local currency is very huge, which a dollar is about 1 equal to 867 NGN in Binance p2p currently, and our Government are not really helping matters rather than focusing on their political ambition spending money for their campaign giveaway cars to their supporters while the poor keeps dying.

In Russia, the living wage for a pensioner is more than 200 euros, and for an able-bodied person about 300 euros.
In Russia, food is cheaper, and it is very hard to live on this money.
How much do communal utilities for an apartment cost in Estonia?

I think it's not just talking about Germany or some other countries in Europe because of the inflation rate and the food crisis all over the world many countries are facing problems with food prices and the increasing the food price all over the world is clear these days, in many undeveloped countries they even have deeper and worst problems with food prices but even a county like Germany is not really far from this crisis and there you see how the prices are increasing because of this crisis in all over the world.

Everything is extremely simple - a link to the price list in the ordinary Estonian network of Maxim
https://www.maxima.ee/uploads/releases/pdf/Nr;43(25.10-31.10.2022)-9626.pdf

In doing so, we take into account:
- The MINIMUM salary is 654 euros per month, from January 1, 2023 it will increase by 11% and will be 725. Once again, this is the MINIMUM salary.
- The average gross salary in Estonia in December 2021 is €1,756 and net (after taxes) €1,392.45.
- As of 2022, the average state old-age pension in Estonia is 595 euros per month.
- From June 1, 2022, the living wage for a single person or the first family member is 200 euros per month.

And there is no oil, no gas, no "50% of the world's resources"

I workout and mainly I consume foods high in protein and low in carb/fat, to say shortly. This kind of food is mostly expensive compared to the what average person eats, so I wanna share with you what I bought for 19.32 Euro.

P.S. One high protein chocolate pudding is missing in the picture

Where did you get this idea from?
There is no country in Europe without VAT and there is no country in EU that do so, there is an EU directive that puts limits to both how low and how high this can go in order to harmonize taxes.
Germany has a standard 19% VAT and a 9% VAT for foodstuff.
Also, prices are not "divided" by VAT anywhere, it's value added tax, the name spells it for you.


Actually, the ones overreacting are the ones outside Germany and Europe who are already picturing Europeans freezing to death, starving with no food, with their economies crushing, and so on and on. In reality, one should watch live cams from the summer when the beaches were full, hotels, highways, cinemas, malls, pubs, and clubs were full, there are 100x times more Russians overreacting about this than Europeans.

Manufacturers are also human and greed always exists in us, can't blame them, benefits must always come first in business. If we were in their position, I believe we would do the same. Similar to oil, OPEC+ has also announced production cuts to keep oil prices high even though they are very rich countries compared to other countries. But it's a business opportunity they won't easily pass up.

In my country it is the opposite, wealthy families will use vegetable oil instead of lard because it is good for health. Lard is more difficult to store and most pork is considered a cheaper commodity than other foods.

If you live close to the Polish border you can get your gas from your neighbor. They have it much cheaper so it might be worth a trip. They have it for 1.4 EUR and the current average in Germany is 1.9 EUR.

The problem with gas is that the prices were growing fast even before the war and due to virus lockdowns in 2021 that lowered the demand the prices should've went down but they didn't.
The oil market is greatly manipulated. On one hand you have the Saudis that want to make the most money even if it means starving some countries and on the other the green lobby that wants the world to drive their expensive electric cars.

It’s going to be a big discussion with absolutely no end to a fairly good result, it's just a bit of a time required deal and when enough time passes we are going to see this problem solved too. The problem we have is not oil, it's not food, it's not anything else, it's not being ready for these type of things.

There is no a single country in the world that is self-sufficient in everything, and when something happens they are left with a chaos and a problem and they don't know what to do and do not have an alternative to put forth right away. This is why anytime any problem happens, we just need to wait for governments to fix it, that’s the only solution we have and we have nothing else we can do.

Electricity is starting from around 0.5+ Euro per kWh for new contracts, most people are sitting on their running contracts though, which has a price guarantee for 1 year or longer and is maybe half of that. But if price guarantee of your contract runs out, you will have to pay 0.5+ now, so double or more of what you paid before.

Gas is around 0.2+ Euro per kWh for new contracts, price guarantee for running contracts as well, where most people pay between 0.05-0.1 per kWh I guess. With the government lowering the VAT on gas, paying the gas bills for December for every household and introducing some cap on the price starting some time next year, the bills should double as well max. Around 50% of houses use gas for heating.


Always depends what is your standard; being forced to lower your standard doesn't sit well with anyone. If you used to have a car and now have to go by bike, you will feel bad. If you used to (or had to) go by foot and now have a bike, you will feel like a king. Both use the same means of transportation, but it's still not the same for both

I agree though that germans are spoiled.

The funny thing about Germany is that they are having one of the better inflation problems compared to other nations, there are nations with 50%+ inflation and they are not overreacting this much.

The reason for that is the fact that the nations with 50% inflation wasn't managed properly to begin with, they were having trouble even before any of this, whereas Germany was managed very well, it was a nation that lived like kings and everyone there lived happily. We weren't happy 10 years ago, we weren't happy 5 or 20 years ago neither, but they were at least happy and they lived good. Now that they are having just a bit of trouble, they think that it’s unliveable and they cannot buy food.

By calculation we can't even eat 3 meals a day with our minimum wage, and it’s funny Germans think they are getting poorer... 3 meals a day is too expensive in my nation, and I am not even talking about anything else, just 3 meals, imagine all the other things. So Germans are fine, they are just overreacting.

Everything is linked together with a few problems:
https://globalenergymonitor.org/projects/europe-gas-tracker/tracker-map/

The main problem is the capacity of some pipes, for example, the biggest obstacle is from Spain to France or Italy, in the past Spain which is a net importer had zero reasons to export or import gas from western Europe, now with its LNG capacity it can do so more than the pipes can take.
Also, the price fluctuates due to demand, it's not something extraordinary at all for a heat wave to hit one part of the continent and cold rainy weather on the other, so the prices will do the same, we had negative prices for a few hours in the Netherlands just like the US
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-25/west-texas-gas-prices-go-negative-for-first-time-in-2-years
There was just too much gas being pumped and no demand in other countries at all, themselves filling deposits at record levels, basically France has no storing capacity left at this point.


https://agsi.gie.eu

Every country has enough gas right now, the problem is the price as some have bought like mad while the price was 5 times this level and they are unwilling to spend it unless it goes a bit up, waiting for winter but at the same time having full deposits and not been able to buy and pump in cheaper gas.
That's what panic does, you end up with more expensive stuff than you actually needed at all.

Since I don't know how CNG distribution in the EU and I can't find anything about it, how is distribution done? Is everyone linked or are there 'blocks' of countries that gas does not pass through?

When you see multiple headlines like this:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/energy/europe-natural-gas-prices-plunge/index.html
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/25/energy-crisis-europes-gas-prices-fall-below-100-mwh-for-the-first-time-since-mid-june

It makes you wonder how bad the situation really is all over OR is it because some countries are separate and Germany has no gas in storage and empty tanks but they can't pull from the full ones in the Netherlands?

-Dave

I do remember that Greece used to be the largest producer of olive oil in the world (they got overtaken by another EU country fairly recently if I'm remembering that right).

Olive and rapeseed oil are the two main ones that get used in the UK imo. Rapeseed is grown quite a lot here too because its oil is quite useful - it's potentially legal to water down diesel with it in newer vehicles or run older vehicles directly off it. There's a chance it could've been cheaper too if we're going off last year's prices when I paid £1.54 for a litre.

Olive oil has a history of being used in oil lamps too in the UK. Rapeseed can serve similar functions to both sunflower oil and butter too (a lot of it gets used to make butter spreads).

I'll have to trust your stats as I'm without a PC for a few days and my phone will be awful at displaying those CSVs. I'm surprised the EU is doing similar tactics to the UK though to drive up prices....

Stores are also just an intermediary to bring products to consumers, once the manufacturer increases the price, the store must increase the price to make a profit.

In the EU region, Germany is perhaps the hardest hit country as it is largely dependent on Russian gas and now they only receive 6% of the gas supply after the Nord Stream pipeline was broken by crooks, they are having a headache to find an alternative gas source.

OP said he moved from Ireland to Germany which means OP is living in Germany so he can only update us on the situation in Germany.

But learning German itself is a pain in the ass

F**ck, that is cheap compared to what I pay where I live now. I should be learning German, Ja.

Yes, purchasing power is decreasing so overwhelmingly these days. This phenomenon is more evident than ever and even the first world countries can't escape this sad reality. What I don't understand very well is why products like oil are so expensive here in my country, because the territory is vast and the country is known for feeding the world through food exportation of every kinds. Theoretically there should be surplus of production for us here, consequently leading to cheaper prices, but that is not what happens for real. That is why I concluded expensive prices must be due to producers' greediness.

Personally I've never used lard, but I know some people here who use it in a daily basis and recommend more than cooking oil. They also claim it is more healthy and grant the food more flavour. Interesting that lard here is more expensive than cooking oil. 1 kilogram is about 3,70$ to 5$ (dollar currency).

Or, or, bear with me and watch this totally borderline madness idea, or maybe not to weird

Maybe it's because in reality the EU alone produces as many sunflower seeds for oil as Russia does?
https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL
It's a pain in the ass to link to that table from them on just production by country on a smartphone but trust me, it's the same.
And not only we do produce the same amount but we mainly use rapeseed oil:


The moment I can go past security pretending the silencer on my rifle is a microphone I promise you I will ask her! Oh, should I wait for the answer?

Since I have been saving receipts I went through a bunch from Sept 21 and Sept 22
Looking at a 1 to 1 compare i.e. if I bought it in Target Sept 21 I am looking for it in Target Sept 22 if I bought it in ShopRite Sept 21 I am looking for the same purchase in Sept 22. Comparing across stores is pointless.

Orange Juice = Same
English Muffins = Same
Frozen lunches = See above some went up a lot some went down an equal amount.
Chocolate = Up a lot BUT the on sale price is the same
Maple syrup = down a bit
Bananas = down a bit
Cereal = up a lot $1.19 to $1.49
Frozen chicken = Up about 7%+
Canned soup = up about 10%+
'Cheap' pasta = down about 20%
'Good' pasta = same
fresh pasta = up about 5%
[Can you tell I eat a lot of pasta....]

Everything else was not bought at the same store so I can't compare fairly.

What I AM seeing now is 'weekend pricing' a good cut of meat that is $18/lb on Wednesday is $24/lb Fri-Sun and when you walk back into the store the same meat is back to $18 Monday morning.
And from another thread I started a few years ago:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60867142

I really think that YES prices are up a bit, but people are really going into a panic because they don't want to change their habits.  Buy the steak you want for Saturday on Thursday, don't just go to the 1st gas station you see. etc.

Nothing wrong with the businesses doing it, they are entitled to make as much money as they want.

-Dave

Edit had a * instead of the + (typo)
Also, I think the bit of the + is to have the cost end in a 9. i.e. they didn't need to go from $1.79 to $1.99 for the soup but 10% would bring it to $1.97 so add $0.02 for more profit and call it a day....

Which reminds me, how much is a kilowatt/hour of electricity in Germany? And the average utility bill (not particularly yours) if you don't mind sharing. And if heat is billed separately then that too.

The country that is mentioned the most in this board in this context (with the addition of the US), as if only they have problems with rising prices, and the rest of the EU lives the same as before. I personally do not care what the prices of oil or anything else are in Germany, France or Spain because I buy these things in my country and what I know is the fact that the price of cooking oil has risen by 80% and even more than 100%.

Perhaps the Europeans should ask former Chancellor Merkel and her team why they persisted with Russian energy sources even after 2014, and now the whole EU is paying the price while they throw away hundreds of billions of EUR to save their economy.

Can you tell us where you are getting your Cooking Oil from and how much of this are coming from your own produce? The countries that are struggling ..are the ones that are mostly importing Oil from the Ukraine and now with the war, Ukraine cannot produce enough to export to other countries... or their crops was destroyed by the Russians.

Also, how much of the oil that are on the shelves, where stock that was stockpiled in warehouses, before the shortages started? A lot of the old stock are now sold at inflated prices... even if it was bought at a much lower price. 

Germany recently set aside 200 billion euros to offset rising end-user prices (infuriating the poorer EU member states). The producer price index is 45%, and food inflation is 10% - this difference is compensated by the German government at the expense of the budget. Therefore, looking at supermarket shelves, you (yet) do not see an explosive rise in prices, but this does not mean that the problem does not exist. The essence of the problem is that until recently Germany was the leader and locomotive of the European Union, a donor country for poorer countries such as Greece and the Baltics, and now it is more concerned with stabilizing its own problems and can no longer support its poor neighbors in the usual amount. Germany is a very rich country and it has a supply of fat to compensate for rising energy prices, fucked not Germany, but the European Union.

ps Is there anyone here from the Baltics or Greece? Tell me if everything is fine with the prices in supermarkets.

Petrol and Diesel prices in Germany as of yesterday:



Is there any product in the German supermarkets you want to know the price of? Or any other thing? Because some people here think that Germany is fucked and there is no way to escape and we are all gonna freeze to death, so the situation isn't like that and quality of life here is still high

Send more first-hand information, it is very valuable

I am wondering on what basis they are changing the pack prices on periodic basis? Like how do the stores know it’s time to upgrade the label this week?

The question is why are we just seeing the price upgrades in the Germany only? Every now and then I can see it’s only Germany everyone talking about. Why other EU regions are not in the mentions.

Does the Germany has Special relationship with the on going war or something?

Germany, the European countries are affected and they are paying more for everything when the war comes but I think that is still nothing compared to the 3rd world countries you and I live in. An 8-hour workday is almost impossible to feed a family with three meals and this has been the case for many years, many places are struggling with food shortages. You can also buy cooking oil, that's happiness, in the countryside where I live now many families have to use lard to replace cooking oil. There's much worse that we don't know because we've never heard of it.

The market is not that volatile to compare the price with last week. You should compare it over the long term like with the prices last year. Just like bitcoin price, in short term it looks like it is dumping or mooning but when you "zoom out" and ignore the bubbles you'd see a nice uptrend.

AFAIK food prices have always been lower in US, generally speaking. But again you should check it in long term (compared to last year for example). But also when speaking of inflation it is not only groceries, it is rent, utility bills or even gas/petrol you pump into your car. How are their prices compared to last year?

Other countries affected by the war between Russia and Ukraine were Germany and the Netherlands,
in the netherlands too
two-thirds of the cooking oil in the Netherlands comes from Ukraine and Russia.
So it's not surprising that their country was also affected, maybe the Netherlands and Germany had to look for oil supplies from other countries.

Where do you see price hikes most overall?  I think right now here in the United States inflation sits somewhere around 8-9%, but there are certain food items that are up sky high, anywhere from 10-60%.  Seafood and steak I know are two different food types that have skyrocketed. 

My ice cream has gone up a good bit as well as the plant based meats that I eat, those have all gone up a good bit.  This sucks!

I guess the questions are what WERE the prices vs what are the prices and what is availability REALLY like.
Obviously there is a lot of oil on those shelves BUT was there 2x of it last week was the €2 bottle €1 last week?

Here in the US you can see people running around screaming 'inflation is killing everything' but I can say because I am a REALLY boring person I am just not seeing it.

I get more or less the same grocery items from the same stores time after time after time and can say it's up a little, but at worst 5%. My pack of totally unhealthy chocolate chip muffins went from $5.49 to $5.79 the milk I dunk them in went from $4.89 to $5.09. BUT bananas went from $0.29 each to $0.25 each at one place and $0.49 / lb to $0.45 a lb at another. The bottle of salad dressing has not changed price. The cases of seltzer are still 3 for $12.

The frozen box lunches I keep in the freezer at work have actually gone both ways. I have 2 brands that I buy regularly they both used to be the same price $4.49. One went from $4.49 to $3.99 the other went from $4.49 to $4.99 so guess which one I am buying.

I guess it could be what I buy or where I shop but I really don't know. I am not seeing it to the extent that people are talking about.
Also, you have to figure 'not much is going on' makes for a really boring news show.

-Dave

Spot on. In fact the EU including Germany are affected, but have plenty of resources and political influence to short the issue. The problem comes when India and Germany are bidding for the same gas tanker (sorry India) or Somalia (on the verge of a massive famine) and Italy are bidding for the same cargo of grain. That is the real consequence of Adolf Putin's war - the poor perish without a cause.

Considering Germany is a first world country where people are supposed to have better wages and access to higher quality products the prices are similar to the ones I find in my third world country where quality of goods is much inferior. Here a bottle of oil 900ml (not olive oil) is about 3$. Olive oil 500ml must be around 3$ as well. And these are the cheapest options at the cheapest supermarkets disponible. If you want your food more tasty and delicious you have to purchase higher quality oils, of course.

News claim expensive prices are due to war, but I guess it's due to greed from producers who want to take advantage of the world's scenario to make extra profit.

I know from my experience that midrange supermarkets have had a better chance of keeping their costs low because they have fewer expenses and aren't still trying to expand (like the cheaper stores are).

I don't know for how long more this will be but I imagine it'll change as the cheaper chains grow further and still take over the market (unless the larger, more expensive stores rebrand - but I don't think they need to).

They seem well stocked with oil and as the above post said, exports were halted and have returned since (after a few deals with struck) - I think it was the same for grain too and with similar prosperity after the "deals" that were made or alternative imports routes were found.

You may have forgotten to look at the date on those posts because the cooking oil scarcity was a serious thing that lasted a while but that was a couple of months ago. Basically ever since countries which produced the gains used for cooking oil production resumed their exports the scarcity problem was greatly averted.

Should we just pretend by closing our eyes that the only affected region is Germany, the whole world is in ransom presently and the inflation has been getting more overcoming edge than expected in tackling it, the value of commodities in the market remains the same but their prices have over jumped up to a certain limit beyond correction, making available an alternatives on the demands on this items is a good option and this can be achieved through diversification, reduced import level and encourage every homemade finished products.

The German market is considered the most affected by the Ukrainian war, perhaps more than Ukraine itself, due to its dependence on Russia in the field of energy. This field is able to influence all areas of life, including the food industries or even the state's strategies for imports of goods.
In my opinion, the crisis is global and is not limited to Germany or the Western world as a whole.
The United States itself is witnessing a crisis in supplying its markets with basic commodities, affected by the global situation.
The world has become a small village, and a crisis cannot occur in a region without affecting the rest of the regions in one way or another.

Oh, those claims are true in any manner please let me know. I know of a few EU countries that will send it over gladly. In the places I have been everything is well supplied and you can pretty much buy anything that you could before the war, albeit a bit more expensive - nothing that would make people not buy.

I guess the RF must be doing great as well, you see, people are queuing in the borders surely to do some tourism in Georgia and Turkey.

https://expatguideturkey.com/mobilization-queue-of-3000-vehicles-on-the-russia-georgia-border/

I'm hearing from some people here and there that today there is a cooking oil deficit in Germany, food prices have skyrocketed and German's aren't able to buy food, there is cold everywhere and and so on and so forth.

I was in Ireland, now back to the Germany for a while. To clarify, I usually visit three shop: Kaufland, Edeka (Center) and Lidl/Aldi, so I'll update you from them. From these three Lidl/Aldi is discounter, Edeka is on expensive side and Kaufland is in the middle.

P.S. Click on the images to view better!
Let's start with the oil prices in Germany, in the state of Bavaria in Aldi. Date - October 25, 2022:



Oil prices in Edeka Center, in Germany, in the state of Bavaria. Date - October 25, 2022: