Topic: Free markets can not exixting in the world (Read 207 times)

Yes, it is very common to hear but very few people accomplish it and mostly people from other countries do it so they don't have any problem in doing such things. But it's fun when they do what they say.  This is the main reason due to which both the government and the people are corrupt and the people keep themselves alive to harm others for the sake of their conscience. If the government does its work honestly, this will not happen in any country and people will be well.  Yes, if you look back 10 years from today, everything is proven from today.  And in those days everyone lived well and with quality and the government used to be good. When the government has not been able to provide that thing till date, how will it see us, if this thing starts happening, there will be no problem. And such a thing is found in very few countries.  And by the way you are absolutely right. But we only think which government will come and destroy our people.

you need to understand that if a Hungarian emissary negociates he does it for his country.
If a US emissary negociates he too does it to benefit his country.

Only nowadays its a crime to benefit.

You'll find much more sense in the world and useful responses when you learn to cut to point, as it is so difficult to diagnose what you're trying to say. What does come across is you make some rather broad assumptions and project your own personalized view on to the world that seems to be vastly out of sync with what most people face. There are very few places where free markets exist and that is probably a good thing. Broadly free but well regulated markets are what every government should be aiming to get, because capitalism inherently culminates in a monopoly. If one company can out perform others and grow to such a size where they can start absorbing companies that might threaten them, then they need to be kept in check by a more powerful force.

I am not living in the U.S so I don't really know how the U.S policy works, but as far as I know, U.S. is indeed has a big influence in global markets, but all controlled by the U.S. is just a bit of an exaggeration. Most countries, especially those comprising the European Union, are taking eager steps towards regulating tech giants such as Apple, Google, and Amazon. For example, the Digital Markets Act adopted by the EU is supposed to ban any monopolistic practice and generate competition through tougher regulations these companies will have to follow. The U.S. also isn't letting things slide; it's raising the stakes in antitrust actions with cases against Google and Meta impelled by the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission. In fact, it shows that even within the U.S., there is pushback against its own tech giants.

The idea is that the U.S. is standing in the way of other countries' prosperity with free markets, which is not true, either. Consider China and the European Union: many have worked out their own systems and regulations in ways to create and promote local innovations, to avoid monopolies. China, for example, has nurtured tech companies like Tencent and Alibaba that in many ways are the rivals of U.S. giants. Of course, the truth is that the influence does reach very far indeed; yet it is far from the truth to say the rest of the world has no choice but to passively wait for whatever comes out of the United States.

I do not know how the government works in the US because maybe the difference in the country of residence and the law is always a problem because maybe they can be paid or bribed to lighten someone who gets a sentence. Every leader is seen differently by everyone, pros and cons have become a habit for both camps of supporters. The US has become a strong country that has influence in almost many countries and it is the ideal of most countries to rule.

Politics cannot be separated from morals even though the perpetrators of interests do something beyond their capabilities. When faced with power they forget that the mandate given by the community must be utilized as well as possible. However it still speaks to seize power and whoever is strong will become the leader and power and money cannot be separated in its journey.

First, you get it all wrong. The world is not a level playing field, and everybody does not have the same opportunities, but everybody has to make do with what they have. That is capitalism, and that is a free market economy. Do you think Facebook started as the biggest social media site? Or did Amazon start with a $1.8 trillion market cap? They started like every other start-up you might be thinking of that should compete with them but couldn't. The difference is they did things differently. It can be better service, product, funding, management or marketing etc. It could be tons of different things that set them apart.

Now they've grown so big and that gives them the advantage. They have better experience and resources to navigate the market and get better so they can all be relevant or at the top.
The fact that a person is smarter doesn't mean he deserves to be competing with these guys, there are things he needs to do.
How superior is his product or services to these guys?
How about his funding, marketing, management and so many other factors that determine a great product?

Pardon my ignorance for this. I heard the news that he got arrested, and I did some reading on the accusations and allegations, but this something new to me.

Can someone enlighten me with this? What's the correlation of this case with politics and economy of USA?

I'll give you my personal opinion. Your assumption may be valid for critical markets, but not for mass solutions. Today, there are a lot of analogs of the same Amazon, a lot of local services of different scales....
I understand the desire of the state to secure critical markets, such as oil, nuclear fuel, weapons. But these are specific markets that have no consumers on a global scale. So, in my opinion, your assumption, if there is any, does not apply to mass products.
 And if you study the market, many countries regulate, subsidize and support their suppliers of such services, and the US is only one of those countries.

Free markets are very rarely beneficial to the average person because they ultimately lead to consolidation and a monopoly. Markets need to be regulated in the most effective way to ensure that competition can exist, plus sometimes the profits need to be regulated by the government because companies have a natural tendency to be greedy if they don't get put in line. You talk about America abusing it's position but there will always be one country in the world that has an edge over all others, but at least America has the pretense that it pretends to be democratic in comparison to somewhere like China that tries to be as opaque and hidden as possible. There will always be a big dog and currently it seems like the best worst option.

I see your analysis is couched in the view that world markets are at the beck and call of the US and that it runs world affairs to its favor. So you mean to say that the US understandably would like to make the global market less competitive and reduce the rise of any high-end service or innovation that would fiddle with its key players, in this instance, Facebook or the Wall Street institutions?. You write that senior executives, whom you believe to be not particularly innovative or competent, use their power and resources to hold on to that power and authority including guard and military power. You further mention that for the U.S. to stop competing and maintain its economic efficiency alongside its military efficiency, drastic measures are called for. That, of course, required the use of foreign talent, notably German engineers, who could apply their expertise gained during World War II to advance its technological and military potential. In those days, you saw the hegemony of the US. and world power by Britain.

The Soviets didn't want that either, and they were much stricter and less permissive with their markets. The result? The Soviets produced far less at a higher cost compared to the Americans. Consequently, they came to recognize that a portion of the market needs to be free for them to enjoy prosperity.

As for the US viewing other nations as servants... it depends on how you define it. The US had the majority of the capital after World War II, giving it a tremendous advantage. Even after about 90 years, the US still holds most of the world's wealth, especially with the dominance of Big Tech being centered there. Needless to say that the American elite control the global reserve currency.

For usa it's easy they just make offer and buy the world since they control dollar.
You as some very influencial person ....well usa can offer you deal you get 10 mansions and bank account full of money ....If that's not what you accept since money is nothing for them they can give you 30 mansions and 10 times more money on your bank account...well then you might accept and you do understood If you refuse you will be enemy of not just usa but all the world, but since it's not based on honour or respect ....while you change your mind and accept the offer then you will be good person again not the dictator anymore and your "bad status" will be erased removed and off course Putin can always make deal If Putin want to change himself usa is waiting anyone and If Putin does that all the western media Will clean up the Putin reputation and putin will be accepted again by usa the USA don't take it personally for usa everytjing is just business.

For example look the famous drug cartels who been arrested by FBI If you cooperate and snich on your own people aswell you don't get punished and you willing to give money to USA and it's not small money .... it's not about morals the USA don't care about morals or that you do good things or bad guys like trump have very expensive lifestyle and no matter from where or how the money must come in always for them.
So If Putin changes his mind even If he kill more people usa is always ready to deal because usa It's not about morals or what is right or wrong but only about profit and money and power.

Every regime definitely wants to control many things and it is not only talking domestically because they even try to influence other countries for their power. Power has a nomenclature and almost nothing is eternal in its level of influence because in the end it will be replaced by another power. But because of the greed of the regime, it tries to manipulate the system to make its regime survive. If you look at history, almost everything was destroyed even though the glory days were arguably quite long and that is proven throughout the world.

The presence of the government should be able to provide something that is quite beneficial for the people in it. Not eroding anything that is considered to be an advantage for them and that is a corrupt regime that does not deserve to be given the opportunity to lead.

Ok pavel durov news show's exacly that you can't compete with big guys.
Now i guess he need to cooperate or jail.
I got your point exacly usa will destroy all the competation more survelaince and laws and rules.

We have free markets but not exacly free the usa want to control everything not just in usa but all over the world.
Imagine this,If someone make Facebook ....or Amazon kind of website but even better and less restricted then it will take market share away that's the free and equal market where everybody can compete with each other with fair rules .....but USA don't like that.
For example If Im the some kind of service provider and my service not even the best one and then there will be someone who makes better product or service well it means i lose my power then i lose my influence and income.....in this case let's say Im the facebook owner.... it's not me who lose power and money but also those who are associated with my service or product.
Another example the wall street: nyse and sp500 If there is so many alternative ways and more techically developed services and products...well it takes again quite a lot away from market share.

In the world everything is peacful until nobody don't try to show any will to be powerful more than USA.
It's the usa top richest families who want to enjoy the world most of the resources and wealth....look at NYC there living world richest people and they have money.
The USA see other nations as servants...and they are not interested about any free market because that would make those who are smarter or better to win they might create better services and better systems then USA has the banking the cryptocurrenciey exchangers and all the others... those who are in power now don't like that.
And If you are better on something then usa will always hire you and you work for USA and usa will brag about this idea to all over world but little do the world knows that idea was developed out of USA.
That's why the cia and fbi are all over the world to protect monopoly of usa
(so god bless america and let's bring the democratic rule all over the world )

So the current regime knows the only way to protect monopoly and one family power is to place control all over the world more over the people to track each of your moves and making you to obey for more rules....non of that would not happening If the elite feel fear that other people want get power aswell.

I understood very well about guys like George Bush and all the others ....they are not very talented of anything and not educated of anything useful with skills .....so they know If world will be eqaul playground with equal opportunities then nobody don't need to hold food on the table who does not have value for the rest of the society....so in otherwords in usa there is a lot OLDSCHOOL style guys whos not very innovative and smart they can't even calculate easy numbers on their head ...but they want good life and they want to have wealth and only way they can Do it it's by power and If they don't know something or no skills they just pay for skilled people with dollar.
So the subject like dollar lose power it's serious matter and it Sounds like you are going to take food from the people who are in power becouse of dollar ...this is so serious that could trigger nuclear war when usa will strike first and interupt other countries military system because most of the Parts of all the weapons around the world are from germany or usa so usa knows very very well about other countries system like russia.
Btw.... All the USA military system and equipment are built by germany enginers who usa took on payroll after ww2
So If anyone tell thats UK who control world that's wrong the USA is number one and UK is number 2 but UK act Under the USA authority