Topic: Gambling is okay,but selling(or buying) followers is not(neg trust worthy)? (Read 452 times)

Since not even the admins here have the courtesy to reply to my question on why they are deleting my answers when I'm telling the truth.

I've proven that Lauda is a self-righteous bitch, choosing carefully who she negs, even tho I provided evidence Hero and Legendary members were doing the same thing I have received a neg for. marlboroza is a petty penny hoarder, someone who puts his affiliate link and advertises gambling websites for a few bucks of the profit is not worth my time. Last, we have yogg - who attacked me and called me a crook even tho he was an account seller back in the day. So all in all, a great little circle jerk gang which can't see farther than their noses.

This will be my last post regarding this subject, I'm disappointed in the forum and the admins who actively were involved in censorship. This forum is going downhill, now you know why. Your power hungry, frustrated DT members are killing the community, I hope you're happy when you're left only with the circle jerk gang.

Sure. But I'm not one to leave feedback on people I haven't done business with. Despite my opinion on social media manipulation I'll neither neg you nor the other guy. I'm only here because of the complaint about the perceived hypocrisy of allowing gambling and tumbler ads.

Okay, now that you are the only one that commented on this, do you believe those members should be negged just like me? To paraphrase, does it deserve a neg at all(since if yes, then they must be negged and I will be waiting for the members to neg them)?

So we come to the conclusion that the following statement is false:


At least that's some progress.

Blindly investing is not much different from gambling. Unlike "companies" buying followers, casinos are at least not pretending to be anything else but.

Unlike tumblers that are also being used by privacy concious individuals, there's little to no use for fake twitter followers outside of trying to scam people.



I already stated my opinion on social media manipulation as a service. Just because I didn't comment on it, doesn't mean I condone it.

Wrong.

Is gambling okay? That's your question? I doubt anyone that has seen what gambling does to people can say it's "okay". I agree responsibility plays a role, but some people are born with a character flaw that gambling magnifies. Would society be better off without gambling? Yes, it would.

You can stand by your opinion, but you're the one that claims mine is childish and wrong.



Who's pushing opinions down someone's throat here?

I know what the consequences are. I know what the consequences of drinking or doing drugs can be as do most people. That's why most people enjoy these things in moderation, also like gambling, but that's up to the individual. What facts are you backing up exactly? Show me the facts that prove gambling is immoral. You are either not actually reading anything I'm saying or are incapable of understanding any opinion or argument to your own. None of what you're saying is relevant to the argument I'm making here at all. Nobody has said you can't get addicted to gambling so what exactly are you trying to prove? The argument is that gambling is not immoral nor does everyone get addicted to gambling. Most people do not get addicted to gambling. Most people do not get addicted to alcohol. The fact that some do is completely irrelevant.



I know why people enjoy gambling. It's the same reason why people like drugs, sex and chocolate. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy them responsibly. Again, you're trying to disprove an argument I'm not making.

Anyway, since you are incapable of actually making a valid point based on the arguments I'm making and I've said all I needed to say on the matter, I'll leave you with the answer to your question:

[is] Gambling is okay?

Yes. Yes it is. Get over it.

Actually a lot of advertisers are losing money because of fake bot views. Not just their advertising expenditure, but some of their legitimate enquiries are being blocked. It has become a bit of an issue, and it may be a partial contributor to their share price reduction.

So my morals are flawed because you say so when I say the same I'm childish? I doubt you've ever seen the consequences of gambling buddy, you can ask any psych in the world what his stance on gambling is. You can read up on it, but stop writing your own opinion and acting like it's the law, because mine is actually backed up by facts.


Twitter followers make people lose money the same way blindly investing does. Companies can buy followers so they can get coverage and spread the word to more people(because the way social media algorithms work, engagement + following = more impressions). It's on the investors to check the real project and what's behind it. Just because you have followers doesn't mean you are reputable.

I notice neither of you have anything to say about the thread where Legendary and Hero members buy fake services. Double standards? 

Serious question though, why do you think money is being spent on fake twitter followers, facebook likes and reddit upvotes?

No, the garbage is coming from you again. Gambling by itself isn't an addiction. It's a game/entertainment. Is drinking alcohol and having sex an addiction too? No, not by itself, but some people can get addicted to them both and lose lots of money and ruins their lives in the process. Your point is fundamentally flawed and based on pure ignorance.

You're the one who is acting high and mighty but you're too naive and blinded by your own ignorance to see this. You're acting as if gambling is a crime when in the vast majority of places it isn't (and it certainly shouldn't be). You should have zero authority to tell people what they can and can't do with their own money.


No. I think you're a child because you're behaving like one and are making arguments from a very childish/ignorant and misinformed mindset. You can oppose gambling all you want. You can oppose drugs as well, but I think you have zero right to tell anyone else what they can and can't do with their own money or body.


I know the consequences, but you don't know the facts and are making very faulty arguments based on opinion rather than facts. Most people can gamble or drink or have sex or eat chocolate or take painkillers without it becoming a problem. I can do all those things without them becoming an issue. Some can't. That's their responsibility to handle. You look after yourself and lets others look after themselves but just because some people can't handle their drink, drugs, or gambling habits doesn't mean everyone else can't and shouldn't be able to enjoy those things responsibly and it certainly isn't immoral of them to do so.


Your rank is irrelevant here, but your flawed morals and opinions are what we're judging you on.

Lol, I doubt people are losing money because of fake Twitter followers.
But if you want to talk about
Here's a thread where a few Hero and Legendary members buy or ask about SMM services: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/buy-followerslikessharesviews-4-facebook-twitter-instagram-and-youtube-1937884


Feel free to tag them then or are there minimum rank requirements to buying fake followers? 

I think selling and buying followers are not trusted actions since in the end who buy followers does it to get more stacks on bounties.
So in my opinion this activity must be discouraged. I do not know if with DT red tag or not, this is not responsibility.
Imagine a case in which a user uses 10 accounts with 10,000 followers bought, the result is an undeserving division of the stacks.

In the end fake twitter followers and reddit upvotes are still being used to manipulate people into losing their money to someone else, every other view on things is rather naive.

Besides you seem to imply that it's hypocritical / logically inconsistent to accept gambling and tumblers while battling social media manipulation, which is sort of a weird argument to make. Just because one thinks that gambling and tumblers are OK, they also have to accept social media manipulation? Should being OK with people smoking weed also lead to being OK with investment bankers peddling potentially toxic assets?

In an ideal world legality would fully coincide with morality, alas this is not and can not be the case. In the end a community has to police itself and if it finds a certain set of behaviours acceptable (eg. gambling) while condemning others (eg. social media manipulation) you either play by the rules or find yourself a community that shares your values.

Again a load of garbage. Gambling is a fcking addiction and can lead to large losses and a disaster. I already apologized for the e-mails and closed the thread a few days ago. Stop acting so high and mighty, I'm being negged for fraudulent marketing which is absurd. Lol, so fake followers are a fraud but advertising god knows whos casino is totally legit.

You think I'm a child because I'm an opposer of gambling? That fact alone shows how much you know about the consequences, "casual gamblers" are just addicts waiting to be born. Suit yourself. Obviously, this is no place for me, as it's totally unimportant what I or any other lower ranking member has to say. The only things that matter here are senior members and their flawed morals, you're untrusted if you don't oblige to their "judgment" lol.

Here's a fun thread where a bunch of Hero Members buy SMM services: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/buy-followerslikessharesviews-4-facebook-twitter-instagram-and-youtube-1937884

What do you think? 

He's showing the flaws in your infantile logic. You are clearly a child with a very immature opinion if you think Gambling is one of the 'worst sins' and the only person who is ignorant here is you. Everybody else is being completely rational and logical except you.


Gambling is just entertainment for most people. I know many people who gamble very occasionally and it's just a bit of fun for them. Sometimes people win and sometimes they lose but they know what they're doing. I know a lot of people who drink alcohol occasionally and have met very few people who have ever had a problem with it. Some people might ruin their lives with gambling/drinking/smoking/drugs/eating/sexing/driving, but that's their own issue to deal with and people are responsible for their own habits and addictions and I think that should be none of your concern.


How about you practice what you preach and stop being a huge hypocrite? Some people believe in the choice of freedom so stop trying to push your own opinions and beliefs down the throat of others. Nobody cares what you personally think is a sin. People should be able to do what they want with their own money and that includes gamble, buy drugs, sex or whatever else you might think is sinful. Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to gamble and people have a choice and nobody else is responsible for that. The people who's personal details are on that email list you're trying to sell that is probably compiled illegally and likely without their consent have no say in the matter of who buys their personal info, so yes, that is more immoral and shady than advertising a gambling site in my opinion.

Well, thanks for taking the time to engage in the discussion anyway.

I'm not a good person to be involved in this discussion. I don't think accounts should be bought and sold, and I've just read your sig.

Destructive to this forum? What does this forum have to do with my services? I never sold accounts of Bitcointalk, nor Merit, nor anything. The point of this thread is why my services are so "frowned upon" by higher-ranking members, while they earn their money from gambling websites. You'll soon be left with only Hero and Legendary members since everyone else is bullied into leaving the forum. Seriously, trust has become a total joke, I hope you realize this before it's too late. Lauda first wasn't sure whether I should receive a neg, then marlboroza pointed out they tagged someone for buying Reddit upvotes so they tagged me. If you're not sure in the first place, wouldn't it be fairer to remove that users neg than to neg me? If you already had a doubt in your mind, how can you act so freely?

I think we are getting away from the main point in this thread. That relates to the sale or purchase of rank, favour or reputation. I haven't looked at your specific case, but as a general principle, I support Lauda in his belief that such traders are destructive for this forum. I started to post on Steemit, but I backed away a bit when I realised that one had to purchase the promotion of one's content, and that quality was of secondary importance.

We can argue who knows more about it, but I'd rather not talk about it. It's fair to say we are both knowledgeable about it.

So should I start a fake follower education seminar informing people that fake followers exist? Should I tell them companies use fake followers on social media or is it fair to say that it's well known? Drugs are also a well knows subject, when is the forum going to start advertising them? I'm sure everyone knows the risk of using drugs.

Your funds are insured in banks at least up to a certain point depending on the country, mostly around 50k to 80k. It's safe to say whoever deposits more than that has done his research or at least has someone who does his finance.

@Ludji

Actually I probably know more about gambling than you do. I ran a horse racing book at school. I played cards for a living for a year when I was 19, and I helped a friend to set up a casino in the West End of London. Also, I made money playing Blackjack in Casinos before they changed the rules. I've also promoted on-line casinos.

Now lets look at alcohol. Excessive alcohol or alcohol dependence is bad - there is no question about that. Is alcohol in moderation bad? well I don't believe that it is. What is bad is cheap alcohol, and this is because of the impurities in it. It is far better to educate people in the enjoyment of the taste of quality alcoholic drinks, and to wean them off the pursuit of escape through the effects of alcohol. Much the same applies to gambling. It is far better to address the causes of destructive behaviour, than to try to ban it, and force it underground.

With reference to banks - how many people research the banks exposure to toxic debt and derivatives, or understand the risks of bail-ins, Their choice of bank is a gamble based on the bank's advertising in most cases.

What are you trying to get at? Gambling is one of the worst sins a man can have, it's made so only the casino wins. Don't try to dumb it down. The stock market is a capital market, gambling has no purpose other than to make the casinos money. Your stupid examples have only shown how ignorant you are of the damage gambling can do. Also, I don't see any regulation in the Bitcoin gambling world, do you?


They are most certainly not a part of modern life. The choice of a bank is a gamble, please clarify this point? People visit casinos because they are gamblers, you clearly have never seen the damage it does to both people and their families. There is nothing "recreational" about it. Sensible is an unknown term for any gambler. You've pointed out players will lose? It's like selling drugs and saying people will die, it's not any better mate.

-No. Just no. Look, you can advertise it all you want mate, nothing will come of it, but what you believe in is certainly not true. You're not helping anyone.

Please don't get me wrong, you're free to do whatever you want, but I'd like to ask you, is selling fake followers or views comparable to promoting gambling, a sin that is illegal in some states and that has cost people their home and life. Why are these members deciding what is moral and what is not? Where is their moral or did they earn the right to not have morals and judge others at the same time?

The promotion of gambling sites is a difficult decision. Gambling choices are a part of modern life unfortunately. Even the choice of a bank to use for your fiat transactions has become a bit of a gamble. People visit casinos for recreational purposes, and, if they are sensible and don't lose more than they would spend on other entertainment, then I believe it is their choice. Addiction in any form is bad, and people should seek help if they do have a damaging addiction - this includes smoking, vaping, drugs, alcohol, and sex as well as gambling.

I have promoted gambling sites in the past, and I have pointed out to players that they will lose. The choice of casino just varies the rate and the amount of the loss. By restricting recommendations to the sites that provide the best entertainment value, I believe that you are helping a surfer who is determined to play. It also provides a chance to include links to sites and services that will help the surfer to control his losses.

People lose homes on the stock market. #BanStocks #BanOptions #BanInvesting
Cash is used by criminals. #BanCash
Banks are used by criminals. #BanBanks
Cars are used by criminals. #BanCars
Running is used by criminals. #BanRunning
Bitcoin is illegal in some places. #BanBitcoin
People lose homes through lawsuits/criminal investigations. #BanTheLegalSystem
The Internet is used by criminals. #BanTheInternet

etc

I already said that and quoted it? You are both evading like crazy, yet feel the need to give out lessons to users who are not looking to do any wrong here. Answer the question I asked you already and stop evading.You still, haven't come up with a good answer?

This is blatant lie. I suggested users not to reply to your off topic replies:

I post in this forum because I want to see what the users think and because nobody is replying on the original thread since marlboroza "warned" them not to reply. Also, this is a forum-wide issue and concernes the forum and staff.


You still haven't answered the question Lauda. I just want to see what the users of Bitcointalk think about this, maybe they're not all hypocrites like you and marlboroza.

Hey man, why you post it in meta? Trust isn't moderated by forum. There is appropriate reference link why you got tagged. And I think it's valid reason to tag you. Move your topic on reputation from lower left.


What you mean illegal things? And who is promoting affiliate links ?

Forum isn't limited for some state. Forum is like open source. Bitcoin isn't legal all over world. So we need to closed this forum?

You've said this already yet done the opposite. You seem to be a liar.

I was talking about this thread from marlboroza, by the way, who accused me in the first place:

I need best ad network for gambling site

So Lauda, you think that it's okay to advertise something that is illegal in some states, plain wrong and can cost someone their life literally? Why are you both evading the question? Don't worry, I'll leave the forum, you've done your job. Nice to see how DT members are responsible and not emotion-driven. Meanwhile, you dumdums can't even answer a simple question, because you know very well how wrong you are. Stop being hypocrites and acting like saints when you're not. What you're doing is ten times worse for the community.

There are no affiliate links in any of the mentioned signatures. Time to go away and everyone will be much more satisfied.

So I received neg trust just now by a user(Lauda) after being accused by marlboroza.


I just want the users and staff of Bitcointalk to realize what they are doing. I never scammed, lied, or cheated anyone on this forum and I received neg trust. Meanwhile your senior users advertise illegal things and they are the law here. I hope the senior members are satisfied with their decision, now they can go back to earning a few bucks on people that are squandering their money away through their affiliate links. Well done!