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fuck obama, he should call putin.

Even if France doesn't want to openly align with Russia in this fight, they can come to some tacit understanding.
After all, they have a common enemy.
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What does it mean? US stop funding ISIS now? If you want to finish terrorism you have to stop funding them.
We all know US created ISIS, now it's their responsibility to destroy them.
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Obama is too busy planing his next vacation with the wife and kids, aint got no time fo dat.
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This won't make a change. You can bomb Iraq, Syria for hundreds of years. It will never help you beat terrorism.
It can only help grow different types of terrorism or groups of terrorists.

Yes, which is why when Hollande declared war, he didn´t call on assistance from NATO but the E.U. This is something quite new. Of course it´s understandable that the guy isn´t interested in more of bankrupt policies and actions which have in effect only helped terrorism and in some cases directly created it. He has to throw  Obomber  a  bone though but it doesn´t mean much.   Like before Obama isn´t going to do much to harm a creation of his own and of major U.S. vassal states in the area.
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This won't make a change. You can bomb Iraq, Syria for hundreds of years. It will never help you beat terrorism.
It can only help grow different types of terrorism or groups of terrorists.
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fuck obama, he should call putin.
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While it's absolutely appropriate for France to deliver some surgically targeted payback, I don't think the characterization that the attack was an "act of war" is good because you're dealing with individual cells rather than nation states.


a show of force in response of this attack is definitely needed but, an all out war might not be the best solution to this situation. it will create a huge burden on the already waek economy plus it might also create further instability within the state.
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While it's absolutely appropriate for France to deliver some surgically targeted payback, I don't think the characterization that the attack was an "act of war" is good because you're dealing with individual cells rather than nation states.


Which is precisely why he said it. U.S. officials did the same after 9/11. Called it an act of war. It´s promotion of war to the public. Typical warmonger stuff. When you´re running a country that´s a major arms producer and   exporter  you´re probably not particularly averse to war I guess, especially if armaments producers help fund your lame ass into politics.

The French armaments industry has been absolutely ballooning over the last years and needless to say, the Middle East is its most important region.
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While it's absolutely appropriate for France to deliver some surgically targeted payback, I don't think the characterization that the attack was an "act of war" is good because you're dealing with individual cells rather than nation states.
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This shows how bad and how poor Europe is. If Europe wants to be something, it should be able to invade Syria and the fix that IS problem all by itself. Maybe the French president doesn't know history. Some 100 years, Syria was under French control. I know France is no longer what it was, but Europe should be able to do what France was doing a century ago.

Maybe knowing history is a good way of not repeating it. European imperialism was bad enough the first time. No need to do it again.
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Terror is never going to go away. It will resurface in different forms.
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European diplomat says French president will try to impress on Obama that world cannot afford to wait for two-year war of attrition in wake of Paris attacks

François Hollande will plead with Barack Obama to show greater urgency in the fight against Islamic State when the presidents meet in Washington next week, warning of a state of emergency in Europe.....

Obama has a secret agenda, they will not influence him.
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This shows how bad and how poor Europe is. If Europe wants to be something, it should be able to invade Syria and the fix that IS problem all by itself. Maybe the French president doesn't know history. Some 100 years, Syria was under French control. I know France is no longer what it was, but Europe should be able to do what France was doing a century ago.
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Obama and Putin also already had sit together. I think IS make a big mistake last weekend. They woke up some more sleeping dogs. Probably they started there own destruction.

Yes, I´m sure that now every effort will be made to eradicate terrorism and abolish war and put weapons manufacturers out of business. Or maybe not.
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Obama and Putin also already had sit together. I think IS make a big mistake last weekend. They woke up some more sleeping dogs. Probably they started there own destruction.
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François Hollande will call on Obama to speed up fight against Isis and François Hollande will continue shoveling arms to Saudi Arabia, ISIS main sponsor and to the Middle-East war zones in general..

http://www.nationalinterest.org/feature/france-saudi-arabias-new-arms-dealer-13533

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Although France’s economy barely maintains positive GDP growth rates, its arms industry is booming. As the world’s fourth largest arms exporter (behind the United States, Russia, and China), France sold nearly double the amount of arms in the first five months of 2015 (more than $16 billion) than in all of 2014. From 2010 to 2014, 38 percent of French arms exports went to the Middle East, making it the most important region for the country’s arms industry (30 percent went to Asia; 13 percent to Europe; 11 percent to North and South America; and four percent to Africa). France’s arms sales for the first half of 2015 created more than 30,000 jobs— significant for a country grappling with record high unemployment.
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That is true that America had its role in escalating Syrian crisis. They are destabilizing Middle East for years. But Europe is to blame here too, EU politicians are crazy to openly invite millions of 'refuges'.
This will be never ending stream of immigrants if they won't cut it soon. They need to close the borders first and then fight with the ISIS.
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European diplomat says French president will try to impress on Obama that world cannot afford to wait for two-year war of attrition in wake of Paris attacks

François Hollande will plead with Barack Obama to show greater urgency in the fight against Islamic State when the presidents meet in Washington next week, warning of a state of emergency in Europe.

French officials have been careful not to openly criticise the US’s strategy in Syria and Iraq but believe Obama must be made aware of the extent of the refugee crisis it has caused, a European diplomat said on Wednesday.

“The message that we want to send to the Americans is simply that the crisis is destabilising Europe,” said the diplomat, who did not wish to be named. “The problem is that the attacks in Paris and the refugee crisis show that we don’t have time. There is an emergency.”

Noting the debate raging among governments over how to handle the biggest movement of people to Europe since the second world war, he added: “It’s the foreign fighters but it’s also the migrants crisis which is dividing the Europeans, destabilising the continent, so we have to act quickly, telling the US administration the core interests of the Europeans, your best allies, are at stake.”

As Paris reels from the terrorist attacks that killed 129 people last week, Hollande will try to impress on Obama that there is a need to act now and the world cannot afford to wait for a war of attrition that might take two years. Some insiders believe that America has been slow to appreciate the effects of millions of refugees pouring out of Syria, partly because the US is an ocean away and far less vulnerable.

The European diplomat said: “That’s the reason why the French president will be in Washington on Tuesday before flying to Moscow to meet President Putin.”

France wants world leaders to redefine the strategy for taking on Isis and give it a greater sense of urgency.

The diplomat indicated that Europe supported the broad effort to cut off funding and the supply line of foreign fighters to Isis, but he rejected any notion of sending in ground troops, commenting: “Isis is dreaming about having western forces against them.”

Elsewhere, John Kerry, the US secretary of state, who returned from Paris on Tuesday, attempted to manage international expectations. He told the Overseas Security Advisory Council in Washington: “Let me make this clear: we don’t have any illusions about how complicated this is. Most people don’t think that another invasion by Americans in yet another Muslim country in which the local citizens are not prepared to fight back and hold the land that you then gain makes a lot of sense, which is why our strategy – and there is a strategy and it is clear and it’s working, not as fast as anybody would like, but working.”


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-isis-hollande-france-obama
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