Topic: Gaza Strip People - 2 Millions - No Food, Water, Electricity - Complete Blockade (Read 314 times)

The project to settle Palestinians outside their land is not a new proposal. The idea has been on the table since the announcement of the establishment of the State of Israel. In 1951, the Egyptian state entered into discussions with the United Nations to study the feasibility of reconstructing an area of 50,000 acres in North Sinai for the purpose of sheltering the Palestinians, but the project met with popular rejection from the Egyptians and the Palestinians themselves and was canceled by a government decision. Egyptian in 1953. Then in 1955, the agreement was revived in a new form without mentioning that the Palestinians would be resettled, and studies began under it for the possibility of relying on the waters of the Nile River to revive the same area of 50 thousand acres. In 1961, the American administration commissioned Joseph Johnson (an employee of the US State Department) to prepare for a project aimed at the possibility of settling Palestinians outside Palestine, by giving them the choice of returning to Palestine or residing in one of the host countries. This project was not rejected by the Arab countries hosting the Palestinians at that time (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon), but Israel rejected the idea of giving them a choice between returning or staying and acknowledged the impossibility of their returning to Palestine, and Johnson announced the failure of his project in 1963.

The idea of resettlement has succeeded in many countries, including Jordan, which granted the Palestinians Jordanian citizenship, and Lebanon and Syria, which established camps that later turned into cities inhabited by Palestinian refugees. Since Gaza announced its separation from the PLO, Israel has been seeking for decades to subjugate it by all means or force its people to leave it. What is happening today provides an excuse for Israel to displace the entire population of Gaza, who currently have no place to go. I would not be surprised that there are discussions between Egypt and international parties to shelter those fleeing the bombing in camps in Sinai, and after that it will become easy to transform them into cities inhabited by Palestinians. Egypt is going through economic difficulties, and I do not think that Sisi will reject a tempting offer, even if it is against the will of his people. He had previously handed over the islands of Tiran and Sanafir to Saudi Arabia as part of a deal, and this is confirmation that he can take any step that is in his interest.

I have got the suspicion Israel won't allow Palestinian people to return to Gaza once it has been bombed to the ground and all the terrorist which inhabited there have been killed it forced to leave to Lebanon. They could argue that allowing Palestinian residents to come back there would endanger their security or encourage more terrorist attacks to happen in the future.
Whatever happens, it must be a hell of a situation to be forced to abandon your home and everyone you know to run for your life, because you have been warned your neighborhood is going to be completely erased off existence within 24 hours. I cannot even imagine how those people must be feeling right now...

Things began to become clearer with the continued violent Zionist response and its stubbornness in rejecting all mediations to calm the situation. According to the latest reports, the bombing continues, and the number of deaths exceeds 2,200 victims.

The movement of the American aircraft carrier towards the port of Ashkelon, and the declaration of unconditional support from major countries such as France and Britain, is accompanied by the Israeli forces’ request from the residents to leave the Gaza Strip for the purpose of completely evacuating it, which raises an old issue regarding Israel’s attempt to settle Palestinian residents of the Gaza Strip in the neighboring Sinai desert inside Egyptian border. Practically, Gaza's infrastructure has completely collapsed after the continuous bombing for more than a week. Residents of citizens in the north, Beit Lahia, Beit Hanoun, and Jabalia, were completely expelled towards the southern cities of Khan Yunis and Deir al-Balah, with the continued bombing of the entire sector, north and south.

The Egyptian position is still unclear and there is no information whether Egypt is considering the option of resettlement in Sinai, which is not surprising because Egypt, in its official position, cannot antagonize Israel. If some major countries offer it aid and promises of gifts and grants, I do not imagine that Egypt will refuse.

Am I the only one who believes that this attack against Israel by Hamas was a utterly stupid military decision by them?
Before this news broke up I thought that Gaza was not dependent of Israel food, water, power and medicine, I thought most of it was funded by the international community and humanitarian groups abroad.

But after realizing all those things (most of them anyways) came from Israel, I have reached the conclusion Hamas does not care about the safety and security of the Palestinian people, they did not think about the consequences of this barbaric aggresion in the long term. They left their bloodthirsty instincts to take over their minds.

During the Syrian war, I remember that the United Nations succeeded in providing aid using crypto to Syrian refugees in a shelter camp in Jordan. A similar initiative also included providing aid to displaced Ukrainians directly affected by the Russian bombing. We all remember the donation campaigns that were launched here in the forum to support those affected by the quarantine period during the spread of the Corona virus epidemic in 2020.

There are always ways to provide support, but only when there is a will to do so. The international community stands cowardly silent today, even to secure some aid, including the Egyptian authorities, who took the initiative to close the Rafah crossing on their part, preventing people from escaping from the oppression of Zionist missiles. The Palestinian issue will remain a stain on humanity because everyone is a partner in all sins, including those who are complicit in silence.

Hamas attacking Israel they heavily depend on, and there will be consequences for such actions. However, this extreme approach isn't the right way to resolve conflicts. Negotiations should be initiated promptly. Often, decisions by politicians and other leaders lead to suffering for innocent civilians.

Palestinians have unfortunately endured difficult situations before, so we hope they can endure this one too. I strongly believe that every person on this planet deserves the right to freedom.

In situations like this I just feel sorry for the civilian. Countless lives will be lost due to the actions of a few people. It's so sad.
Aren't there better ways to resolve a conflict? Why do men always think of the annihilation first? War doesn't solve much, it just create a fluke peace hanging by a thin thread. It just leaves people broken and easily manipulated to pick up arms and retaliate.

There may most likely the piper masters somewhere running the show and motivating Hamas to attack, now they have to deal with the consequences. The same people are pressuring Israel to retaliate and hit them hard.
On Fox news today a man made a statement "Do whatever is necessary... level the place". How can we use words like this? There are actual human beings in those places. Do they not see them as humans or what?
It's really sad and depressing when you think of it.

In other words, the Biden administration, who supplies Ukraine with money and weapons, indirectly supplied the Hamas with money and weapons for the invasion. And then Biden, through the other side of his mouth, proclaimed that what the Hamas did was terrible, and that Israel should fight back - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/352010-2023-10-10-this-is-an-act-of-sheer-evil-biden-on-israel.htm.


Hamas Acknowledges Ukraine for Weapon Supply: Unmasking the Illicit Arms Trade

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https://bnn.network/world/ukraine/hamas-acknowledges-ukraine-for-weapon-supply-unmasking-the-illicit-arms-trade/
This declaration, broadcasted on Middle Eastern platforms, focuses on the underground arms trade and Ukraine's involvement in conflict-driven regions. The unfolding situation necessitates a comprehensive review of the influential factors.

(Also Read: Escalating Violence Forces Israeli Government to Order Evacuations Near Gaza Border)

Ukraine's Unexpected Role

Recent hostilities initiated by Hamas against Israel have been noteworthy, not solely due to the heightened aggression, but also because of queries about the origin of the weapons employed. The mystery was unraveled when Hamas recognized Ukraine's contribution in providing them with arms, particularly RPGs. This revelation has amplified concerns regarding Ukraine's part in arming combat zones and the potency of global arms regulation.

The distribution of arms to non-sovereign entities like Hamas underscores the pressing requirement for global collaboration to halt the arms proliferation to militant groups. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has denounced the terror attack, extended support to Israel, and upheld Israel's right to self-defense. Yet, these peace gestures starkly differ from the circulating arms trade accusations.
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The whole situation there is a mess and has been for a long long time. What really gets tho is the virtue signaling of the neighbouring arab states, they like to always say how Israel is hurting the Gaza strip but they never do anything to help the situation.
Juts like with the current blockade, i mean, Egypt is right there. Why dont they provide power and water if they are so concerned. Im sure all the oil powers could easily fund it and they wouldnt even feel it

Back in during the World war II, japanese soldiers in well pushed to battle by their desire for their empire to blossom and serve their emperor. There were even youth soldiers which consider a big honor to die as kamikaze pilots and many others preferred to end their own life than seeing their nation losing the war.

With Hamas is a bit similar, their fighters are trained and mentally prepared to die for their cause, those who do are told to be heros and deserving of an eternal rest and life, since to them defeat is not an option, then decide to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the organization. They do not care about the civilans who just want to be left alone, of anything they only care civilians can be recruited later...

Adding some more material to this:

Ultra-short
Hamas In Gaza Strip - Explained
short
The Israel-Gaza crisis, explained in 3 minutes

Long videos
History of Israel-Palestine Conflict
The Israel-Palestine conflict: a brief, simple history
Conflict in Israel and Palestine: Crash Course World History 223

Video about the world conflics in general
Is War Over? — A Paradox Explained



All the previous videos have more than some years on youtube, so those videos weren't upload this days by sensationalism

Is it only them that supports Hamas?

That's the question that many have thought of. With advancement of Israel in terms of their military and defense, they should have detected the attack before it even touches their land.

But that didn't happen and was late in seeing it.

It's best to check the history between the two. It was just this time that made me dive into the history of these two and this video is what I've found to be short and precise: History of Israel-Palestine Conflict

WW2 wasn't enough. The Jewish Holocaust was way too small. The NEW 'Hitler' is out to kill off as many Jews as he can.

Who was that you said?

I am in shock, why did Palestine attack Israel with such force when knowing that Israel is way more advanced and has the US as its back? I don't judge which side is right, I don't talk in favor of Israel or Palestine, I just don't understand what's the point of attack if you know the counter attack will brutally affect your whole population?

Japan had the most brutal soldiers in WW2, they would still continue war after the nuclear weapon explosion if their emperor would command them but c'mon, it would kill all Japanese. Was the situation between Palestine and Israel so severe that it was time of all-in for Palestine?

Absolutely every see is salty man.

War has its rules too, but Israel kills red cross people and uses genocidal language, that's far from self-defense and counter attack. A country as powerful as Israel (for palestine) can end this without genocide. Oh my, Palestine shouldn't have done this, they also do terrible things, shouldn't have started this war in the first place, now both sides show their inhumanity at its best.

I'm not saying that's right response and I'm not justifying what Israel is doing. Such blockade can be called as genocide. But what did HAMAS expected when they made attack? That Israel will just tell that they're deeply concerned? Such harsh response was something expected.
HAMAS keep hundreds of Isreael and foreign people as hostages, but it doesn't looks that Israel is much concerned about saving them.

There is lot of tunnels in Gaza, leading to Egypt which were used to smuggle weapons and various good and bypass blockade in such way.

I doubt about that after Israel madde attacks on Rafah border crossing:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/alarm-as-israel-again-hits-rafah-border-crossing-between-gaza-and-egypt

It is that a serious question?

you can search cheaps method for Desalination, you can do that even with plastic bottles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF9yYGwPcNw

As far as I understand, the water of the Mediterranean sea is salty, so it is not suitable for comsuption.
I have read about the collective punishment people in the Gaza strip are going to suffer, which is unfair, keeping in mind many of them are civilans who may have no political affiliation with Hamas.

I agree with OgNasty, regardless of the political opinion we could have on those conflict, this is a battle which will likely have no winners... truly Heartbreaking  what some innocent people have to go through...

Watching the video of Israeli soldiers shutting off water to the Gaza Strip was heartbreaking. Knowing that so many innocent people are going to be without water and dying of thirst as a result of this conflict is terrible. I don’t know what Hamas was thinking or what their plan is going forward, but I know there will be no winners.

I think human corridors will be opened for civilians to leave through the Rafah border crossing. Those who stay will be risking their lives.

Israel will probably start a clearing operation in the Gaza Strip. They just softened the Hamas positions before going in.

They will probably go from the north and eliminate Hamas and their supporters.

I do not think this a correct and measured response by Israel. Just cutting the most essential supplies to a wide population is not a legitimate action in my view and I am not sure what is they expect that will happen as a result of that. They may hope this ends of a quick negotiation of hostages for water and food, but I think their enemy is not particularly concerned with the faith of the general population in the strip,

So up until the recent HAMAS attack on Isreal the people of Gaza had very little anyway.
Israel already is in control of everything that was being imported ^{so they thought}, they have
been blockading Gaza since 2007.

So even though Israel has Air, Land and Sea control of Gaza the people there ^{generally speaking}
were able to arm themselves with rockets and guns. Life will be certainly more difficult but the
Palestinians are a tough and proud people.

As regards the border with Egypt, that is under blokade too, everything is controlled
there too.

You know, bottled water is a thing?

See, Hamas did an extraordinarily stupid action. This was like Russia charging into Ukraine and destroying stuff and murdering thousands. But Israel is practically a developed country with its own military complex, which is capable of flattening them in weeks. What else did they expect to happen?


Iran is not a superpower country.

I've watched a video from someone in the Palestine that has a lot of tanks on their roofs and not just their house but their entire neighborhood and explained that they don't have enough supply of water. And even there's enough supply, the problem is what you've said OP about Israel blocking the tubes and they won't any of it.

This is the real problem here, both of them will just suffer and whoever wins, gets what? Gets that they're stronger than the other? All of them are losing innocent people, children, women, men, elderly and all kinds of these people that have their own beliefs.

Are there conspiracies that Hamas has been funded by some superpower? This is just confusing people and there's no way that the problem between Israel and Palestine will be solved until they realize that they've got no more people to fight.

That’s the thing, there are no winners in war. All we see is bloodshed, pain & misery. I’m sure there are people on both sides who feel there is justification for war but it’s never the answer. I hope there is a peaceful resolution soon & casualties are limited. As I said in another thread, images & stories coming out of Israel are very unpleasant. RIP to those who have lost their lives already.

Hamas already knew the consequences of this invasion and they went ahead to engage in it. My heart only goes to the innocent citizens who know nothing about this invasion but a now suffering the consequences. But from what I have watched so far, it seems many people in Gaza support this action by Hamas. Many of them believe Israel deserves to feel the pain Gaza has been going through for a long time. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that this is just the beginning of the bombardment of Gaza which means that citizens will face more hardship and scarcity.

Many people will die of bullets and bombs and more will be killed by hunger and thirst. The best option for people in Gaza is to leave the place and move to neighboring countries. It is also a time for international organisations to step up their humanitarian activities for these innocent citizens. Children, women and civilian men should not be allowed to suffer and die for what they know nothing about.

I'm wondering what did HAMAS expected when they started attack against Israel and when they fully depends on supply of food, water, electricity, fuel and etc from Israel. That Israel won't do anything and won't make harsh response? It's nothing surprising that we already hear some talks from them about possible ceasefire.
Worst part of this war that thousands of people in Gaza is affected and they have nowhere to go. Now they only can wait and try to survive another Israel rocket attack. On the other hand, how many of them celebrated mascare of civilians on Saturday when everything started, now probably it's not so fun anymore.
And no, Mediterranean sea water isn't drinkable without Desalination.

Soon Gaza Strip people - 2 millions - will be without food, water, and electricity due to blockade from Israel side. What will be next then ? Max time for living without water is ~3 days. I do not know if Mediterranean sea water is ok for drinking, probably not. Some food and water of course can be imported from Egypt.