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Topic: Forum member that found the glitch and gave back 100 BTC Last week! (Read 2093 times)

member
Activity: 139
Merit: 10
There was a guy that was able to withdraw 60 BTC that didn't belong to him from Cryptsy and returned all of them as well.

legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 1032
RIP Mommy
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
Bypassing yo floor on da elevator all day like a BO$$
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
Stop thinking that people won't abuse glitches. The only way to stop people abusing them is ensure the glitches do not exist.
He's asking for the thread for this sole purpose. I'm part of the 'people', and I'm not trying to abuse that glitch. Problem?

I abuse all glitches that I can find, always. It's how I live my life, if I find a "glitch" it's abused, whether is rooting an android phone or preventing an elevator from stopping at other floors on the way down. And I'm not the only one who does this either. They call us "whitehats" and we're not going anywhere Tongue

So if you don't want your shit "glitched" then do your job properly and don't leave any glitches behind - especially glitches that have a wiki section dedicated to them - because eventually it will be found and abused for fun and maybe profit.

i bet these "whitehat" characters get mad pussy
full member
Activity: 309
Merit: 100
Im pretty sure this is analogous to a "bank error" where you get more money then due. I am also pretty sure they can and will come after you, especially if all your info is on file with MtGox/Name of Exchange Here.

As far as not hurting others, that 100BTC belonged to someone. Whether its the Exchange's profit, or from Joe Shmoes account.

The ideal solution is to find out the "fix" , send the BTC/Money back and offer your services, if your that good.

Kosta
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.
Abusing a glitch to gain BTC (money) could be considered stealing if found guilty (if traced back to you, and you didn't return it).
Bitcoin is not a game, afaik.
I 100% agree with you, but the "stop trying to abuse glitches" cannot be thrown alone in the wild like you did, in my opinion.
It deserves a whole book of explanations on the limits of what's allowed and what's not.
Basically, it breaks down to "if you exploit and steal from other people while doing so, then you should not".
But if the stealing is "just" getting there first and bragging about it, is that still stealing?
Not that simple, even though I'm pretty sure we'd come to an agreement easily on the matter.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
That's a very tough question, actually.
I know that I, for one, often try to find weaknesses in (solo) video games (and found a whole lot) when they tend to become too difficult for my limited skills.
I was able to kill the first dragon in mm7 with an (almost) fresh team, and without reading anything about it. I just arrowed it to death, took me a few hours, but I did it. I also reported quite a few useful glitches on online games (mostly EQ, was on all early beta-tests).
Generally speaking, finding glitches is part of the game, to me.
Abusing a glitch to gain BTC (money) could be considered stealing if found guilty (if traced back to you, and you didn't return it).
Bitcoin is not a game, afaik.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.
Stop trying to abuse glitches.
That's a very tough question, actually.
I know that I, for one, often try to find weaknesses in (solo) video games (and found a whole lot) when they tend to become too difficult for my limited skills.
I was able to kill the first dragon in mm7 with an (almost) fresh team, and without reading anything about it. I just arrowed it to death, took me a few hours, but I did it. I also reported quite a few useful glitches on online games (mostly EQ, was on all early beta-tests).
Generally speaking, finding glitches is part of the game, to me.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 252
Allow me to settle the dispute -

All involved are neither white hats nor black hats.  You are all asshats.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
I don't see rooting a phone as "hacking".

This is where it gets complicated (lol)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28term%29#Hacker_definition_controversy

Essentially the term hacking covers much more than just subverting security.

Personally, I'd consider preventing an elevator from stopping on other floors to be "blackhat".  You are now taking advantage of special knowledge about the elevator for your own personal benefit at the expense of others who are waiting for the elevator.  Very selfish, and immoral.

Lets take a iPhone. You root it and install Cydia and decide to use free apps instead of the App Store. You have took advantage of Apple because they sold that iPhone at $600 and were depending on you to purchase apps to make most of the profit. You've now defeated their DRM and have caused them to lose out on this profit they budgeted for. You could say it is selfish and it is also illegal in many jurisdictions in some cases for this very reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking#Legal_status
legendary
Activity: 2114
Merit: 1040
A Great Time to Start Something!
Did someone really return 100 BTC, wow that's great.  Smiley
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Perhaps you and I have different definitions for the term "whitehat".

In my understanding, someone who "abuses" or "takes advantage of" a "glitch" for their own personal gain is a "blackhat", not a "whitehat".

A "whitehat" searches out and finds "glitches" and then does NOT abuse or take advantage of the "glitch", but instead informs the controlling entity of the "glitch" and if possible offers suggestions on how to prevent such "glitches" in the future.

In a way, we have the same definition and in a way we don't.

In a simplified way if you don't break a law it's whitehat. Rooting is phone isn't "blackhat" and neither is hacking an elevator. Blackhat hacking would be outright stealing the 100BTC. Stealing 100BTC and then returning it later and informing them would be greyhat. Informing MtGox and not stealing it would be whitehat.

Whitehat hacking can be for personal gain which is why I said "fun and maybe profit" but as long as it's "legal" (relatively) and victimless I don't see how its blackhat.
legendary
Activity: 3472
Merit: 4801
How do I take my Bitcoins out? Im based in the US

You don't.  MtGox has stopped all bitcoin withdrawals.
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Stop thinking that people won't abuse glitches. The only way to stop people abusing them is ensure the glitches do not exist.
He's asking for the thread for this sole purpose. I'm part of the 'people', and I'm not trying to abuse that glitch. Problem?

I abuse all glitches that I can find, always. It's how I live my life, if I find a "glitch" it's abused, whether is rooting an android phone or preventing an elevator from stopping at other floors on the way down. And I'm not the only one who does this either. They call us "whitehats" and we're not going anywhere Tongue

So if you don't want your shit "glitched" then do your job properly and don't leave any glitches behind - especially glitches that have a wiki section dedicated to them - because eventually it will be found and abused for fun and maybe profit.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
Stop thinking that people won't abuse glitches. The only way to stop people abusing them is ensure the glitches do not exist.
He's asking for the thread for this sole purpose. I'm part of the 'people', and I'm not trying to abuse that glitch. Problem?
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Stop trying to abuse glitches.

Stop thinking that people won't abuse glitches. The only way to stop people abusing them is ensure the glitches do not exist.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
Stop trying to abuse glitches.
newbie
Activity: 36
Merit: 0
Who was the person that posted on the forums last week about finding a glitch in where he got an extra 100 bit coins and gave them back to the exchange and told them how to solve the glitch. He wouldn't name the exchange and I can't find the thread. This is defiantly what happened and the exchange was MTgox. How do I take my Bitcoins out? Im based in the US

Search it again intently for others to know how to get theirs too.
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
Who was the person that posted on the forums last week about finding a glitch in where he got an extra 100 bit coins and gave them back to the exchange and told them how to solve the glitch. He wouldn't name the exchange and I can't find the thread. This is defiantly what happened and the exchange was MTgox. How do I take my Bitcoins out? Im based in the US
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