Topic: GekkoScience is finally building a 16nm Pod Miner (Read 1388 times)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131245.new#new

Sale is live. This thread is largely irrelevant now.

This is very exciting news. That gives me nice ideas for cooling my 1 remaining r808 with quieter fans.

Thanks for the updates. Excited for your work.

Amazing project. Fingers crossed for it Can't wait to see one.

Remember guys, this is not the sales announcement thread, just a introduction to the next great thing. Though I would expect the sales announcement to be coming sooner than later. THAT post will include all the nitty gritty goodness.

For a question like that, always read the 1st post. That is usually where specifications, settings, etc will be...

That is a good choice for many.

Hey guys, so in honor of sidehack and his amazing work, we running a special on our site. Our power pack, normally on sale for $106.17, when you buy a R606, we are going to give $32 off. That brings the price down to $74.
This is going to be a bundle price, when both are in the cart, a discount will be auto applied. Check out the details here: https://www.419mining.com/shop/power-supply/complete-power-bundle/
when run from 120V, this will produce up to 900 watts of power and is compatible with both the GekkoScience Hubs, and the new R606.

I know they are not out yet, but when we can, we will post the pre-sale and let everyone know.

And if you're wondering, the break out board and the pcie power cables are both produced by GekkoScience.

nope it is 69 usd after rebate  5 year warranty  very tough to beat that price.  doing 750 watts

it will also run a pc or you can run  both ltc and btc small size units.

sidekick for  BTC    the pod miner and a few newpacs
jstefanop for LTC   the apollo

nice quiet setup

The nice part of how its setup now is that resellers do the one on one sales and customer support, leaving sidehack to work on the cool new projects.

You should have someone do the site for you so we can buy direct and have someone there ship them out for you

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2: In fact it must be connected to a USB port attached to a computer and run that way. I include a 5V USB power jack onboard so something lightweight like a Pi can run attached to it.


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4: Nobody knows that yet, because it's not for sale yet.

5: Yes but it's painfully out of date and my good stuff isn't on there.

You select this because of the multi rail switch?

here is a good psu to use for up to four of them  maybe 5 of them but 4 for sure

only 69 dollars after rebate 5 year warranty

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139244

1.  No they will not come with a power supply. Re-sellers will offer power supplies which you can purchase separately and have shipped with the pod.

2. They are not standalone, they will need to be connected to a USB port, whether that be direct to a PC or via a hub.

3. No final figures yet (as far as I've seen), but I seem to remember sidehack saying around 1Th

4. Don't think there are any final prices yet. Plus it would depend on resellers "mark up".

5. Yes (http://www.gekkoscience.com) but I think its fallen by the wayside as sidehack is a very busy man creating such goodies for us to tinker with  

I have a few questions.

1. Will power supply be included?

2. Are they stand alone or can they be connected into a usb port attached to a computer and run that way?

3. What is stock hash rate?

4. How much will it cost? (Including shipping)

5. Does gekkoscience have a official website?

Oh my. They're naked.  

What is the fan spec?

Yeah those are bench serials so I can tell them apart when multiple instances are running on cgminer. Probably not gonna have production serials hastily scrawled in Sharpie on the ones that get shipped out.

LOVE the Serial #. Makes tagging SO MUCH EASIER!

some numbers please running

Getting more and more excited, these are looking great!

Handful of mostly-complete production verson pods undergoing some comparison testing. I'm testing VH's build updates while also trying to get some statistics on peak frequencies attainable at different voltage settings.

Nothing too important, just thought it was fun.

Also I'm updating the first post a bit with photos and info.

Hopefully our builds are decent.

I think base should include the micro usb at minimum, brick secondary, and maybe our kit will set up for more pending electrical lines. But maybe 6 off a 110v? Regardless I think the vendors you already procure from will take care of your needs.

The high-end ATX generally have a single 12V rail that's piped to all the cables. I don't know that any of them have per-cable current limiting but if one did it'd be completely unsuitable for mining - even GPU mining. The 75W/150W spec is for PCIe compliance on the device end so the PSU is required to source that much as a minimum standard but a good one will be capable of quite a bit more.

Technically the 6-pin PCIe, to be in spec, only has to have power on two of the 12V lines. And the only difference between the 6-pin and 8-pin (6+2 commonly) is power guaranteed on the third line, plus two extra ground lines. But a good PSU will always have power on all three power lines even for a 6-pin.

Anyways, for this miner, if going over about 8A you'll want to use the 6-pin. Shouldn't be possible to get much over 10A draw out of it regardless.

I've run a bunch of different mining gear but only since 2014 and I learned something new today.  I'm running my S9 on an Endermax 1800 with the 6+2 PCIe, just not using the extra 2 wires.  I thought that to get 150 watts, you needed a 6+2 even if just using 6 and not the +2.  I bought extra 6+2 cords, when I might have gotten away with the 6's.  Although the wire gauge might not have been the same? However, I guess PSUs differ and of course I was assuming the spec is reality, which is not the case.  Obviously you can wire up whatever you want as well but I'm usually not hacking together PSUs like you probably do.

I don't know what additional specifics resellers will offer for packages, but everyone should have at least the base option of a quality 8A power brick. That'd serve you pretty well unless you wanted either more efficiency for running a stack of units, or to max the overclock of a single unit.

This sounds awesome. Doing this off solar or wind has always been a fascination of mine. You mind sharing the equipment you use and how you set it all up?

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Along the lines of discussion above, will any of the resellers be able to provide power supplies?

I've always used USB ports and DC adapters because it's easy and I'm a dunce. Sounds like these will force me to up my game a bit.

I trusted the 16AWG cables I manufactured to handle 8A per wire for 288W total on a 12V system.

The internal Vcore regulator on this pod is limited to 20A at a peak of about 5.5 volts for 110W total. Add in peripherals, inefficiency and the fan and you should never need more than about 10A of 12V for this guy.

Cables are rated in Amps, not Watts.

A typical, single core, 16 gauge wire is usually max rated at 15 Amps (times miner 12V) = 180 Watts
and 18 gauge at 9.5 Amps x 12V = 114 Watts

A PSU PCI-e connector usually has 3 wires so can deliver 3 times that per cable.

But the limits can be the connectors, which usually are hard to find out what their specs are.
(the cables are a lot easier coz they usually say their AWG on them)

PCIe spec for a 6-pin specifies a 75W draw. As anyone that's run any mining gear since at least 2013 will tell you, a good PSU will give you a heck of a lot more than that. Some ASIC miners will ask for up to 300W from a single 6-pin, which is why folks started turning to high-reliable server PSUs and durable aftermarket cables.

Or did you think the S9 needed 20 jacks?

My pod's barrel connector is rated for more than 75W. The miner's internally limited to much less power than the 6-pin could provide (from a good supply).

A lot depends on cable gauge  say

20ga = 75-100 watts.
18ga = 125-150 watts.
16ga = 175-200 watts.

note not official numbers.

mostly based on 7 years of mining using various cables.

gt_addict is correct, the cables and the connector on the pod themselves are rated at 13A and are run off a external power supply. In sidehacks case, a configurable power source so he can monitor the raw power usage, others use a break out board and a HP common slot power supply, or just a standard PC power supply with decent power ratings. just make sure your using 16 gauge wires.

heres an example of the powersupply/breakout board kit
https://www.419mining.com/shop/power-supply/complete-power-bundle/

You are getting mistaken. the PCIe slot on a mobo is 75w the 6Pin PCIe Cable can handle 150w give or take a few (possibly more if someone wants to confirm).

In the photos, it looks like Sidehack is running it off a 6 pin PCIe connector which would be 75 watts max.

A forum member is shipping five sticks to me this means we will have nine compacs in the raffle.

I think I will do two raffles one for North American orders from any dealer that is sidehack approved

And one from Europe from any dealer that is sidehack approved.

Six sticks in the North American raffle. Three sticks in the european raffle.

I will need to check them all out to see how they run. I will need to figure a way to do it all should be easy enough.

Looking forward to another excellent GekkoScience product!

Ideally i would do the same but weather is just too hit or miss in the UK.

Can't wait to do 2Tb with my 20 Newpacs and this unit about 250watts or so?

I have setup 2 200watt solar panels and 200ah battery in my shed, I will be using solar to mine

It seems you've beaten me to it. I'm not one for complaining about function over form, but the first pictures you put (I know it is a work in progress  ) could've done with some colour 

Needless to say ALL of your gear (and VH's cgminer) have always been, hands down, the best gear ive owned.

I can't wait to get my hands on this one  They should work with Cgminer like Newpacs just connect and done?

Can you put one on Youtube working ?

I'm still finishing the details but it'll have a sweet logo and the jacks will be labeled. Nothing that can't be undone, of course. And have I ever built a thing that can't be disassembled? I wouldn't do that to you guys. Or myself, frankly, because then warranty work would suck.

And that case is prime for some modding/painting if it can be disassembled of course  

Nice one! Looking forward to adding these to my GekkoScience rack. The R808's may have to go as I never got around to mounting them the way I'd like to. For the space I have available left to mine, it's great to see a piece of your gear being sold in a case.

Only about 3300 of those were ever made, compared to over 20k of the 2Pacs. Not sure even I have four in hand, at least not that work.

Also, I'll update the first post but I will be selling direct for forum users, through a friendly rep like last year. Should have the details ironed out by week's end. We'll also have everything sorted with resellers to open up sales pretty quick-like.

I think I will offer a promo with this.

I have some sticks. Compacs 1 chip first gen.

When a seller sells a pod I will give 1 chance at a raffle.

I think I have four sticks to give away.

Let me figure a way to run the raffle that makes sense.

Note these are the lessor chips and these sticks do about 8 to 20 gh each.

First gen sidehack product.

Right, Oregon. That's probably what I meant by Washington.

Oregon too!

The manufacturer is in Missouri, but 419 is based out of Ohio. Other resellers are in Washington, Indiana, California, Texas...

I been watching these threads for a long time, I am guessing this a first come first serve? Curious isnt 419 mining supply in missouri? Just curious because that is where I am.

I have 2x R808 and 2x NewPac USB, so I think I need 2 of these as well to round out my collection.

Sounds like a plan.

MinersSupply will also be taking orders for worldwide shipping, but only after sidehack has cleared everything first. We will also be handling orders for these pod miners on a more direct basis, and will be sure to provide our customers with more information as it becomes available.

Price for one to Denmark, Europe?

Thanks guys, totally understand about warranty support; my distance makes it hard anyway for these kinds of things. Anyone in Australia want to try to do a group buy together?

Once there's green light from Gekko to ship internationally absolutely. We can ship everywhere even if our shipping integration doesn't display for you, just have to ask. Though obviously the new pod is not available.

419Mining will eventually be selling world wide eventually but as sidehack stated, initially we will be selling in the US. We would be willing to sell out of the US BUT we cannot provide any warranty outside of the US right now which kind of goes against our entire business model.

This is so kick ass! Love your work man. I'm currently in the US on holiday and would love to purchase one when I get back. I live in Australia, any resellers looking to ship my way?

I have 20 NewPacs running @ 250 , they produce 1TB.   So I guess you might be using 20 chips in the units?

Ready to buy one! Great job as usual Sidehack 

Good idea for a first batch. US/CAN/Mexico are zoned the same for most freighters.

Right now it's impossible for anyone anywhere to buy this. The first batch I would like to keep US-only as much as possible, because we'll still be working out troubleshooting and tech support procedures and if something goes wrong I'd rather it went wrong with someone who spoke English and lived within ready mailing distance.

@Valnurat
@minefarmbuy
Bitshopper.de in Germany has done reselling for Gekkoscience hardware for a quite long time.

Impossible? I though there were vendors in Germany. Otherwise, I'm sure there are plenty who can export to you.

Why is it possible to by when you live in Europe?

A comment on USB.

As implied by that these are built on NewPac tech, this board features Bitmain BM1387 (S9) ASICs. Bitmain chips don't have much of a work buffer, and when initialized each chip in the data chain is addressed in such a way that the nonce range is divided up somewhat evenly amongst them. If I understand correctly, the address basically becomes the upper-byte starting point for each chip to parse the 32-bit nonce range. Once that range has been exhausted, in order to prevent wasted work, a fresh pile of data needs to be sent in pretty quickly.

USB2.0 can transfer enormous amounts of data rather quickly using bulk transfer packets. However, the number of packets of any size transferred per second is limited. Because Bitmain chips can't pre-buffer work, and because each chip gets a portion of the load (as opposed to say Innosilicon chips, which can buffer two unique work units per ASIC), fresh work has to be pushed in in fairly small increments rather quickly. This uses up a lot of really small packets, and maxes out the limits of the bus at around 800GH. I think this is the maximum hashrate one could achieve even with multiple devices on the same hub.

When ASICBoost is enabled, the amount of work data delivered to the chips increases slightly but because each work unit is fully parsed with four unique midstates, the practical effect is work units only need to be updated one fourth as often. Because of timing constraints and increased packet sizes, VH's implementation updates work about 1/3.2 as often, so the maximum hashrate from a single USB connection is roughly 2.6GH which means two or three pods should be able to function at high speed off one hub like this.

Limitations like that are probably a primary reason why Bitmain shifted to a fancier controller board with an FPGA buffering work and doling it out on multiplexed serial lines. When a 32-bit nonce range is divided amongst 60-70 chips it gets burned through pretty quickly.

For future higher-hashrate projects we'll either have to look into board-level work buffering to ease the USB load (and require some pretty fancy firmware) or work with different chips with a more bus-efficient work buffering mechanism (like almost all of them besides Bitmain).

Those Tripplite industrial hubs are very nice. We use them on our systems as they are built like a tank, near bullet-proof, have tighter than normal plug retention plus can be fed off of our 24vdc system buss.

Sorry my session timed out before I could edit. So any USB A hub can connect a few of these then?

I'm an edit fiend today.

Thoughts on https://www.tripplite.com/usb-hub-10-port-hi-speed-2.0~U223010

https://www.tripplite.com/rugged-industrial-usb-2.0-high-speed-hub-15kv-esd-immunity-metal-case-mountable-4-port~U223004IND

You'll have to be more specific, because I have no idea in what case a USB splitter would be useful for this device.


Ok, question edited for more clarity. Using my hub would be kind of a waste, because this guy draws almost exactly zero power from USB, but yes given the limitations of USB I believe you should be able to run at least 3 up to absolute maximum speed from a single source. (assuming ASICBoost is enabled, which is required to reach top speeds anyway)

It's beautiful. Do you recommend your USB hub for multiples?

The power light is orange. My primary PCB supplier doesn't have an orange soldermask option and arranging it would have been super expensive while also going mostly unseen.

I don't see any orange!

I want one.

Some more details please on the new miner?

Who's chips are being utilized in this shiny new miner?

Price is TBD. I'll probably be doing more coordination with resellers regarding an MSRP and the like but those negotiations largely haven't happened yet.

As far as I know, no KYC (or fried chicken) is required for buying from anyone I distribute to.

I may open limited direct sales on these, depending on who I know that needs a job, but won't make any promises. For now the safe bet is to talk to your preferred reseller.

Such low power consumption and high hash rate how about the future price
Is it also required KFC verified when ordering and shipping this machine?

Happy April fools day!

This will look good next to my ltc Apollo’s.

Coins are way up today this should be nice to add for summer mining in the garage.

Job well done ! I do appreciate people taking effort to bring back mining at home.

It's looking good! Who's chips are in it? Bitfury's?

We will be taking orders for the new pod miners, so please feel free to inquire within, or contact us via our new storefront here: www.amazon.com/shops/MinersSupply

I know what you're thinking. This post is going up April 1 and you can't trust anything you see on April 1

Well you're wrong.



(homemade samples of case branding/labeling)

I still need to do some fine-tuning on the housing, and slap a big fat logo on it, but this here is a fully functional prototype of the all-new Terminus R606, building on the work of both the R808 and NewPac USB and progressing in secret since January.

The theoretical peak hashrate of this guy is upwards of 1100GH but that's not guaranteed, and may require a fan upgrade.  This fellow is designed for cool, quiet and convenient. Worry not that it's a wimp, though, because the stock settings should get you upwards of 600GH (close to 700GH with ASICBoost enabled) from a 12V 5A power brick. My tester is pulling 820GH from 12V/6.1A right now with a heatsink temperature of 50C and I almost can't hear it running.

R808 users will notice a few obvious improvements over the original. First and foremost, it's completely enclosed. Makes it quite a bit safer and easier to handle, for sure. Second, dual heatsinks. Cooling is much more effective. Third, standard 80mm quiet case fan is easy to upgrade without having to track down exotic hardware, and it also cools the Vcore regulator for improved overclock stability.

The familar jacks are still present - USBA 5V output for powering a small controller, plus 12V in from a barrel (8A rated, upgraded from the 5A jack on the R808) and 6-pin PCIe. Next we've got a nifty new feature, push-button voltage control. Instead of having to turn a knob and guess at your settings or dig for a meter, now you can adjust from 390mV/chip to 460mV/chip in 10mV increments with the push of a button, and your current setting is counted off on the 3-bit binary LEDs. (yes there'll be a user guide with further details on this feature)

This is not a for-sale announcement, but we're prepping to start manufacture literally right now and they should be shipping soon. I don't have any in-house sales rep this time around, so talk to your favorite reseller and let 'em know you're interested.