Topic: Game Winner Result Changed After 24 hours (Defaulted) (Read 309 times)

I've experience this before that there's some issue it's seems like Frankfurt Major in that time I can't remember what tournaments name but that game the providers makes their bet to their wallets so there's no bet really happen. If the management of the game decided the winner and still the game is currently running on the platform they will consider those as match winners.
In some point could be included in the ToS of the platform they already known this instances could happen so already included in here.

I agree with your statement.

I think this kind of situation can be answered depending on the TOS of each respective gambling websites. If they stipulate that once a winner has been declared, regardless of any future protest against it, then it would not refund and declare the other team as a winner.

Though this kind of situation contemplates cheating, it is wholly dependent on the gambling platform's TOS that will dictate the answer to this question. But personally, if a team has been declared a winner but subsequently they were caught cheating, the winnings should be void and the gambling platform must refund the amount in favour of the new winning team.

I think there are a lot of instances that can be used as an example here? Especially in csgo, where on the top of my head there are probably at least 2 or 3 tournaments where someone was caught cheating (afaik though, some were caught live and not AFTER the game).

Afaik though the bet should either be considered void or as is, after all the result was changed hours after the game itself, most likely as is though, considering that after 24hrs a lot of money could've changed hands (or been spent) already, and tackling it one at a time to "ask" players to return it is never going to work, since in the first place, it's a LOT to work on.

Dont know if there are already created some terms and conditions in related into this kind of condition on which there's sudden decision about revoking that win because of an specific condition or issue which it would really

be no possible that the site or platform would really be taking those winnings back considering that most of those bettors had made out some withdrawal of those winnings which it would be understandable.
Now they would really be needing to pay double considering that those losers becomes winners on which they would really be sued out such thing. This is why there's no clarification on how they would
really be able to handle up such situation which it would really be that hard about having this default situation.

Considered losses? Most likely the case but we know that they could be able to patch it up in no time.

If there’s a firm ToS, the site can easily get back the reward but of course it will create panic as many already enjoys their winnings. This incident is indeed unacceptable and can ruin the reputation of the sports. The site will surely create a more clear statement or rules with regards to this one, and that we should be more aware of this especially if you’re into esports as the result can be changed once the winning team get caught for cheating.

eSports' reputation has been damaged by this episode, and betting platforms' accountability is in question. The answer to your inquiry isnt simple. If a gaming platform has settled bets, reversing the transactions would be logistically and ethically difficult. Additionally, it would need to consider the potential blowback from users who had withdrawn or spent their prizes.

Reversing transactions could cause user confusion and unrest. The "winners" would be outraged at their abrupt "loss," while the "losers" may see it as a second chance. Practical limits and user emotion must be considered when deciding whether platforms should promote fairness and justice. Platform TOS and regulatory environments will determine the course of action

Check the casino ToS on how they handle overturn result on matches that announces winner a couple hours or more after bet settled. Void matches or the result is as is based on the initial result are the two most common outcome on bets like this. Tundra doesn’t win on the actual match since BB 2-0 them. The result is just overturned due to viaolation which found out after the game and not during the game.

Do you bet on Tundra? Because you are lucky that your bet is just cancelled since other casino doesn't change the initial result if the decision is made after 24hrs after bet settled.

Would depend on the terms of the gambling site I guess. But technically, match winner should still be the bottomline so if there are changes with it, then same thing should go with the winning bet. However this would be hard to execute such that winners before the changes could have pulled out their funds already and a platform cannot do something about it such as pushing them do return the money 'coz in the first place this should be a matter between the league and the gambling site regarding their partnership. If fault would be more of the provider then ofcourse burden should be into it.

Gamblers who have lost the match might start questioning and asking the sportsbook to give them a refund since the team they had their bets on didn't actually lose but it was declared the loser by mistake, but I don't really think that the sportsbook would give any refund or deduct the balance of those gamblers who managed to win because that will surely affect their system and a lot of people might even stop using that sportsbook for future.

So the most likely scenario for a sportsbook's reaction after something like that would be that they wouldn't do anything and just keep things the way they are because the bets have already been settled and undoing that would make a lot of gamblers mad and might result in them losing some loyal gamblers.

Have you ever seen a situation where this happened? I don't recall ever seeing any bookmaker charge an amount in this way.
Maybe the betting company takes the loss in that situation.


It is a very complicated issue, and I can understand both sides, the companies and the bettors.
It is clear in the rules that if the results are changed by the organizers in cheating situations, the betting company can cancel the bets, but the issue that 24 hours have passed is complicated
Maybe each case is analyzed individually

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The closest I have ever seen to this situation is in soccer, where several players participated in actions that interfered with the results. But they only found out a few months later, making it impossible to take any action.

i did a complaint to BC Casino aswell and my bets were csncelled, anything one Else here? i dont know If void IS the right result or Tundras victory.

I understand that each casino has the right to put its own TOS, but cases like this should not be annulled, in my opinion when a game for example has 90 minutes and after the 90 minutes pass and the game ends, and there is a winner then the event has already ended, if hours later it is discovered that the game had some cheating it will no longer make any sense for the casino to void the bets because it was not the fault of the people who placed bets on the game so they cannot be penalized for an error that did not commit, and it is very different from a case in which during the game it is verified that there is cheating and they stop the game and in this case they cancel the game, in this case it makes perfect sense to cancel the game and return the money of all the people who made it bets

because let's imagine the following: a team A plays 5 games and wins in all games, so it is at the top of the league, but 2 weeks later the league regulators discover that in the 5 games in which team A won they cheated to win, so the casinos are going to cancel the 5 games and take people's winnings? so it won't make any sense to annul games that have already ended, whoever won keeps the winnings because it's not their fault, in my opinion. I know that casinos have their rules and I respect them, but I think that the most logical thing in these cases is that nothing is canceled hours or days after the game is over.

This is a very delicate case that is handled individually by each bookmaker.

First, you need to see what the site's TOS says, it usually has information (everyone should have) about how this is handled, especially about the deadline they consider for this correction.

Second, it is necessary to check if the sites have some "grace" time that prevents players from withdrawing their funds after the announcement of the initial result, as it would be very complicated to rectify the winners if they have already received and withdrawn their prizes.

Certainly the most correct thing is to correct the result according to the official information, but this will not always be possible.

There are supposed to be profits as well as losses  in a business  and the casino isn't exempted  on this losses.
Rather than wanting to deduct this winnings which is already settled, why not count it as loss and if the casino can easily just temper with my betting balance without getting permissions from me then, I wouldn't have to see them or consider them as trustworthy because every civilized person is supposed to follow due process and not just temper with a winning that was already settled to me.

If they already making withdrawals from accounts with available balance,  then what happens to those accounts that the withdrawal  has already been made ?

If they would really be making out that negative into their balances and would really be just having that kind of deduction on next time users deposit then it wouldnt really be that much effective since they could just simply make out some new account.

Ip address related? They could simply make use of VPN
Still hesitated? They could really just simply find out another place to bet on.

Whether they do like it or not, there would be no bettors or users who had be able to get those winnings will really be giving back those win back into their accounts.This is why i do agree on some
points above that they would really be just ending up on patching up those amounts and considered to be a total loss of their revenue.

Cancelling the bet event seems the favourable solution for both users as well as the casino so no one is going to lose, obviously the casino will take considerably hit if they already paid the event but still they can reverse the winning and only accounts with zero balance could be a complete loss for casino if the user never deposit any money there.

That's what I was thinking, those who have no balance in their accounts when the result was inverted will have a negative balance and those who have balance will see it getting deducted but both of them will be mad and won't like it because it's not their fault at all if the event organizers couldn't manage things well and the winning team was declared loser later on, I know it's not the fault of those who chose the other side but it's what it is.

Most casinos platform would not take any action in my opinion since the bets and balances have already been settled and things will get bad if they deduct the balances of the previous winners and give them to the new winners after the change of the results have been announced.

I believe that in situations like this, most casinos have provisions to void bets, and these should be clearly defined in their terms and conditions. As for what happens if they have already paid out your winnings, I cannot say from personal experience since I've never been in that predicament. However, I assume that if the balance becomes negative, the corresponding amount will be deducted from the user's next deposit. It's not an ideal situation by any means, but it seems like you don't really have much choice if you want to continue using that platform. Creating a new account would likely violate the casino's terms of use, putting you at risk of having your account blocked and your funds confiscated.

Honestly this look confusing because I still don't get why they decided to revert the result to lose when some persons would have cash out there winning and go there separate ways. Some winners might like not have cash out there winnings which will finally lead to a lose and can bring regret. If the result is reverted, what will be the fate of the people that have concluded that they'll lose and had taken there mind from the game. What will also be the fate of those that had cash out there profits coming to see that they will have to return the fund back to the casino. This might cause a big problem and more loses.

For sure they would really be asking out for those funds to be back but unlikely that all of those amounts wouldnt really be that given back because players or to those who do win would definitely
be considered it to be their win and wont really be tending to give those amounts back on their account. This is why bookies would really be trying out to compensate to those
losers who do became winners suddenly but i dont actually know on what would be the set up for this one but this would really be most likely on having no patch ups for winning the game.
Most winners would have already made out their withdrawals on that time.

Yes, it would really be totally depending or according into their Terms and conditions on what would be their approach for this because if they would really be having need to pay up those
winners because of these match up huge changes then it would really be a big expense for them.Its true that if you do win then make up some withdrawals
then you are that indeed lucky.

I dont understand why Pure had to see a live stream while he was still competing, and funny thing he knows very well that the game room they were in is full of camera's..just a clumsy decision from him to be honest!!

As for the results,  well results are Based on final score and not technical results..I can only imagine having won such a bet and only to come back to see your balance is less than expected or in the negative...but i believe sportsbooks will settle it  as it was the first time not based on amended results.

You can find youtube videos with players found cheating in live tournaments. I remember that one guy had an aimbot encoded into the flash memory of his mouse. People will do anything to win, but in many of these cases they can cause a lot of problems not only to themselves but also their teammates. Basically they lose everything in that single stupid move: position, money, contract, recognition, fans, friends...

To answer the OP's question, if you're lucky and manage to withdraw, the money's yours, but most casinos will roll it back and take the win if they can in such case.

That would depend on the casino's terms of service (ToS). Some casinos may overlook including it in their terms, but I believe that most are able to specify it. I don't know the exact numbers, but I do agree that once a bet is settled, it shouldn't be changed. However, there's also the aspect of fairness for those who lost due to an unforeseen event. In such cases, it might be better for the bet to be voided, and the bettors should be able to understand the reasons behind why the match has been voided.

I support that ToS rule because the sportsbook platform cannot be responsible for mistakes on the part of the organizer of the event. If the organizer could not find proof of cheating on the day of the game and did not suspend the announcement of the result of the match, they're to blame here, not the casino. It's impossible for the casino to start suing people, demanding they return the money, in case they've already withdrawn. It's better to take the result as given by the company that judged the event.

Most of the time will be voided.

However, situations like these after the winning are credited. Some of user is already withdraw the money they're winning, (this is just my 2 cent) the casino will trying to cover first. Then, they're gonna hold the user fund/deducted once they fill-up their account again with the money they're deposited.

Off course, this statement is just based of my 2 cent.

With this kind of terms, I believe casino will have a hard time dealing with this specific match result since the rule overturned after 24hours which makes every user potentially withdrawn or lose all their bankroll from the profit in that specific bet.

The match of Betboom against Tundra is clearly a win for Betboom. In my opinion, Duelbits might stand on the initial result since the reason for overturning the result is just a very silly livestream that doesn’t affect the gameplay.

In the sportsbook i've been using, they still haven't changed the results up until now, but if I probably used a different sportsbook, it'd be pushed or settled as void.



I assume most sportsbooks would correct the tickets because that's how they handle it whenever there's an unexpected change in the results. Other bettors can be lucky if the sportsbook doesn't have a rule for these unusual cases, and it might be why my bet is still settled as a win.

Hmm. Definitely something to discuss about with what happened. Taking advantage of that during pause is something that is unfair and can be taken advantage of. I never thought that they would be doing that at that level but I guess that's just how much they want to win. Maybe they can do something.

Damn, whichever the decision goes there is a party that will be mad not just at the platform. The cheat seem effective since they won, they just however were caught though.  
While the Tundra team celebrates, those who bet for Tundra didn't win a thing.

If they have withdrawn I guess they are lucky, I hope the bookmaker will not take away some of his funds when he once again deposits coins to his account. Because I think they will. Its a money loss from them if they allow it.

Once a bet is settled, it stays settled, as the saying goes in the gambling world. This figurative line in the sand ensures that the platform can continue to function as intended and is fair to all users. What happens, though, when the very idea of fair play, which serves as the basis for such integrity, comes into question? Very intriguing...

If the platforms changed the results, wouldn't that be against their own rules? But if they don't, aren't they tacitly supporting dishonest methods? A difficult problem of the highest kind...

Wow, this is not very common to happen, I particularly never experienced this situation.
I was very curious and looked to see if there is something in the rules that details this situation, and I found it, at least on the platform I use:

Source: Duelbits

So, the bets will be voided, but I don't what happens if the users already did a withdraw for example, pretty hard to deal with this situation, since the campanies and the users are not guilty in this case

If its stated on their rules then this option is more possible.
Cheating can happen in sports and the league might change their decision alter on because of this and I'm sure the site are more prepared with regards to this one. Better to contact the support of the site and ask for clarification and what will happen to their bets since the result changed after cheating. I'm looking for a specific clause with regards to this one, so far I didn't see any specific rules for this.

Bets is settled based on the initial official result or the game will be void but most of the time the initial result will govern especially if the bet is already settled before the overturning of the new result.

This is still case to case basis but most of the time my explanation above governed because I experience same scenario like this and I still keep my profit despite my bet result was supposed to be lose based on new result.

Stake.com voided the bet . That would be followed by all other decent sportsbooks

I think cases like this happen very rarely and if it does it usually depends on the TOS on the gambling platform. There are gambling platforms that give refunds to their users, some still maintain the results of the previous match, even if the results change in the end. Because losses will certainly be experienced by both parties, whether it's the gambling platform or the user. If the gambling platform returns, they will definitely make payments twice, which could make them lose. Or if they keep their previous results, maybe they have nothing to lose but will receive protests from users and users may be reluctant to play again on that platform. So cases like this will usually be troublesome for gambling platforms.

That is the main problem. The terms of service will be the best document to settle this controversy. But if the ToS is silent in this matter, there should be a place for compromise, maybe the new and old winners should accept half payments. But if the first winner has absconded, the casino and the new winners would have to find a common ground to settle this issue. The first winner can just withdraw his funds and stop visiting the casino if he is asked to refund the win. Most reputable casinos will devise a way to settle this issue but others might find it difficult to handle it. Some casinos pay 24 hours after a win. This clause would have limited the consequences of this change of result.

That rule is for late changes but in that case results were changes hours after the game ended.

I Will try to talk with them...thanks for the reply

This will be a hard task for the gambling platform themselves but they have to be fair to those who actually won the game after the news.

Another solution is just voiding all the bets on that game. If some gamblers are already paid for their winning ticket then just take back whatever the gambling platform gave them and give back their betting amount. I mean, it will also not be fair for them because they also thought they already won it.
But this is more of a heartache for those who lost the bet but after 24 hours will know they should actually be in profit. Will they accept a "voided" result instead? I will. As long as I get my money back. That's better than a loss and I will not even fight telling it should be a win. I'm satisfied with just the money I bet to be sent back to me.

If they haven't made any changes to your bet and balance until now then I guess that means it's already final. You can still wait for their reply but it doesn't look like you're going to win your dispute if we're going to based it on their betting rules.

https://bc.game/help/terms-sports
Their position is similar to Rollbit.

The most logical path here is to just get it on with, and refund the wins of the players who made a bet to Betboom and give it to Tundra, although of course, there would be issues that would come around considering that they already made the bet. I'm not sure as to what would happen or what other casinos would do in this type of situation, but I'm guessing it's either of these two choices:

1. They give both parties the win, in which case everyone would be happy but the casino would suffer immediate losses which they can probably gain anyway in a day or two, a whole week if they are unlucky.
2. They don't do anything and carry on with their lives, in that case people will definitely bang on their door to do something especially those who made bets to Tundra since they deserve the win in a sense.

Among these choices the best one would be the former, except for the temporary losses they could recuperate anyway especially if they are a reputable casino, this act of honesty and integrity could paint them in a great light to gamblers, resulting to more revenue for them as these people will surely recommend the casino to their peers.

Anyone knows if BC Casino should change results? I was a Tundra Bettor and i loss but after ALL that incident I opened a disputes but I dont know If I can win

I'm not sure what the casino will be in making a decision about this. However, it looks like the payout will be given some time after the winner of the match results is known. if there is a change in results due to situations, it seems that it is no longer the responsibility of the casino, because the results have already been published and the payout has been given. If the casino had to pay based on the 2nd result, surely they would pay using their own money, and this sort of thing is not possible. The only way is to withdraw the balance that was sent to the winner on the 1st decision and sent it to the winner on the 2nd decision.

This does not happen all the time. In such situations, gambling sites typically rectify the mistake by correcting the payments. If there are gamblers who were mistakenly paid, the site will deduct the excess amount from their balance, while those who lost will be paid their winnings. However, this can be a critical issue because some gamblers who have already withdrawn their winnings might not be willing to deposit more funds if they know their balance will be deducted. In such cases, I believe the gambling site will bear the losses as they are responsible for paying the winners.

This is rather complicated and could make a casino lose their customers if not properly handled. In a case where a football game has been settled and the cash out showed up in a player's account and he withdraws only to find out that the game went through some panel either because of some bad officiating and irregularities then rematch was order and it happens that the winner became the loser whilst the casino had already paid out profit based on the old decision whereas the bettor had already withdrawn his winning, is a serious issue. If this was written on the ToS then the casino have to do the needful to pay the second winner but depending on how much winning the first winner may not return to the casino if it is a very big win.

Cheating is cheating and if they found one of the player cheating then is a enough reason revert the winning to the loser while the winner to be the loser. But at this point since most of the gambling platform already settled the game to be winning it would be a very difficult task to revert maybe they has a way to re-align it in other to give the loser the winning and gives the winner lose.

Interesting situation... imagine having a "negative balance" in some casino?!


I guess it would be better for a casino to take the losses, at least players will stay on the platform and continue to gamble... if a casino deducts the winnings and some players have a negative balance they will just move to some other casino.

In football, I remember there were few matches like that. I remember one in the past that the winner was later said to be the loser. What I thought was that the bet has been decided when immediately the match finished and nothing will alter that. We have different gambling sites with some changes in their terms of service, maybe some gambling site may include it that if the match was later cancelled and to be replayed if the loser was later declared the winner, that they will deducted the money from their customers and settle people thought to be the loser, but I do not think that is how it works on gambling sites. Once a match is finished, the bet is settled without exception. If the match result is later altered after the match has finished, non of the gambling site business.

That is something unique which happens very little times and each of the casinos have they own terms and conditions,usually when the result changes the odds default to 1 and I don't know what happens if people have already withdrawn that amount,it means then that they should be in negative in order to repay to the casino the due owned amount.

I have a game pending from the USA MLS which was interrupted yesterday night with European time and the game has not been played again,yet I still have that ticket active,meaning the bookmaker is waiting for the game to be replayed and see the result,it is the only game missing,I have won all others.

I took Rollbit's terms and conditions that applies to this case:


The above rule is like a double-edge sword as it could cause losses to either bookie or gambler. Rollbit will just take the losses in case they paid more to those who bet on Betloom and those gamblers who bet on Tundra can't do anything about this since it's clearly stated in the betting rules.

I am curious about what will happen to the users who already withdraw some funds from their accounts.
Or the user's balance is not already enough to pay back the winnings of the defaulted game?

I saw on some gambling sites that this 1 user shared a screenshot of his gambling platform balance, it's already negative because I think he already withdrawn all of his winnings before they defaulted the game.

this information is reported in the relative TOS of the individual gambling sites.
of course mostly, if not all gambling sites will have the most compliant terms with their interests...

when this happens in traditional sports (and traditional bookmakers) the funds are withdrawn from the accounts or basically frozen the account.

In case they suspect that a user has defrauded (and was therefore aware of the fraud) they can also proceed with legal action. with crypto bookmaker it's something different, but in case funds are not withdrawn they can just seize ...

This is from eSport Dota 2 game that happened 24 hours ago.

- Read more here

BetBoom Vs Tundra = Winner yesterday is Betboom
After 24 hours, they defaulted to a loss for Betboom.

I think the reason is one of the players of BetBoom was caught cheating, but the game already settled in most gambling platforms.

My question here is, what will happen to gambling platforms who already settled the bets?
Should they revert back to the winnings and losses of their users? What will happen to the losers and winners of that game to the bet?

I can see there are some platforms that already deducted the winning of some person from their balance.