Topic: Forum moderation question (Read 484 times)

I do not think so that there is deletion by mistake.It is sometime very hard to understand the reason of deletion.


Forum will not be happy at all with these active moderators who can "delete by mistake".

It could be done by mistake for a lot of post sometimes which is not constructive needs to be deleted. And for some reasons due to a large number of post to be deleted there could be times that a deletion by mistake will going to happen. Well, whatever the reason it will be as long as there are active moderators doing some work then that is an indicator that mods and staff here are working hard.

A forum is a living entity with a wide variety of members and opinions. Mods have a difficult job in trying to steer the forum through some choppy waters, and they have different ideas about the dangers of floating logs and crocodiles. I've had posts deleted and moved, and If I feel strongly enough about it, I've complained on the Meta board. This doesn't do much for the post or thread in question, but hopefully if my protest has some merit, then the mod who took action will consider the opinions in the threads about the editing, and will not repeat the action if it is not in the interests of the community. Once you have had a whinge, it is best to forget about it and move on. Life is a rich kaleidoscope, once you have twisted the tube, then enjoy all the new colours, you can't recreate the old pattern once the pieces have been shaken.

Note - this post was inspired by the success of Nigel Farage in creating the nascent Brexit party.

I am pretty sure you are jealous of my new beeping keyboard.

Your second post is off topic. Well, first one is interesting. You quoted my perfectly valid on-topic opinion about joining yobits campaign and writing 140 post/week and used it to attack moderator and then you said you have to write something on topic:
Spam and off topic. Last part(under the line) can be considered on topic but probably not with parts above the line.

BOGUS

I totally agree with the initial poster here. This deleted posts weaponized junk needs to be transparent, with mod who deleted it and reporter and reason for delete. I would advise anyone being targeted with this kind of shit, start reporting all of "the gangs" posts where you have had similar posts deleted in similar contexts. If they are not deleted, pull up threads in meta requesting WHY this is.

The moderation specifically relating to deleted posts is totally bogus here. Mods seem to be FULLY complicit in attempting to get people banned. YES, there is clear double standards of permitted flow.

We reported 9 clearly off topic posts most that broke our local rules, but that were also clearly off topic and mostly were just false accusations and attacks and 0 of them were deleted?

The usual crew here, use this gamed deleted posts metric, as a tool to try to get people banned. SOME mods are complicit. They refuse to delete "their pals" posts that are just personal attacks, that are FALSE, but will delete observable events presented that bring valuable insight to the reader?

The natural permitted flow on this board is again VAGUE to the degree it can be again used as a weapon.
Theymos again does not even bother to take the FULL context of these deletes into consideration. He just reads the number of deleted posts and takes that as some kind of reliable metric? when once again it is observably unfair, manipulated garbage.

For example: you could stumble upon a thread discussing member x trolling and how to get member x banned. You may find you then are suddenly accused of trolling, and people saying you should be banned on that thread ( you are not member x)

If you even question this, and say please present some examples of me trolling, because that is a false accusation, and you present observable instances of this person trolling themselves under a sock puppet account to sig spam for btc crumbs. Then you will get your posts DELETED. They are then able to continue discussing you as if you are a troll and feel no need to provide even one example. So you rack up 3 or 4 deletes from 1 thread and they get 0 even if you report them. Totally bogus.

Or check out the DT thread where theymos announced the ingenious cycled merit based trust system. Suchmoon and many of the gang make personal attacks on that thread that are not related to the OP. They should all be deleted and we noticed many other " out spoken" members got MANY of their posts deleted for exactly the same kind of argument, only they did bring observable instances to substantiate their claims. Go report all of their personal attacking posts on that thread because many other peoples "fighting posts" even if substantiated with evidence because it was derailing?

Even WORSE:  we were watching a particular thread where observable instances were brought to demonstrate the pharmacist had been using racist trolling spamming  and Tman started attacking the true legend cryptohunter with: sexually deviant comments and other false accusations that he would not provide evidence for when called on it. We noticed cryptohunter was replying with ONLY observable instances of Tmans trust abuse (which Tman then admitted in public saying: he can, will, and just has red trusted cryptohunter for presenting observable instances regarding his friend laudas untrustworthy behaviours WTF?? and nobody did anything about it.).  

Cryptohunters posts kept getting deleted, when they were the truth, and only in response to Tman's attacks, yet Tmans posts remained there. Before the thread was FULLY deleted we have read that several cryptohunter posts were deleted before just trashing the entire thread. The same for another thread he was posting on. That got nuked fully. It seems his posts were deleted individually before the thread was nuked to increase his deleted post count? bogus.

Also we notice Cryptohunter had many posts deleted because they were NOT permitted to post according to some local rules. His posts kept getting deleted. We tried some local rules and we notice cryptohunter did also, and none of those breaking the rules got deleted ?? BOGUS

There are several instances where suchmoon was saying "our only hope it to keep reporting all of his posts" presumably to get the true legend banned. So they do openly use this as a weapon.

When Theymos issued a PUBLIC warning of a ban based upon the number of deleted posts cryptohunter had had ..... THEN MYSTERIOUSLY right after that someone scanned his entire post history for 1 word replies and reported around 10-20 of them and they were all deleted within moments of each other. BOGUS  

The entire board is corrupt, and if you speak out, you will be silenced, with either red trust, or they will find a way to ban you.  

The mods here do not even PRETEND to be objective and neutral. They lavish merits on other members who FALSELY accuse other members of trolling and making rubbish posts? even when they are challenged to bring examples and they can NOT. BOGUS

Mods will openly accuse you or posting rubbish. You ask them for 1 example? they can not provide even 1 example to discuss and analyse, they just say if they want to call you posts rubbish they will but will not bring an example and publicly examine it. BOGUS

There needs to be some sensible, transparent guide to permitted flow for many different scenarios. Apparently precedents are not allowed, defending your own name is not allowed, even if you bring observable instances. Well, obviously it is allowed along with everything else if you are a gang member. Try to get some of suchmoons of fox poops or moronbozos random groundless attacks removed?

Nobody here will have any kind of sensible public debate at all over anything. Weak minds, low achieving bottom feeders, that will not even present examples of their original thought inspiring posts for analysis. WHY? because they simple have NOT made any (but do have 100's of merits from each other). These people are mostly idiots. They start arguments with you, then when you squash them in public, and their feeble arguments, they get upset, and want you gone.

You should be able to say ANYTHING so long as it is relevant, it provides insight, or background for the reader, and you can present observable instances, or a strong case to support what it is you are saying.

Your post look no more off topic than many other gang members posts which are NOT deleted.

This is DELETED POSTS junk, another NEW weapon, to silence any members that care to mention inconvenient observable instances " the gang"  want to forget about.

It is expected. Why Mods will wait for something to be reported.


Is "Good reports" are further classified while taking an action? Because there might numerous reason for post to be deleted. A simple bump without deleting previous bump can cause good report . A broken post not making any sense will also cause a good report.

So do mods further classify the good reports that should lead to ban?

Moderators do check reported posts before deleting them.

My one post was deleted wherein I asked why Yobit is allowing negative trusted users and I don't get why it was deleted so I don't know how moderation actually works. In Politics section, so many users start targetting users and I used to earlier report personal attack posts but they were not deleted because they were considered on-topic posts. Hence my reporting accuracy decreased. I was told that only posts wherein no useful conversation is taking place and the entire post is just a personal attack, such posts will be deleted. I am still not clear about what's considered an off-topic post in a thread.

You also told everyone that you're gonna leave Meta and Reputation. That would have been a smart move but here we are again.

So yeah report those posts and quit bitching about them. It is your responsibility as a forum member to keep it clean and if you don't want to partake in that because of some personal grievance then your complaints sound hollow.

You are trying to point out once again that an agenda is targeting you. My question is why someone or an agenda will target you? Why you can't think that lot of people's using report button nowadays, and perhaps someone reported your post and moderators considered it as a off-topic or something else. Why you don't try to take it easy? Are you VIP? that always people's will target you? By opening this thread you are trying to prove yourself right and moderators/others is wrong which is your trying from beginning after tagged. Please try to be normal person and try to understand situation. Violence will not help you, and it's not appropriate every place.


I always try to end up every argument on the topic. I don't like to highlight same thing always by same way. Yea, perhaps my opinions will not match with others but its should be end on the topic. If I argue with you on a topic it doesn't mean I should argue with you on every topic.

Sometimes silence is better than violence. So you should learn to stay silent sometimes.

If you really did that then thank you and my apology in your way for saying to stop playing nice.

See here is the difference in between me and you. I have the gut to apology of a wrong saying, I judge person not just only the evidences and keep asking for it.

Do you do that? Will you apology if any day it was proved that I am not all those guys you accused me? Although I have tried with everything to bring every possible pieces as evidences but seems like nothing is working!

It's the same if you deny CluldBet question because there are no evidence and I keep saying you did. By the way, people will not follow what I say because my influences in the forum  is much lesser than you.

@hilariousetc : I think this guy is trying to leverage me because he knows I am an easy target and is desperately seeking your ass to lick. Can you give this guy your ass to lick a bit please? Seems like he does not understand how a sarcasm and conversation between two people works.

About that..

I think you're only showing the "community" whatever you want them to see. You did this in your sobstory of an unban appeal as well, which is highly manipulative to say the least.
(Not that that behavior is something new coming from you, from what i can see, you've been manipulative and trying to win other people's trust since the moment you got here, by kissing their ass like nobody's ever done before.)

No, you have the issue with me for obvious and understandable reasons. I only posted about an abuse I thought I saw. As I said before me and several other users independently spotted the similarities between you and the other account but we chose to leave you be and not say  anything and we were happy to do so. That was right up until the merit abuse. Regardless of what I think of you or what you think I think of you I stood up and made a case that you probably shouldn't have been banned because I felt it was unjust. If I wanted to be a vindictive child I would have said nothing or relished in your ban. I didn't. If it wasn't for me messaging theymos about it you likely would probably still be banned now (unless he would have looked into your ban appeal after and ruled in your favour).

How many times I have to tell that I stopped reporting because of the BS hilariousetc started against me and I do not feel my worth in the community because people like you and other are accepting it. Surely it's working because of hilariousetc's influence in the community.

I used to be very active forum member and gave my heart and soul to be a community person. I think I still do it but not in the massive scale like I used to do before.

Report those posts. Quit bitching. Take a day off and go to the beach.

You need to see there there are bunches of posts that is not related to Yobit in Yobit topic. I don't understand why you are finding that hard too. May be you have not read much from that topic.

You think I do not know the forum rules?

Thule-CH has issues with trust system and clearly I do not have that. My issues is accusing me saying other people which I am not. And guys who started it? hilariousetc.

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Stop playing very nice my mate as known to me my pet goat.

There are agenda in between me and you. See how many times you have created topics against me. You also following me everywhere. There are thousands of users in this forum. How many do you follow like you do me.

Come on! Don't lie to yourself or possibly stop playing nice in public.

I remove the posts I spot and believe to be off topic regardless of if they're reported or not or whether I have issues with certain people. Me and you might not see eye to eye but I don't have an agenda. If I did I wouldn't have argued for you to have been unbanned yesterday which I felt was harsh and unjust, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to remove posts when they're off topic and are an attempt to derail the thread for your own agenda or anyone elses. Post them in the relevant threads or boards like I instructed and there would be no issue.


Of course. Every reported post is evaluated that is either marked as good or bad or left unhandled if nobody can deicide.


They would be checked like any other. If they were inncaurate then they would either be unhandled or marked as bad if they were incorrectly reported.


There are no strict numbers when taking into consideration bans and it's not usually you've had x amount of posts removed so that deserves a ban but an admin may take the number into consideration in certain cases. Yesterday was a pretty unique situation but as far as I was aware it took into consideration actual reports that had been handled against you, and I think as Loyce said you were probably just unfortunate collateral damage.

I don't think going full Thule-CH mode is going to help your case. How hard can it possibly be to grasp that a Yobit thread is about Yobit? Create a thread in Reputation about hilarious and have at it. This shit of airing one's grievances in every thread in Meta/Reputation is seriously annoying and it will get reported if it's off topic.

I think I got the reason for mine...
You can not post anything related to hilariousetc's reputation there. I would like mprep to add this new rule in the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ  topic.

Can you provide the value of "x" in six month that you are talking above.

Mine reply also got deleted that is also on the same lines on that thread.

Only 2 possibilities here:
1. Some posts/users reply were selectively reported.
2. Mods did not find that chipmixer discussion on "Yobit" signature thread as off topic

Two of my posts just got deleted. theymos responded my ban lifting topic where he said x number of posts were deleted in the last 6 months and he advised me to be more careful. It's a concern for me now that I do not post spams which I always ensure and make sure that I post constructive post.

I can assure the community that you will hardly find non constructive posts from me. But still my posts are being reported and I think it's from some selective members who have agenda with me.

My question is:
1. Does moderator check the reported post before they remove it?
2. What if someone target a user and keep reporting the topics not for spamming but for other reasons (may be off topic)
3. If a mod delete a post without reporting by anyone then does it also count for the numbers that is associated with banning a user?

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I am also in need of community feedback of the two post that was deleted in the last 20 minutes.

1.


2a. Do you think this was a spam?
2b. Do you think the response was off topic?

I guess it was deleted considering off - topic and in that case...

2c. Is this on topic?

2d. If you visit this topic then you will find a lot of off-topics posts if my one (1) was off-topic. If marlboroza's one is on topic then how is my one off-topic?
Archive: http://archive.is/fTNwO

2.


3a. Is this one spam?

I think it was removed again considering off-topic which leads me the same question again...
3b. Why mine is off topic when TryNinja, DarkStar_ and others did not considering off-topic?

@TryNinja, DarkStar_, I have no beef against you guys. Take it easy.

Thanks