Topic: Food shortages coming to the United Kingdom, BUT - (Read 485 times)

Wait wait "The UK is facing a manufactured fake food shortage. The government has been at war with it's farmers for many years, forcing them to close with insane new regulations." what the mean of fake food shortage so the government war with their own farmer  that doesn't make any sense and the big question is WHY?

Damn the world really do upside down now haha

Some farmers are really going bankrupt ,the food shortage due to the government they really mess with the farmers.

They are, it's just not as scary as it was at the beginning.
You can't claim to be an eye witness unless you work at a hospital and test every patient that has flu like symptoms to see if they had caught COVID19.

That's true, Covid pretty much falls under the same category as flu, common cold, etc. In fact a lot of the times you caught cold in your entire life, had a fever, sore throat, etc. you actually had caught Covid. It's just that this new strain (Covid19) was nastier and had more severe symptoms.
Being new, nasty and unknown mortality rate, unknown mutation capabilities, etc. warranted lockdowns, wearing masks, etc.

But I agree that the reactions to it was exaggerated like the Merkel statements you mentioned. And of course in "chaos" scammers thrive. Which is where big pharma companies jumped in and used that opportunity to fill their pockets by scamming the governments and the population with their vaccines, etc.

Keep in mind that we know the mortality rate today, not back then since as I said this was an unknown strain.
Also mortality rate is not the important factor in case of an airborne virus because it is easy to spread. Otherwise there are weirdass viruses and bacterias that have a 90%-100% mortality rate but you never hear their names because you can't catch them easily like just by breathing

What exactly is causing the farmers to close down their farms though? I feel like people need to know about more of this because this affects them the most, food shortage due to the lack of local food supply would mean an increase in the need for imported food supplies and we all know what's going to happen when that happens right? Higher prices for basic stuff, it's surprising that a lot of people hasn't made complains about this because anything that's mostly natural and is being made artificial by humans is mostly going to get eventually bad and in the case of this one, it's going to be a pretty bad one.

UK is leading the world with vertical farming, meaning that you guys will end up with a better and more profitable farming in the end, and it will help the whole nation. When you do that, you are not really forced to be in a land for hours, you are basically in a place like a lab, and you get whatever you want and the results aren't all bad. We are talking about a lot less square feet required, a lot less resources required, and a lot more produced all at the same time.

You do not get any better than that, and a lot can be done that way as well, it is not like just a few things. So if this keeps going, I am sure that UK "food shortage" would stop being a threat forever, it is going to be full off vertical farming products everywhere.

Damn shortages, after eating my cat because of Russia, after freezing my ass at 20C because of lack of gas, after going hungry two times already because of recession and brexit now I find out there is a food shortages that has been going around for two months
What's net you're telling me we're going to lose the war with those independence mofos back in the thirteen colonies?
We need Boris back!

It's not a big problem, food is readily available in the international market and if UK decided to buy, they can probably get it at the price at which farmers in UK sells those food. i.e. buying won't be any costlier than producing in UK. There might be some compromises on quality but they'll get it.
There's no shortage of food either in international market, there are localized problems in places due to climate change but the overall food production is expected to grow by 1.2% in 2024 which is larger than expected population growth of 0.91%.
https://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en

Nobody here is denying the purpose behind all this but what we need to see is that is government trying enough to install the alternatives? Are the people satisfied with the availability of the item as they were satisfied before these laws were implemented.

That's very important to consider because we need to cater the issues of people.

Nobody's catching it anymore. I am a first eye witness. None. Zero covid19 cases in where I live.

It was fabricated.

The disease was more or less another flu variant and people were going to gain herd immunity anyway. There was absolutely zero need for a lock-down and  m-RNA gene therapies. (which was another scam) People lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because of that lie.

German Chancellor Frau Merkel was on TV in March 2020 and she said: "This is by far the most serious threat we are facing since World War II."

Stocks crashed, crypto crashed. People stopped going to work, retail business owners sold their business, tourism was no more. People didn't lose only lose their pay-jobs, big retail businesses went bankrupt because people were afraid to go outside.

What happened in the end?

7 million people died (according to worldometer) and 675 million recovered from it. Death rate = 1%

https://www.worldometers.info/

There are 60 million people die every year. The whole world lost its shit and hundreds of billions was lost because 2 million more people died addition to the 60 million. What about the loss of wealth and people that got hurt because of the recklessness of these politicians? There are many more people who were affected by that fabricated lie.

I had zero vaccines, never got myself tested, never caught covid19, even if I did, I didn't notice and didn't give a flying shit. (except for the money and business I lost)

I think governments wanted to have a full control of their people, society and economy but the thing is that the people are the most affected here since policies implemented are not favorable to them in the long run. But how do these wealthy nations run out of food while they were actively providing aid to war torn countries as if nothing happens? But if climate change really is the reason behind these shortages then they should have to find ways to help farmers or else there will always be a never ending protest against the government itself.

Yeah, I was also heavily "politicized".

It's not all alleged or scam, even though it is sullied with a lot of it.

Food security on a global scale has indeed been threated for the past couple of years.

* Climate change is one of the major reasons, like what we have had El Niño/La Niña wreaking havoc in the world with sudden massive floods and drought at the same time that has significantly impacted food production. Off the top of my head I can name the damage it caused in West Africa decreasing the production (eg. drop in cocoa harvest) and the floods in Pakistan that decreased the rice harvest by about a million tons and in a lot of other regions.

* Conflicts has been another contributing factor. For example two of the biggest grain producers have been fighting a war for 2 years now! That is bound to affect grain prices globally as the global supply decreases.
On top of that, with global tensions growing, a lot of countries that are major food producer and exporter started decreasing their exports affecting the global markets and both increasing the price and worsening the shortage.

* There are some other contributing factors that are sometimes local like the case in UK that I explained that is the result of bad economic policies by the government due to an economy crisis, etc....

If it is true and it seems that the government there has taken the wrong medicine by taking policies at any time. The fact is that currently the issue of food security is highly prioritized in facing climate change today and meeting the food supply to be sufficient for every citizen of each country, otherwise the situation if it has risen in rating can have a bad impact.

100% must be their responsibility, Maybe the policies taken by each country to overcome problems or issues about something may not be the same, but if the policy is considered unequal and not functional, I think the government there should be quickly changed to run normally again.

well, he can convince a poor country to eat bugs especially when they don't have the choice. but the countries that are abundant with fish and animal farms, they will eat happily the meat and not mind klause.

UK farmers were just choked by the environmental standards though. their government is to blame for what is happening. people keep shouting the communist part of China is cruel but they never did this to their farmers actually.

Well, I don't want to get too much into the Covid issue, what I will say is that I think there was partial manipulation. Not that it was all a fabrication.

In this case of the alleged food shortage it reminds me of what happened with the emperor Commodus in Rome. He grew up with a slave who later became a freedman and by being a friend of his reached heights of power. Commodus was disengaged from power and this freedman one of the things he did was to provoke a food shortage, diverting the grain that came from Egypt to save it and later appear as the savior who alleviated the famine of the people.

With this I want to show that there are very old cases of politicians who offer to solve problems that they themselves create.

The so-called food shortage due to climate change is a scam. You only have to look at the agriculture of the Netherlands or Israel in the middle of a fucking desert to realize that if we stop victimizing stories and spreading panic among the population, current technology allows us to create food in abundance, in very adverse climates.

Just because the governments stopped reporting stats it doesn't mean COVID19 was fabricated and nobody is catching it anymore. The numbers have dropped because of Herd Immunity, otherwise you can visit a hospital or speak to healthcare workers and see if people were "fainting" or was it actually happening.

Coronavirus existed forever and it is a similar virus to the common cold virus with similar symptoms. The COVID19 was a new strain of the same Coronavirus, possibly artificially produced/manipulated in a lab, that had severe symptoms. So it is not "more or less just the colds", it is still a nasty virus despite the overall increased immunity of the human race over the past couple of years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

There has never been any "cure" for Coronavirus just like there is no "cure" for common cold. Your body has to take care of it and all the treatments are either to improve your immune system or to alleviate the pain and symptoms.
The COVID19 vaccines were either useless or caused severe side effects (specially the US made ones). Some versions of the vaccine may have increased the body's immunity only in some cases but even for those they never created actual immunity (vaccinated people can catch it again). They were neither a cure nor an actual prevention.

Maybe in your area only but on others and in ours here, I still can see people who wear it, especially if they are working in hospitals or are students in any schools. Wearing masks has become a norm ever since Covid came. It's great because people see the importance of it, either for protecting their health or to simply hide their faces if they are insecure about it.

Eating bugs on the other hand are not a crazy thing but I already saw lots of people who does that and maybe that person there already tried it before for them to also recommend it. It might actually come in handy and save our lives one day if we have nothing to eat anymore.

and people are not wearing masks anymore these days. we have been lied to but we all believed it. i still have boxes of masks at home it has become a habit already to take one whenever we get out.

i can agree that this is really fabricated by the governments conspiring with each other and just like mentioned above. Klaus Schwab encouraging people to eat bugs is like the craziest ideas. i wonder iff he himself is eating bugs.

Mate, are you serious?

The first virus recorded was almost over 4 years ago now and since then many has changed. Scientists and doctors worked hand in hand to find different ways of prevention and cure for covid19. They came up with vaccines and had everyone vaccinated. Another reason why people are not fainting due to covid19 is because their body have built an immunity to it already. Basically covid19 virus is more or less just the colds now.

Do you think some diseases weren't considered as plagues and deadly back then when they were first discovered?

Where do you live? because everywhere else in the world, people were just not fainting, but they were dying.

Meat shortages can occur because its a cattle stock can take up alot more space, the logistics can be greater then plain grown goods but UK can always import from many nearby farming countries.  There is a trading agreement for farming within the commonwealth countries so I dont even think (frozen) meat could come into shortage normally.   I dont believe the UK is quite in that bad situation just yet but possibly bad crops can occur and force some liability in the trading balance.

And no, it's not a conspiracy theory:

Aldi 'considers selling edible INSECTS' to help with cost of living crisis

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/aldi-considers-selling-edible-insects-28279380

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1390282743356010496

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1558014404855209986

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3UqLAtdZ04

Yummy!

Sounds like something dumb a Russian propagandist would say, considering they are getting their asses kicked by their closest neighbor after invading. If you knew anything, you'd understand that the UK pretty much exists in rain for 6 months of the year anyway, so the current weather is nothing new or surprising. Farming in the UK is more organized and performed at a huge industrial scale with very few farmers able to use automated equipment to cover vast swathes of land. It's also got some of the cheapest food prices in the world with excellent standards. Everywhere is seeing food prices tick up, so there is nothing new or unique about the situation the UK is facing right now - every country has it.

They do it on purpose. It is all fabricated. Just like covid. Seriously though, why haven't anybody caught covid19 this winter? I see nobody is fainting on the streets anymore. Come to think of it, I only see these fainting people on the internet and they were from China. I never saw it anywhere else.

The next major fabricated disaster will be the climate change. Food shortages is a side/minor disaster like energy crisis. This will lead to a world war if these politicians don't come to their senses.

The part that amazes me the most is to hear that the UK is facing food shortages due to the climate change. Whilst that can affect the productivity and fertility of the soil for maximum production, haven't the government made enough arrangements for the present predicaments. What is the essence of the forecasting that the government is doing ahead of the time.

Let's recall how the story of prophet Joseph (Yusuf), (for the sake of history), have helped a lot of governments plan ahead of situations like this, so that they can bring succor to the people when their faced with the food shortages in a nation. How prophet Yusuf (Joseph) interpreted the dream of the Pharoah of Egypt with solutions, at that period when the Pharoah dreamt about 7 years of abundant harvest and 7 years of food shortages and the prophet provided solutions towards the scarcity by advising the government to store their massive yields of foods against the drought season.

For leading countries like UK, I believe the lack of food which has caused about the recent hike and rise in the commodity market, should be more of a government wrong decision than just the exteme weather influenced by the said climate change.

there are times it would sound just an illusion because its just the government doing it and media is exaggerating the report.  governments like OPEC lessen their production rate.

food shortage could be real since the farmers are revolting. they could just be producing wheat and meat by now but only for their own consumption which is more problematic since they are just the ones going to be eating. that water scarcity is more of an illusion since we are surrounded by water. they say 90% of the world is water. 

The food and energy crisis has been going on for 4-5 years and it is getting deeper day by day, and some countries are feeling this scarcity more due to inflation. There is too much money in circulation and not enough support is given by the states for food production. Unless support is given, farmers will not do their job, in fact they will not be able to do it because they cannot make a proper profit. They are also talking about water scarcity in the future. I don't know how or when this will happen, but water scarcity is a bigger problem than food. It's interesting that you mentioned that this scarcity is artificial and an illusion, I liked this aspect as well.

This is one of the many consequences of the Energy and Economic Crisis I have been talking about over the past 3 years. That's just the government trying to cut costs and the biggest pressure is on the lowest income groups such as the farmers. Hence the ongoing protests over the past couple of years!

It is too soon to see a major food shortage in UK because for now they've been "loosening" the laws an importing lower quality food products that are cheaper and the consequences of which will be seen in the diminishing health of the population over the coming years...

I think the government is not doing the right measurements that should be done in order to solve these kinds of issues. These are very sensitive issue because they are related to the food supply chain and they need special care when catered.

When you'll impose that much strictness and laws on people they'll find a way to run and people will be left behind in a good shortage situation. You have to give them some time tenure to absorb the changes in laws and regulations.

This is what happens when you're too focused on technology neglecting agriculture that's at the centre of your existence. This is not just an American narrative but a global problem m the agricultural sector used to be one of the most viable sector that has driven great revenue to so many nations in the past but since the discovery of oil and advanced technology, attention has drifted away to a very large extent while little or no support to local farmers leaving the sector to suffer and to only depend on themselves for most of her productivity.

But then, is don't think this is a big deal cause even if local agriculture isn't providing enough to take care of the nations needs, there is always the option of sourcing our for help from outside nation to meeting up with the demand that is needed in the country and at the end of th day the people that will suffer for such negligence on th sector will still be the poor that will have to buy items at a rather expensive amount.

They have the resources but their government is trying to impose regulations which makes it harder for the farmers to produce the crops and get into the market. This has been the issue of many countries as their government prefers to import than to produce on their own, and this is also our scenario in our country. If U.K didn't recognize the importance of their farmers and trying to create a food shortage then I'm sure something is going on and that is not ok in the long run. Inflation will also be a problem, U.K have to impose lighter regulation and support their own farmers.

I understand that at a time, every government prioritises what they give attention and what brings value to the country and when any sector is not included, they will underestimate it and maybe not give it the necessary support needed.
In my country, the economic growth started with Agriculture and later the country discovered crude oil and abandoned agriculture totally. Now, they pay little to no attention to agriculture. This could be a similar situation in UK of well investigated.

I like the fact that you've added the possibility that this may not be real. Still, I advise that you do not take anything you read on social media seriously, they are often being manufactured for gains or they are just rumours, while others are just ugly imaginations. In this present age, there are serious countries that I know a thing like that will not catch them unawares, and one of them is the UK. You may talk about inflation, unemployment and other issues that are temporary, and are normal to the countries' economy, but when it comes to the food shortage, I am certain that they will guard against it as they always do.

It wanted to happen during the Brexit time, but you see how they managed the situation even as the EU tried to be problematic then. As a nation that balances the importation and exportation of food, it will take a long time before food will be an issue for them because if it is about draught, they can import till they sort that out, and I am sure that it is not all the land of the country that will be plagued with that. Let's not just imagine what is not, this news is not popular, so the chance of it to be false is high. Needless to say, you will hardly see a country that is not being warned of food scarcity by some organizations yearly, only to discover that the scarcity never happened.

Correct me if I am wrong since I am not from the UK but it seems to me that agriculture is not the very best of business in the country which says a lot because farming is incredibly important and essential for providing food. If farming is not maximized, inflation could be higher.

If UK is like this I can not imagine what other countries of a poorer economic state are experiencing. We really need to do something even as individuals to ensure our safety and survival in today’s world.

why is the government of all industries to mess up the farmers who feed us all? afaik they ban fertilizers as well.

people not eating enough will all be hot-tempered. people today are very dependent on the food in cans, we don't even know how to catch fish so when people get hungry, they steal food. it's not good for leaders to rule a country full of hungry men because everyone will just be looting supermarkets.

From my own understanding this food shortage is not coming as a result of climate changes but rather I feel that it was due to fake manufactured foods by farmers and it is a good one by the UK government because what will be the essence of having surplus foods when majority of them are fake. And it is also a way of protecting citizens and others from harmful foods and likely food positioning.
Food scarcity have been a major challenge across the globe as it's not only in the United Kingdom that is experiencing food shortage and the causes isn't that farmers are not trying their possible best to make farm produce available but rather due to degradation of the soil as a result of industrial actions have made the soil lose fertility and unable to produce much foods as expected again.

Brexit affected the agricultural sector of the UK negatively because the free movement of farm produce around Europe has been hampered. The British economy has been connected to Europe and leaving the Union is having dire consequences. Last month farmers drove tractors to the parliament to express displeasure over unfavorable trade deals and post-Brexit rule which is affecting local food production.

I also think that the war in Ukraine is another factor that is affecting agriculture in Europe due to the influx of cheap grains for the war-torn nation. I read that some European countries have banned the importation of Ukrainian grains because it is affecting local producers negatively since it is cheaper. The UK government would have to do more to curb these problems because any nation that goes through a food crisis might not grow economically since they will have to rely heavily on imports. These negative policies are also causing a loss of jobs because some farms are going bankrupt.

The food crisis is a real problem that is happening at the moment, and England is one of the countries experiencing this problem. Protests and demonstrations carried out by the community continue, because the British government has not been able to answer this problem. High energy costs and climate change are the main causes of the food crisis in England, where this results in productivity in the food sector being hampered, resulting in an imbalance of food between supply and demand, between production and consumption.

Until now there is no clear point to answer this problem, overcome the food crisis and hunger that is occurring. Food security must be a top priority, but it is very surprising that many countries ignore this problem and look at it with one eye.

Food scarcity may exist at an individual level,a city level,state level,nation level,continent level,or even a global level.Therefore,food scarcity on a global level is mostly influenced by the natural resources and human influence such as governmental organization and public aids that are in charge.
Climate change and inflation are the major triggers of food insecurity,economic shocks;like existing wars and conflicts are some of the contributing factors that create food crisis,severely leading million souls into starvation and extreme hunger.

Food crisis has been happening all around the world since like 4-5 years ago and some countries sort it out by importing it from another countries. Obviously this is due to the stupid regulations from most government to increase tax or cut off subsidies for agricultural sector. As a matter of facts, some of these imports are even cheaper compared to the farmers product so goverment wouldnt really care less about this situation

Probably wouldnt turn into any major economic issue for the country but obviously the situation could be worse

Life in England is truly extraordinary, especially life in London, which is the capital of England, where most people live in luxury. But all of that was useless, even the money they had was worth nothing compared to a handful of wheat. To be able to survive, it is true what you said that food availability must be the main focus in this life.

And of course this does not happen without reason. The extreme weather and climate change that occurs can really affect the productivity of the agricultural industry. Not to mention the addition of energy costs which continue to increase, which results in reduced food production. At this time and for the next few days, people in England will probably experience quite difficult times. But hopefully this problem will end quickly, the British government must immediately take positive steps and policies to respond to the current problem (food crisis). So that everyone can fulfill their need for food, and there will be no more hunger.

Food is essential for the survival of human beings, even by extension all living things, without food people will go hungry and starve to death, so I wonder why developed countries like the UK will not encourage farmers to be very productive. The population of people in the UK and every other developed countries are increasing rapidly, especially with the increased numbers of migrants entering these countries, that are looking for greener pastures, food shortages will be disastrous in these countries. Although I don't know the full story of why the UK will slam unfavorable regulations on farmers, knowing the implications of food scarcity in a country, I hope for the sake of their citizens, that they resolve the issue with their farmers so that their people will not starve.

Farmers protesting has been in the news for months already not just in the UK. In most countries in the EU, farmers have been protesting and dumping shit on government buildings seeking the government to stop cheap imports and inflation for they are not profiting because of it.

Sure the weather is a factor as well but if the government is adding weight to thier burdens I'm sure they are going to make food shortage worse.

 - There's a possbility that it's merely manufactured.




This sort of situation is inflationary, and if inflation doesn't go down, then something will need to break for it to be forced to go down. That indicates a recession, OR if there's too much money in circulation it's going to be worse. Stagflation.