Topic: Gambling Casinos with Online and Offline version, Are they the same? (Read 650 times)

There will be more online casinos than offline casinos because there are restrictions for offline casinos to operate in certain countries. Casino owners will assume that they can use or create an online casino to reach more gamblers from many countries than setting up an offline casino in a particular country. They will also definitely think about the existing prohibitions in that country so that they will not continue to build offline casinos, especially since they are also wary of corrupt officials who will come to them on the pretext of wanting to protect their casino business even though they are only asking for their money. That is why online gambling is currently very developed and has more gamblers in one casino, especially if the casino can provide the best service to all its gamblers. This will make members return to gambling at the online casino.

Majorly every gambling casino I know of have a winning limit, and yeah, casinos do not have a loss limit, that is, the amount of money a gambler on lose playing in that casino, exactly the gambler sets the loss limit him ot herself, but when it comes to winning limit, every casino has this automatically set, even big casinos like stake has a winning limit, and it doesn't matter what amount of money you bet, if the potential winning exceeds their set winning limits, such bet will not be accepted.

And again, offline casino are not immune from becoming scams, but the chances of an offline casino becoming engaging in a scam is very difficult or rare, this is possibly because, they have a physical address, they have physical faces who attend to customers, they also have invest alot of money to aquire and build the casino hall and other gambling equipment in it, this things are things that can not be easily moved to another place, if at all it's possible, just incase they scam and customers decide to come after them, this is why it's very rare to find an offline casino that engage in scamming their customers.

You are right, because what is happening in my country right now is that the Ilgela gambling site is booming, like mushrooms are spreading everywhere. And it is true that online gambling will be more difficult to control compared to offline gambling. And to be honest, compared to online gambling, I prefer offline gambling. Because I can immediately feel the sensation and excitement and, I can also face my opponents directly, which makes the game even more exciting and tense. What's more, if offline gambling is done together with friends, because the game is full of jokes and warm chat which makes the atmosphere even more exciting. When I play offline gambling with friends, I call it fun gambling.

If the gambling site was more prohibited in the certain country,So the online gambling site was more emerged to that offline gambling site.The government of the certain country had not allow their citizen to play the gambling game by making the law against the gambling sites.The countries which against the gambling sites was mostly from the Islamic religion.So they prevent their citizen from the gambling sites and drug addiction.The Muslim religion against the drugs and the true Muslim was against the drugs consumtion.Some gambler will do the gambling without the knowledge of their community people.So they won't blame the gambler for thee involvement of the gambling sites and losing some dollars on their bad luck time in the gambling sites.The Online gambling was most popular for now compared to the offline gambling.

That may be because there are regulations in each place, which means that offline casinos must always follow and comply with the regulations made by the regulator. If the casino doesn't do so, regulators can punish it with huge penalties or fines. Meanwhile, for online, the settings may depend on where they register their domain name. There may be many other reasons that we don't know for sure, especially since they won't reveal it to the public because it is part of the company's secrets. With such things, people who switch from offline casinos to online casinos will still see the online casino as a trusted casino because the casino has already gained popularity offline. Meanwhile, the online presence gets the record of being a shady casino.

from what the OP mentioned, i highly believe that those 1xbet casinos have their different owners. the local version vs the one using .com in their domain name. so it is understandable if they have variation when it comes to their terms. so as much as possible, better read the terms of each casino you are depositing with. if you want to know their connections, you can ask their support if they are in any way connected to the site you are in doubt of.

There might be a big reason why the site is different when its offline and I’m wondering how can you gamble with crypto in an offline set-up but if its a physical casinos then it make sense to me. Offline casinos are also not safe from any scams so make sure you are dealing with the best option to gamble. There might be no limit in winning and losing money but then again, you should always gamble within your own limit to avoid further losses and being broke.

Scam in physical casinos? I'm not sure what you mean by it, very hard to pull this one specially if you are playing in big casinos. Maybe you are referring to illegal traditional casinos (if there is such cases), or illegal bookies. But still though, if you play on this kind of fly by night, you should know your chances. As per my experience, but this kind of illegal bookies has some limitations but they will tell you up front. Specially if you win big, let's say $1000 in sports beating, they will acknowledge your win but they will tell you that they can't pay that in full, instead they will give you like $500 for it.

But for big casinos, they will not simply pull this off, it's hard to move from one place to another, LOL. They already have the reputation and I doubt that they will do this act. As for online, it's very easy for them to have a lot of excuse not to pay for big wins, hence there are a lot of scam accusations here in our community.

There is no doubt that there can be scams in physical or offline casinos as well, but you can't deny the fact that it's easier for an online casino platform to scam its customers and even run away with the funds since most online cryptocurrency casinos these days don't even acquire a proper license at the beginning and they keep operating without it until or unless the authorities threaten them to close their platform down if they don't get a proper license.

The same thing cannot be said for a physical casino because a physical casino establishment can't just move from one place to another after scamming its customers and it is relatively harder for it to successfully scam the gamblers because everything is done physically and in front of everyone which reduces the chances for gamblers to get scammed.

Just to clarify the domain 1xbet.ng has this on their homepage
there's a possibility that they are a franchisee of 1XBET, since they are using the same script as 1xbet.com and since they are operating with exclusivity in Nigeria they are bound by the laws and regulations of the Nigerian government, so any complaint can be directed to the regulatory commission of Nigeria, not any country where the mother company is operating.

The Nigerian version is an affiliate by means of a franchise and is dedicated to Nigeria so any complaints and action should be addressed to the Nigerian commission
so they have different statuses and this version if they scam the Nigerians will be prosecuted by the Nigerian commission

Different names from the same service provider. This is kind of marketing to overcome the negative feedback come for a platform. Maybe this could help the sister concern develop in some countries, but this continues to be a negative factor till the accusations were resolved. When we play on local domain/betting shops those shop owners just use the service of the particular platform same as having a food franchise. The settlement will be done from the shop owners part and his responsible work keeps them on profit and with good reputation against the online version with big number of accusations.

If you have the option and are involved in frequent and substantial financial transactions, offline casinos might be a more suitable choice. For online casinos, the selection of the platform is crucial. In most online platforms, you might find that there are no limits to how much you can lose, but winning even slightly more can bring about various issues and obstacles

Do you, by any chance, mean local/provincial and global/international casinos instead of offline and online casinos?
Well, the main reason why people trust the local version of a casino is because they can meet the local owners and talk to them face to face any time they want. Local owners can't just take your money and dissappear just like that. Besides, those casinos have to comply with local laws and regulations which are usually more strict.
Another reason, is that the main company (global casinos) don't pay the winnings of the local casino's players. Local owners pay gamblers.

Or maybe we should start by going with what we ourselves want, the particular taste in what we want gives us more interest in going for them because they are our choice, gambling is both enjoyed online and in the physical depending on the kind of condition we found ourselves with or the way we decided to go with it, they can also both have little similarities and the games could be quite different for sure on how they play them.

It depends on the country where you live. I think that in most developed countries, thanks to advertisements in different platforms (TV, social media) I think that almost anyone can gamble online, except vary rare cases of very old people. Today we have Apps almost for everything, and those casinos that are only reachable via web aren't much harder to find either.

If the offline version is that much reputable then the owner behind it must be doing the maintenance on his own while he must have appointed a different group who are capable to operate into online section. Also, there's the fact about age range. Most people who are gambling online are those who knows how to deal with internet. They are much younger. There could be people who are older, but the amount is low when it comes to gambling online.

And when it comes to offline casinos, you can find mixed aged people there. Providing same kind of services could have different outcome in this situation. Maybe the age difference. Or maybe they are providing two kind of services in two different platforms. Also, there could be this mentality where they think that they have achieved success in one platform and should focus on that one only. Or maybe something else.

Even in poker, I don't see the possibility of the fact that one player is stronger and balanced in mentality to have an undue advantage over his opponent,  and not in this context that the discussion is based on what the ops are trying to bring to light is the aspect of the casino systems and how probably fair there are and how much reputation their build over time.
So the comparison is between online casinos and offline casinos, and the basis for the argument is how much reputation they both exhibit and what makes players choose them as their preferred choice destination to gamble on, so far from the players aspect as you mentioned in your statement, but if you want us to start up a discussion in the direction you mentioned then you can start up a thread and let discuss that because I know poker games even though it technical sometimes but at least it can easily be won by luck also.

Comparing online and offline gambling casinos in the context you talked about in your comment is a matter of choice, I personally do not think any of better than the other in general, it all depends on which one chooses to use, like here in my country, there are people who do not own a smart phone, not to talk of owning a gambling, and as such, they do not have access to the internet, such persons will Everly prefer to play on offline casinos even if you refer them to an online casino, this is because, offline casino is what they are already used to.

But notwithstanding, we aren't discussing online and offline casinos in the context you took it from, we are talking about their reputation majorly, because like I said in the op, I noticed that some online and offline casino under the same brand seems to have different reputation, like the offline version having a good reputation while the online version have a bad reputation, why such a thing happens, is that we are discussing.

I agree with you that online gambling is indeed easier to use than offline gambling, even though I am in a country that prohibits gambling, of course it is very difficult for me to try offline gambling games in casinos, of course I also can't easily find a casino that is clear in my country which is considered gambling. as illegal so no offline casino that I have ever encountered has ever tried to gamble there. if there is maybe I will try to share my opinion.

Just seeing on television, it is true that offline gambling is quite easy to read someone's behavior and influence someone directly, maybe for me it would be difficult to beat my opponent if they could read my style of play, for example in poker games, fortunately I have never tried offline gambling, to be honest I prefer online gambling than offline gambling.

I would say that I prefer online gambling, as it somehow equals all the gamblers (the difference is only their banks and strategies). In offline gambling, some gamblers have advantage over other. Like they can read their behavior, or analize their strategy based on their balance (in case we play poker), or people can influence others (for example in situations where one people are mentally stronger thab others).

We will probably be mistaken when we consider that online gambling are the ones that always have the openness for scam related activities and assumed that the physical casinos are less involved in this, scam is what we can't predict how, where or who can engage in making such attack or those that will be heavily affected from the attack as well, as long as it is humanbeing who were involved in this, they can do and undo.

The thing is that both online and offline casinos when it comes to reputation what differentiates them is just the determination of the team to stay consistent with the handling of issues and build a good reputation for themselves.

I have seen where an online casinos settle issues on time and since as long that they are licensed it becomes equal to them to be able to be called out just like the physical casinos,  so I don't see any difference between the online casinos and physical one when it comes to handling issues that may arise along the line.

I believe that what happens is that the casino that has sponsored important leagues, important teams, are in different countries providing services accepting local currencies from that country and even have company headquarters in several countries, they will not scam people because they have licenses different respecting each country, they need to have their identities revealed to operate in different countries, unlike an online casino that only has a Curacao license and operates only on the internet and its owner is anonymous and can deceive and steal people's money, the casino that wants to operate in several countries around the world using local currencies from that same country, it needs to acquire a casino license from that country

and countries like my country for example, will ask that the casino has a license from my country so that the casino accepts local currency from my country and has a physical office, this was the case with 1xbet in my country they have a license from my country and have a physical office in my country and has a telephone number. You can see his address in my country:



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Yes, these scammers have a physical office in my country and sponsor my country's football league. I honestly don't know how many people in my country use this casino scam, but it is a fact that they are sponsoring big clubs and are in many countries and there are no cases of scam accusations coming from these clubs that they sponsor. In other words, the big clubs they sponsor did the necessary research and signed partnership agreements and are not complaining about this scam casino, they were smart, they keep creating other scam casinos and avoid links with the main casino. and with that the big scammer ( 1xbet  ) continues to operate

You would really be able to avoid all the hassles and the possibility of able to encounter some shitty casino/betting platforms if you do really just that simply stick into those reputable ones rather than on making yourself that engaging into t hose new ones and it doesnt matter whether it would really be that offline or online then it wont really be that hard to find out about their legitimacy.If you are really that seeing some
similar names then having some research wont really be that much of an issue because if you do find yourself that something interesting then it would really be just that normal that you would really
be making up some confirmation on the things that you are dealing with.

Similar names? Offline and online? Making some clear information should really be your main priority because if you do miss out on doing so then you might really be that able to make a step
on which it would really be resulting into having some headaches just because you've been experiencing some issues which are supposedly to be that be able avoid if you do make
just things to be right or you have done your own research first before you do make some deposits.

We mostly get scammed online esily that is why online casinos keep coming out everytime looking for new gambling that would be giving them traffic frequently to increase the growth of the casino. Whatever we are doing, we should make sure that we get satisfaction from it so that we don't come back and complain later for mistake that we make ourselves.
Whatever category we prefer whether online or offline casino, we need to get result which is what will keep us going and betting more to make more winnings.

It's pretty harder for an offline version to scam people than they do online, players can easily file a complaint and the authorities will take action quickly for fear of public outrage, our offline casinos here are very quick to address even small issues because they will lose clients and they will also their license, compared to online version even if they have a hundred complaints they can continue to operate because it's hard to charge online casinos.
And if online casinos say you are a cheater, they don't need to prove you are, because they will deny to show proof because they are afraid that their security system will be exposed and cheaters will find a way to manipulate it.
So your chances to withdraw your earnings offline are better online provided that you play fair.

Well explained. In addition, Brick n Mortar/IRL Casino slot games has lower RTP compared to slot games on online casino since they have slot games on IRL casino that has an RTP that can go below 90% which is very rare to online casino since most of the slot provider in online has a very low RTP because they have less operating cost compared to IRL casino that pays for electricity and and other physical bills.

What I don't understand here is who audit this slot provider in online casino to guarantee fairness of their RTP because AFAIK that they are not covered by the Curacao license. This is the big question I have in mind because Brick n mortar slot games has undergo on physical audit it release to the public.

I don't blame them though for updating their systems in this manner because they are just trying to keep up with the latest trends which is why you cannot expect them to stick to old fashioned blackjack tables etc.

We might get completely digital blackjack tables, Baccarat tables etc at these offline casinos in the future.

OK, I guess by "Offline" version you mean a physical casino or what they call a "Brick n Mortar" casino... right? The main difference between the two types of casinos are the games that are on offer and how these games are controlled.

The games in a "Brick n Mortar" casino usually consist of a bunch of Slot machines and some table games... and these machines are not easily "re-configured" ....so manipulation of the RTP and other variables are a more complex process.

The games in an Online casinos are not that complicated and many of the original in-house games can be "configured" by the local casino developers. The third party slots will change certain parameters on their games at request from the customer, but this does not happen regularly... they usually sign an agreement before they "rent" access to the games.  

I think the most disappointing thing about offline casinos is that they are trying to be offline but at the same time, digitized.

Let me explain what I mean with an example : you go into a casino in Las Vegas and sit down to play slots. Except the machine won't accept change or dollars, it only accepts pre-paid deposits on some BS membership card. Later you decide to try Blackjack, but you quickly learn that the Blackjack table is now a computer screen on a different machine. All this is very disappointing and different from how you remember the casino experience, even a decade ago.

You decide to go home and gamble on your own computer screen. The end.

At least, that is how I feel about the current state offline gambling casinos.

Even in Nigeria,  the notion is changing,  and gamblers are beginning to divert their attention into online casino trust is not what is mostly considered by many any time soon and that has also been proven by how many are not leaving physical casinos to adopt online cryptocurrencies casino,  which they now see as the best replacement to the trouble associated with physical casinos.

For me,  I rather stake my bet from my mobile device than go into the bet store to make a game order which is what many do here in my locality that have exposed their privacy and open rooms for one or two attacks on them.

You are correct mate online casino seems different from the offline casino as there are big differences. Your points are valid and I am also of the opinion that online casino seems more cheaper and offers more bonuses than offline casino while offline casino customer care is very swift and active, online casino customer service is not that active as offline casino because they have office where you can go verify or rectify any complaints you have but the online casino seems different from that. Offline casino I can say are close to their community while online I think have that challenge and since it is a digital platforms a digital community is their option to communicate with their community and in some cases the community platform is porous to scammers and hackers. I think there are lots of other factors that differentiates the both of them.

They are thesame if the same gambling organization is in charge of them both, what only makes some difference is the version in which they existed, on is online and the other offline, but we can also consider more differences like the way they were being played, though this doesn't change anything about their rules or policy than the way to play their games, bonuses exist on both online and offline, if not people wouldn't have been interested on offline gambling.

Some names are meant for the purpose of gambling and we don't find the difference easily. I've seen winzogames.com and winz.io which are two different platforms. Person playing in any one of the platform could get into the other platform next time, if he had forgotten about the correct URL. Some gambling sites used to provide with mirror links which used to provide us with the regional service from the same provider. As said in the OP this isn't found everywhere, regions where the internet penetration is found low platforms with similar names attract the users.

What makes people think that way is that,  in a physical casino, they may have the chance to see the owner or operator,  which makes them feel safer in case they have a good winning,  although some of us don't border about that at all since we already have a reputable casino which has proven us beyond doubt as far as gambling online is a concern,  so for such set of people,  there is no clear difference between which class we trust, and even with privacy crisis which online casino solved that issue for some of us who use cryptocurrency to gamble which guarantee 100% privacy, but that can not be said with the physical casino which everyone will see you while you enter the casino some time.

Maybe because you aren't really into gambling? But if you do, then this term will not be foreign to you, a long with other gambling terms which are not in the mainstream.

Despite of it, it is still impressive that you guess it correctly on how it works or what it look's like. That's right, that in order for an online casino to have an offline version, they need to create a physical casino. They can set it up as long as the country and place allows it but it will be better if they can set it up on a very crowded area so that they can effectively attract people to play on them. They can offer the same service but the experience are slightly different. We all know why.

Well, let me say that this which you said may only apply to Nigeria and maybe some other third world countries, In a more developed countries where more than two third of their citizens have gone digital, it will be difficult for offline betting shops to thrive more than their online versions, note I said offline betting shops, not full-fledged gambling casinos where it is possible for customers to play slot machines, alot of casino games and so on aside sports betting.

So, for countries where her citizens are not much of internet users, it is expected that offline betting shops will do well, whether they are CAC registered or not (in reference to nigeria here).

There is probably a few reasons for this mismatch.  The online part of a land based casino could be owned by different people who do not share the same values or commitment to quality as the physical location.  Or maybe the owners just do not put as much effort into managing the web version and  it is disappointing when you expect the same great experience from a casinos website and it falls short.  I guess the lesson is you cannot assume an offline brand you trust will automatically deliver online too.  You gotta check out their internet reputation separately. The good thing is that you will usually find a lot more reviews for an online casino than for its offline counterpart.

People tend to have this belief or mindset that a physical betting shop or offline betting version is more legit than its online betting shop in the sense that they are physically interacting or seeing the people who run the offline version and even their house and to some extent, friends of those that operate these offline betting shops, furthermore believe that these offline version has passed through any of this government registration like CAC registration and others here in Nigeria and so are licensed to operate.

Honestly, I think the reason for the reputation difference largely comes down to how these casinos are managed and run.  It's pretty common for old school, brick-and-mortar casino owners to try to jump into the online world without really getting how different it is.  Running the online side takes a whole new skillset - everything from cybersecurity stuff to making sure the user experience is good. 

Then there's just getting people to trust you.  Some casinos might have nailed that cozy, personal vibe in person but just haven't figured out how to make customers feel that same level of confidence online and  its like they haven't closed that trust gap yet from the real world to the virtual one.   

And at the end of the day it's a lot easier to pull shady stuff online than in a real life where I'd assume theres way stricter oversight and regulations in place.

There are really those notable differences on which it would really be just that so normal that you could really be able to point out in speaking about offline and online on which it would really be that understandable.
There are really some advantages and there are disadvantages but of course it would really be that just that depending on which one you would really be that choosing. When it comes to choices then it would really be that entirely be depending on you on which you would really be that tending to deal with. For me then i would prefer on playing on physical yet the ambiance would be entirely be different.
This is why people would really be those people who are really that loves on dealing up with gambling sites physically rather than on going online but when it comes to accessibility
then online things would really be that good. For similar names then we cant really be able to tell even if they would be having the same names and if there's one then
we do make out some research first.

Offline casinos can offer you bonus if you are their good customer. But you are still not wrong becuase online casinos have more bonuses, especially the first time register and deposit bonus, I do not think that is available on offline casinos. But there are some bonuses on offline casinos like rakeback and some others. Offline casinos is fun and better to be than online casinos which can be boring and more addicting.

No idea about Betking, but 1xbet(Online) is definitely a scam site which coordinates with other scam sites like 1xbit, Melbet etc operating out of Russia based on information obtained from various trustworthy sources.

Never heard of 1xbet(Offline) though, but I would steer clear of anything remotely similar to those scam sites op.

It is possible and it is possible that one version is more reputable than the others, the rule is very different between online and offline versions, it is hard to cheat offline and you cannot accuse one player offline of having multiple accounts, whereas online can do it and casino can get away with it, its easier to cash out on offline casino than its online version if you are denied payment you can call the authorities, charge them and have their operations stopped right away, whereas on online there are so many steps you have to take before you can stop the operation because of the difference on jurisdiction.

Even in physical casinos, you still have to make bet which is going to be staked online. Many of the physical casinos will have online version for those that would not be interested going to bet in a Casino. They may want there privacy which is something that is very important for our individual selves. Those of us that are always betting in a physical casinos, there is always a difference between betting online and in a casino where our games can be staked which is the same process with those that bet online. All works if we enjoy any of the two method to stake games and bet.

I guess it is not the same people that are managing them because I know that Betking.com is a good casino down here and it is been patronized by majority of gamblers. It might be that the online casino that ends up being scammers, opened the platform to purposely scam people or it is because of poor management that made then not be able to meet up with customers withdrawal. If you look at it from this angle, maybe because the offline casinos knows that they can't run away with gamblers funds since gamblers are seeing them face to dace and gamblers will do everything possible to make sure that their wins are paid. While the online casino can take advantage of their customers because they can't see them and can't reach them since they might not be in the same country with gamblers.

Some times, i get confused  with what the really mean by online casinos and offline casinos, because as far as i relate, both mentioned casinos are run online what me i take asmeaningn online casinos is the fact that they casino is based on the internet, and not just casino that is run in physical, going further into the discussion also I discovered that what we can appropriately call online and offline should be a casino that accepts the cryptocurrency and those that only accepts fiat currency, so if we base our argument on that, we will likely get some and more ingredient to make up for a proper discussions and comparisons.
But the likelihood of the 1xbet to be the same as 1xbit is high and we may do well to categorize both casinos as one since they are similar in actions and operations.

       -   Literally speaking, they are not the same; the location is far away because online, you can only gamble via the internet, while in a land-based casino, even without the internet, you can still gamble.

In addition to that, online casinos offer a lot of bonuses compared to physical casinos that don't have them. But in a physical casino, you must bring a large amount of money, while in an online casino, even a small amount is fine.

I agree online you can just refuse payment and say that you have an alt account or multi-accounting and you're finished on offline games you have to be transparent because you are under close watch by the government regulator if you're going to charge someone with cheating you have to show proof and the gambler can ask for the government to mediate.

Its very different online, you literally have to beg for your winning when you won a big amount, unlike offline the government can validate your earning and they will demand payment from the offline casino, so if the online version is corrupt, they will have a hard time offline.

You are right based on the RTP analogy you used, completely agree with you.

Overall, in comparing both offline and online version of the same casino, there will always be imbalances, like, one version, maybe the offline version, or the online version, depending on the area where the offline version is, one will always do well than the other, and this may make the other version look like money invested in building it was a waste.

Like for example, over here in my country, it is actually of recent that I see that people have started playing on 1xbet online version mostly, not very many compared to the number of persons that still patronize this casino's offline version.
The only difference now is that, those who patronize the offline version of the casino are majorly sports bettors, people who are betting on sports.

But in the online version, customers have the opportunity of playing alot of casino and slot games, aside from betting on sports alone.

I feel there are two issues that make this a bit different between an offline casino X platform and an online casino X platform.

1. Marketing strategies for each line should be different. Offline casinos deal with people face-to-face, while online ones have a broader market and don't meet people in person. Handling these situations should clearly be different, and the agents/employees running them should also be different. Reputation differences will naturally arise, given they are managed differently. Local interests will never be exactly the same as international interests online. That could be a reason why they differ in terms of reputation.

2. dirty competition. CEOs always strive to bring down their competitors, and the casino business falls into the realm of businesses that undermine each other (it could happen and is highly possible). An online gambling company might use the name of another offline gambling company for malicious purposes. Yes... they might intentionally provide poor service to tarnish the reputation of their competitor. It's as if these shady characters connect online and offline gambling platforms when, in reality, the offline casino hasn't released an online version at all. Competitors exploit this to damage other reputation.

Other possibilities could occur because every villain always has their own techniques to gain an advantage and never really cares about reputation.

I beg to disagree to this. Online casino has less expenses than the offline casino that’s why RTP in online casino much higher since they don’t have much operating cost compared to offline casino that has a lot operational expenses from employees and the building itself. So they have big differences in terms of RTP and bonuses offer to players.

I never encounter a casino that has both online and offline here in my country since they might destroy their offline version since people will play online frequently due to convenience. They invest tons of money on the physical casino which is why online casino is not their typical option even during pandemic to maintain loyalty from their customers.

I have never seen a casino which has its offline and online version but the casino gets different reputation between offline and online. Looking at the example you give especially 1xbet, do they have the offline version because you talk about different domain only. Assuming it is true that the local domain is official domain from 1xbet, how can you be sure that they are so reputable in your country? Is it because you know that most people in your country are betting in 1xbet or because it is the most popular one due its huge advertisement?

1xbet is a very strange casino. It's known for everybody that they are scammers but they are super popular at the same time. They have private room in Evolution Gaming full of 1xbet tables with 1xbet background and they don't have only 1 private room, they have 2. They have some other tables too and there are so many Russian players playing all the time.

Open 1xbit.com and 1xbet.com side by side in your browser, you'll notice that both of them are using the same system. They both use Bet-B2B.com to manage their casinos but years ago 1xbet and bet-b2b had exactly the same color system on their websites that makes me think that bet-b2b and 1xbet are managed by the same team. Then you have 1xbit on bet-b2b's platform. Does anyone think that 1xbet and 1xbit will be managed by different people? And keep in mind that 1xbet and 1xbit had tables in Evolution next to each-other.

Regarding the reputation of 1xbet Offline casino, it is measured based on the rating of people around and when playing there is no problem. Therefore, there is a positive value because it is believed that it can operate properly. But when it comes to online casinos, the reputation of this casino is bad/fraud and so on, it cannot stop other people's judgment of casinos that are run offline. That also applies to your local Betking offline casino. For example, if you convince people around you that Betking/1xbet (online) casino has committed fraud, they will definitely deny it because the involvement of online and offline operations is considered different. Starting from the way offline casinos work which can be seen, measured and witnessed. So accusing them will be very difficult. Betking/1xbet operating online involves many people and from different user groups so it will be difficult to convince people who play directly in offline casinos. This could be the reason that as long as playing at Betking/1xbet offline casino doesn't harm them, then they don't really care about what goes on behind online gambling. For me personally, these casinos operate online or offline, I would never touch them at all.

I`ve seen several such offline casinos in my city. But it looks mostly like bookie`s office, but not like casino. If we are talking about trust - it is the same. And some old men still prefers offline bookie. Also we can KYC in the offline casino faster and sometimes, when they have some doubts it is the only way for KYC.
As for me - i don`t like them, it is more comfortable to gamble from home.

For me, online and offline casinos will never be much different, if indeed offline casinos are much bigger than online casinos, it is clear that they cannot manage online casinos so their users often get into trouble. That's why people in your area may be more interested in playing at offline casinos, but it doesn't rule out the possibility that many online casinos are also good and have lots of users.

Moreover, if it is run by the same person, whether it is an offline or online casino, it is certain that what they do in an online casino must also be done in an offline casino, it's just that we can't see their reputation from online review sites, because of course they are more closed and not published. so in my opinion there is no difference, that's why I prefer to gamble at a casino that has a good reputation to avoid problems, especially complicated cases and we know that 1xbit is a fraudulent site that must be avoided

Well, in the first place, online itself is dangerous and risky. Once you've connected to the internet and gone online, you are vulnerable. That's why many scammers are lingering on the internet, taking advantage of those who don't have or have little knowledge of navigating the internet. That's why even if an offline casino has an online version, you should always be careful, as many skilled scammers can duplicate a certain website, so it's easy for them to replicate an offline casino to attract victims. That's why it's important to do your own research, conduct an assessment, and read the terms and conditions.

Not all online versions of a casino are scams or not trusted; we just have to identify who is the trusted one, do double security before ingaging on a website, and if you notice an anomaly or there is negative feedback about that specific online casino, then better think again.

Online experience is always different to offline experience, generally about all things, you can't expect the experience to be the same just because it's the same company, online has it's advantage already and that's why I become a gambler today, if there is no online casinos I will never visit any casino nearby to gamble, doing such thing in the public is not my way.

You can also start a business offline and it will fail over the years and bring the same business online and it will be way better, the thing about running a business is risk, you will never know what the result you will get will be like, not until you give it a trail and see what happens, this is why you will see some project will very good utilities that still fail.

Everything is risk, you won't know what you will get until you try, mind you, this casino you are talking about might not belong to the same person, just because they are sharing the same name doesn't mean it belongs to the same person, this days it's getting harder to form company names, that's why new projects are using...-... Between their names.

As we all believe that 1xbit or 1xbet is a scam on this forum, someone somewhere might decide to use this same name for his located casino offline and that wont stop the business from doing well.

It's hard to say what and how exactly we can relate and connect both online and offline versions of the said casinos, even as it glaring from the domain names that there may be a likely connection even as it is not proven, it is very important to now ask for whatever evidence that can help us to unravel the truth between what connection and the how the lent of that connection could be.


It will take a whole load of time money to be able point out what are the level of the connections between the two casinos and if their are not discovered to be own by the same team then they deserve the same trust rating.

Any casino can have both online and physical gambling site, this does not make a difference in them, just as the way an organization can appear in their unique global appearance with a particular website domain address and still have another base on the country they are being situation, just as you've made an example from your illustration OP, another good example is the Binance exchange, they have the global and US Binance, so are some of these gambling platforms they are mostly thesame except if the hackers cloned their website version or domain name to scam people.

Hahahahahahahaha..!!! Exactly!
He actually meant to say "casino houses" but then, we all understood the massage behind the information he conveyed..

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I think all of the casinos you mentioned isn't sharing any domian maintenance and operators.. 1xbit is managed by a different set of malicious techs and it obviously has a different brand name from 1xbet.. you can't expect peeps to condemn them for whatever atrocities ixbit has committed over the years now...

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Im having ton the same thoughts on which they might really be just that similar on name but those domain names differences is really that noticeable or something that needs to watch out.
Nothing is confirmed for them to be on the same ownership not unless if there would really be some formal or official announcement that they are operating both offline and online
but if we cant really be able to see such thing then it is really that safe to assume that they are owned by different individuals. Names could really be named the same
but there would really be those slight letter differences or whatsoever. There might be similar on some time but making some indepth research would be the key
if you are really trying to dig up something.

This is why we have to do our own research first before you gamble on any site just to be sure that you are dealing with the best site and not taking the risk of getting scam. Didn’t know how the offline gambling works in a world of crypto where its totally online, I’m really curious about this one. Having that offline version seems alarming to me and I’m not ok with it honestly especially if the site is still new and can’t be trusted.

Both posibilties are quite reasonable, if you asked me. If an offline casinos wanted to expand their operations in the realm of online gambling, then it would make sense they would try to hire some personnel to handler the online version, while the usual personnel takes care of the offline version, it is always possible to hire the wrong people who may end up sinking the reputation of the online version beyond redemption.
It is also possible those online versions were conceived from the begginning as a tool to selectively scam clients and gamblers who live overseas and hence, cannot do much about the scam. That would be something done by the casino to survive by stealing funds under a different name, while keeping their original brand somewhat intact, during periods of times when the business is not doing good.

One is fiat, and the other is crypto casino... There are fiat land-based casinos with their internet version, at least in my country almost all land-based casinos have their online version and they are pretty much the same, but of course, that online version has more slot & live games, but when it comes to sports markets they are the same, with same odds. I noticed that online versions offer some nice bonuses, but that is probably to attract more people.

As far as I know, there is still no land-based crypto casino, at least not fully crypto. I guess there are land-based casinos that accept crypto, but that's not the same. Maybe Stake (as one of the biggest probably) will build one in the near future.

Perspective plays a huge role in this. Online and offline versions of platforms are one and the same, with the same values and mode of operation, what changes is the customers and how they perceive the platform.

- Physical players will attribute majority of any issue they face to the short comings of the staff they meet at the outlet and less to the general company itself, but in the online version it is all targeted to the business.

- Also, it is difficult to carry out routine scams like defaulting on payment in a physical outlet, cause the customer is there in person, but online is more complicated. The team can block them out and ask customer care to keep repeating the same generic text to them till they get tired.

- Lastly, this forum is not the standard for online perception. 1xbet and 1xBit has a bad rep here, but the rest of the internet does not really care for what they do.

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Fivestar4everMVP, you should take a break from bitcointalk

Nah, to be honest I think almost the same way as you do, but in terms of online vs real life (I still have a shred of sanity left, but not much).

Now that you talk about 1xbit/1xbet, taking into account their reputation here, I was surprised to see that they have ads in top crypto services like coinmarketcap or myetherwallet. I still talking about the online version, but regardless their reputation in the forum, it seems that there are still some doubts about their legitimacy or such platforms wouldn't advertise them. Or most probably these platforms are simply sold to the highest bidder.

And now you tell us that in your country they have physical locations too where people can gamble? Now you have completely surprised me. Who knows, it might be true that they are changing their modus operandi. There's no need to be shady when the legal business is good...

I think OP has a confusion, if you have a casino with a restricted area that doesn't mean it's offline.

Some casinos need to make some mirrors with small changes based on the local laws, and a good example of this is stake.com and stake.us. Since US users can't play on the dot com site they have their own version, which is like a clone or a mirror of the original but with a little twist in the Terms Of Service.

I’ve never heard the term offline casino before. I was wondering how an online casino could have an offline version but it seems as though you’re talking about an actual casino that exists physically. Very weird to refer to it as an offline casino. I think you may be spending a little too much time behind a computer if you refer to normal things in your life as the offline versions.

From my what I knew the 1xbet thing you mentioned above must be the same company.
On certain countries the casinos (online) using agents to promote their service, here is how it works:
The agent must deposit some money, for example $10k and they will be given limited access to the casino backoffice to handle anyone who registered under the agent.
The user can pay with cash or bank transfer to the agent and he/she will credit it manually, same method with withdrawal.
The user will be given a username and password to access the platform and if the user doesnt have a smartphone then they only need to call the agent or meet face to face to check the odds and place the bets.
The agent will get commissions from any bets (no matter win or lose) made by everyone under his referrals also the agent has a privilege to become "a house" for any users under him (share profits/loss with the casino).
There will be no KYC for the users with this method, however rogue agents can runaway with the users money and the casino will be not responsible for that.

These might be the answer why 1xbet is popular there while in here the platform famous as a scam platform, any issue with the platform will be taking care by the agents.
The platform will not dare to confiscated any money including the users deposit/balance under the agent, maybe they will only void the bet if they think the games are rigged or the user abuse it.

It has already been proven in the forum, and I think I have also read about it aside from this forum that both casinos are owned and managed by the same individuals, which many times the 1Xbit itself has proven to be a scam casino in here due to the many unresolved issues they have here.
 
In the aspect of betting with them in their offline shop, you are not the only one who has had experience with them. Many of my friends bet in their physical shop, and even on the 1xBet online betting sites, they have been winning and losing just as they experience in other casinos, and there has not been any issue of withdrawal problems or account closure issues. This experience has been brought here to the forum before, and someone confirmed that they were close to someone who won close to $40k in local currency and were able to withdraw it.
 
What I just believe is that most of these casinos have different representatives in different countries, and different licencing licences are being governed by them. Maybe the person in charge of the one in our locality still wants to maintain a good reputation, and it could also be possible that the casino active here can just be a partnership where someone else is completely in control of it and the main team might have nothing to do with it.

Just to mention a justification for the fact that 1xbet has similar to 1xbit operators,  because recently 1xbet has been called out by some Nigerians who won 80 million nairas and 1xbet blatantly refuses to pay them their winning, this is the same pattern being used by both casin which justify to that fact.

But on the bet king's situation,  I haven't really been following up with the casino here in the online community,  although the casino is quite popular here in the local region.

So apart from the information that betking.com and betking.io are not the same, the reason I want to adduce to the difference between offline casinos or game house and online casino in terms of reputation is that offline casino is quite physical and the owner might even be seen on the streets or the resident is a public secret. Therefore, the proximity is there and he could probably be lynched by aggrieved addict  . So they always would keep their game on top notch unlike online casino that remedy at worst scenario would be a court adjudication.

Personally, I completely understand this, and I believe that any one who have spent atleast one year online should already know this as well that, some scammers are so talented to the extent that they can clone an entire website and make it look exactly like the original one, the only place there will be some kind of difference is in the link, that is the url, which they will also try as much as possible to make it look like exactly the original one, but there will always be a letter difference, which sometimes is usually hard to notice, except the user pays a very close attention.

However, what we are discussing is quite different from this, it's like a company that is operating online and offline, but people trust and patronize the said company offline, meanwhile, on their online version, they are seen or perceived as scammers.
This is what we are discussing exactly.

I was thinking about it to be a casino owned by two different people but possibly they must have registered and paid to have the name in their favor as it is a popular casino that is well known in the gambling industry. The casino might likely varies in terms of administration and management activities because the both team experience in managing both  casinos also varies in different perspective as they are coming form both dimension and engagement. Looking at the both services, the online casino might have lapses with some aspect of the casino which would warrant uproars and definitely affect the casino as it is a virtual or digitally managed while the offline casino is more of the physical bet office very close to the people and are swift to responding to the complaint of their clients which is very much complex with the online casino. I think these few points are valid to go with.

I'm not sure if betking.io used betking.com's reputation.

betking.com might be an established casino in nigeria but as it goes with many such businesses, they've optimized their services to this country's audience mostly.
I browse online casinos daily and never happened to come across betking.com. Most probably that's because it's a casino specific to Nigeria. For casinos that seek out national licenses it's almost a must to actually optimize their services to the country they're holding the license at, so it doesn't surprise me.

From this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59824374
1xbet and 1xbet are owned by the same individuals or organization. This is because both websites use the same IP addresses and they both use the same wallet. There is no information to determine if these casinos are managed by different people but that might be the case.

It might also be true that 1xbet was mismanaged which led to the decline of its reputation. It is easier to scam people in online casinos than in its offline version. Government regulations and policies and the casino's physical presence will make offline casinos up and running. They will do everything possible to make the business work because some person can be held responsible for their failure.

Yes, I sure confused both, and this is because I actually have always thought that both are the same, and operated under the same management, just getting to learn now that they are both different gambling companies.

And this prompted me to do a small research on both, and I now discovered that betking.com was registered in 2001 and is highly trusted, while betking.io was registered in 2015, and is with a bad reputation in terms of trust, which means, betking.io management probably used the good reputation of betking.com to scam people who must have (like myself) believe that they are the same company and invested in them.

It's all becoming clear to me now, never knew that it was possible for two different companies to register under the same domain name with different extension.

IMO, even they're provided offline service.

If the service came from the same provider/company, off course they're same. But, If you asking from different company/casino comparing to (Online Casino A x Offline Casino B) you are gonna to get a different things.

So, same casino = same
different casino = different

You may experience confusion when encountering two similar website names with different domains. This is because some scammers may create websites with names similar to reputable ones with the intention of gaining users trust. They then use this trust to trick users into depositing their money onto their platforms. It is important to exercise caution and double-check the website's authenticity before making any financial transactions.

The rules of playing in the online version and offline version of gambling, the odds may be the same, but in terms of reputation and to hide yourself from gambling, online casino is a much better medium because when you play offline gambling, you have to face people.  Again, chances of panic in offline gambling are high, but in case of online gambling, one can sit in a quiet place and play with a cool head.  However, both online and offline casinos are the same in terms of regulations

Have you checked that of the forum is 1xbit and not 1xbet though I don't know if they are both the same since I never used them before in the forum, then back to offline 1xbet I have I actually used it to gamble then and I don't see any issues with them my withdrawal and deposit was smooth without any bad records. Sometimes I noticed that this sites are dependants of the representative or customer care services how active they are to resolve issues and if they are that active and smart believe no one will file a case against them or even raise a topic for them, look very well you will see is either kyc problem or withdrawal issues and when a bettor starts passing through all these things they are easily led to create scam against them since they can't handle the situation.

Note I am not in any way supporting any of these sites

Could it be that you're confusing betking.com with betking.io?

I'm pretty sure betking.io was a casino that started with an ICO and is pretty notorious over here in bitcointalk for having many dissatisfied investors. There's a huge discussion about this in the thread you also linked in the OP.

So the Nigerian betking seems to be a successful casino in Nigeria but probably has nothing to do with the .io betking that's known in bitcointalk.

I do not think it is impossible because there is franchise, where an individual or group of individuals can pay for the License of an already established company to operate under them with their name, so maybe the operators of the online versions of these offline casinos are different.


Another angle to it is that some of these offline casino's are not meant to run online arms because they are not prepared for it or do not have the resources for it, but they go ahead to ignore these all, and start the online side, as a result they fail.

Not all casinos are meant to be online.

Well, I am talking or discussing about their difference in reputation in particular, I've sometime played on 1xbet online, but have never played offline through their betting agents, so I honestly do not have any idea if online and offline odds of this casinos are different, I am particularly an online gambler, which is to say that, all my gambling activities have always been online even though we have alot of local betting agents here representing different casinos with physical offices and shops, I've never tried any of them.

So I am particularly concerned about that difference in their reputation, not odds or frequency of winnings in slot or their casino games, I wouldnt know if there is a difference in odds if I never did try the both versions.

So, yeah, it's all about their reputation that seems to counter each other that I am particularly interested in.

I confirm that betking.com is online and is the legitimate one I am talking about, but betking.io is also still online, but doesnt look like a full-fledged casino, since the only the game find their is the Hi-Lo game.

Thank you for pointing this out to me.

Do you mean that the difference is only in reputation? Or do the odds on sports betting and the frequency of winnings in slots differ?
Of course, there is more trust in an offline office, because it is more difficult for them to refuse payment

I believe you are pertaining to Betking.com which is the one popular on Nigeria while the Betking.io is already closed online casino that is once popular in the popular but shutdown due to failure on managing bankroll from their investors.

They are different casino.

Regarding 1xbet and the one in your local, I’m not sure the background but some local version of the same brand sometimes have different owner/management. This is the reason why the experience seems different while they have similar brand.

If yes, then why is it that in terms of trust, they appear to be so different?

I will give you guys two examples.

My first example is 1xbet.com
   Over here in my country, we have a local domain for this casino which is known as either ng.1xbet.com or 1xbet.ng, I want to believe that the global domain is 1xbet.com.

Now, here is the thing, here in my country, we trust 1xbet to be one of the most reputable gambling and betting platform, Infact, there are hundreds of thousands of betting agents scattered all over the states in the country that are directly affiliated with this casino, and millions of gamblers all over the country patronize them.

But coming back to the online version of 1xbet, we learn that the same company that founded 1xbit-(a casino proven to be operated by scammers), is the same company that founded 1xbet, and for this reason (I suppose) 1xbet can't be trusted, and many online gamblers advice other gamblers online to stay away from 1xbet, meanwhile, offline, this casino is highly trusted.


My second example is Betking.io
    Betking.io is another highly trusted betting and gambling casino in their offline version, over here in Nigeria, this casino is known as one of the most big and successful betting company all over the country, just as I commented here, they have alot of betting agents all over the country with millions of customers, Infact, in my street alone, we have 4 or 5 betting agents who are affiliate of betking.io.

This is another highly trusted betting and gambling casino in their offline version,
But coming back to their online version, they have the worst reputation in terms of trust, Infact, on this forum, Betking representative have alot of negative tags from highly reputable members of this forum, and we all are warned to stay away from playing on this casino.


What exactly, or why is offline and online version of the same casino sometimes different in terms of reputation/trust?
- Is possible that online and offline version are owned, and managed by two different persons?
- or is it that some casinos do not know how to manage their online version well to build trust?

Lets discuss this please.