Topic: Future and current Humanity, Bitcoin, Gold and Fiat. (Read 509 times)

the ability of gold in investment is indeed very large and recognized by many people because gold has been known by many people and in a very long period of time and nothing is impossible in investment if the crypto currency is known and needed by many people may also investment can be like gold who already have superiority and trust in the wearer

They love the idea of having a blockchain, as they have seen the usefulness of it, it's potential and how it can make transparent for transactions, so government really used to love and to adopt it, for crypto, yes not yet for now, but time will come government will adopt this too, as the technology is continuously rising, so we cannot deny this fact and they will have no control of it that the innovation of currency will be made someday.

When you say about humanity as well as economy then it just like two different thing in a single frame, It's true that no economy could run based on the humanity so not Gold or Bitcoin market does not depend on the humanity, it's a totally different issue, if we become proper human then we don't have any problem, but we are always running after money and personal interest, so Gold, Fiat even Bitcoin can't solve our problem until we could not be a proper human, I don't believe that only economic policy or fiat or Bitcoin bring any improvement unless we could change our mind, Our future is in our hand, so at first we have been changed then everything will be changed.

in fact, the United States is a country that can change the whole picture of the whole world. In their country, there are many unicorn businesses and they have a great influence on the outside world.
so the dollar is high and I believe it will be like that in the future and bitcoin or gold will depend on the US dollar a lot.

The governments are starting to acknowledge the blockchain technology but not the cryptocurrencies. Many governments are not even acknowledging Bitcoin, the closest cryptocurrency to the growing blockchain technology. They are taking what they can make use of and benefit from and then leave behind what they think is not going to preserve or even increase their power and authority.

If nothing goes wrong and if the government will accept and acknowledge the blockchain technology from the cryptocurrencies then I think we will be heading into a bright future. There is a lot of talented and genius people around the world that are waiting for opportunities to maximize their knowledge and if we will utilize those people, I think our world will become so advanced.

We can take that gold has been served the mankind very well from the past until now, but we are now in the digital age where rapid innovation takes place and we should take advantage of the technologies that are worthy enough to help us make our lives easier. In terms of acceptance and adoption, there's not much issues concerning recognition by humanity as cryptocurrency is not forcing itself to be accepted by the people. The only obstacles that it has is about being accepted by most government. It lacks support in some countries that makes it hard for crypto to be further develop.

I agree with you that all in the future there will be such problems either from Fiat, gold and digital currency cryptocurrency.
Only the cryptocurrency still takes time to be legitimate and supported government in some countries so that the distribution or transaction can be more secure as the Fiat you say.
Recently China adopted the blockchain and we are just waiting for another country to adopt them in order that cryptocurrency is in the eyes of the community and make future economic problems can be resolved.

Wealth doesn't have to be equal, nobody really should be rich like all together, that is not quite possible and shouldn't be done. What is possible is a fair economy with good regulations and taxes that allows people to live a comfortable live at the worst of finances.

Just to give an example, if oil companies and banks and what not didn't bribed the politicians in USA and politicians didn't accepted the money then right now we would have bad oil business and banks with fair tax paying instead of putting all their money in panama, which would result with billions upon billions of dollars all going into taxes and that would allow government to either get less taxes from the poorest (one guy paying 10 million dollar extra tax could equal to thousands upon thousands of people paying almost zero tax) or they could just help people out like medicare for all.

Blockchain is going to one of the futuristic technology on which bitcoin is running and other cryptos as well so we are not yet ready for the development we achieved with cryptos so the technology and knowledge of users needs to be evolved more to accept cryptos but comparing cryptos with gold is also a stupid thing both has no reason to be compared other than its expensiveness which really got from its worth.

The world is currently in great need of people who has the ability to change the current system of the world. The fiat everyone is using today is full of lie, we spend it in many ways but the truth is only those who are in the higher table gets to benefit from it. We act like we are their slaves, working hard everyday just to survive from the expenses we are tied up to pay. If we want real change, we should let a new system take over the world so that we can live on better economy and a better system.

Sure it can, question is, should it be done? You have mentioned the afterlife, I think we, as a species, should let the utopian ideas exactly where their place is, in churches, mosques and fables. Pursuit for recreation of this mythical paradise of equality, can only lead us to the opposite, that is hell. Exactly what we see today, with all those egalitarian movements ramping over majority to "save" minorities, as an outcome we are ending up in a clown world. World full of ridiculous restrictions, like the coffee conundrum OP posted.
Demo-liberalism is a false religion, that needs to be forgotten, otherwise propagation of socialism may inherently lead us in to "matrix" like reality. Not many people realise that Karl Marks, actually described the future of our world exactly like the movie portrays. Total liberation in the grasp of a machine, is nothing different form absolute enslavement.         

maybe it is not the time for crypto to be an investment tool equivalent to gold because we know that gold has become an investment tool even as a means of purchasing along with the times and many people are familiar with gold and fiat currencies but crypto currencies might also be like that if needed along with the development of technology that demands all to become digital currencies

I understand that crypto trading is really fast and convenient, saving transaction costs. That is its positive side. But about the negative?
Where will the historical significance of fiat money, the extent of the country's potential assessment and other political factors go?
Cryptocurrencies are really beneficial for humanity now but it should only be applied in some areas. I think that is the best solution.

I’m not really getting your point here. Why do you now blame the schools for something that doesn’t has to do with them? The government set the rules and schools, you just go thereto learn, they were not the ones that said that you have not pay up to that for double spending. If you feel that is too much then you should stop double spending and start splitting your orders so you don’t have to pay extra. Even you thinking that bitcoin is going to be a savior is wrong as well.

If cryptocurrency is going to replace the current system we are making use of now, then that means that everything about it is going to change. The government will start to regulate it just as they regulate conventional currencies, and that means a lot of things are going to be changed. You wouldn’t pay low fees anymore for the transaction, and there wouldn’t be anything as anonymity again. And the world switching to cryptocurrency doesn’t mean that you wouldn’t have to pay taxes any longer, nah you will still pay them, because then it will be regulated by the government and there is no way you can escape paying tax.

So, don’t think that cryptocurrency will be anything better than the Fiat we are using now. I will prefer that things remain the way they are, because I don’t want the government to take over cryptocurrencies.

The reality is curious: it is difficult to say what is better. According to experts, nowadays modern money by itself is not provided with anything material. However, exchange rates are constantly changing in relation to each other. Cryptocurrencies have become the leaders of growth and fall. But, as the history of the value of various precious metals shows, they are also not stable. Once, gold was worth about 2 thousand dollars per ounce, and then it fell almost twice.

Technology doesn't bring too much improvement to humans itself, it brings improvements to humans lives. We can see even right now in 2019 that there are people who are racist just like 1950's for example, the world has changed so much in the past 70 years but those people are still saying the same thing. Or people in china trying to control over Hong Kong, that is decades old situation which started to happen once again.

Hence, I think technology can change peoples lives but it can't change people itself, you have to have a total cultural change for that to happen and neither bitcoin nor gold and not even fiat can achieve that, it is at the hands of politicians to change the culture by implementing hardcore laws but considering they are getting paid by corporations or focusing on the vocal people for votes, that doesn't seem likely.

Talking about the future is talking about prediction and a series of simulation of development and role of a human in this process. Now is the digital age and the next year will be increasingly sophisticated. Technology will make humans life easier, many human roles will be replaced by robots, the education we carry from elementary school to college is no longer relevant and we will look for what makes us able to survive in this digitalized world.

All agree that development must not exclude the humanity, what must be built in the quality of human resources, especially character education from an early age technological development is a must but many aspects of humanity cannot be replaced by robots like love, affection, curiosity & creativity. So habituation of positive characters according to religion and creativity-based education is needed as early as possible to prepare for the digital age.

In the future economy, bitcoin will find its heyday, although in the end gold remains the best medium of exchange.

Gold has served people for thousands of years, so there definitely isn't anything 'too old' about it. People will more and more appreciate hard assets such as gold the more digitalized the world becomes.

Gold is pretty much the only smaller physical object that allows people to store a lot of their wealth in it. Gold won't be going anywhere. A lot of Bitcoiners seem to be out to diversify their holdings into gold when their high price target is met.

It depends on the actual definition of a currency, but putting it against fiat currencies, Bitcoin doesn't stand a single chance today. How will you serve the mass with 5 transactions per second?

It's just going to be a digital store of value and transfer of value. Characteristics of gold, but then more convenient.

Gold has proven its worth really but I think that it is already getting too old, and needs to be replaced by a digital asset and this is where bitcoin will function perfectly, as a digital asset, After all government claims that bitcoin cannot be a currency, and if they dint want it has currency, they should not worry because we have got that one too covered, it can also serve as digital store of value that would later replace gold in the future.

I know that there are going to be so many people that will doubt this, but time will tell, as bitcoin keeps growing, most people you see prefers to just old it than even use it and I think because it is easier to access than gold, people embraces it a lot, and this is why I believe that in future it could replace gold.

In any case, gold was valued throughout the entire existence of mankind.  I think that gold has proven its worth, while cryptocurrencies still have a lot to go through, including not only legalization, but also real recognition by humanity.

I can’t even understand how fiat money can be uncomfortable for people today.  Of course, for us who spend almost more of their life on computer monitors, spend on cryptocurrency exchanges, cryptocurrencies are most suitable as a means of payment.  But we must understand that most of humanity is not yet ready to use cryptocurrency.  And regarding gold, then this precious metal will be valuable at all times.

Says who, probably you are from America, that is why you are making all these statement, because if you know what trump is doing to other countries you will not be saying this now, it was when Clinton and Obama was still in  power that I could attest to all these that you are saying but ever since trump assumed power, it has been really hell for most countries and they are becoming unfriendly day by day, which is why their dollar might be losing value very soon and probably china will take over.

Recently, I heard that Nigeria was going to dump the coin and then partner with china to use Yuan if not because their legislative never approved it, by now, the dollar would have become like a toilet roll in their country same as it will be in my country soon.

That is why we live in an imperfect world, if the world was perfect, then Jesus would not have promised us of his second coming where he would come to cleanse the earth, then we can have these equality, but as long as we are living in this world, we will never find that, we can only try our best individually.

Wealth can never be distributed equally, and it is even against the law of economic, because if wealth is created equally, we may not have much development as we see now, because people will feel too proud to work at factory, go to farm and many more things the less privileged people do to get money, imagine we are all in the same position as the wife of the president, do you think president trumps wife can ever do anything like farming.

I feel some sort of an aggression in your posts. I honestly am a bit more down to earth and try look at things without being overly biased to either support or reject a certain stance.

It sucks that wealth inequality exists, but if you zoom out, and then I mean go back hundreds or even thousands of years, the wealth inequality we have today isn't all that different from what people were subject to back then.

Wealth inequality is even something that plays a role of importance in the animal kingdom. How can we combat something humans and even animals are 'programmed' to do? It will never change.

The growing population isn't the problem here, how the economy works is.  There's more to it than the supply and demand of fiat to see if the economy is really sufficient for the human population because you cannot really just print more money to solve the problem as you will just make things worst. That's why the best solution is to develop your country more by reducing the unemployment rate, creating more projects, and increasing the literacy rate in order for your people to have jobs in the future the best possible outcome is you squeeze the current circulating supply of money as it also increases it's value even though the supply is limited. Developing the country more is the way to go for the citizens to have a part of the current supply we have now.

This was a loooooong read, I understood maybe half of it and I didn't get most of it I am not going to lie. However, for the parts I can understand, this is a Canadian problem that you have to split your orders, in other countries they add the tax in the price, so lets say you will buy something for 2 dollars, the owner of the shop pays for the tax, so he is not selling for 2 dollars, he is selling for 2 dollars minus the tax and the buyer just pays 2 dollars.

I have heard similar stories in USA as well, you see 9.99 as price of something but when you go to cashier you pay 12-13 dollars or whatever the tax is. Hence, I think the problem of split bill or whatever could be solved via just adding the tax into the prices, that way shop owner would pay the tax, not the buyer.

In the afterlife, we, it would seem, will not need our wealth. But in this life, this is an eternal problem that can hardly ever be solved in fairness. Probably, Jesus Christ did not see a fair solution to the distribution of wealth either, who supposedly only said that he had to give Caesar - Caesarean, and God - God. Socialists tried to interfere with this problem in their own way, but even this turned out to be a dead end option for the development of mankind. People are different and therefore it is impossible to equalize them in wealth.

Well we are not going back to the gold standard that is for sure, we are going to the time/duration and cryptography standard for about 50-100 years. However even further into the future humans will abolish all money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQQYbKT_rMg It will happen, in order for us to go from solar system 1 to solar system 2, we will have to rid money of the equations and become a resource team supply economy. We will still use cryptography to count our supply`s of precious metals, food and populations.  It won`t be like today I know my race will win because the only other options are a loss, certain extinction of our species. We are the last humans left, as far as we know, everything on this planet is a endangered species, for we know our sun is going to blow.

We should already all have food water and shelter, but a few greedy at the "top", stop all our progress, same with many bullshit laws we must rid our lives of. Just know the afterlife is inverted and all those who enslaved us at the bottom, will become the bottom and we will be on the top after all.  They will serve us forever, As we are the ones granted with immortal tricks and they will eternally give us all their treats. It will be the reverse of what is here, except here time is limited, and there inverted we got unlimited time to yank the chains of those who yanked ours.

I know I been shown everyone`s blockchains, connected we are one. I am actually you reading this right now, you just don`t know it, yet.

Gold perma bulls aren't really that different from Bitcoin perma bulls. Both camps consider their asset to be the solution to all problems and that it will replace every form of money and everyone will have a prosperous future.

The problem is that even if we end up going back to a gold standard, we already know that central banks will continue creating more units than they have gold to back it. In other words, it's not a solution to anything.

I'm not even that anti fiat as long as the monetary foundation at which it is built doesn't drain our purchasing power too much. One example of a decent fiat currency is the Swiss Franc. Switzerland shows that it is possible to not screw people over too much.

It sucks, in order to live even if we are vegans or not, we still take other life forms lives, plants or meat we feast on, out of greed for our own life to live, we are willing to kill another thing or each other.
But some people go beyond that, and take more than they need. They will see the consequences of their actions in others life chains, when they die.

"Control yourself
Take only what you need from it
A family of trees wanted to be haunted"


"Maybe that issue will be solved in the afterlife (that's if it exists) but for now, i don't believe so"

Look around you yesyes18, creation begets creation, it is blatantly in our faces so we miss it, kind of how most do not understand fiat is a scam yet but will.
In order for this life, there must of been a past life, where did the data come from your heart to beat? and you to breath? did you program that? you did not obtain self awareness until 4-5 but most don`t truly even ever get it.



The question is solved, we should be using time/duration coins made at a fair rate, and each be 1 vote on the network that runs the network, that is decentralization. just need some assholes to stop scamming us and come out and tell the truth, or dumdums to wake up and smell the roses. We are all going to see it all anyways on blockchain of life time. If our world leaders had any balls, they would speak up.

like what is this shit? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914960046133249

No thanks, no point in trying to get ahead in this system, I just fund war machines, fuck it man, I gave up years ago, just end me ^_^ or fix the shit ^_^. My farm for the past few years feeds the nature, they deserve it more than my race. I gave you guys billions upon billions of pounds of food and got shit on left right and center, fuck your monopoly money.

Well we could have real educations now with blockchain.

Using cryptography and AI, not only can the order of the questions be different, but the questions themselves can be re worded using "rewording/renumbering ai" (I forget the name for it, it`s made already tho)
all test will be unique to see if someone actually qualify`s in their field and a decentralized non biased teacher "AI" will judge the student so employers actually know that the person knows their stuff.

Instead of this shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_college_admissions_bribery_scandal

It will be called blockSCHOOL or blockEDUCATION

If you as rational person have a portfolio consisting of Bitcoin for the upside and Gold for the stability and durabilty, I think you're doing a pretty decent job in taking distance from a system that's continuously decreasing your purchasing power. Governments have been stacking massive amounts of Gold throughout the last years.

Governments aren't stupid. They know that their phony money isn't going to last so they stack up Gold while everyone is still accepting fiat money in exchange for their Gold. It's a hedge against their own sucky monetary policy. If that isn't enough evidence for you to start hedging fiat, I don't know what will be.

Even if you hedge just 25% of your net worth as risk averse fiat saver, that's still better than nothing. 

Well, It is the world order we live in. You are born, raised at a strange system that teaches us how to 'work' as a worker. We ain't raised as 'thinkers'. I think that's a big problem and that puts us to the world we live now on.
The people who realize things and actually 'think' is a small group (estimated 2% of the whole world population). They are the rich who decide most things we do right now. It isn't only politics or laws what decides.

The rich decides aswell, they decide the stock market, indexes etc.. It varies depending on how It's generally on the market. Life isn't easy but also not hard, It is what YOU make of it. If you have a good job where you earn 100k a year and live in a country with low inflation, well who gives a damn about the prices. You need to invest in yourself and need to build an empire to survive. That's how it works these days.

For example, you earn 100k dollars a year. You spend 12k to your rent, 4.8k for food, 2.4k for clothes and an additional 10k for vacations a year.
Well with this calculation, you save 70.8k a year.

As I mentioned before, just invest in yourself and your money. Get better at your job, get certificates and follow courses if needed.

I think the fact that all these things help you buy the good things in life means they are going to be here for a long long time.
But at the same time things might get obsolete sooner or later , for example in the ancient times people used to use gold for trading and all and slowly they realized they need to use a currency and eventually we started finding alternatives and money was here and currency is evolving timelessly and I don't see why we won't be able to see an era where cryptocurrencies are the new Fiat..

You're asking a question with a million dilemma buddy. Can wealth ever be equitable in this world we're in? The world we're in has so many unfairness and the issue about money and wealth inequalities is a always a topic for another day. Maybe that issue will be solved in the afterlife (that's if it exists) but for now, i don't believe so.

And what does this had to do with your coffee problem? School systems are built to give you the most basic education you need to receive for you to have a job they are not built for you to grow up and not let you decide for yourself because after you graduate you cannot blame them for your own decision making because you are an independent person free of thinking. The same thing can be said with out religion it's just your faith and beliefs it doesn't limit you on what you can do with your life and you can't blame them for having poor decisions with your life. Because the way I see it is you don't even need to buy coffee from them in the first place if you can make it on your own, why feed them more money if you can be heard by not buying their cups of coffee anymore?

Ah, come on....inflation has made the penny near worthless, and Canada was smart to stop minting them IMO.  There's been debate as to whether the United States ought to do likewise, since it apparently costs more than $0.01 to make a penny--and it shouldn't even be debatable!  It really isn't a big deal and I don't think the average person is going to spend a whole lot more if there are no more pennies around.


I agree with the above 100%, though religion is a LOT less influential these days than it was, say, 60 years ago or more.  I do think there ought to be more math and science taught starting at an early age and that critical thinking skills ought to be emphasized rather than the ability to regurgitate facts about history and soft sciences.


That's typical precious metal permabull rhetoric, the kind you can read every day on coinflation.com articles.  There's no need for society to be on a gold standard anymore, regardless of how much money is being printed.  It's archaic and unnecessary.

This your curiosity I think is also in the mind of many. I think in my own opinion the reason I could adduce is because US dollar is one country that has done so many humanity project including allowing different regions of people into there country, that means the medium of financial exchange has to be in dollar. That begins to build to up in different spheres of life including international trade and exchange. Apart from being among the world powers, US tend to play a big brother role etc. I think they have a liberal mindset. My thinking , might be wrong well...

The USA is not the whole world. Other states continue to live and back up their paper money with gold and foreign exchange reserves. If all states acted like the US government in 1971, chaos would have set in the world. I already wonder why the dollar is still the world currency and is popular without being backed by gold or another recognized asset.
Gold has existed for thousands of years, while cryptocurrency lasts only ten years. We do not yet know in which direction our financial system will develop further and how firmly cryptocurrency will take its place in it.

Hello fellow humans, My name is irrelevant but the message I bring is not. I am not here to make any more fiat money or bitcoin or here for any merit or reputation, I just here to give my two senses about economics, common and logical, not to many people use these now a days.

I blame the school systems and religions for they teach people what to think and not how to. I will not be giving my two cents because we don`t even have cents in circulation in the country I reside in (Canada), Which makes no sense.

Like What is this?
I pay 6$ for 3 coffee`s (I split my orders)
most pay $6.45 for the same thing (they get double taxed not splitting orders)
 
https://i.imgur.com/kVm7NzX.png proof of being ripped off, sorry the picture is bad, $2.00 for 1 coffee, $6.45 for 3.

A double tax for spending more money?  I understand people won`t be able to sell items at the dollar store if you double tax the cheaper items, but why punish the people buying more items or charging more for quality products? This has to be the most bullshit double tax in the history of humanity.

Since this picture they upped the price a little, now I lose 2 cents dust every time I go to buy two coffee`s because it is $4.03, and we can`t give them $4.03 we have to give them $4.05 because we round up, because we don`t have cents or the penny like we used to because of inflation the penny`s metals is actually worth 5 cents to make. So guess what I still split my coffee`s and get them both for $4.00 instead of $4.05 or $6.50 if I get 3, I split them all for 6 still. I lose dust every transaction or the business's I deal with do.

^ I know future generations are going to look at this and be like wtf were these people smoking, because I still am.


Anyways before I get into bitcoin I want to talk about fiat a little more, in fact just watch the first 9 minutes of this please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LszOt51OjXU Bitcoin Beyond the bubble

So now I hope you understand why bitcoin is around, our money used to be backed by gold before Nixon en$laved us all, he did not want to be JFK 2.0ed in 1971.
Roosevelt stole pretty much all the gold anyways with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 Executive Order 6102 required all persons to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, all but a small amount of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve.

Now they print money out of thin air, it`s called fiat, in unlimited amounts, while the rest of us work for it. We give our limited time for their unlimited supply, and here is the kicker they tax us on it, 30% here where I live.
So that is 130% of my work I give for free, for some delusional monopoly money.
We are endless $laves to fiat and they turned all the real worlds wealth (gold) into something no different than monopoly money.
Bitcoin solves us being unlimited $laves, by only being a certain amount of it that cannot be duplicated and not being able to be made out of thin air, They also cannot just steal it from us in person like they did before, they need to know our key.

They had to stop backing the money with gold because they were fractional reserve banking, banks were spending money they did not even have, spending others moneys. That is why you see all these banker bailouts.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Jonny1000thetimes.png Genesis block message.

But anyways, I found a problem with limited supplies in a huntercoin alt blockchain coin.

It shows the ending of mining and what happens and what is happening. It is a simulation of bitcoin and gold.
So "fiat" might actually be good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7TLFyK_3Pk The simulation explained a little.

Now I am not saying the current fiat is good, if anything it`s a $cam, but we could make a fiat that is legit and backed by time and distribute the supply equally amongst all participants in the network. So it would actually be fiat backed by time, kind of how it took time to mine the gold and bring it back home. We knew it took time to get the gold in the past and that is why we valued it so much as a currency. In sense it would be a limited and unlimited supply, limited to the point where you die and unlimited to the point where what happens in this simulation does not happen in real life.

If we cap supply of money and do not cap supply of human population we run into some serious problems in the future. As limited supplies become more limited.

With the current system now, I don`t think you guys realize yet, but because of some dumdums thing called "interest" everyone is going to become "rich" in the end anyways. If we don`t have to pay back this "debt".
Think about it, you have 20 million in a account, you can`t even spend the interest each month if you wanted to.

TL:DR I hope some smart wiz kid or elders read all of this and can fix our world for the future of our kind, sincerely another human that does not have much time left and sucks at coding and public speaking, but can see the end game of everything.