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Topic: For DT1 members: mhanbostanci & alts (Read 2659 times)

legendary
Activity: 3248
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August 20, 2020, 07:54:47 AM
#98
I'm only relying on google translate, but why is mhanbostanci discussing launching a DDoS attack in this post here?

Archive [1a], [1b]
@EFS @LoyceV @suchmoon @ibminer @jollygood

Never rely on Google translate for Turkish translations.
You don't even know what we're discussing.
Registrar service of subject * .tr domains.
government employee IT specialists are not qualified.
Therefore, they are not able to quality way manage information systems.
It is a risk that such a critical service is managed by non-experts.
I wrote that we would be damaged in a possible attack.
You are as funny as you are ignorant.
legendary
Activity: 3696
Merit: 2219
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August 20, 2020, 04:50:39 AM
#97
I'm only relying on google translate, but why is mhanbostanci discussing launching a DDoS attack in this post here?

Archive [1a], [1b]
@EFS @LoyceV @suchmoon @ibminer @jollygood
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
June 04, 2020, 11:22:46 PM
#96
Weird how this kind of behavior is ok for you, but not for other people...

False. It's not ok for anyone. If anyone thinks that I'm looking for reciprocal inclusions please exclude me instead.

Now that you here judging and all, what's your opinion on the sockpuppets busted in the OP? Still trust them? Weird that you include only one of them - what's wrong with the other one?
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
June 04, 2020, 10:52:54 PM
#95
this is the crime ? where is game?

You retaliated with exclusions against two users (efialtis and A-Bolt) and they dropped out of DT1 as a result. Considering that you were including A-Bolt up to that point and switched that to an exclusion - doesn't seem like this was an actual "I trusted your judgement and now I suddenly don't" thing.

Then you included 4 users who have little support inside DT1 (2-3 inclusions). Again, one of them went from being excluded to being included by you, making it so much less likely that this is about your trust or distrust of their judgement and more likely that you're fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

A "crime"? No. A pattern of sleazy exploitation of your position in DT1. Gaming the DT1 voting system to benefit yourself.

Weird how this kind of behavior is ok for you, but not for other people...


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-excluding-people-just-because-some-one-you-dont-like-includes-them-valid-5251037
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
June 04, 2020, 09:58:47 PM
#94
there is nothing some strange about efialtis and A-Bolt
i trusted them in the past and not trust now

Seems to happen a lot. You're a bit... unstable.

what is problem?

I explained above what I think the problem is but I don't expect you to agree so carry on.
legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 1187
June 04, 2020, 09:38:09 PM
#93
So yes, you *are* gaming the system.

Yeb he has and dont know if he doing it already again !

But i guess the last shown changes on Bpip was because he was added to DT1 List and got instant kicked out of the whole DT1 and DT2.
Because the most distrust him and i guess thats why there was the last changes seen on Bpip.
Dont know if that is right but i guess .
But its a waste of time to discuss that with him.

you can  fuck off ) you trust abuser and i not want even to discuss with you


hey suchkamoon !
there is nothing some strange about efialtis and A-Bolt
i trusted them in the past and not trust now
what is problem?
why your ass so flaming for it i cant undestand

you and loycev ( and other morons of your gang ) colluding and manipulate trust system but you masturbate to my behavior
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
June 04, 2020, 07:56:39 PM
#92
this is the crime ? where is game?

You retaliated with exclusions against two users (efialtis and A-Bolt) and they dropped out of DT1 as a result. Considering that you were including A-Bolt up to that point and switched that to an exclusion - doesn't seem like this was an actual "I trusted your judgement and now I suddenly don't" thing.

Then you included 4 users who have little support inside DT1 (2-3 inclusions). Again, one of them went from being excluded to being included by you, making it so much less likely that this is about your trust or distrust of their judgement and more likely that you're fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

A "crime"? No. A pattern of sleazy exploitation of your position in DT1. Gaming the DT1 voting system to benefit yourself.
legendary
Activity: 3178
Merit: 3295
June 04, 2020, 07:24:44 PM
#91
So yes, you *are* gaming the system.

Yeb he has and dont know if he doing it already again !

But i guess the last shown changes on Bpip was because he was added to DT1 List and got instant kicked out of the whole DT1 and DT2.
Because the most distrust him and i guess thats why there was the last changes seen on Bpip.
Dont know if that is right but i guess .
But its a waste of time to discuss that with him.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 2093
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June 04, 2020, 07:00:26 PM
#90
i just add someone and remove someone
what s problem?
this is the crime ? where is game?

We call that the TECSHARE shuffle.  I feel like maybe he shouldn't get all the credit though.



legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 1187
June 04, 2020, 06:41:10 PM
#89
Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  Cheesy

He's been gaming the dT for months - (it's been covered in other threads) and he's done another batch of DT manipulation again today.

when you post this shit please add "seems" or my IMO
or you have some proofs that  i GAMING ?

or distrusting you is gaming ?

This is just in the last month since the last DT1 selection (May):

https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

(see below as well)


There are multiple-instances where you go from trusting someone to distrusting them without having gone to a neutral setting and within hours of someone distrusting you you then distrust that person in retaliation.




20 hours after BPIP reported the monthly DT1 selection (June) (probably when you next logged on) you have again gone on a GAMING THE SYSTEM spree:


Even just in this handful of lines (ten in all) you have gone from distrusting one user to trusting them (asche), and gone from trusting another user to distrusting them (A-Bolt).




Now compare it to my own DT trusts/distrusts in the last *two* months:






So yes, you *are* gaming the system.

are you realy masturbating to this ?
where is game ?
i just add someone and remove someone
what s problem?
this is the crime ? where is game?
legendary
Activity: 3696
Merit: 2219
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June 04, 2020, 05:53:40 PM
#88
I don't think it is wrong to distrust those that distrust you if you know that you are trustworthy.

It is up to others to decide if a person is trustworthy.  @LoyceV would be the first to tell you there are far too many users using the trust feedback and default trust (and now Flags as well) for vendettas.

Quote
Clearly their judgement is impaired and they no longer are suitable for default trust.

Agreed.  They should never have been on DT

Quote
You want those that demonstrate a good judge of character ?

Each person should make up their own mind, not go along with their gang members.

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I don't believe that this is gaming the system.

Your four sentences contradict each-other.
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
June 04, 2020, 05:39:27 PM
#87
Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  Cheesy

He's been gaming the dT for months - (it's been covered in other threads) and he's done another batch of DT manipulation again today.

when you post this shit please add "seems" or my IMO
or you have some proofs that  i GAMING ?

or distrusting you is gaming ?

This is just in the last month since the last DT1 selection (May):

https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

(see below as well)

https://i.imgur.com/nKa1aVk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5nQPkI9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1kZqDpJ.jpg

There are multiple-instances where you go from trusting someone to distrusting them without having gone to a neutral setting and within hours of someone distrusting you you then distrust that person in retaliation.




20 hours after BPIP reported the monthly DT1 selection (probably when you next logged on) you have again gone on a GAMING THE SYSTEM spree:

https://i.imgur.com/ACLfUXb.jpg

Even just in this handful of lines you have gone from distrusting one user to trusting them (asche), and gone from trusting another user to distrusting them (A-Bolt).

I don't think it is wrong to distrust those that distrust you if you know that you are trustworthy.
Clearly their judgement is impaired and they no longer are suitable for default trust.
You want those that demonstrate a good judge of character ?

I don't believe that this is gaming the system.
legendary
Activity: 3696
Merit: 2219
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June 04, 2020, 05:30:41 PM
#86
[quote author=peloso link=topic=5247998.msg54559170#msg54559170 date=1591267081]
[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=5247998.msg54558847#msg54558847 date=1591262626]
[quote author=logfiles link=topic=5247998.msg54532314#msg54532314 date=1590880900]
Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  Cheesy
[/quote]

He's been gaming the dT for months - (it's been covered in other threads) and he's done another batch of DT manipulation again today.
[/quote]

when you post this shit please add "seems" or my IMO
or you have some proofs that  i GAMING ?

or distrusting you is gaming ?
[/quote]

This is just in the last month since the last DT1 selection (May):

https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

(see below as well)

[img width=400]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob9fd93d7a8ef9337d.jpeg[/img]
[img width=400]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob632f6cab0dd8c35e.jpeg[/img]
[img width=400]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob7485c29b601e8fac.jpeg[/img]

There are multiple-instances where you go from trusting someone to distrusting them without having gone to a neutral setting and within hours of someone distrusting you you then distrust that person in retaliation.




20 hours after BPIP reported the monthly DT1 selection (June) (probably when you next logged on) you have again gone on a GAMING THE SYSTEM spree:



Even just in this handful of lines (ten in all) you have gone from distrusting one user to trusting them (asche), and gone from trusting another user to distrusting them (A-Bolt).




Now compare it to my own DT trusts/distrusts in the last *two* months:






So yes, you *are* gaming the system.
legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 1187
June 04, 2020, 05:38:01 AM
#85
Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  Cheesy

He's been gaming the dT for months - (it's been covered in other threads) and he's done another batch of DT manipulation again today.

when you post this shit please add "seems" or my IMO
or you have some proofs that  i GAMING ?

or distrusting you is gaming ?
legendary
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Merit: 2219
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June 04, 2020, 04:23:46 AM
#84
Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  Cheesy

He's been gaming the dT for months - (it's been covered in other threads) and he's done another batch of DT manipulation again today.
legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 1187
May 31, 2020, 08:42:30 AM
#83
what problem if this user excluded lot of scammers and bad peoples?
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Fuck you, you are an asshole. I guess I wasn't such a "bad person" for removing my neg on after you begged me endlessly.  Roll Eyes

you can honestly fuck yourself I allow you)) you very bad person, you pet of lauda's gang and stupid idiot
so fuck yourself or go to fuck lauda

begged endlessly? you sick ?))
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
May 30, 2020, 07:02:11 PM
#82
what problem if this user excluded lot of scammers and bad peoples?
.
Fuck you, you are an asshole. I guess I wasn't such a "bad person" for removing my neg on after you begged me endlessly.  Roll Eyes
copper member
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1827
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May 30, 2020, 06:21:40 PM
#81
what problem if this user excluded lot of scammers and bad peoples?

Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  Cheesy


Peloso appears 148 times in the DT1 Changes list since 22/Feb/2020  Shocked . Buddy, i think you should give it a break.

legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 1187
May 30, 2020, 01:15:58 PM
#80
what problem if this user excluded lot of scammers and bad peoples?
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 30, 2020, 01:11:09 PM
#79
Bump.
Accounts are excluded from DT but account miyav makes me wonder. In addition to this (from last week):

Quote
miyav Trusts these users' judgement:
1. theymos
2. EFS
3. goraset
4. teramit
5. MorpheWQ
6. Lydian
7. Zz
8. mhanbostanci
9. cabsav
10. ekiller
11. alpsea
12. onurgozupek
13. bobita
14. Vispilio
15. Blacknavy
16. PHI1618
17. gospodin

miyav Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. ~Lauda
2. ~termo$
3. ~rehberistan
Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-23_Sat_05.03h/1687719.html

New inclusions/exclusions (last change):

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miyav Trusts these users' judgement:
2. NEW TECSHARE
3. NEW peloso
9. Removed Zz
9. Removed mhanbostanci
9. NEW LoyceV

miyav Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Foxpup
2. ~Lauda
3. NEW ~Timelord2067
4. NEW ~klaaas
5. NEW ~mindrust
6. NEW ~suchmoon
7. NEW ~owlcatz
8. Removed ~termo$
8. NEW ~marlboroza
9. NEW ~nullius
10. NEW ~JollyGood
11. NEW ~GazetaBitcoin
12. Removed ~rehberistan
Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-30_Sat_12.05h/1687719.html

And, account mhanbostanci's distrusted users:

Quote
mhanbostanci Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. ~Foxpup
2. ~Lauda
3. ~Timelord2067
4. ~klaaas
5. ~mindrust
6. ~owlcatz
7. ~Last of the V8s
8. ~termo$
9. ~nullius
10. ~JollyGood
11. ~GazetaBitcoin
12. ~rehberistan
Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-30_Sat_12.05h/434984.html

According to https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=miyav, account is DT2. Another thing worth mentioning is that account has never sent any trust feedback:


legendary
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May 30, 2020, 09:13:08 AM
#78
Bump.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 25, 2020, 02:41:02 PM
#77

Your default trust accounts, mhanbostanci and Zz  Cheesy

I have nothing to do with the new account you are trying to associate.

Help us out then. Which account were you trying to sell, or perhaps more importantly - was that account enrolled in the secondstrade campaign at the same time as your mhanbostanci account? That might be bounty cheating - you know, the crime that you and your Turkish colleagues are very concerned about.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 25, 2020, 01:35:20 PM
#76
Spend your energy to support your leader. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54469714  Grin  Cheesy
Oh, you are one of those people who see only when I agree with lauda and refuse to see when I disagree with him.

Probably because I agreed with him on your case, don't worry, I created my own topic about you and your alt account Zz, you are always welcome to discuss in my topic about this, but please use Zz account for discussion.

This is my last post in this topic.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1531
May 25, 2020, 01:30:22 PM
#75


I,m repeating.
Believing their own lies is a psychological condition.
I will pray to God for your recovery.
my nephew is not in the forum. Zz is not my nephew.
I will no longer answer you.

Spend your energy to support your leader. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54469714  Grin  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 25, 2020, 11:36:27 AM
#74
I have nothing to do with the new account you are trying to associate.
Learn to read!
Zz is someone who does an in-depth analysis.
Your niece Zz is not able to talk or something? How...unusual. Why she doesn't want to talk here?
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1531
May 25, 2020, 11:12:42 AM
#73

Your default trust accounts, mhanbostanci and Zz  Cheesy

I have nothing to do with the new account you are trying to associate.
There are many members who trust me. is this a crime?
Zz is someone who does an in-depth analysis.
Usually, it examines the newly opened crypto money markets  in our country.
Therefore, many members rely on his analysises.
It is clear why you attack reputable members.
There's nothing you can't do for money.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 25, 2020, 08:40:52 AM
#72
That's why I liquidated them all.
That sounds like a lot accounts.
When I banned the forum to my niece, I confiscated all her digital values. it was a move to motivate my nephew.
Oh, so there is also a niece. Nephew, niece, student...

So you had another Hero account in the same campaign that your mhanbostanci account was in? And you don't remember what it was?

Would this list help you refresh your memory:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GaJPH0hdO_-WotV5bAbdWjX7PiiaogKOT3lfjoOXebw

Last date in spreadsheet is 29.5. List of hero members:

Miiike https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/miiike-552299
kotofey https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kotofey-554840
Spacewalker https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/spacewalker-639327
daarul https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/daarul50-672808
lenoli https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lenoli-447062
Za1n https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/za1n-529727
kvazimodo https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kvazimodo-505624
petahashminer https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/petahashminer-384041
KBH https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kbh-505538
smigel https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/smigel-509253
tukinen https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tukinen-505236
Naoko https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/naoko-533874
daniahya https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/daniahya-367891
rinhunter https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rinhunter-475063
Pattart https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pattart-132673
jetfox https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jetfox-158236
Begoods https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/begoods-452876
Blawpaw https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blawpaw-146583
syndria https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/syndria-545104
7788bitcoin https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/7788bitcoin-395871

If I am looking at this correctly, petahashminer is only hero member posting in Turkish local. Activity was 476 in January 25. 2016 (http://web.archive.org/web/20160127014921/https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/petahashminer-384041) so it is something around 588, correct? It's not really close to 770, while Zz was around 770 at that time, if not 770.


Your default trust accounts, mhanbostanci and Zz  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 25, 2020, 07:54:48 AM
#71
If you read the subject, you will see that the account has not been sold. ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15278126 )
You continue to make false claims on issues you do not know.
There is no account trade. I don't even remember what the account is.

So you had another Hero account in the same campaign that your mhanbostanci account was in? And you don't remember what it was?

Would this list help you refresh your memory:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GaJPH0hdO_-WotV5bAbdWjX7PiiaogKOT3lfjoOXebw
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1531
May 25, 2020, 04:52:41 AM
#70

unfounded claims...

~mhanbostanci
~Zz

thank you.

When I banned the forum to my niece, I confiscated all her digital values. it was a move to motivate my nephew.
Unfortunately, It did not show the success we expected at school.
That's why I liquidated them all.
If you read the subject, you will see that the account has not been sold. ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15278126 )
You continue to make false claims on issues you do not know.
There is no account trade. I don't even remember what the account is.
But I can say this: This has nothing to do with my student's account.
Believing their own lies is a psychological condition.
I will pray to God for your recovery.
legendary
Activity: 1218
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May 24, 2020, 09:20:16 PM
#69
I'm sure Blacknavy will be stopping by with some story about how he manages investments for his brother, mother, and goat, and once sold his aunt and his niece. Totally normal.

I've also sold my goats for internet connection.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 24, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
#68
I did some research about Hero member in Second trade's campaign and I have found not-his-alt account Zz (hero member, activity 714) posting few months earlier:

I'm sure Blacknavy will be stopping by with some story about how he manages investments for his brother, mother, and goat, and once sold his aunt and his niece. Totally normal.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 24, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
#67
I just need to provide more proofs of connection(@moderator please merge if necessary). June 07, 2016. mhanbostanci has tried to sell account (http://archive.is/RZzMr):

i want join and sig add
name: Zz
postcount: 1118
rank: Hero Member
bitcoin address: 19Aw9JN3ypHDrd9AA1LyYJjaTWHHGDhhDP
http://web.archive.org/web/20160420003345/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=907271.5140



Zz  is a student I teach Linux system administration.


~mhanbostanci
~Zz

thank you.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 22, 2020, 04:30:05 PM
#66
This is the wrong place to claim that the blockchain is lying.
No way, I checked this account's trust feedback:


...and it seems mhanbostanci trusts blockchain (even in case of few ethereum transactions). Maybe he tagged someone's pet?

We have been warning people about this since the DT system changed.
I am thinking of some scenario when more and more accounts like those from OP will become DT members, users will be scared to tag abusers here because of visible retaliations and what will be purpose of DT then, to tag newbie abusers only?

Are these accounts still in DT Huh
Yeah.


Short update:

Post adresi: bitman hashnet konusu
Postu atan: cakir1
Tip miktarı: 0.001635 BTC
Tip tx id:  a2d709473f9e8ba98d61e76d15a451bb4ecd705951ed50bfe8ec2e0fa769c320

Çakır kardeşim bende ufak bir şeyler göndermek istedim.
selamlar.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/a2d709473f9e8ba98d61e76d15a451bb4ecd705951ed50bfe8ec2e0fa769c320 (http://archive.is/YrT8h)



2/4 addresses belong to mhanbostanci while he claims that other two connected address's are friends and family  Cheesy
legendary
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May 22, 2020, 08:28:16 AM
#65
Are these accounts still in DT Huh
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 21, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
#64
You believed the lies very quickly.

This has nothing to do with wolwoo.
the gang tried to humiliate me with false claims about this.

This is the wrong place to claim that the blockchain is lying.

The Turkish community does not consist of a few DT candidates.

All you care about is dominating the signature campaigns.
all of you were unaware of my existence.
until you apply for a Signature campaign One day.

And yet new users routinely get accepted into campaigns and some others get removed without resorting to conspiracy theories. Have you ever tried to think this through?

The global forum community when time is come will exclude people like you.

They can do it right now. I don't mind.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
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Licking my boob since 1970
May 21, 2020, 06:12:31 PM
#63
The global forum community when time is come will exclude people like you.

We have been warning people about this since the DT system changed.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1531
May 21, 2020, 06:07:43 PM
#62
Would that be the same community that respects wolwoo and praises Vispilio for diddling the trust system? I don't think this carries as much weight as you think it does. Respect inside the community won't mean much outside of it until the community starts solving its own problems.



You believed the lies very quickly.
This has nothing to do with wolwoo.
the gang tried to humiliate me with false claims about this.

The Turkish community does not consist of a few DT candidates.

All you care about is dominating the signature campaigns.
all of you were unaware of my existence.
until you apply for a Signature campaign One day.

The global forum community when time is come will exclude people like you.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 21, 2020, 04:33:25 PM
#61
I am a respected member in my local community.

Would that be the same community that respects wolwoo and praises Vispilio for diddling the trust system? I don't think this carries as much weight as you think it does. Respect inside the community won't mean much outside of it until the community starts solving its own problems.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1531
May 21, 2020, 04:03:34 PM
#60
I am a respected member in my local community.
you all tried to disrepute me for money.

You abuse the power that the community gives you.
Maybe my life is not enough to see justice.
but I know that, History and Community will not forgive those of you.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 21, 2020, 01:20:42 PM
#59
I know very well what it is to lose money.
Examine the flag.
Lauda and his gang can be as hostile to me as they want.
Unlike those in Lauda's gang, I am conscientious.
That's why, I can make a neutral decision on this flag.
The victimization of the users is obvious.
Cut the crap
you abused everything
what you could possible abuse
and then
you start sending those fake retaliation ratings
you supported fake flag
there is nothing neutral in that

calling other users a gang
but you
and your fwiends
act like a gang.

you left logic behind
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1531
May 21, 2020, 11:06:27 AM
#58
You either didn't read the referenced thread and supported the flag just because you don't like Lauda, or you don't understand what "high risk of losing money" means, both of which are good reasons for you to not be in DT.

I guess we need to thank cryptohunter for creating a flytrap for you guys. Any other disgruntled DT wannabes looking to settle their personal grudges via the trust system? Lets see if TECSHARE, patron saint of DT1 shithead guild will join in or will chicken out as usual.


I know very well what it is to lose money.
Examine the flag.
Lauda and his gang can be as hostile to me as they want.
Unlike those in Lauda's gang, I am conscientious.
That's why, I can make a neutral decision on this flag.
The victimization of the users is obvious.

legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 21, 2020, 10:25:04 AM
#57
The flag has nothing to do with your lies about it.
The flag is evaluated within itself.
By speculating, you are trying to make people believe in lies.
Please give up this unnecessary hostility.

You either didn't read the referenced thread and supported the flag just because you don't like Lauda, or you don't understand what "high risk of losing money" means, both of which are good reasons for you to not be in DT.

I guess we need to thank cryptohunter for creating a flytrap for you guys. Any other disgruntled DT wannabes looking to settle their personal grudges via the trust system? Lets see if TECSHARE, patron saint of DT1 shithead guild will join in or will chicken out as usual.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1531
May 21, 2020, 09:32:42 AM
#56
DT1 please consider excluding the users mentioned in the OP, and the users who are seeking to exact revenge via the creation and support of a frivolous flag.

The flag has nothing to do with your lies about it.
The flag is evaluated within itself.
By speculating, you are trying to make people believe in lies.
Please give up this unnecessary hostility.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 21, 2020, 09:29:36 AM
#55
also you mr.bastard won't talk about this trust abuser https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lafu-abusing-trust-system-5248906
for hide your fucking skin
Lafu is really cool, exposing malware and stuff...
DT1 please consider excluding the users mentioned in the OP, and the users who are seeking to exact revenge via the creation and support of a frivolous flag.
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Support: mhanbostanci, muslol67, hacker1001101001, bonesjonesreturns
Flag is opposed so no worries about it but members who supported such flag shouldn't be in system. I see that account muslol67 is not DT any more (he was DT earlier today or it has something to do with my trust settings  Undecided), troll and Bump are not DT anyway so only mhanbostanci left.

I will probably create another topic because of retaliatory negative I have received, I am breaking my head for few days and I have no idea what author of that feedback tried to say, I might ask in Bitcoin Technical Support about this input thingy Tongue
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
May 21, 2020, 07:12:55 AM
#54
DT1 please consider excluding the users mentioned in the OP, and the users who are seeking to exact revenge via the creation and support of a frivolous flag.

@Lauda

Sorry for the off topic
I am sorry too, I will not let peloso post anymore.  Undecided
legendary
Activity: 3178
Merit: 3295
May 20, 2020, 08:44:30 AM
#53
also you mr.bastard won't talk about this trust abuser https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lafu-abusing-trust-system-5248906
for hide your fucking skin

Never had and i never will , if i would abuse it  your Account and all your other playing buddys are would be already tagged !
Looks like you dont understand .

And the only Trust abuser are you here , you tried it an year ago sneaky and you failed .
Few weeks ago you tried it again on the hard pushing way with some others and failed again.

First you distrust all and a few days you trust all and few days laters after you got catched you distrust all again !
Sry mate grow up .

Back on Ignore again

@Lauda

Sorry for the off topic
legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 1187
May 19, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
#52


I won't even talk about including trust manipulator to his trust network last week and some other accounts, but I am glad that you at least agree on this part:
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merit/giveaway/trust/default trust abuser


also you mr.bastard won't talk about this trust abuser https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lafu-abusing-trust-system-5248906
for hide your fucking skin
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
May 17, 2020, 10:28:03 AM
#51
A senior computer scientist and academic
Given his frivolous and unethical behaviour, he seems to be a very dumb academic if he is one (see tag on JollyGood and the endless pool of alts). Roll Eyes

Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?
I think we need to add this to alt account bingo.
A senior computer scientist and academic likes to employ his students and nephew every once in a while on some errands / coding jobs for pay.
Can you try harder at making up stuff? Definitely worth a bingo update.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 17, 2020, 10:18:11 AM
#50
However he doesn't want his nephew to have access to the funds because he is a minor and he doesn't want him cashing out, buying drugs etc,

Right, and also posts from his nephew's account and pretends to have a deal with him. Such a great uncle.

mhanbostanci wouldn't agree!

mhanbostanci probably lied because we can't handle the truth.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 17, 2020, 10:15:16 AM
#49
However he doesn't want his nephew to have access to the funds because he is a minor and he doesn't want him cashing out, buying drugs etc,
That is definitely new excuse card.
THEREFORE he shares only a BTC address from his own wallet which his nephew can then use to receive payments on some of the jobs he is taking online.

mhanbostanci wouldn't agree!

when I realized that this account is my nephew,
I forbade him to use the forum. (He was 13 years old at the time.)

mhanbostanci wouldn't agree!

mhanbostanci probably lied because we can't handle the truth.
Maybe he lied to DragonDance as well?
full member
Activity: 127
Merit: 116
May 17, 2020, 10:09:56 AM
#48
to be part of a forum where proven criminals are playing the role of prosecutor, is probably the zenith of dystopia and totalitarian regimes,

however, even criminals deserve mercy, so I'll help terrorist ~lauda and her complicit DT apologists broaden their extremely limited intellect and worldviews:


ACQUITTING MHANBOSTANCI:

A senior computer scientist and academic likes to employ his students and nephew every once in a while on some errands / coding jobs for pay.

However he doesn't want his nephew to have access to the funds because he is a minor and he doesn't want him cashing out, buying drugs etc,

THEREFORE he shares only a BTC address from his own wallet which his nephew can then use to receive payments on some of the jobs he is taking online.

Riddle solved, I guarantee you ladies and gentlemen some of these DT cultists wouldn't be even offered a position at the counter on your local Burger joint...
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 17, 2020, 10:08:04 AM
#47
Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?

There are several possibilities that more than one person can use the same wallet.
Investment fons, laziness/indolence, lack of knowledge etc.

Ok, more lies and fantasies then. Let me know when you're ready to tell the truth and stand by it. This obfuscation shit is getting old.

legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 17, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
#46
There are several possibilities that more than one person can use the same wallet.
Investment fons, laziness/indolence, lack of knowledge etc.
And? What is the case here?

Now do the right thing and exclude this abuser and his alts.

I've never added Zz on my trust list, but I trust mhanbostanci. Therefore, he will continue to be on my trust list.
So you trust liar(your words) and abuser(my words)  Cool
Since this message has been deleted by Lauda, I will not reply on this matter. Also, i'm busy atm. I'm out of this topic now.
You replied to my post but you ignored important parts of it because Lauda removed your post Huh
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1291
May 17, 2020, 09:56:14 AM
#45
Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?

There are several possibilities that more than one person can use the same wallet.
Investment fons, laziness/indolence, lack of knowledge etc.

Now do the right thing and exclude this abuser and his alts.

I've never added Zz on my trust list, but I trust mhanbostanci. Therefore, he will continue to be on my trust list.
Since this message has been deleted by Lauda, I will not reply on this matter. Also, i'm busy atm. I'm out of this topic now.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 17, 2020, 09:48:50 AM
#44
merit/giveaway/trust/default trust abuser

I also have 2 eyes bro, how did he abuse the default trust system?
Seems you don't, you have loycev's trust viewer so you can check inclusions from both accounts. Here you go:

For account mhanbostanci http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h/434984.html and for account ZZ http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h/318348.html

merit/giveaway/trust/default trust abuser
Actually, it seems that you agree that accounts are alt accounts:
"So how right is it to find a connection between the Bitcoin addresses of users we dislike and forget about all their trustworthy backgrounds?"
Now do the right thing and exclude this abuser and his alts.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
May 17, 2020, 09:40:53 AM
#43
Stop going around in circles asking trivially deniable questions as the above. If the next post is another useless roundabout charade way of trying to defend the accused without any evidence, then it will be deleted.
Stop posting useless posts Blacknavy.

Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?
I think we need to add this to alt account bingo.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 17, 2020, 09:39:38 AM
#42
Maybe he had to lie because he knew you wouldn't believe him? There is always a possibility here.

Interesting, not sure if we had this excuse before. So to cover up what is already an unbelievable story he made up an even less believable lie? Yeah that sounds exactly like the type of person we want in DT  Grin

Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 17, 2020, 09:20:59 AM
#41
Maybe he had to lie because he knew you wouldn't believe him? There is always a possibility here.
Ok, so mhanbostanci sent PM and lied to iasenko because he knew I wouldn't believe him? And he has telepathic abilities and he knew iasenko would post it here and I will read it? Yeah, makes sense.

"So how right is it to find a connection between the Bitcoin addresses of users we dislike and forget about all their trustworthy backgrounds?"
Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about?

What is mhanbostanci still doing in DT, user is merit/giveaway/trust/default trust abuser and he is trying to convince people that blockchain proof is not solid one, which is malicious claim itself.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1291
May 17, 2020, 09:12:42 AM
#40
You should be tagged as somebody as a risk to deal with then.

Off-topic (lmao). Managing relative's investments isn't wrong. It is an investment pool.

Wrong. You think you know, but you actually have next to no idea which is a terrible character flaw.

I don't think so, I need to have technical English to be able to speak about such technical issues. I have insufficient English to express myself here, but I am aware of what it means.

And yet you find this as rock solid connection

There is not only address connection, but also personality similarity, spelling characteristics and registration dates are similar. In this case, there are 2 different characters. Also, off-topic.

We have here 2 signed messages from 2/4 addresses connected in one wallet while mhanbostanci claim it is not the same wallet and I have no reason to think that iasenko made this story.

Maybe he had to lie because he knew you wouldn't believe him? There is always a possibility here.

"So how right is it to find a connection between the Bitcoin addresses of users we dislike and forget about all their trustworthy backgrounds?"
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 17, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
#39
And yet you find this as rock solid connection https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53689508

Many investments of my relatives are in my hardware wallet
ekhem...
those signatures belong to different wallets.
We have here 2 signed messages from 2/4 addresses connected in one wallet while mhanbostanci claim it is not the same wallet and I have no reason to think that iasenko made this story.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
May 17, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
#38
I'm not using different path with my relatives.
You should be tagged as somebody as a risk to deal with then. You should never ever use crypto in the way that you are.

Maybe was he using Electrum?
No.

I know what is derivation path.
Wrong. You think you know, but you actually have next to no idea which is a terrible character flaw.


Stop going around in circles asking trivially deniable questions as the above. If the next post is another useless roundabout charade way of trying to defend the accused without any evidence, then it will be deleted.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1291
May 17, 2020, 08:58:16 AM
#37
If there is 2 UTXO in the same Bitcoin wallet, why not?
Welcome to a new concept for your very limited knowledge about Bitcoin: Accounts in HD wallets (No, not the old accounts system from Bitcoin Core). See: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0032 or https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#Specification_Wallet_structure.




Hardware wallets have accounts trivially built in. If you accept deposits in m/0 for relative 1, and you use m/1 for your own money, then you will not be able to create a TX linking UTXOs from both accounts.

I'm not using different path with my relatives. Maybe was he using Electrum?

Saniye de 10, 100, 200 milyon gibi private keyleri bulacağını iddia eden yazılımlar var. Uçuk bir teori. İnsanın ömrü yetmiyor bir kere. Ne kadar başarılı olacağından söz etmiyorum. Konu o değil. Seed keyin bulunması zaten zor.

1- Direkt düz mantık olarak gidelim. Örneğin, Ledger cüzdanımıza ait erişim anahtarı (seed key) bu program ile bulundu. Direkt çalacak olan kişi kendi cüzdanına çekebilir mi?

Yoksa ledger buna izin vermiyor ve o usb cihazın illa ki pc ye takılı olması mı gerekiyor, bu şekilde mi ancak transfer işlemleri başlayacak?

2- Ledger bize bitcoin adresinin 50 küsür basamaklı erişim anahtarını veriyor mu? İkincisi seed key olarak değil örneğin 52 basamaklı private key bitcoin adresini herhangi bir yazılım buldu. O erişim anahtarını electrum, blockchain vs aktarmasına ledger engel olacak mı?

----------------

Ledgerin yerinde olsam ingilizce karakterlerin yer aldığı o kelimeleri bizlerin oluşturmasına izin verirdim. türkçe, ispanyolca, çince neyse kısaca latin alfabesi içeren kelimeleri biz oluşturacağız ki iyice zorluk artsın. Chrome tarayıcıdan biz kelimeleri yazarız ve cihazın bu kelimeler ile cüzdan oluşturmasını kastediyorum. Çünkü bu kelimeler sözlük de yer alıyor. Şu anda değil ama gelecekte belki quantum bilgisayarlar ile zor anlar yaşayacağız.

Her cüzdanın kendine ait bir derivation path'ı vardır.
Seed'i bulan kişinin aynı zamanda senin cüzdanının pathini bulması gerekir. (Ledger farklı path kullanır, MEW farklı kullanır vsvs.)
Piyasada en çok kullanılan cüzdanların pathlerini deneyerek/otomatik bir yazılımla Ledger'e ihtiyaç duymadan çok kolay bir şekilde kripto paralarına ulaşabilirsin.

Ledger sana hiçbir şey vermiyor ama sahip olduğun 12/24 kelime ile her adresin 'tek tek' private keylerine bip39 üzerinden erişebiliyorsun ama Ledger'i güvenli kılan bu private keylerin dışarı çıkartılmamış olması.. Yani böyle aksiyonlara zor durumda kalmadıkça gerek yok. Ledger hiçbir şeye engel olamaz sadece bir cüzdan ve arayüzdür. Her şey blockchain içerisindedir, private key kimde ise cüzdan sahibi odur.

I know what is derivation path.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
May 17, 2020, 08:57:31 AM
#36
If there is 2 UTXO in the same Bitcoin wallet, why not?
Welcome to a new concept for your very limited knowledge about Bitcoin: Accounts in HD wallets (No, not the old accounts system from Bitcoin Core). See: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0032 or https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#Specification_Wallet_structure.




Hardware wallets have accounts trivially built in. If you accept deposits in m/0 for relative 1, and you use m/1 for your own money, then you will not be able to create a TX linking UTXOs from both accounts (m/0 and m/1). Not that you should ever pool coins from anyone.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1291
May 17, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
#35
Blacknavy: I like Doge. It is raising now, aunt X, please send me a USDT address. Do you have an exchange account that you can buy Doge?
Aunt X: Kraken.
Blacknavy: I'll send you USDT to buy it.
Aunt X: I wrote the USDT address to your Telegram.

If there is a connection between my aunt's USDT address and my USDT address, does that mean that my aunt and I are the same person?

I don't know if you're really that dumb or just being deliberately obtuse.

This topic is not merely about a "connection" between two addresses, e.g. funds sent between them like in your little story above. mhanbostanci's addresses are linked as inputs to the same transaction, meaning the same person has control of their private keys. There are some other highly unlikely possibilities but it's safe to ignore them seeing how the only counter-arguments (if you can call them that) so far are focused on the "friends and family" excuse and on dismissing blockchain evidence altogether.
There's someone stupid here, I think it's you who try to twist my messages. Many investments of my relatives are in my hardware wallet (one seed includes milllion addresses in a same wallet as you already know). Have you managed any funds in your life? Do you know what a fund pool means, what does it mean? Or are you only interested in signature campaigns?
If you use the same accounts on the same hardware wallets for many of your relatives then you deserve to be tagged for stupidity sake and to warn others that dealing with you is a risk. Roll Eyes The same hardware wallet, being used with multiple accounts (1 account 1 relative, as it was designed to be) and used by relatives can never create a transaction like the one that OP and his alt did.

Do you really think you understand wallets better than I do? Facepalm.

If there are 2 UTXO in the same Bitcoin wallet, why not?
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
May 17, 2020, 08:50:38 AM
#34
Blacknavy: I like Doge. It is raising now, aunt X, please send me a USDT address. Do you have an exchange account that you can buy Doge?
Aunt X: Kraken.
Blacknavy: I'll send you USDT to buy it.
Aunt X: I wrote the USDT address to your Telegram.

If there is a connection between my aunt's USDT address and my USDT address, does that mean that my aunt and I are the same person?

I don't know if you're really that dumb or just being deliberately obtuse.

This topic is not merely about a "connection" between two addresses, e.g. funds sent between them like in your little story above. mhanbostanci's addresses are linked as inputs to the same transaction, meaning the same person has control of their private keys. There are some other highly unlikely possibilities but it's safe to ignore them seeing how the only counter-arguments (if you can call them that) so far are focused on the "friends and family" excuse and on dismissing blockchain evidence altogether.
There's someone stupid here, I think it's you who try to twist my messages. Many investments of my relatives are in my hardware wallet (one seed includes milllion addresses in a same wallet as you already know). Have you managed any funds in your life? Do you know what a fund pool means, what does it mean? Or are you only interested in signature campaigns?
If you use the same accounts on the same hardware wallets for many of your relatives then you deserve to be tagged for stupidity sake and to warn others that dealing with you is a risk. Roll Eyes The same hardware wallet, being used with multiple accounts (1 account 1 relative, as it was designed to be) and used by an 10 000 relatives would never create a transaction like the one that OP and his alt did.

Do you really think you understand wallets better than I do? Facepalm. Was this situation the reverse, and the thread was Lauda & some other account you would be fighting to the death, given the same evidence, to prove it was indeed an alt. Time to stop lying, and time to stop defending abusers.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1291
May 17, 2020, 08:43:59 AM
#33
Blacknavy: I like Doge. It is raising now, aunt X, please send me a USDT address. Do you have an exchange account that you can buy Doge?
Aunt X: Kraken.
Blacknavy: I'll send you USDT to buy it.
Aunt X: I wrote the USDT address to your Telegram.

If there is a connection between my aunt's USDT address and my USDT address, does that mean that my aunt and I are the same person?

I don't know if you're really that dumb or just being deliberately obtuse.

This topic is not merely about a "connection" between two addresses, e.g. funds sent between them like in your little story above. mhanbostanci's addresses are linked as inputs to the same transaction, meaning the same person has control of their private keys. There are some other highly unlikely possibilities but it's safe to ignore them seeing how the only counter-arguments (if you can call them that) so far are focused on the "friends and family" excuse and on dismissing blockchain evidence altogether.

There's someone stupid here, I think it's you who try to twist my messages. Many investments of my relatives are in my hardware wallet (one seed includes milllion addresses in the same wallet as you already know). Have you managed any funds in your life? Do you know what a fund pool means, what does it mean? Or are you only interested in signature campaigns?
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 17, 2020, 08:39:01 AM
#32
Blacknavy: I like Doge. It is raising now, aunt X, please send me a USDT address. Do you have an exchange account that you can buy Doge?
Aunt X: Kraken.
Blacknavy: I'll send you USDT to buy it.
Aunt X: I wrote the USDT address to your Telegram.

If there is a connection between my aunt's USDT address and my USDT address, does that mean that my aunt and I are the same person?

I don't know if you're really that dumb or just being deliberately obtuse.

This topic is not merely about a "connection" between two addresses, e.g. funds sent between them like in your little story above. mhanbostanci's addresses are linked as inputs to the same transaction, meaning the same person has control of their private keys. There are some other highly unlikely possibilities but it's safe to ignore them seeing how the only counter-arguments (if you can call them that) so far are focused on the "friends and family" excuse and on dismissing blockchain evidence altogether.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1291
May 17, 2020, 08:10:00 AM
#31
I wrote this (it was deleted by La):

Quote
Zz is a college student, and mhanbostanci is an adult. Both are known by forum members.
I write on one of my accounts that I am Atatürk, and in other alt account I write that I am Nietzsche. They get connected to via wallet evidence using chain analysis tools. Will you say that this is definite proof that the other is not my alt account? You believe every word these two monkeys write and take it as evidence, while doing the opposite with people who you do not like (not even for valid reasons). Stupidity at its finest.

Skipping some possibilities is also stupid.

For example; as can be seen below, besides my own investments, I also manage the investments of my brother, mother, aunt and uncle.

26 May 2019 [IMG1]
Blacknavy: Aunt X, if I sell them now it costs 5000 Euros. When the Stex exchange opened for testing, the price jumped up to $0.7 then the trade closed. Token will be on the new exchange soon. If it is $0.2, the market cap is only 13.5 million. Instead of selling, you should stake them.
Aunt: You know. The decision is yours.
Blacknavy: The price may increase when it listed a good exchange. If you want me to sell my uncle's share, I will sell it.

3 April 2019 [IMG2]
Blacknavy: I like Doge. It is raising now, aunt X, please send me a USDT address. Do you have an exchange account that you can buy Doge?
Aunt X: Kraken.
Blacknavy: I'll send you USDT to buy it.
Aunt X: I wrote the USDT address to your Telegram.

If there is a connection between my aunt's USDT address and my USDT address, does that mean that my aunt and I are the same person? It is known to everyone that Bitcoin has grown via word of mouth. Many relatives and friends became members of this forum and invested in Bitcoin as a result of my recommendations [IMG3] [IMG4]. So how right is it to find a connection between the Bitcoin addresses of users we dislike and forget about all their trustworthy backgrounds and fuck them? Who is making up these ridiculous fake-rules? Case1, Case2, Case-million because we created a trust list (as Theymos recommended) and applied for some high-paying signatures? If you have a right to do this, why don't we have a right? This hypocritical behavior was the biggest proof that most default trust members are actually untrustworthy. It is very easy to become a default trust member, only 10 users need to trust someone, and there is no need to do grouping to do this. You just don't want users who do not respect current authority to be default trust member. There is no racism directly against the Turks here, you all have various reasons to give distrust/red trust. Some of them are racist attacks (The behavior of many default trust members are embarrassing and humiliating themselves. I'm saying this as a national socialist.), and some users trying to save their fake-authority. We don't care whether you or anyone else loves the Turks, but we know that the deliberate defamations against us are also ignored by many default trust members because we created a trust list.

Here is the real problem: the dirty tactics the fake and corrupt DT cult employs to control who gets to make any money on this forum.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2970
Terminated.
May 17, 2020, 05:55:24 AM
#30
I wrote this (it was deleted by La):

Quote
Zz is a college student, and mhanbostanci is an adult. Both are known by forum members.
I write on one of my accounts that I am Atatürk, and in other alt account I write that I am Nietzsche. They get connected to via wallet evidence using chain analysis tools. Will you say that this is definite proof that the other is not my alt account? You believe every word these two monkeys write and take it as evidence, while doing the opposite with people who you do not like (not even for valid reasons). Stupidity at its finest.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
May 16, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
#29
~
Do you agree with blockchain connection https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54430075 ?

Seems mhanbostanci can't decide which feedback to use:



I am still trying to figure out "slander" and "controversial data" parts.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
May 15, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
#28
Self-moderating has its issues. The major one being that then people can easily obfuscate and behave like they have been wronged which implies they were "righteous" in the first place and the "authorities" fear their truth, whatever it was.
Bu konuya ilk mesaji ben attim ve savundum ancak La tarafindan mesajim silindi. Yani doğru savunma yapanlarin mesajini silip, yanlis savunma yapacak olanlarin uzerinden saldiri yapacak ve kendilerini hakli çikartacaklar. Karsi taraf manipulasyon uzmani..

Translation:
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I posted and defended the first post on this subject but my message was deleted by La. In other words, they will delete the message of the righteous defenders, attack those who will make the wrong defense, and justify themselves. Counterparty manipulation specialist.
He is not the accused, and thus his stories are of no concern of me. If he can provide evidence for his claim, then he can post and it will remain where it is.

There are plenty of other people here chiming in who are "not the accused" either, but they agree with you, so they count right?
legendary
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May 15, 2020, 02:59:39 PM
#27
You talk about the importance of staying anonymous but trying to reveal users's personal information by digging Bitcoin addresses

It's pretty much the opposite. Bitcoin transactions are public but don't reveal personal information. All this "digging" shows is that multiple addresses are controlled by the same person but doesn't show anything specific about that person. Unless by "personal information" you mean sockpuppeting, which is what's going on here. Sockpuppeting, attempting to do a fake trade, getting busted, lying about it - such a trustworthy person you all decided to put into DT1.
legendary
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May 15, 2020, 01:49:24 PM
#26
Self-moderating has its issues. The major one being that then people can easily obfuscate and behave like they have been wronged which implies they were "righteous" in the first place and the "authorities" fear their truth, whatever it was.
Bu konuya ilk mesaji ben attim ve savundum ancak La tarafindan mesajim silindi. Yani doğru savunma yapanlarin mesajini silip, yanlis savunma yapacak olanlarin uzerinden saldiri yapacak ve kendilerini hakli çikartacaklar. Karsi taraf manipulasyon uzmani..

Translation:
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I posted and defended the first post on this subject but my message was deleted by La. In other words, they will delete the message of the righteous defenders, attack those who will make the wrong defense, and justify themselves. Counterparty manipulation specialist.
He is not the accused, and thus his stories are of no concern of me. If he can provide evidence for his claim, then he can post and it will remain where it is.

I wrote this (it was deleted by La):

Tüf Tüf nedir? diye bilmeyen arkadaşlar için : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYvHbYmhOC0
yaş 41 hocam, yaşımız geçti artık. Kağıt ile daha güzel olur hem.
Biri bana 2 side arkadaşlara bulursak oda.. olmadı pazartesi salı sipariş edeceğim.
Bu arada uçlar kalemden daha pahalı.

I'm 41 years old (I'll not write which company that he works for).



Zz:
.
.
ürünü fabrika çıkış fiyatına alıp, ucuz elektrik kullanır, bekletir boğa piyasasın da satarsanız 18 ay olur size 4 - 5 ay.
.
.

Ütopik şartlar altında kar mümkün yani. Smiley Türkiye'de olup fabrika çıkış fiyatından miner alabilen yoktur.
Zaten fabrika çıkış fiyatından miner alabilen kişi Türkiye'de ne yapsın? Bu işi daha makul bir ülkede yapıyordur.


Kendi madencilik tecrübemi paylaşayım.
Bir kaç kişi birleşerek yılbaşı harçlıklarını birleştirerek güzel bir ekran kartı aldık yurt dışından. 1500 TL ye mal olmuştu bize.
Şubat 2017 de okullar tatil olunca arkadaşların evdeki hurda PC parçalarından bir sistem topladık.
Biz monero kazmaya başladığımızda Monero 13$ idi. üstelik sistemi evinde tutacak arkadaş biraz mal olduğundan işi minergate ile yaptık.
minergate ile cpu + gpu toplam 650 H/s basıyordu sistem. o zamanki zorluk ile ayda 0.125 monero kazıyordu yaklaşık.
rigi evinde barındıran arkadaşım elektrik maliyetini ders çalışarak iyi bir birey olarak ödedi.

1 yılın sonunda elimizde yaklaşık 2 monero vardı yaklaşık. 400 doların üstüne çıkınca satalım amk moduna girdi arkadaşlar.
biz satana kadar 370 dolara düşmüştü. komisyondu btc/usd/tl dönüşümü derken 700 dolar karşılığı  2600 TL dönmüş oldu.
bu sene şubat tatilinde parayı ezdik.

We built a PC at February 2017 with school friends when the schools were on holiday.

Bilal Bey,
Bitcoin tamam da,

oyun parası ticareti kazandırıyor mu? çünkü Etherium şu oyunun  http://etherium-thegame.com/ kendi içinde dağıttığı oyun parası benim bildiğim.

Ha siz Ethereum alıp satıp ama daha ismini yazamıyorsanız. size değil elimdeki Bitcoin veya Ethereum u günahımı bile satmam.

 Grin Grin

 http://etherium-thegame.com burayı nereden buldunuz, oyun için paranın etherium olduğunu nereden öğrendiniz hocam:))

Oyun sever bir insanım. Smiley
Daha okulda açılmadı. Araştırıp didiklemeyi seviyorum.

The school hasn't started yet.

Ayrımı yapamayan bir kitle olduğu gerçek ama.
Dün okulda matematik öğretmeni ile tartıştık. Bitcoin zinciri dedi bir kaç defa. Dedim o blok zinciri o! (öğren de gel atarı yaptım yani) pek bozuldu. Smiley
Bence de tartışılacak bir konu değil bu.

Nedense aklıma GNU nun açılımı geldi : Gnu Not Unix
https://tr.0wikipedia.org/index.php?q=aHR0cHM6Ly90ci53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvR05V

We discussed about Bitcoin with the math teacher at school yesterday.

It is known by the community that both users are different person.



Nobody has to explain whether they really know someone in the forum or if they have a relative. You talk about the importance of staying anonymous but trying to reveal users's personal information by digging Bitcoin addresses (lmao). Bitcoin is an P2P Electronic Cash System, it's very funny to try to detect the connections between users' Bitcoin addresses. Satoshi would spit on your face if he saw that.

As a few clowns, you continue to make forum members laugh (there is not a race card, but is the CLOWN CAR.)

DT gangs are driving into the high-paid sig campaings.
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May 15, 2020, 11:36:47 AM
#25
Self-moderating has its issues. The major one being that then people can easily obfuscate and behave like they have been wronged which implies they were "righteous" in the first place and the "authorities" fear their truth, whatever it was.
Bu konuya ilk mesaji ben attim ve savundum ancak La tarafindan mesajim silindi. Yani doğru savunma yapanlarin mesajini silip, yanlis savunma yapacak olanlarin uzerinden saldiri yapacak ve kendilerini hakli çikartacaklar. Karsi taraf manipulasyon uzmani..

Translation:
Quote
I posted and defended the first post on this subject but my message was deleted by La. In other words, they will delete the message of the righteous defenders, attack those who will make the wrong defense, and justify themselves. Counterparty manipulation specialist.
He is not the accused, and thus his stories are of no concern of me. If he can provide evidence for his claim, then he can post and it will remain where it is.
legendary
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May 15, 2020, 07:15:18 AM
#24
Self-moderating has its issues. The major one being that then people can easily obfuscate and behave like they have been wronged which implies they were "righteous" in the first place and the "authorities" fear their truth, whatever it was.
Bu konuya ilk mesaji ben attim ve savundum ancak La tarafindan mesajim silindi. Yani doğru savunma yapanlarin mesajini silip, yanlis savunma yapacak olanlarin uzerinden saldiri yapacak ve kendilerini hakli çikartacaklar. Karsi taraf manipulasyon uzmani..

Translation:
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I posted and defended the first post on this subject but my message was deleted by La. In other words, they will delete the message of the righteous defenders, attack those who will make the wrong defense, and justify themselves. Counterparty manipulation specialist.


legendary
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May 14, 2020, 05:24:16 PM
#23
Weird how all of these endless accusations against anyone even mildly related to any Turkish members need to be self moderated all of a sudden. It is almost like the posters aren't at all willing to have an open discussion about it and instead prefer to erase anyone who disagrees with their opinions or makes any valid points in order to give the impression everyone is in agreement.

Let's try it - post some valid on topic points and we'll see what happens. You can always re-post it in a REEEEE thread if the evil cat deletes it.
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May 14, 2020, 04:08:34 PM
#22
Weird how all of these endless accusations against anyone even mildly related to any Turkish members need to be self moderated all of a sudden. It is almost like the posters aren't at all willing to have an open discussion about it and instead prefer to erase anyone who disagrees with their opinions or makes any valid points in order to give the impression everyone is in agreement.
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May 14, 2020, 03:11:09 PM
#21
This caught my attention:

these pages try to associate bitcoin addresses that are traded between them. The information they provide is not precise. Transactions between those addresses does not indicate that those addresses are the same wallet.
they claim that these addresses are generated from the same wallet.
The way to prove that it is produced from the same private key is to run SHA256 in reverse. this is not possible.
lauda and her followers prefer to assume that they are the same wallet.

To the contrary.  When properly applied, blockchain heuristics are frighteningly precise.  With the relatively simple-looking transactions shown in this thread, the only ways that the heuristics generally will give a false positive in connecting addresses are if evidence is misinterpreted as to an unusual exchange wallet, or if people are taking sophisticated active measures to confuse the heuristics (something that I know because I am studying how best to do this).  Obviously, neither of those is the case here.

mhanbostanci admits that the accounts are somehow related to him.  In my technical opinion, the blockchain evidence is very strong—and the blockchain evidence contradicts mhanbostanci’s story.  When the evidence is considered in its totality, it clearly demonstrates that the accounts are (or at pertinent times, have been) controlled by the same individual.

But worst of all is mhanbostanci’s attempt to blow smoke with technical jargon, whereas he is not even sufficiently knowledgeable to make up convincing nonsense.  At the portion that I have highlighted, I almost suspect that mhanbostanci read and misinterpreted my recent post on this subject.  Of course, two different addresses for the same script type cannot be produced from the same Bitcoin private key (!); and inverting SHA256 is irrelevant to inverting HMAC-SHA512 and somehow separating the tweak from the EC public key exposed on the blockchain (the latter part of which I did not mention in that other post, because it seemed irrelevant in the context).

When he gets to the point of claiming that blockchain evidence is unreliable because you can’t invert SHA256, mhanbostanci is clearly just making stuff up as he goes along.


Yes.  Case in point:  mhanbostanci.


Yes.  Case in point:  mhanbostanci.




Re self-mod:  Nothing that I have ever seen from Lauda gives even the slightest hint that she would unfairly prevent an accused individual from speaking in his own defence in a thread against him.  Whereas if this thread were not self-moderated, I expect that it would be already on page 3 with mostly troll gibberish and garbage insults.

Despite my general reluctance to post in self-moderated threads where I do not know OP’s policy or whether my post may be unexpected deleted, the case for self-mod here should be quite clear to anybody who has followed all the time-wasting idiot-drama on other threads.

The accused members are free to post fully and whenever they want to. Self-mod is not for me to take away the power of the accused to defend themselves, but to protect myself from the usual trolls.



The big problem here:

Reminder, all three accounts are apparently in DT2.
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
#20
He has a point. [...]
The accused members are free to post fully and whenever they want to. Self-mod is not for me to take away the power of the accused to defend themselves, but to protect myself from the usual trolls.

Valid point.

Another thing attracted my attention.

Some of these guys keep telling that everybody in the Global forum and participate in the chipmixer campaign are multi accounters. This statement has been being pushed several times and in several topics. They keep telling it again and again yet of course can't provide a single evidence.

Yet... timelord, lauda and others keep busting these morons' alt accounts day and night.


Being half smart... Worse than being dumb.
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
#19
He has a point. [...]
The accused members are free to post fully and whenever they want to. Self-mod is not for me to take away the power of the accused to defend themselves, but to protect myself from the usual trolls.
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
#18

I don't see anything stopping mhanbostanci from posteing an answer here.
I request Lauda to not moderate posts from the accused ones that are not off topic.


He has a point. I recently made the mistake of posting in a self moderated thread without knowing and It drove me nuts getting all my posts deleted.

I don't **usually** post in any self mod threads neither.

Tbh, theymos should remove that shit.
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 11:41:11 AM
#17
altcoin_trader
was once my nephew's account.
when I realized that this account is my nephew,
I forbade him to use the forum. (He was 13 years old at the time.)
You forbid your nephew to use this forum? Wait, you forbid your nephew to make monez online? GTFO LOL!

Please scroll up and elaborate connected addresses from different wallets, I am in a good mood today and I want to hear more "dog ate my homework" excuses  Grin
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 11:39:10 AM
#16
when I realized that this account is my nephew,
I forbade him to use the forum. (He was 13 years old at the time.)

Did the nephew also use your Bitcoin wallet without your knowledge? And the Linux student too. Makes no sense.
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 11:18:10 AM
#15
Dear forum members,

I do not deny anything. I write openly.
I know these account holders.
altcoin_trader was once my nephew's account.
Zz  is a student I teach Linux system administration.
Everybody knows this in Turkish forum.

altcoin_trader
was once my nephew's account.
when I realized that this account is my nephew,
I forbade him to use the forum. (He was 13 years old at the time.)
This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret. You can query this situation from Turkish users you know.
my nephew did not use the account again. (Maybe it sold, I don't know.)

In a nutshell,
These accounts belong to different people I know.
these accounts are not my sub-accounts.

lauda and her gang may think they want.

yours sincerely,

mhanbostanci
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 09:25:34 AM
#14
I do not know how I missed that before. Not commenting on the linked thread from 2015, the wallet connection seems very solid. Opinions?
There is no doubt between: altcoin_trader & mhanbostanci, they are one-person Alt accounts.
Transaction ever sent.

Archive: http://archive.is/wip/GbxHf
Archive: http://archive.is/wip/2n90a



TX; https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/c40a15b4226b52f48fe3233d95f5e489312f74f8fa35f1c31b65bf0fcd4970de

The address that both of them use.

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altcoin_trader
1JZYPRKap4hTQm9dQQMWhWeivkSo5Y1iUT

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mhanbostanci
1mhandh8J4uJx18sHhgeBJWZLKxMnuqGv

Nothing is 'not' solid, they are very accurate Alt Accounts.
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May 14, 2020, 09:21:33 AM
#13
I would prefer to continue the conversation here instead of in PMs but... Let's try again to have a normal discussion.

The lie is the biggest sin.
Really, does he think he is the smart user around here and everyone else is stupid?

legendary
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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(
May 14, 2020, 09:17:39 AM
#12
I would prefer to continue the conversation here instead of in PMs but... Let's try again to have a normal discussion.

those signatures belong to different wallets.
they just assume it can be the same wallet.
and you believe!

I don't beleive in words,I check myself and this is what I saw > https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/77c871196035420a/addresses



these pages try to associate bitcoin addresses that are traded between them. The information they provide is not precise. Transactions between those addresses does not indicate that those addresses are the same wallet.
they claim that these addresses are generated from the same wallet.
The way to prove that it is produced from the same private key is to run SHA256 in reverse. this is not possible.
lauda and her followers prefer to assume that they are the same wallet.


ignorance is bad.
The lie is the biggest sin.
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May 14, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
#11
Does mhanbostanci or the other accused came with explanation or anything, except this info they left in the negative feedback?
The signed message is pretty strong evidence, you can't go around.

I got a PM from mhanbostanci, quoting below:

-snip

I don't see anything stopping mhanbostanci from posteing an answer here.
I request Lauda to not moderate posts from the accused ones that are not off topic.
The accused members are free to post fully and whenever they want to. Self-mod is not for me to take away the power of the accused to defend themselves, but to protect myself from the usual trolls.


Reminder, all three accounts are apparently in DT2.
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
#10
I got another PM, I'm posting them here, because I want everything to be cristalclear.

those signatures belong to different wallets.
they just assume it can be the same wallet.
and you believe!


I wonder which "different wallet" does this:



https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/cf3ea5bed78e14832d4e43665a607712c72e026edff0f256420e5e28c3c7defd

 Cheesy

What is mhanbostanci still doing in DT, user is merit/giveaway/trust/default trust abuser and he is trying to convince people that blockchain proof is not solid one, which is malicious claim itself.

edit

Oh, more retaliations via trust:




edit 2 This address is snipped in quoted post, but timelord mentioned it:
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#Join
Bitcointalk username: mhanbostanci
Telegram username: mhanbostanci
ETH address: 0xe011B678b2aD9bC8C39c1e5B7A9f32CCF7A300a4
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29226783

The same address is here https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zz-318348 , so eth and btc connection

legendary
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May 14, 2020, 08:04:08 AM
#9
Does mhanbostanci or the other accused came with explanation or anything, except this info they left in the negative feedback?
The signed message is pretty strong evidence, you can't go around.

In the Turkish thread from 2015 mhanbostanci claimed that one of those accounts belongs to a relative, they shared a computer, and accidentally posted from the relative's account. Unfortunately in some other thread mhanbostanci also pretended to not know the alleged relative and even attempted to do a lending deal with said relative. A classic busted sockpuppet story.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mhanbostanci-altcointrader-split-from-yeni-ckan-cryptolar-frsatlar-1247502

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/50mbtc-borc-datlacaktr-10-1-hafta-faiz-ile-1206095
legendary
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May 14, 2020, 06:13:35 AM
#8
Does mhanbostanci or the other accused came with explanation or anything, except this info they left in the negative feedback?
The signed message is pretty strong evidence, you can't go around.


I got a PM from mhanbostanci, quoting below:

I said I would say about this.
there is nothing to defend.
Do not comment without knowing the original thing.
zz and altcoin_trader are different people I know personally.  This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret.
You can query this situation from Turkish users you know.
also, this thread self moderated. therefore,
I can't write an answer.

I don't see anything stopping mhanbostanci from posteing an answer here.
I request Lauda to not moderate posts from the accused ones that are not off topic.

I got another PM, I'm posting them here, because I want everything to be cristalclear.

those signatures belong to different wallets.
they just assume it can be the same wallet.
and you believe!

Then mhanbostanci, please explain that link > https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/77c871196035420a/addresses
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/77c871196035420a/addresses
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May 14, 2020, 03:56:45 AM
#7
The user mhanbostanci has left me the following rating:

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mhanbostanci    2020-05-11   Reference   
The real reason for the negative feedback he gave me is that he is a Turkish enemy. In this regard, the flag was opened and the subject was discussed. zz and altcoin_trader are different people I know personally. This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret.
You are hostile to people you don't know.
Lauda, this crypto-era version of Vlad the Impaler, is now an official enemy of the baboons. If they will ever catch you they might impale you lol.

Being serious now, I see that things escalated a lot since wolwoo's revolutionary topic and I think we'll see more and more Turks involved in this war. Whatever their purpose is, I think none of them should have official positions on the forum anymore, no matter if we talk about being a mod on Turkish section, DT member or merit source.
Ironic how all the claims of abuse always end up showing the true motives behind the accusers. To be called an abuser of trust, and then to get tagged by the same people for "racism".  Roll Eyes Reminder: Turkey / Turkish people =/= race. The accounts mentioned in the OP mutually added themselves into DT2 via Vispilio and others.
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May 13, 2020, 03:32:23 AM
#6
The user mhanbostanci has left me the following rating:

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mhanbostanci    2020-05-11   Reference   
The real reason for the negative feedback he gave me is that he is a Turkish enemy. In this regard, the flag was opened and the subject was discussed. zz and altcoin_trader are different people I know personally. This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret.
You are hostile to people you don't know.

Lauda, this crypto-era version of Vlad the Impaler, is now an official enemy of the baboons. If they will ever catch you they might impale you lol.

Being serious now, I see that things escalated a lot since wolwoo's revolutionary topic and I think we'll see more and more Turks involved in this war. Whatever their purpose is, I think none of them should have official positions on the forum anymore, no matter if we talk about being a mod on Turkish section, DT member or merit source.
legendary
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May 12, 2020, 11:36:20 PM
#5
There is signed message in that post, you know...
LOL indeed.

And looks like the alt farm was busted a long time ago here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mhanbostanci-altcointrader-split-from-yeni-ckan-cryptolar-frsatlar-1247502
Added that part too, an error on my side to snip out too much of the post.
legendary
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May 12, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
#4
There is signed message in that post, you know...

LOL indeed.

And looks like the alt farm was busted a long time ago here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mhanbostanci-altcointrader-split-from-yeni-ckan-cryptolar-frsatlar-1247502
legendary
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May 12, 2020, 02:55:21 PM
#3
If the wallet doesn't belong to a shared service like an exchange
There is signed message in that post, you know...I could probably check loyceV's trust viewer to see this user's trust inclusion and bpip.org for merit transactions:



Do I need to examine loycev's trust viewer?  Smiley

Edit: I countered both feedback on timelord's and lauda's profile for now and left few -ve, I hope this will be resolved within DT1 system, @lauda, can you edit topic with "for DT1 members:....."?

Of course, I am expecting retaliatory "you are racist" -ve  Cheesy

Edit2: as for counter on timelord's profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54442708
legendary
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May 12, 2020, 02:34:56 PM
#2
I do not know how I missed that before. Not commenting on the linked thread from 2015, the wallet connection seems very solid. Opinions?

If the wallet doesn't belong to a shared service like an exchange (doesn't seem so) then the connection is solid. I haven't looked at the bounty abuse part of it.

Did mhanbostanci provide any excuse as to how "different people" used the same wallet?
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