Topic: FRAUD WARNING (Read 4717 times)

i think could help to open a section on official site like

Fake BitFury Site/Account

so we are sure we are trading with the right persons!!!

thanks

thx

Dumb

The logic here is they (Black Arrow) used Bitfury on their website as part of the bait to lure me into their pre-order scam. The OPs point here is that there are companies out there using Bitfury to flog their scams and I'm saying yes companies are scamming using their chips/brand.

In reality it didn't matter what company I chose back last November, they were all scams I was doomed no matter what. BFL, HashFast, Cointerra, AMT, VMC, KnC, etc, every one of them a scam.

Is my logic really flawed? Are you saying I'm a retard for trying to invest in Bitcoin? Is Bitfury (KGB?) who only makes chips for themselves behind the pre-order scam conspiracy because it was the NSA who invented SHA-256? Am I fucking high or just dumb?
 

ROFL ... this is the LOL of the day !
So because u bought a HP laptop from your local IT store, and they refuse to fix your laptop, its HP fault ?

Cool logic dude !

 

The OP has a valid point, last November I was in the market for some Bitfury boards. They were sold out on every site except Megabigpower who only had bare chips. Too much R&D for a full-time wage slave like me.

In my quest for Bitfuries I ended up at Black Arrow who like everybody else was sold out of their Bitfury solution.

Seeing that they were producing real hardware all-be-it with another companies chips and were offering their own ASIC based miners three months down the road I paid over $5 for the Prospero X3: 2Th/s @ 1W/Gh/s, shipping date: 24 February 2014.

A year later I have nothing and they're refusing all refunds, fucking scammers. I hate these Romanian clowns and their Russian sock puppet engineer. They never would have got me if it wasn't for their use of Bitfury chips.

Wow, noob miners who have never heard of BitFury...

How much of the network is powered by BitFury hardware? (I know it's a big chunk)

+1

That comment indeed had nothing to do with what you posted

intron was quoting another user...
...but didn't actually hit the quote button

My 2cts: BitFury is fine (presuming they can launch their new chip and don't have to go for another round of investments) - the only thing that raises some eyebrows is how things are incorporated.. but then you need only look at Google, IKEA, Bausch+Lomb, and pretty much any other big company to realize they all set up little companies in other countries due to beneficial tax laws, employment laws, etc. and then move numbers about. So a B.V. registered in effectively virtual office space and no filings?  Not all that strange.  Doesn't help with transparency, I agree, but then... most of us don't even deal with them directly and the investors / large mining ops that do probably get all the access they need.

New to you maybe.

And your comment had nothing to do with what I posted. Gleb's comment that rammy2k2's tone brought BitFury down a notch is simply untrue.

ROFL ... noobs just trying to make posts i guess ... or they like to act smart(ass)

I would still be vary careful dealing with this company;
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We are a bit new here, aren't we?

Which, of course, is simply untrue. Thanks for trying though.

It's a shame that people who registered less than a year ago don't seem to know about BitFury or punin. Their 55nm miners were comparable to other people's 28nm product in terms of efficiency.

The good thing is that because they are low key not many people will fall for BitFury scam sites.

Thanks for your warning. I was just curious, did anyone get scammed because of the frauds?

exactly !!!

Why the worry about the real Bitfury being legit? Of course they are. They are the dominant player in ASIC design and the biggest builder of bitcoin mining DCs in the world. And besides, they no longer build mining gear for retail sale. They're strictly on an industrial/corporate level. If you don't have millions to invest, they're not interested in dealing with you in any capacity.

after getting screwed my first foray into bitcoin mining by AMT Miners i will never mess with bitcoins again. I lost $6k cash being an idiot. i wont do it again.

I agree that bitfury are a legitimate company. I have dealt with them in the past and although they had a premium price they delivered on time and had good quality miners.

You want to know what's funny. I was basically done with this thread seeing no reason for me to be here... That is until you showed up and posted, then all kinds of red flags rose, so I started me a diggin'.

http://our.windowfarms.org/members/niko/blogs/



http://our.windowfarms.org/

Finland fury plants = Bitfury?

Now, that TONE was 100% uncalled for. Your action just brought Bitfury down a notch.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/niko-punin/0/58/263

Go there and read the names on the right sidebar that's associated with Bitfury.

dude, shut up, i dealed with bitfury years ago, they were as legit as u can get ... punin just posted a warning and u try to move the discussion someplace else ... mind your own business

Yes, found it (I guess it's Niko Punin) but this is even more worrying; if I we search for more info about Bitfury at the Chamber of Commerce I see the holding bv has 1 employee, the Development bv has none (0, zero) and the R&D bv has also 1 employee. So where do all these other people fit into the "team"... (CEO, CTO, CFO - at least - are considered "employees" and who are they "chief" of?)

Sorry, but to me - personally - only more and more red flags arise...

And as I - already - said: nothing personal, but after being burned by BFL I am very, VERY careful who I deal with in bitcoinland. So these "issues" raised here should be dealt with before I would consider doing business with them.

Look at http://www.bitfury.com/team and search the net for "Punin". Although you are right about signature, I meant that this guy does not hide behind some anonymous handle. This is the only thing I meant to say.

First name?

Last name?

Only name?!?

Sorry, but that just does not seem to me to be a good way of signing as a "Head of Product Development" (of a 2 - or maybe even 1 - man show)...

I have my own company with a similar (holding) structure. Since I am "proud" of that (read: don't have anything to hide or "be afraid of") I sign my "official statements" like this:

Drs. Slobodan Bogovac MBA
Directeur Grootaandeelhouder (DGA)
Bogovac & Bogovac bv

FYI: Punin is his real name AFIK

I would still be vary careful dealing with this company;

If you search for them in the Trade Register (at: http://www.kvk.nl/zoeken/#!zoeken&q=bitfury&index=4&site=kvk2014&start=0 ) you'll notice the holding comprises of three "entities":
1. Bitfury Holding B.V. at the Barbara Strozzilaan 201 in Amsterdam,
2. Bitfury R&D B.V. also at the Barbara Strozzilaan 201 in Amsterdam, and
3. Bitfury Development B.V. at the De Klenckestraat 9 in Almere

a. B.V. means: private LLC (so there is no liability beyond the company's assets if the proverbial shit hits the fans), and
b. The main tenant/owner of the adres: Barbara Strozzilaan 201 in Amsterdam is a company called spaces.nl who "offer offices for companies of all sizes" and the number listed at the Chamber of Commerce for Bitfury (+31(0)20-2402400) is the reception of said company (spaces.nl). And the other address (De Klenckestraat 9 in Almere) is "just" a house (see: https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.3884259,5.2617386,3a,75y,347.8h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sreHKm5zecY9ABPSgUruVEQ!2e0 ).

So if we dig further into the financials of this company (at that same Trade Register / Chamber of Commerce) we see that all three companies have not filed (not one) Annual report (which is mandatory on an annual basis for a B.V. / LLC). This could be "perfectly normal" for a company that has been founded in 2014 or even 2013 (although the bitfury website states: "Established in 2011"), but still... Does not allow for a lot of confirmation -> trust.

Then, if we look at the individual companies we see the holding has a whopping 1 employee, the Development bv has none (0, zero) and the R&D bv has also 1 employee. So I wander how much Research and development is going on between these 2 (or maybe the same, so 1) people goes on, without some serious finances (see previous point) to back them (him) up... Further more; this is in total contradiction of what their own website states when you take a look at the "team"...

Lastly the user "punin" takes great care into his signature to mention he's 'Head of Product Development [of] Bitfury Holding B.V. [linking] www. bit fury .com but "forgets" to sign with his real name... All in all not really "reassuring".

Sorry dude, nothing personal. But after being burned by BFL I am very, VERY careful who I deal with in bitcoinland.

Well, you fucked up, bud! If you would have operated nefariously like BFL, you wouldn't have people sitting up fake sites to steal away your customers. If I'm not mistaken, only one person made such a mistake mimicking BFL till he came to his senses wondering what the fuck he was thinking and trying to accomplish by representing a scam outfit via a scam outfit. Next time don't be so viable and you wouldn't have these worries.

/s 

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FRAUD WARNING
There is a growing number of Internet sites using the “BitFury” name, purporting to represent BitFury and positioning themselves as official information resources for BitFury. These fraudulent web sites do not have our permission to represent us. We believe that their sole purpose is to defraud our customers and partners.
BitFury reserves the right to take legal action to stop fraudulent activities conducted by dishonest market players. BitFury does not assume any responsibility for potential risks related to the use of any information posted at any non-BitFury web site. These web sites are NOT official information resources for BitFury or its subsidiaries. If you receive any commercial offers from companies whose web site names were made up to resemble the domain names of the BitFury group of companies, please report such facts to us at:  [[email protected]]. The official site of Bitfury is www.bitfury.com or www.bitfury.org.

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