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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

There is no way that the forex market can be manipulated. Lowering and improving of a currency value can only be done by central banks. So, there isn’t anything like manipulating like it is being done in the cryptocurrency market where anyone with deep pockets can just easily start manipulating the market.

Although when it comes to cryptocurrency, I think that Bitcoin has passed that level of being manipulated, it’s mostly the smaller market cap coins in the market that can be manipulated by whales. The stock market can as well be manipulated just like in the cryptocurrency market. So the only one that is not prone to manipulation is forex.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on April 10, 2022, 09:51:55 AM

I would not discourage you from learning something new. It is just something that I have observed in this forum, some threads often pop up about people asking which one is better. Then going for one but ending up not profiting either. It is also true that many of these users are just wannabe traders, trying to get quick money and hence going for each and every available option, which I guess would not be your case.

Indeed you can become seasoned in both, but this should be done with caution, in my opinion, which is completely personal. I myself have done stocks for years and got into crypto and have been doing both for the last six years. Honestly, my knowledge of being able to control emotions and stay calm helped me a lot in crypto.

Any one can work, it’s just if you can be able to do it. Some people can’t be able to do both, so it’s best that they just go with one, so that they don’t kind of get themselves confused with everything and thereby making a mistake. Both of them are similar in a lot of ways, anyone who has knowledge about trading FX just like you do would also be able to quickly get on with cryptocurrency trading.

Main question is if you can handle the both of them at the same time, that’s just it. The guy asking this question, how good is he at trading cryptocurrency before he talks about trading forex?

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 11, 2022, 03:32:45 AM

I don't know very much about stocks and commodities, but am going to comment on Forex and crypto.
Between this two, I think crypto is the one that can be easily manipulated, crypto can easily be manipulated because -

1. It's still very new and early.
2. It's market cap is also still very low compared to the forex market

Crypto is currently the most manipulated. coins are yet to circulate fully, we are currently in the stage where an individual holds millions of coins and can use that power as a whale to move the market price either positively or negatively.
A time will come when over 5 billion people are buying and selling bitcoin, others holding it for profit, when we get to this stage, we all will discover that it will be difficult for bitcoin's price to be manipulated cus the coins are fully circulated.

due between forex and crypto have different basic fundamental which is in crypto no one controll it even central bank, so everyone with large balance amount could shake market by creating fud. meanwhile in forex, every price drop that caused dangerous thing for country economic ,central bank and government will take main role here to stabilize their currency. it could not done at crypto market, everydrop price fill followed another drop , no one will intervention here.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

I don't know very much about stocks and commodities, but am going to comment on Forex and crypto.
Between this two, I think crypto is the one that can be easily manipulated, crypto can easily be manipulated because -

1. It's still very new and early.
2. It's market cap is also still very low compared to the forex market

Crypto is currently the most manipulated. coins are yet to circulate fully, we are currently in the stage where an individual holds millions of coins and can use that power as a whale to move the market price either positively or negatively.
A time will come when over 5 billion people are buying and selling bitcoin, others holding it for profit, when we get to this stage, we all will discover that it will be difficult for bitcoin's price to be manipulated cus the coins are fully circulated.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 10, 2022, 03:42:40 AM

Just curious about this one mate. Are you trying to say that if you are good at trading with crypto, it will not be applicable to FOREX?

I'm not too acquainted with Forex trading but lately, I'm planning to engage in this kind of trade but I have doubts because it may take a lot of time for me to educate myself about forex, and with you saying that we should stick to one, that adds to my confusion/doubt on trading with forex.

I would not discourage you from learning something new. It is just something that I have observed in this forum, some threads often pop up about people asking which one is better. Then going for one but ending up not profiting either. It is also true that many of these users are just wannabe traders, trying to get quick money and hence going for each and every available option, which I guess would not be your case.

Indeed you can become seasoned in both, but this should be done with caution, in my opinion, which is completely personal. I myself have done stocks for years and got into crypto and have been doing both for the last six years. Honestly, my knowledge of being able to control emotions and stay calm helped me a lot in crypto.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

Whales are everywhere; you cannot escape. Because, we are witnessing pump and dump happening on every market; traders who are into commodities or forex markets will never complain about manipulations with cryptocurrency trading. Probably stock markets may not have regular manipulation due to various regulation kind of restrictions still pumps and dumps do happen there as well.

Quote from: adaseb on April 09, 2022, 10:44:47 PM

I’ve traded almost every market except maybe Soy beans, pork, bonds, yields, etc and what I’ve learnt is that almost every market is manipulated. Whether it’s big or small. It doesn’t matter.

Yes, whales are too smart to convince rest of traders to support them for pumps and dumps. For example, they will pump till resistance-1 and after testing most traders will expect return back of trend but whales will pump till resistance-2 then most traders will assume about change of trend and will pump toward resistance-3 but in-between whales book profits by trapping everyone else. This is just one scenario where how whales exist on every market and we cannot understand their goals always in any market.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on April 09, 2022, 05:25:35 AM

Crypto > Stocks > Forex is what I would say from my experience. Commodities is something I have never got into, so cant comment much.

Crypto due to the lack of regulation is the easiest for any influencer or whale to manipulate. Stocks do have their dilution among different holders and therefore the bigger owners can manipulate the markets.

Remember that more volatility means more possibilities of multiplied returns as well as losses. If someone is seasoned in one, they should stick to that instead of trying to expand their portfolio.

Just curious about this one mate. Are you trying to say that if you are good at trading with crypto, it will not be applicable to FOREX?

I'm not too acquainted with Forex trading but lately, I'm planning to engage in this kind of trade but I have doubts because it may take a lot of time for me to educate myself about forex, and with you saying that we should stick to one, that adds to my confusion/doubt on trading with forex.

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Quote from: kapalmabur on April 10, 2022, 01:40:24 AM

Yes, it seems that the pope is more eyeing the price of coins that are still low to be manipulated,
because as you said that with the high price I think they will consider a lot of things to manipulate Bitcoin,
other than that maybe the pope wouldn't go that far

It's the marketcap + liquidity, not the price. Cardano has a low unit price of $1.04(as of today) but it has quite a high marketcap and a good amount of liquidity; compared to a lowcap coin that could be priced at $100+(because of low supply).

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Quote from: Scripture on April 09, 2022, 05:28:19 PM

Forex can't be easily manipulated since its value depends the economy of the country so technically, there are no whales there that tries to manipulate its value.

forex also manipulated by whales group too, we ever see price move with high volatility only in few seconds or minute. they also could pay someone with popular influence to drive market as they want.

Quote from: Scripture on April 09, 2022, 05:28:19 PM

I can see that Stocks and cryptocurrency are more prone to manipulation, if you own big amount of money you can really influence the price and that's the job of whales aside from making money out of it. Manipulation will stay, so its better to learn how to ride with the trend and follow where the money is going, don't try to beat them because you can't.

manipulators always occur in any market as long as they could generate profits here. cryptocurrency market maybe be best place for their action, alot coins have no strong fundamental so they will shake it till people panic and whales buy it.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

What's your guess?

Maybe I think crypto can be manipulated but it will depend on the coin. Back when the price of bitcoin was still very low, maybe the whales could manipulate the price, but now it may be difficult because the price of bitcoin is now expensive. Maybe the low priced coins could still be manipulated by the whales.

The whales can manipulate everything, especially the whales who can control media sources.

Yes, it seems that the pope is more eyeing the price of coins that are still low to be manipulated,
because as you said that with the high price I think they will consider a lot of things to manipulate Bitcoin,
other than that maybe the pope wouldn't go that far

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A certain asset being able to be manipulated by "whales" depends a lot less of the asset class but a lot more of the liquidity of the said asset. Like how a microcap stock can be far more likely to be manipulated compared to a cryptocurrency like bitcoin that has a lot of liquidity.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

What's your guess?

Maybe I think crypto can be manipulated but it will depend on the coin. Back when the price of bitcoin was still very low, maybe the whales could manipulate the price, but now it may be difficult because the price of bitcoin is now expensive. Maybe the low priced coins could still be manipulated by the whales.

The whales can manipulate everything, especially the whales who can control media sources.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

Manipulation is literal by product of news media, what is being taught to peeps, global impacts, severity of factors directly involved with those commodities. I mean, if someone just pays off pretty handsome money to most popular media around the globe then they can easily manipulate the market for commodities. Where everyone see the forecasts? Well, news channel is the first place in the morning you tune and see the index’s.

Yes it is hard but I think it’s not impossible if planned properly. Because in the background a whale could be whole institution. What Belford did? If you know then you know, rest is history.

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I’ve traded almost every market except maybe Soy beans, pork, bonds, yields, etc and what I’ve learnt is that almost every market is manipulated. Whether it’s big or small. It doesn’t matter.

And the degree of difficulty to trade it is also the same whether you are trading crypto, stocks or bonds. There is no market that’s easier to trade than another. Stocks are perhaps good if you hold them long term like a retirement account however most people trade them short term and lose money.

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Quote from: Scripture on April 09, 2022, 05:28:19 PM

Forex can't be easily manipulated since its value depends the economy of the country so technically, there are no whales there that tries to manipulate its value.

But we have seen so many cases where foreign currencies have also been manipulated, the latest being the Russian Rubble. Look up and see what happened to the Venezuelan national currency. The Government there even tried to change the denomination of the currency twice or thrice but nothing worked Cheesy

Regardless of who manipulates them, it's still called manipulation

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

Forex can't be easily manipulated since its value depends the economy of the country so technically, there are no whales there that tries to manipulate its value. I can see that Stocks and cryptocurrency are more prone to manipulation, if you own big amount of money you can really influence the price and that's the job of whales aside from making money out of it. Manipulation will stay, so its better to learn how to ride with the trend and follow where the money is going, don't try to beat them because you can't.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

for me i think only crypto can be manipulated easily by whales since its not backed up by anything around the world compared to thus others what you've mentioned above, and that's why crypto is very known as a very risky investment ever since and before because even nowadays the manipulation of cryptocurrency is still very strong.

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Manipulation in forex is minimal and just very few understand how it happens. IMO I believe big banks play a role in this or either they are aware of what is happening in the market and they trade against what you are seeing in the market. Usually when market goes in a direction for long unusually, I believe it is manipulated by big plays. Also banks have inside information earlier than the public and they act faster to run out with the profit, getting an ordinary trader stock inside. I also believe an individual can manipulate the market like if the federal reserve or other monetary agency in America, London or Australia is releasing a financial news, whatever the head of the department is releasing news item like NONFARM PAYROLLS, this news is very volatile and could be manipulative. Also, when Donald Trump was the president, I heard his tweet about the $ cause a huge panic in the FX market.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

actually everything is inseparable from the whales, even in forex there is such a thing as a black market, where they are a collection of moneyed people who will move the market, but the effects are not as significant as crypto, but what is very visible here is for the cryptocurrency market, especially for a new project that will involve pump and dump actions, and that is the act of whales who buy and sell coins on a large scale. Indeed, the first thing that must be known before trading or investing is the characteristics of the object we are going to trade, so that we can determine the choice of where to trade. I personally do forex trading and crypto trading, this is to diversify the assets i have

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

What makes manipulation easy is to control the supply and demand and the amount of freedom in the market to move.

Supply and demand in many cryptocurrencies is centralized and therefore easy to manipulate, especially if the currency has a very small market capacity.
The greater the market capacity, the more decentralized the distribution of currencies, the limited demand, and the decentralization of decision-making, the more costly currency manipulation is.

In the stock market, the stock exchanges enjoy some protection, as the Markets Committee can restrict profits to a range of 5% per day, as well as losses, thus protecting the capital from erosion.
The more transparent the state is in managing the market, the more capital is saved.

The country's monetary policies, political conditions, regulations, and tax restrictions are what make volatility controllable.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

All of them can be manipulated by their own whales.

That's why in every market, you can't flee with those bigger players and you get to play their game as well if you want to stay longer and be on a better spot just like them.

In crypto, it's a speculative market and truly it's very easy for those bigger players and whales to manipulate it. With such false news, many are buying it and is the cause for a massive and quick drop.

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Crypto > Stocks > Forex is what I would say from my experience. Commodities is something I have never got into, so cant comment much.

Crypto due to the lack of regulation is the easiest for any influencer or whale to manipulate. Stocks do have their dilution among different holders and therefore the bigger owners can manipulate the markets.

Remember that more volatility means more possibilities of multiplied returns as well as losses. If someone is seasoned in one, they should stick to that instead of trying to expand their portfolio.

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Quote from: 325btc on April 09, 2022, 03:15:07 AM

Forex crypto commodities stocks wich one of them are most easy to manipulate ?wich one of them can be not influenced by whales ? Or all of them influenced by whales?

In FX, except you're referring to the major trading banks; the ilks of Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Deutche Bank, and Bank of America in such capacity. But that doesn't mean manipulation is far from them. When that happens it's called trading against the market. It's a situation where market sentiments are viewed and major players decide to go the opposite direction of what majority of traders are doing. There are traders who often accuse trading platforms/brokers of doing that. We know the crypto story and how influential quantity hodlers are in projects. It's even worse with altcoins which are new in the market. In all, Forex Trading is highly regulated and can't be compared to what happens in the loose crypto space. I don't have a vast knowledge in stocks as I haven't considered it an area of investment. In my view stocks is analogue that grinds slowly and doesn't pump up adrenaline like the other two.

Nonetheless, I think it's safer to conclude that since these businesses are run and controlled by man there's bound to be a certain level of manipulation and back door dealings. In all.

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Forex is most difficult to manipulate as it deals with fiat issued by the government, but the government have the power to always devalue their local fiat currency but which would be as a result of what is happening to the country's economy.

About crypto, it depen. Bitcoin and high marketcap coins can be difficult to manipulate but as the marketcap is getting lower, the easier the manipulation, that is one of the reasons it is better to not go for new projects and low cap coins.

About stocks, it is as risky just like cryptocurrencies, it also depends on the marketcap of the stock and how reputable the founders are, people that have the largest shares can be able to manipulate.

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