Topic: For how much money heroes and legends are willing to advertise fraud and scam? (Read 1661 times)

Yes!
For anyone doing at least basic research about Sinbad.io, it's been easy to spot how fraudulent Sinbad.io was: Sinbad.io was a re-launch of Blender, a famous mixer operated by criminals: Crypto mixer Blender has been rebranded to Sinbad, says Elliptic: https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-mixer-blender-has-been-rebranded-to-sinbad-says-elliptic

Have centralized mixers = get shady operators behind it
For Sindbad.io = operators wanted to wash own coins from crimes and hacks, get clean funds from Bitcointalk for mixing.
Sindbad.io operators abused Bitcointalk to have fresh funds for mixing criminal coins.

Sindbad.io operators are SCUM!

Everything governments say it's illegal or scam must be bad, right?  Right??
So let's say if one day government say that Bitcoin is illegal, or walking in the street is illegal and not safe, or using cash is bad and spread disease, you will have to think for yourself before accepting this.
First they introduce concept of ''dirty'' and ''clean'' bitcoins, people accept it, and than circus show is ready to start.
You can use this formula for anything else, just replace word 'bitcoin'' with something else.

I wonder why you just centered on the Hero and Legendary category?
Do you have anything against those in that rank or it’s just you taking insights out of the little you’ve seen.

Heros and Legendary are about the few ranks that gives a lot of credibility to their name and reputation on the forum. You might not find a beginner (Newbie - Jr. Member - Member and even Full Member) coming back to try and recover there accounts in events that might result in it being inaccessible but, you would easily find the Hero and Legendary categories not giving up on there account so easily.

This speaks of the years or attachment and the reputation you’ve built in a user. It becomes you, even though it’s just on Bitcointalk.

Yeah, there are situations where you could find a hand full of users making meaningless of there ranks but, these are mainly hacked accounts, accounts that have changed hands and accounts that were not really built over time with the existence of the merit system. It’s just business for these persons and they really get what they deserve forum-wise.

It's a grey area, they can both be bad and good at the same time, if you are going to say they are all bad, then think again, what are they actually doing? Mixers are considered a Bitcoin service, if you are against a Bitcoin service then you are against Bitcoin. But please save us the morality lessons. Because guess what? Most people here don't even know what STOLEN means. Guess again, they are mostly alt accounts of a group with mental issues.😉

It was clear when the government started going after mixers that they were not only unsafe to use, but also were considered illegal. People here defended the illegal operations because they were getting a couple hundred bucks per week, claiming it is about privacy and not them getting easy money. I imagine once the ban is in place and these people find other sponsors suddenly they’ll have a change of heart and admit mixers were bad but they didn’t understand the entire problem.

Lol...where did you find this old topic? Well, it best fits the situation of the day and is another reminder that people are all for themselves, especially when money is involved.

You will see people preaching who they are but when money is involved, they are a different person. I will not judge anyone, our ideologies are not the same, but in reality, ideology or not, many will go for the money and repent later even if they know they are not guiltless. However, others will never care.

That's our society. My advice is that you play by your own conscience and leave others to theirs.

Now the question I did put or throw back at you would be, was sinbad mixer a scam before it was seized by the government? Did or have they in any way scammed you or someone you know? Or have you seen a scam accusation against that was not attended to and resolved?

We know the forum is free for all, and that every user have the liberty to say post what ever they like, but in doing so, try not to be too ridiculous, chipmixer was not a scam, but they were seized and brought down, same thing happened to Sinbad.
Governments are generally cracking down on mixers, that does not mean they are a scam.

Well even if they did pop up here the people who post them and also advertise them would be dealt with given that theymos has now banned them and issued a pre-emptive warning to those that do: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mixers-to-be-banned-5476162

Even like the Dutch Law Enforcement recently said about the Sinbad seizure, mixers aren't inherently illegal so most won't or shouldn't have a moral issue with them but there are always people willing to compromise their morals if they're paid to do so, but morality isn't always a black and white thing either. Some people find alcohol, gambling, sex and sex work immoral whilst others don't.

"For how much money heroes and legends are willing to advertise fraud and scam?"

Interesting question if we consider the recent case of Sinbad.io. Next mixer will pop up and get advertised again by heroes and legends .

Exactly. More worrying is the fact that user heavycar only hates scammers if they are non-European/African:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51684930


Spoken like a true Nazi.

"Not as bad as"
"No true scotsman"
"Two wrongs make a right"
"It is the status quo"

Every exchange does something sketchy, Im not sure why you guys think livecoin is so special.  Binance has their own shitcoin scam project going.

People need money to survive, its not like it is any worse than advertising a casino.

I see there's a new batch of legendary members willing to promote the livecoin scam for payment - how sad it is to see these accounts prostitute themselves so that other unsuspecting forum members can get scammed.

It means they are a net positive at least for specific people supporting them. The final call is with the admins. You can message them every once in a while until they explicitly tell you 'no', other than that there's nothing you can do.

See: ChiBitCTy

Though, since then, ban appeals for "positive community contributions" have come by much faster.

Maybe


When noname had exluded you from his trust list:




Wow, i din't knew that someone in english board loves to show himself as an idiot.

No, i don't.

And the reason is simple.. i am not from the US.

I don't have to pay taxes on receiving BTC. I only need to pay taxes on receiving FIAT.
When selling BTC, i only have to pay taxes if they weren't held for at least 1 year.

Anything above holding 1 year is absolutely tax-free for me 

So.. since i ain't breaking the law, it seems i can blame the scammy business for acting against law 




Good to know that you don't care about doing things against law.

Just wanted to adjust my trustlist.. and noticed.. you are already excluded from it. 




The russian community consists of 15 members? Wow.. didn't knew it is that small.

I have one question for you: Do you pay taxes from your crypto income?
For example, let us assume that you have 0.0375 per week from ChipMixer. That's 0.15 per month. That's 1500 dollars per month, and 18 000 per year. Due to US tax laws, your federal income tax is 15 %. Have you pay it?

If not, you can't blame someone acting "against law" because you're doing the same.

At second, i consider myself as anarcho-capitalist, so i don't fucking care if something is "against the law". Such claims sounds for me the same as "It's against Gods law and Bible"



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51933555
Whole russian community, i meant.

I assume with 'ToC', you are referring to ToS ?

They are not just against ethic and morale, but also against law.
It is simple as that. Their ToS are illegal. In the country where they allegedly operate from, and any other civilized country.




Who is banned and supported by the whole community ? I am not aware of such a case here.

> "No one is entitled to anything" (on this forum)
> "Oh my God, Livecoin ToC against ethic and morale, sweet Jesus"

 

Also, about plagiarism. I don't have time for now, for looking into theymos quotes where he says that if someone net positive he can be unbaned. If whole community supporting someone, doesn't that means that this person is very net positive?

"izooomrud alleges: LiveCoin violated a casual or implied agreement, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. LiveCoin did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act."

Doest that sound like forgiveness?

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

Ephesians 6:12

Yea everyone complains to no end about KYC shit, there is a reason it exists. Anyone who adamantly denies KYC is abusing the system, I don't care about your privacy if you are abusing it to begin with. I've never wanted an April fools joke to be true so badly before. KYC prevents a whole bunch of bullshit and clears up a ton of headaches for everyone. I get it, it's annoying, but so is all this bullshit. #KYC all day

Account farmers cast a wide net. Moreover, you have social media based programmes within the bounties which can be gamed by Newbies.

Even if 90% of the bounties fail, those that participate in Twitter/Facebook campaigns will still get something since they are just hitting every single bounty available to them. In the case of signatures, you have individuals that use multiple accounts in order to maximize the variety of tokens they can get. However, the post quality is hit hard because of the extra load (though it's unlikely that they would have posted good content regardless).

TL;DR: We need KYC.

Certainly, anyone who actually enjoys being here will put in the extra time and effort it takes to actually contribute to the forum rather than shitpost. I also do think that "intervention", like in the case of YoBit, its successful in mitigating the spamming or at least drawing more attention to it. I'm also not meaning to imply anyone wearing a signature is a spammer, quite obviously. I think some signature campaigns CAN be quite beneficial, in the sense that people will contribute more quality work since there is an incentive, and they can dedicate more time.

I still don't understand why people even shitpost for bounties anymore, it's completely not worth it. It seems like anyone involved in bounty campaigns is 12 years old... and then they are surprised when the "value" disappears, as if it wasn't made up out of thin air to begin with. Like are people still actually serious with this bounty bullshit, I thought after the countless examples of failure, some would catch on?

But yea, if people are willing to shitpost for valueless coins, you can bet your ass they would shitpost all day for a few extra bucks

No one is entitled to anything. Plagiarism is also a very serious offense here, very few people are lucky enough to get unbanned if they are caught plagiarizing so it's best not to hold out any hope for that.

I think i heard something like that in Bible. Between "Don't kill someone's slave" and "we need to turn water in wine"

That's not how it works. In order for the flag to be dropped not only must the damage be remedied, but the victim of the act must forgive them for their actions. Just because they bowed to public pressure doesn't magically make them innocent.

Certainly, most would. It's a simple task, repeatable and low-effort.
You can churn out hundreds of replies a week if you find the right threads.
You can start training yourself to create generalized and padded posts across your multiple accounts.
You can make the forum a worse place for the sake of money.

But a lot of users don't want that. You'll find that most of the spam is generated by poor monitoring of campaign participants, especially in the altcoin/bounty department. Nearly everyone who dons an altcoin signature is a spammer, full stop.

You will find, however, in the case of ChipMixer, many participants have ample opportunity to shitpost/mask-post their way up to 50/week. A significant percentage do not. Personally, I don't like the idea of lowering my post quality just to make a couple extra dollars. Honestly, I'm far stricter than DS_ on his QA with posts. There's been a few times that I thought the post count should have been lowered. (explains why my reporting accuracy isn't as high... there are a few "bad" reports for posts that I thought should have been deleted)

Speaking of, if you're reading this post to this point, @DarkStar_, just don't mark this one.

I think we all know that most of us would likely take $200 a week to shitpost on a forum. It's not that hard to understand. A lot of times I see people bashing others like this and the next week they're wearing this same signature. Probably a lot of it comes from jealously, hell I would want a sweat signature deal, who doesn't? I don't really think you should question ethics here, people will scam you out of $4 if they have the chance, at least this isn't outright scamming.

The main problem is not the specific episode, which acted as a catalyst, but the contract of the Exchange itself.
Until LiveCoin doesn't improve it's customer relationship policy, there is no guarantee that a similar situation with the blocking clients funds wouldn't happen again in the near future.

The flag was valid until Livecoin unblocked users account. For now, it's invalid because he didn't carry any loses.


Wait a minute. Why i must PM theymos, if we have global mods to unban users. Like you, for example. I had PMed you before, while you ignored me. Or you couldn't unban without theymos consent?

10%? Drop that to 1% and you might have something close to the truth.

Most users join for bounties/signature campaigns and spread their spam across the forum. Is it more important to have a big community or a community that actually cares about bitcoin? How many of these users have bought bitcoin? How many of these users have 1BTC? I doubt it's a high number. I doubt the retention time of their received bitcoin exceeds a month.

These users are spamming because they see the forum as a "job"... something that brings them money in return for low-effort posts. That's not how the forum should be. Especially since we have the name Bitcointalk, having altcoin-promoting users taint every section of the forum with trash is not what we want.

I don't think it's their mistake they can get scammed too and don't get paid the problem is bounty managers even in this situation the bounty manager is from the exchange but we can see bounty managers that don't give a shit about participants and they are not even getting flagged for millions of dollars scams

Good lord, you really need to take the stick out of your ass. Did I say it was dead forever? However, I'll be sure to let you know once you finally say something that is even remotely funny.


Theymos and cyrus rarely respond to PMs these days probably due to lack of time and sheer number of the PMs they get, but sadly if they don't then you have to take it as a no. It's pot luck if they do, but annoyingly that has a knock on effect of Globals being PMd and 90% of the time we can't do anything about it or we then have to pester them about it and personally I don't really wan't to annoy them with it so if they don't respond I just take that as a no or 'I don't have time'.


Well, those two campaigns are the anomalies and one is probably the most lucrative and the other was one of the measliest in terms of payment, but regardless of whether you pay a lot of little, the quality still needs to be there. Even if you're paying someone pennies if the quality control was there you would still get good content. Sure, many users won't want to join them but regardless of how much you get paid it's still money for nothing. I mean, I get paid zero for every other message board I post on and if the only campaign I could join  here was a low paying one then I would because it's still better than nothing. The problem is is when there's no quality control and people start spamming because their livelihoods depend on it. Campaigns don't have to pay ridiculous amount either as a middle ground can be found, just as long as the quality control is there. When a campaign like Stake or Yobit comes along as is literally paying anyone for anything then that's when the abuse becomes rife and has a devastating effect on the forum in the process and it's those campaigns that give sig campaigns in general a bad name. If the sig campaign guidelines where ever enforced then the forum would clean itself up pretty fast, but when we allow campaigns to basically do what they want (and in many cases that is nothing) then it's going to be abused because they can get away with it.

I think that the flag against LiveCoin can be considered conditionally valid, since their customer agreement has contradictions. If I get it wrong, then let experts with law degrees to correct me.
In the agreement LiveCoin warns that they will take clients funds for some possible reasons, but at the same time, the Exchange states that the agreement doesn't affect the legal rights of the customers.
Even with the terms of LiveCoin's own contract, they can not arrogate the clients funds, because such decisions must be taken only by courts.

I'm not PM'ing admins, we have global mods for such things now .
And what a funny statement "If someone is not answering to PM, that's mean no". Community deserves to hear detailed response in ban appeal topic. I think it will be honest way.

I have long argued that companies should be called out when their advertising is harming the forum in the form of low quality posts.

As a forum user, I very much appreciate how Darkstar runs his campaign because of how little spam his campaign contributes (although there are some in his campaign that can both post without knowing what they are talking about and get merit in these posts). However running a campaign the way Darkstar runs his campaigns is going to be more expensive than running a campaign the way stake ran their campaign both to participants and to the manager. If there were tangible reputation consequences to having a campaign run poorly, more companies would have their campaigns run like Darkstars.

I have also noticed a trend that companies are starting to pay people to blog and write articles about their company on various other platforms (including other social media sites). I would suspect that more companies will move toward this type of advertising because the content stays up (usually) after payment has been made, and the reviews help with google search results.   

That's not a potential solution probably, otherwise, theymos would do it long ago. I doubt 10% of the current active people/activity would be active once sig is disable.

If you PM'd Cyrus and theymos more than once or twice and they aren't responding I assume the answer is a 'no'.


Advertisers care not only about traffic but about the quality of it, I'm not sure (I don't lean either way) if people who visit bitcointalk solely for signature campaigns are worth as much as users without paid signatures.

I'd be more than happy to see a perma-ban of sig/profile campaigns/promotions, it would certainly rid this forum of clutter/spam - not to mention scams/shitposters & pointless arguements over nothing but getting paid a few bucks for doing so. I'm all for it.

Sorry, I didn't realize once you made a joke it is dead forever. Next time I will check with you first before laughing.

We’d certainly see who is serious about & enjoys posting here if there was a 60 day signature ban.
I’d be here every day with or without getting paid for my signature, I can probably comfortably say that isn’t the case for everybody who gets paid to post.

Exchanges cannot be regarded as scam till they start scamming everyone like yobit and livecoin. Yobit recently paid me my pending money (which was in their wallet since a year) so it wouldn't be right for me to give them a negative trust because they did not pay others who were withdrawing thousands of dollars while exchanges like cryptopia who cheated all users including me deserve to be called scam as they ran away with users' funds that were not stolen and claimed bankruptcy. Livecoin recently cleared themselves by solving one accusation and even though they are shady without a doubt, they can't be termed scammers just like hitbtc and yobit. Those who are wearing the signature don't care about the consequences users who have been cheated have faced because they are earning and haven't been cheated by livecoin which is really a shame. If livecoin was genuine, they wouldn't have locked their thread and self-moderated it.

Yep, because of that we didn't support izooomrud. Because all you, russian speaking noobs smells like a shit more than Livecoin.

It's easy to verify my words, because no one from trusted russian members (DT1, DT2) supported Livecoin flag  



Why "supported" and not "supporting"?
Livecoin have already unlocked izooomrud account, so flag3 accusation can be considered as "resolved".


And what about quality and speed of responding to ban appeals? If it go up as a quality of discussion, i'll vote for it!

Markiz is waiting

Already made that joke 



Sometimes they don't know about it or don't care. Some will just take whatever they get, especially since decent sig campaings are both rare and hard to get onto.




bryant.colman usually only pops up when there's a lucrative sig camp. I think that account may have changed hands as well though it's hard to say whether it just goes inactive when he can't monetise it.


I'm not so sure. You could argue that it might increase it. Most businesses here don't advertise via the ad slots because it's more effective to pay users. It might even be cheaper in some instances. Also, theymos doesn't seem to care that much about forum income so traffic probably isn't that much of a concern either. At least if sig campaigns were banned then the quality of discussion would go up exponentially. Though as I've always said, quality discussion and sig campaigns can coexist with better management on their behalf. Imagine if every campaign was run like Darkstar's. We would then have no problem with spam and they would actually help improve the quality of content.

I didn't mean you don't visit. I remember I have gotten a merit from you on service section of altcoin, the post was an old post.

Anyway, come the point, for people with dozens account who only wait for signature campaign, doesn't matter what they will promote. They matter the cash only. For me, I wouldn't promote a scam project, even the payment is the highest.
I always have fought against the scam, tried to alert people not to join scam project, not to invest in coins without enough research, not to use an scam exchange.
For me, my standard is more precious than the cash.

That's a good move from both of you. Real man never promote scam, they bust.

I had PM'ed all the participants in the campaign and received a response from kodtycoon that he is removing the signature because he doesn't want to promote a scam.

I would encourage everyone else in the campaign to do the same.

That's not true mate. Probably you didn't notice them, may be you are posting on limited number of boards. You didn't merit them doesn't reflect they are bad poster or they don't deserve the rank.
The problem is that, most accounts were inactive, it's simply can be said that most of the accounts are signature campaign abuser.

I AM GONNA NEED
ABOUT TREE FIDDY

it would definitely tone down spam a lot, but it makes this forum less lively
there will be less people posting in the forum because of lack of motivation
lets be honest, signature campaigns do help attract new users to the forum
as side effects, they help expose bitcoin to many new users from various backgrounds and classes

We have to agree that the majority of traffic comes here for signature campaigns and other money earning services. The moment signature campaigns are stopped, the traffic will look for alternatives and this will give rise to another forum where signature campaigns will be accepted. Due to the lack of traffic, services will gradually move to an alternative as well. Yes, we would not have spams but it will affect the forum's ad revenue as well.

In this case the guilty one is: manager Livecoin not participants participating in the campaign,
What needs to be warned about Livecoin campaign fraud is its manager.

Menajer has been warned in this case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2650265
And also his bad reputation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/flag-against-livecoin-again-5166754

If the manager of Livecoin is banned from this Forum and the mod removes his campaign, this problem is over, or the manager of Livecoin, returns the funds he has brought from the user and this issue is over.

So the problem here is if resolutely resolved by the authorities everything is finished.

in Russian, you can use a translator
https://ru.forexmagnates.com/roskomnadzor-vserez-vzyalsya-za-kriptovalyutnuyu-birzhu-yobit/
https://hyipcoins.top/birzha-yobit-moshennichestvo
The Russian people everything works according to this principle.  If a thing looks like shit, smells like shit and is spoken of as shit, then that thing is shit
English people don't agree with it. Even if they shove this thing in yourself mouth, they will say that it is possible to someone it will seem delicious
Different mentality, nothing can be done.

If you claim something you need to back up your claim about the criminal proceedings that is being taken against Yobit. It is a shady exchange without much transparency and no one is denying that who have traded in that exchange and the fake volumes in some of the shitty coins being listed, but what top level exchange provides the exact volume in this market. Advertisement provided does not mean that they are claiming it to be legit.

It is a strange case altogether with livecoin, not sure about the intensity of the situation but a users coins are confiscated because he voiced out against them showing their incompetence and the amount is around $200 and they are not even trying to sort the issue which is strange. When they started a new campaign i thought they sorted out the issue  .

Scam accusations are very subjective. Quite a few people tell me that Bitcoin is a scam, and when I explain about the fact that cryptographic solutions can create a virtual asset,rather like writing a book, then they think I am mad. I think zero interest rates on savings are a scam, but they are government sponsored, and anyway, the whole fiat system is a scam in my opinion. Should Bitcoin Talk red trust members because they support the US dollar or the UK pound, I think not.

The best solution is for members to continue to make newbies aware of the dangers that are present in the world of crypto. For example, they should be made aware that BTC can mean Bitcoin Cash, or it can refer to the genuine Bitcoin store of value.

That would create more ridiculous picture than current. Staff could easily manipulate the system and as a result, all the faults would be upon the forum. Better not to moderate any scam, let people choose their own way.
By the way, in forum ad slots, no scam project is allowed.

There was a time when scammers would be branded with a SCAMMER sub-rank, for all to see, and some of their forum privileges could be revoked. But that was when the forum saw significantly lower levels of activity, so in 2013 theymos designed a reputation system called Trust which is largely supposed to be self-sustaining, allowing him to spend more time on other stuff. A centralized approach to policing scams would require theymos to hire dozen(s?) of full-time mods, probably start charging fees and acting as an escrow, and institute tons of restrictions in doing business on bitcointalk. Basically, it would turn the forum into ebay2. And you'd still see people getting scammed and losing money lol.

Right--and I also don't even recognize most of those members, and I don't think they're among the most trusted in the community despite their ranks (I have not checked any of their trust pages, though). 

And yeah, there are a lot of members eager to join any signature campaign they can, since there aren't a lot left that pay in bitcoin that I know of.  Those accounts may also be under the control of account farmers or others who bought them--who knows.  All I know is that when a new sig campaign opens up a lot of high-ranked members start coming out of the woodwork to join them.

Possibilities: you have some victims due to unmonitored scams because the forum doesn't do anything about it, or
Possibilities: you have some victims due to unmonitored scams because anything that isn't a "scam" seems like it was approved by the forum, or
Possibilities: you have some victims due to unmonitored scams because DT doesn't do anything about it, or
Possibilities: you have some victims due to unmonitored scams because the administrative system has not seen it.

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Pick your poison.

Both are basically the same result (in terms of prospective command and consequences) but the DT system gives a wider scope and more power to forum users rather than hand-picked moderators.

I think that we had enough discussions about Livecoin issue, there is no need to make another topic. It's up to every person to decide, is it ethical to advertise services which have not ressolved scam accusations against them. And actually, here on Bitcointalk we saw plenty of worse and more shady websites advertised than Livecoin and there wasn't so much dram about that.
And I can rephrase your question - for how much money Newbies and Jr. Members are willing to advertise fraudand scam? Because often they are promoting things like scam ICO's basically for free. Is it something better?

Personally, about tree fiddy.


User A: OMG WHY IS NAZI BITCOINTALK CENSORING PEOPLE/BUSINESSES. MUH FREEDUMB OF SPEECH!
User B: WHY AREN'T BITCOINTALK DOING ANYTHING ABOUT ALL THESE SCAMS & SPAMS!!!! BAN THEM ALL!!!
Nazi mods: We can't win.

Staff don't get involved in potential scams and that's left up to the community to police. Sure, staff could remove scams, but who gets to decide on what is and isn't a scam. Has yobit been found guilt in a court of law? And what crimes should be cause for banishment? It's hard to police fairly so staff usually stay out of these things unless certain legal action is taken.

I know theymos is trying to avoid this, but he seems to be open to the idea of potentially disallowing signature campaigns, and lets be honest it would improve the forums signal to noise ratio by a whole lot, although we would be removing a rather interesting eco system which has developed because of it. Unfortunately, whenever you have something good, it is always abused by the masses until it eventually ends up being tossed out. 

I had messaged the participants about the scam accusation in the old campaign and I ended up receiving negative trust for doing so (the text of the rating was different however the reason was clear).

I don’t think anyone should advertise for LiveCoin until they can resolve the scam accusation against them. They appear to be preventing withdrawals by anyone critical of their business, which is unacceptable.

I will message anyone on the spreadsheet who is wearing their signature this evening.

Or we could end all signature campaigns for 60 days just to see if it helps.

Think of all the spam that would go by by.

Why not try it for a bit just to see.

If staff members were to moderate scams, there would undoubtedly be a lot of headaches where something is removed, and complaints come flying in. Plus, lets be honest the more "successful" scam attempts are usually not immediately obvious, and would need to be thoroughly investigated, and verified. Sure, we could potentially investigate these cases, but verifying it could be difficult. In the world of business people are willing to damage their competitors, and try, and accuse each other of all sorts. Every so often we have report wars with several allegations from competitors on different projects, but investigating that would be a massive headache. This is why the trust system is in place, and it might not be perfect, but it should be good enough as a warning, then users can decide whether they are willing to accept that risk or not.

Just imagine for a second if we were to remove all the scams in the altcoin section. although this would be a grey area, as some of them are obvious cash grabs, but might not exactly be scams we would be there all day investigating, verifying, and removing that we wouldn't have time to eat or sleep. Moderating scams is opening a can of worms that no one wants to deal with. At least with the trust system, and now the flag system we can place up flags, and see if others agree with your viewpoint, because scams are largely subjective if they are caught before an actual scam attempt.

Anyone can bring up an accusation and if it's valid it has "opportunities" to be supported by DT members using flags and red trust ratings. That's what happened to LiveCoin recently.

The system is not perfect but expecting forum staff to moderate scams - while it may seem like the right thing to do - would likely end up with a lot of issues too. For one, you can't expect them to find every scam so you would still need to sort of community reporting/policing option, which is essentially what DT does.

It is just useless. My account does not have enough opportunities to blame everyone for cheating. And the majority of newbies will go over the signature of respected participants and plunge into shit. This forum has millions of dollars in cryptocurrency and a lot of opportunities, but it is more profitable for them to cover fraud.

Some are willing to scam you for one dollar, if you do not believe me you can visit this section ----> {Digital goods & Invites & Accounts} and know some of them.
Unfortunately, many accounts with a negative trust are willing to do anything for some money.
If you are interested in fighting scam promoting, track those accounts and report any mistakes they made.

Well, there's a good reason for that; most of the time it's quite hard to determine whether something is a scam, or not.
It might be unethical, there might be a lawsuit going on, but doesn't necessarily imply guilt in unlawful behavior.

With the project you mentioned it might be a bit more obvious that they're doing something wrong, still, the forum doesn't want to set a precedent. There's no court case, or a verdict, and if there was, perhaps it still wouldn't be enough to even consider banning it, because where do you draw the line then, or which jurisdiction determines what's legal and what isn't? Do you prohibit services from advertising if they have a single accusation next? Or a rogue guy suing them?

And if the forum bans one service from having signatures just because their operations are controversial, before you know it they'll need to review 100s of different companies who perhaps operate shadily. I don't think theymos wants nor has the resources to do that.

But that doesn't mean that people can't be found to be untrustworthy if they promote such schemes. You can tag and open scam accusations against them for all you want.

I do not understand the policy of the forum administration. They do not prohibit the advertising of dubious and fraudulent services or companies against which criminal proceedings are instituted in different countries of the world (for example, YoBit Exchange).

It is just reasonable if this happens for the first time and you are a part of it but it seems that this people did not even care looking at the trust rating of the said manager of the campaign.

I think if they are aware of the current status then it really boils down to money > than reputation (they will not even getting punished by the forum rules if they participated on it.) So why would they even care. Unless the authorities here will pursue punishing them which i think is never going to happen.

Hero & Legendary accounts that were hero & legendary before the merit update shouldn't be regarded as something unique.

It's no surprise these accounts which generally ranked due to low level posts would engage in behavior that would, above all morals & ethics, fill their pockets. They're in a sense just junior members with a bigger signature and title. (Most of them.)



But.. What's your point?

Signature Campaign
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/open-livecoinnet-signature-campaign-herolegendary-weekly-up-to-01btc-5166711

reviews about this company
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2650265



Here is the list of participants
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tv7tkG6SSwrSOyz8PlBpUNxslh7dTxKCcgXiu0sKu3A/edit#gid=0



The answer is simple. From $ 100 a week, dear participants are willing to advertise projects with a dubious reputation and a lot of negative reviews.