Topic: Gamblex - Bitcoin Entropy Betting System (Read 396 times)

What happens if the numbers are in the same position? for example:

User 1 sends the transaction: 176be4406bdecad9a0b15f7506a2215b1a49ad91da3a24a21f9b4af58f84473d

User 2 sends the transaction: 2aab3c2c8b173ece44cad0eb3d51cdccb523e7ef04e917a7ce5c3a949e6f084b

Both transaction has the desired number in the same position, so, who wins the bet?

By the way, when you create a bitcoin transaction you know the transaction id before broadcasting the transaction, if it doesn't have the number in the position you can create a new transaction for free until get the desired hash.

And one last question.

How can we trust in your betting engine? it would be easy for you to not pay the bets and walk away with the money.

Low IQs

Insulting people for not blindly trusting newbie anon is only red flag anyone would need. I've seen only scammers using this type of tactic, and funny enough, oddly defensive insulting before anyone has even said anything is either a sign of not a very bright scammer, or a sign of insecurity. In both cases, i will just roll my eyes for replies like this

You see this kind of negging tactics in dating sites done by sociopathic incels, so i guess it would work for someone who desperately needs respect from anon in the internet.

And stop spamming this thread several times per day. You can fit several answers to one message. Pumping this thread by yourself many times per day, like you did in May 23-24. That's against forum rules.

Agreed. I don't really know much about that technical stuff to be honest, but it's unnecessary in this context since it's pretty damn evident that op is just using fancy words to try and scam forum members.

Another dead giveaway of this being a scam is the word 'System' being used. Hilarious watching people still trying to scam members within this forum in this manner.

Probably because we knew it was a garbage gambling offer and that's why we didn't even stop to analyze how it works. Although, in view of stompix's explanation, it is not that much analysis was needed. I'm pretty sure that the OP is unlimitermoneyscammer. He doesn't post since the same day as him.

I just looked up the address on a block explorer and it shows that the address didn't receive any transaction. So, you are right, no one has fallen for this.
As it was explained above, even if OP's intention wasn't to scam, the game itself is flawed: just wait for someone to deposit then generate a transaction hash starting with 2 and you'll be the winner. This is why no one should play this game even if he trusts the OP.

Because, not all bitcoiners are aware of what is entropy and how it works. Unfortunately, most crypto gamblers do not know how to cross verify their games even after they are playing in a provably fair environment. Gamblers these days are too lazy to educate themselves on these kind of basics or too busy on social media these days. Honestly even I am aware of all such technical things and how to use them for a gambling, I will never test with mu hard earned bitcoin. I am sure that most people here who discussed on this games definitely might have not spent anything on this scam attempt.

This could be another classic example on "not rushing to a new gambling house". I usually look for free credits before testing a new casino or even new games on my favourite houses. I expect the same from all other gamblers who visited this topic as well.

Anyhow, this seems exactly similar to what we had some 10 years back in the name of doubling. Honestly I never tried them even I did get regular promotions on them whenever I was visiting famous faucets. I wonder how I was able to restrict myself from testing them when 0.001 BTC was trading less than 1 dollar.

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I'm really shocked that there are already three pages of replies and no one've noticed this flaw until stompix pointed it out!
The transaction ID is not generated by the blockchain as OP claims. It's nothing but the result of hashing the transaction data twice with SHA256.

Even if it wasn't possible to know the tx Id before broadcasting the transaction, there is still the possibility to keep RBFing it til you get the desired result.

Stompix is right if the player 2 uses some advanced wallets like Electrum he will be able to know its transaction ID before broadcasting it. How do you manage that @OP? In addition, despite 3 pages of "comments" nobody has still send one satoshi to the game address, however 2 bets with the same stake should be placed to get an outcome. It means first players could wait days, weeks or even months before having a chance to get back their stake along with their winnings.

I disagree. No level of presentation is enough to easily fool forum members when the theme is doubling money. Such scams are extremely easy to spot these days and they are rarely effective anymore.

Using fancy words like entropy etc are enough either in this context. You need to be really creative to scam members of this forum if you ask me.

That's not how entropy works.
The moment player 2 creates a tx he knows the ID of that transaction before it gets broadcasted, so when he simulates the tx he already knows his chances of winning or not winning the bet, so he will try different tx till he gets one with a number 2 before number 1.

True entropy would be relying on the block hash of the second confirmation, but seems like you rushed to get bets donations to that address that you forgot how bitcoin works.

Well people are not so greedy enough to determine that what they see in this thread is just pure nonsense. For sure people will not fall on this and think about the same as you said. I don't know if there's someone will pay attention to try this since majority know that this is so off for them. And there's really a question if they could ever pay those people participate since it looks like the main intention of this program is to try to convince people to deposit some funds then OP will run.

Much really better to go somewhere else especially to those reputable casino since from there there's high chance that we can get more realistic gains.

This is a perfect example of a ponzi scheme, well crafted and hoisted on the blockchain to make it look legit. If you will not be too greedy, the best that can come out of it is to collect as many 0.0005BTC as you can get and then pay one or two persons and winning then pocket the rest. But I know greed will not let you pay anyone as you will want to take it all. Anyone who falls for this deserves to be scammed, maybe it can be taken for the donation he made so that he will be smart in this digital age.

Why do I have to go through the stress of winning X2 that might not even be possible when I have better offer in reputable casinos like Rollbit.com? It is better to deposit that money in casino and play slot or dice.

Well, if actually we should be honest with ourselves, then we must agree that sending or spending 0.0005 bitcoin to receive 0.001 or even more is very possible as long as it's gambling we are talking about, I mean, many of us do this on several online casinos, send in a deposit of 0.0005, and end up withdrawing even up to or more than 0.05 bitcoin when and if we are in luck, and I bet any of you that if op had introduced a beautiful well developed and designed casino website here with introduction to this game model, whereby now, instead of this manual process op introduced here, we have to sign up on the site, then deposit the bitcoin, and then the system does the computing and choosing the winner and sending the won amount to his account, some of us here wouldn't have doubted the legitimacy of op, as I believe some would have jumped on this to test it, afterall, 0.0005 bitcoin is not so much money to lose to gambling, many of us lose even much more than this and are comfortable at the end of the day.

This teaches us that in every business idea or model, packaging is important, you plan a business model and present it to the general public well packaged, most will believe and take you serious.
But when you plan a business model and present it to the general public not well packaged, no body will take you serious and some will even call you a scammer.

I have been carefully studying their form of operation and yet still not convinced, until I came across your comment here. Your findings makes me convinced they are likely one person or same groups of people.
Just take a look at someone sending out 0.0005 to receive 0.001BTC, like, even if is a newbie such person would understand there is a fowl pay behind the whole thing.

What is the assurance that you can give of the things that you are saying here on this topic that you did? To be frank, I have read such terms quite a few times that the scheme, like you say, is a bit bad and the risk is too high for our capital to be invested in. 

After all, you are a newbie in this forum, and most of the members will really look for the assurances you are giving, because if that is the case, you will be thought of more badly. Of course, it will not come from your pocket but rather from potential investors who will enter their money.

Your posts are quite similar to unlimitedmoneyscammer's. Any chance you two are brothers or something? Maybe you're also Cyrus's buddy?

Place your bets.

1GAMBLEXcvxj2jrGVVTbyLr5CCjo2x5hRn
For QR Code https://www.blockchain.com/pt/explorer/addresses/btc/1GAMBLEXcvxj2jrGVVTbyLr5CCjo2x5hRn


Bet Sizes

0.0005 BTC Reward 0.001 BTC - minus fees
0.001 BTC Reward 0.002 BTC - minus fees
0.005 BTC Reward 0.010 BTC - minus fees
0.01 BTC Reward 0.02 BTC - minus fees
0.1 BTC Reward 0.2 BTC - minus fees
1 BTC Reward 2 BTC - minus fees

If poeple fight to accelarete will just add more entropy in the system.

Presentation done by current computational capabilities, trying starting seems thinks compute on my codes

Homo Sapiens did not compute on Gamblex, need your entropy to make it real.

From what you have explained earlier that is the way I understood it, acceleration comes there is network congestion but the probability of someone winning depending on whom their transaction confirm first. That's why I said people would used a higher gas to send out payment for them to stand the chance to be at first of confirmation in other for them to win, and I was meant to about to the numbers of people who will have to send payment to double their money and what about the total amount of people who sent money who did they win or benefits from this type of ponzi scheme?
If a total of 20 persons sent you their payments and only 1 person is selected as winner how would the rest 19 persons who sent their money feels?

That's a huge red flag IMO. Apart from making a shitty presentation of a simple game and responding in the way he responds to criticism. It's something we've seen too many times already. The presentation makes me not want to play, the answers even less and the three posts in a row, which indicate that you haven't read the rules or don't care about them, even less.

Once bets starting to occuring all transactions will be described here and also can be audited on blockchain.

The first to to confirm on blockchain is not computed but the second's sender transaction ID, so will have not risk of acceleration issues.

Risk controlled by Bitcoin's entropy and once first start betting it will compute in their cognition, need just someone to start it

Maybe you just cannot understand the reason, purpose is to keep an open mind. If it is not satisfactory to you, then no problem.

Maybe it is a scam, maybe not.

I don't think you should label it a scam, until proper proof says otherwise.

Says the dude with the username 'unlimitedmoneygenerator'. Anyone with a half-decent brain can tell that op is trying to sell a scam here which is why your reasoning makes zero sense here.

There is zero possibility of us being wrong here and op has proven that again and again thanks to his unprofessional behaviour.

As I wrote, I think that even when it starts working, no one will dare to try it. I am open-minded, but there were too many similar attempts in the past, so this is not the first time we have seen someone just appear with some "like" new idea and similar presentation. None of that came to life, so I doubt this will work either.

I agree that the OP should have an attitude, but instead of insulting someone's intelligence, he should focus on his work. This topic of his and the way he talks don't convince me that anything good will come out of this. I leave some chances for the possibility that I may be wrong, but I guess we will see about that. If anyone shows up and decides to give it a try...

You should have a website, a platform for detailed information about how the process works where users can see real-time updates, transaction verifications, and more about your system's mechanics. Without a reputable platform or escrow service, it's difficult to trust that the winner will be paid out fairly.

If you're confident in the fairness of your system, consider making the code publicly available. This would allow users to verify how the winner is chosen.

Can you showcase past transactions and winners? User testimonials and third-party audits can also enhance credibility.

I hate that you say that, because it's like your waiting for someone to steal his idea... Lol.

Likewise, be more open minded, don't just label things a scam, I think a user with an attitude is more prone to be legit, rather than a user, trying to swindle you over by saying whatever you want to hear.

If it is a scam someone will come back to the forum and let you know. Give things a chance to prosper, you never know how it could help you.

What do you think?

Very well said and a very good suggestion as well, I actually did not think about this before, the type of game op is proposing can definitely work and we can play it, but then, the bitcoin being deposited for the game must not be in the possession of the op directly, but will be held by a well reputable and trusted escrow on this forum, with a proven track record.

So, when the game is played, and a winner emerges, the escrow holding the funds will have to send the fund to the winner, and also send ops percentage to him, after removing his escrow service charge.
This would have been the best way to go about this game, but unfortunately, op will not agree, because this method will completely put him out of control, and Secondly, I personally believe he (the op) have some intention to scam, and this method won't give him that chance.

So, my advice to him is, if he is so interested in hosting a gambling game, he should better build an online casino, get the necessary registeration and license that allow him operate a full fledged online gambling casino, then he can promote it on this forum, maybe some of us will be happy to try his casino..

I completely agree with you, this is most likely a scam. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...


That may be the only truly imaginative thing about this scam. Poor presentation and a pretty common scam, but at least he came up with the idea about the "Bitcoin Entropy Betting System":


We can only imagine how BTC's entropy will choose the winner. I guess he will not find any players here... nobody will even dare to try this one.

Sad reality on how a newly posted gambling site having this attitude? instead of proving
people to be wrong and lure them as player and participants , you will deliver this kind of approach.
the business is indeed awesome because they are offering different set of game
but the problem is that its too good to be true and we are talking depositing in a new site
that there are no established name without escrow , so he needs to prove us being
legitimate and trustworthy .

Not just you, but I am also going to say that most of us or users on this forum never must have heard of such a game, and if you ask me, i did say that it's a very interesting game judging from the concept op provided, but unfortunately, the game is being introduced by the wrong personality, and I bet no one on this forum is good to play this game except it is introduced by the right person, and who is the right person - read my reply to one of op's comment below.

Your game idea seems or looks quite interesting to me, but unfortunately, I do not think any user here will be interested in playing the game, this has nothing to do with level of IQ but rather, it's about the risk.
You are a newbie on this forum with no trust or reputation, no body can trust you to not run away with money belonging to the players.
I bet you, if this game concept was brought up by a well trusted and reputatable member of this forum, alot of us would have jumped on it.

This is will be highly competitive since the winner is based on the first confirmation and for that, people would like to use a very high gas fee to make them be the first to confirmed their deposit. In other way round this is actually risky and it's not gambling rather a kind of Ponzi Scheme where someone sends a specific amount and expect to receive 2x of that same amount they sent only if they got confirmed on the block on time then they win and, if their transactions doesn't confirm on time then their payment is gone, so someone else have their money.

Gambling is two or more people winning in the same site after haven placed a bet on their various kinds of games and you can't detect who is to win among all the areas of the games. But in this it is clear that only one person win, so to me it is a shady game to say and is even more riskier than gambling itself.

That's not how you will get more people to get to invest in your gambling scheme and even if does make sense and it's totally "safe", berating them isn't really in your best interest, it's a really awesome concept though but your attitude to your potential people, you might see something different.

Whatever explanation you say here nobody will play on what you are trying to offer since for so many times we see this type of scheme posted by a lot of people who try to outsmart people and pulled off their scam attempts. So for sure your business model if you think you are legit will never work here. Just try to analyze the why how people approach on your offers and you can start to figure out that no one really like what you offer here.

So treat this as failed business offer and try to find something more valuable which is more worth for people to spend their time on. Also don't expect people will believe in this what you called game since people already know how shitty this idea.

Would love to hear the answer to this question , he even called gamblers to be Low IQ  but gamblers here shows Higher IQ for not falling to this trap .
the question is that "Is there someone that will start betting"? i doubt there will be one (at least not from this forum)

This has scam written all over it and anyone with a decent IQ can understand that much. Bad presentation, double your money ad, typos all over the place etc are just a couple of reasons as to why I wouldn't recommend this site.

Op keeps going on about IQ when he himself is trying to sell something that reeks of low IQ. Do your research people!

Just because I don't like this or other players doesn't mean you can call them low IQ. A game is supposed to serve everyone, as that's the way your company will progress. But let's get to the point: if your game is unique and people love to play it, that's great. However, reputation is another thing. You are just a newbie here, which means you don't have the reputation yet for people to trust you with their money.

Who holds that Bitcoin address? Is it your own wallet?

As a matter of fact there are a few domains of human knowledge  where "entropy" term is used - physics, informatics, cryptography, biology , etc. Every each of this domain adds some "flavors" to this term. For instance in physics entropy is just a number of  the admissible states of system (log of this number, to be exact) while in cryptography as applied to seeding it is just a big ( commonly 128/256 bit) random number.

The term of "entropy"  used by OP has nothing in common with entropy. Better to call it as probability  of the certain decimal number to come first in hash of transaction.

Regarding the gambling itself. The procedure   of winner awarding seems to be not automatic thus is not capable to inspire confidence, at least from my part.

But the doubt for me personally is whether this is fair and whether you will be trusted to be the sole organizer of this kind of gambling, considering that your reputation has not been established on this forum and you are a newbie on this forum which we are usually aware of as a scammer on the forum, if there is someone who has been here for a long time who has a big reputation and you get support from him maybe I personally and many people here will really believe in what you are trying to build on the forum.


I really want to try it but the risk seems much greater than what I imagine, I would rather bet on dice or soccer or on other games than to give you money for nothing without any fun, honestly I am interested because of the prizes that allow large winnings of up to 100% BTC even with the language of reducing fees.


I recommend building your reputation well first, because the big gamblers here are smart and very careful, maybe other novice members will be easily attracted, but still we will warn them, this kind of thing is very risky in an anonymous forum like this.

Once someone start betting, it will raise expectation for next sender than entropy will choose winner and proof of it on blockchain will stay, after the first couple starting betting the system will gain more and more force due its pure entropic nature.

The other way around. That we are not interested in your site is proof that there are a few of us here who are smarter than you.

For starters you have made a shitty presentation in such a competitive space like this. What did you expect?

And then, the shit game you offer is a double or nothing in that if I win I will win double less fees, so in net I will lose in the long run. The more I play the more I will lose.

People play casino games even if they know there is a net loss in the long run because they are varied and fun, not something as simple as this.

A dice is a programmed odds algorithm, not same as Bitcoin entropy selecting the winner

I understand the idea of doubling one's money using this gambling system, it is as simple as two people sending a transaction of the same value to a trusted their party to hold the money and select the winner, based only on the transaction I formation itself, in which neither the participant nor the trusted third party habe control over. It sound interesting, I won't lie, the only problem I see comes for the "trusted third party" part of the game, since you are quite a new user here and you are yet to build your own reputation from the ground up. I would suggest you to get involved with someone here in the forum who could serve as an escrow of a  multisignature wallet, you having one key and the other reliable member of this community having the other key, that would help people with the trust issue on trying this mode of gambling.

Also, you have to keep in mind, many people in this sections are accustomed to immediate outcomes, thus why they like to play casino games like dices, blackjack, mines and crash. At the best, each round of your game would take 10 minutes to deposit and other 10 minutes to withdraw (assuming one is the winner of the session), so it is 20 minutes for a single 2x. See the problem?

I can try to get 2x at dices with a few clicks and in mere seconds, man.

The idea of the bet is double -fees the money allowing BTC entropy decide.
Just a game to break the realty for the higher IQ

Quite risky, mate. Just a Bitcoin address without any assurance about your reputation raises concerns. It would be better if you also had a registered website so that if someone wants to complain, they have someone to go after. Simply looking at it, it appears like a Ponzi scheme because of the intro that says "double your money."

Honestly, I didn't read everything you wrote because, from the very start, it already looked suspicious. Sorry, but I think you need to present it better to look more convincing since that address you provided would receive money, and we're not even sure how you'll process the payment or if you'll process it at all.

Nobody making a bet is a proof that bettors in Gambling ate low IQ.

This is an attempt to make individuals compute bettings in this simple gambling system I designed, but who willing to choose the winner will be the BTC's entropy instead of a programmed algorithm from some betting system.
You prefer feel gambling with BTC deciding if you win or a programmed algorithm.?.

I think Entropy is about the random selection of numbers that generates passphrase through blockchain. However, I have not heard of this kind of game before and it so much with "if" which is a subordinating conjunction in part of speech and meant to introduce conditional sentence and chances of occurrence. Well that well define gambling but I have not witnessed this kind betting.

Will this inputs program you to start this game?