General Milley apparently committed treason

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Quote from: franky1 on December 20, 2021, 05:15:46 AM

Quote from: mindrust on December 19, 2021, 02:37:40 PM

Interesting. I also remember that I read about the US generals. I remember that some of them wouldn't obey the president's order if Trump told them to go to war. Which makes me wonder, from whom they take their orders if not from the elected president?

research "war powers resolution"

if being attacked then yes the president can declare war in response.
but to start a unprovoked attack he needs to get congress to agree.

this resolution is there to stop some idiot president going full nutcase and causing unneeded death.. kind of an anti-tyrant clause in the presidents contract. its a safety feature to stop the president from just pressing the big red button out of boredom/insanity.

much like any president of any public business, cant just do anything he pleases, he is still accountable to his share holders

imagine congress as shareholders owning ~just under 2% of america shares each

I bet you mindtrust will still choose to believe this is clear proof of a giant conspiracy.

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Quote from: mindrust on December 19, 2021, 02:37:40 PM

Interesting. I also remember that I read about the US generals. I remember that some of them wouldn't obey the president's order if Trump told them to go to war. Which makes me wonder, from whom they take their orders if not from the elected president?

research "war powers resolution"

if being attacked then yes the president can declare war in response.
but to start a unprovoked attack he needs to get congress to agree.

this resolution is there to stop some idiot president going full nutcase and causing unneeded death.. kind of an anti-tyrant clause in the presidents contract. its a safety feature to stop the president from just pressing the big red button out of boredom/insanity.

much like any president of any public business, cant just do anything he pleases, he is still accountable to his share holders

imagine congress as shareholders owning ~just under 2% of america shares each

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Interesting. I also remember that I read about the US generals. I remember that some of them wouldn't obey the president's order if Trump told them to go to war. Which makes me wonder, from whom they take their orders if not from the elected president?

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The above is so bad that even Mr. Vindman, who is an expert in undermining US Presidents he does not agree with politically, has called on Milley to resign if the reports are true.

Don't be fooled by the radical right wing nut jobs that think when Trump was president he was a King. Trump undermined himself. Vindman complied with a congressional subpoena and then told Congress the truth. Nothing more American than speaking truth to power.

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Quote from: franky1 on December 18, 2021, 10:47:21 PM

as for the US nato ukraine thing.
although it means the US/UK cant jump in and fight along side ukraine against russia.(US on the offensive: no)
the UK/US can defend and 'peace keep' with ukraine against russia under the UN.(US on the defense: yes)
basically defense instead of offense.

That's not the way Russians will look at it since they were not trying to invade Ukraine, the only reason why they rally thier war machines on the borders of Russian and Ukraine is that US warships are in the Crimea sea which Ukraine has shorelines stretching to Russia's shoreline.

All of them will have to rally each other because it's a threat but US seem to have tried expanding and giving a deal to Ukraine to be part of NATO for arms. When warships are closer to the shorelines of any country, they will surely rally thier tanks too. But sure the liberal media reported that Russian wants to invade Ukraine.

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Quote from: cabron on December 18, 2021, 10:39:23 PM

Quote from: franky1 on December 13, 2021, 01:35:30 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

According to a report, General Mark Milley committed treason when he allegedly informed China that he would inform them if the US was going to attack China prior to the November 2020 election.

funny part is. if the U.S had to attack china..
..by international law, the same general would have to inform china first.
research declaration of war

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

Regardless of your opinion on the War on Terror, and the War in Afghanistan, I think it is difficult to argue that the way the exit from Afghanistan was handled was anything less than treason. There was the question as to which members of the Biden administration (besides Biden) had betrayed their country.

funny part is. trump signed the executive order to withdraw in a certain time, also trump signed to say that the taliban could and should take over once US troops leave.

so its trumps fault, not biden.
trump set the rules, biden was left with the mess and aftermath

They're all going to talk first before striking each other. Yes, I think they did create a law for that just like how they banned land mines in war or the law of the Geneva convention. War needs negotiating first before they strike, just as how Putin did lately to US which they created a law not to extend NATO converting Ukraine to be part of it. Wars are to be planned like where the battlefield will be and right now there are just two, the South China sea or the Crimea Black Sea.

This is the assassination of Gen. Milley's character through the media. If it were a journalist like Assange who exposed this, there will be attempts to extradite him as well.

yep it was not treason. it was more like trump wanted to be the TV face that makes official announcements. and trump didnt realise that the military have their own international laws they have to follow outside of trumps administration. so trump had a pitty party when he realised he is not the top guy that declares war.. if only he knew more about the way things worked.

as for the US nato ukraine thing.
although it means the US/UK cant jump in and fight along side ukraine against russia.(US on the offensive: no)
the UK/US can defend and 'peace keep' with ukraine against russia under the UN.(US on the defense: yes)
basically defense instead of offense.

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Quote from: franky1 on December 13, 2021, 01:35:30 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

According to a report, General Mark Milley committed treason when he allegedly informed China that he would inform them if the US was going to attack China prior to the November 2020 election.

funny part is. if the U.S had to attack china..
..by international law, the same general would have to inform china first.
research declaration of war

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

Regardless of your opinion on the War on Terror, and the War in Afghanistan, I think it is difficult to argue that the way the exit from Afghanistan was handled was anything less than treason. There was the question as to which members of the Biden administration (besides Biden) had betrayed their country.

funny part is. trump signed the executive order to withdraw in a certain time, also trump signed to say that the taliban could and should take over once US troops leave.

so its trumps fault, not biden.
trump set the rules, biden was left with the mess and aftermath

They're all going to talk first before striking each other. Yes, I think they did create a law for that just like how they banned land mines in war or the law of the Geneva convention. War needs negotiating first before they strike, just as how Putin did lately to US which they created a law not to extend NATO converting Ukraine to be part of it. Wars are to be planned like where the battlefield will be and right now there are just two, the South China sea or the Crimea Black Sea.

This is the assassination of Gen. Milley's character through the media. If it were a journalist like Assange who exposed this, there will be attempts to extradite him as well.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on December 18, 2021, 09:28:34 PM

It is possible to attack or even invade another country without declaring war. Both Iraq wars and the war on Afghanistan were not preceded by a formal declaration of war. It is also sometimes necessary to attack in response to an attack against your homeland.

IMO, Milly was basically inviting a preemptive strike by China against the US.
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Trump had a goal to leave Afghanistan within a certain timeframe. Trump was not going to leave Afghanistan without the conditions in Afghanistan being appropriate.

funny part is when US/UK invaded both iraq and afghanistan.. it was declared.
after 9-11, i remember bush clearly saying about sending the troops in. .. and then the troops moved in.

why. because then it makes it a legal war. as oppose to an illegal war
no warning is an illegal war.
its why when china spot america ships just outside the china territory line in the ocean and if they see a ship cross it without declaring their intentions, china see that as an illegal violation of peace treaties and international law. china could treat that as an 'act of war' to allow china to legally then declare war on the US. so the US dont cross the border for no reason. unless they inform china first.

as for trump.. it wasnt an opinion or an idea.. he actually signed an executive order to withdraw from afghanistan. the order included allowing the taliban to take over to avoid al-queda taking over. that was his condition.

please try doing some research, its not that difficult.

if your wiling to spend multiple posting time to argue stuff you heard on fox news. atleast turn off your TV and use that time to research the bits you missed in the first post

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Quote from: franky1 on December 13, 2021, 01:35:30 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

According to a report, General Mark Milley committed treason when he allegedly informed China that he would inform them if the US was going to attack China prior to the November 2020 election.

funny part is. if the U.S had to attack china..
..by international law, the same general would have to inform china first.
research declaration of war

It is possible to attack or even invade another country without declaring war. Both Iraq wars and the war on Afghanistan were not preceded by a formal declaration of war. It is also sometimes necessary to attack in response to an attack against your homeland.

IMO, Milly was basically inviting a preemptive strike by China against the US.

Quote from: franky1 on December 13, 2021, 01:35:30 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

Regardless of your opinion on the War on Terror, and the War in Afghanistan, I think it is difficult to argue that the way the exit from Afghanistan was handled was anything less than treason. There was the question as to which members of the Biden administration (besides Biden) had betrayed their country.

funny part is. trump signed the executive order to withdraw in a certain time, also trump signed to say that the taliban could and should take over once US troops leave.

so its trumps fault, not biden.
trump set the rules, biden was left with the mess and aftermath

Trump had a goal to leave Afghanistan within a certain timeframe. Trump was not going to leave Afghanistan without the conditions in Afghanistan being appropriate.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

According to a report, General Mark Milley committed treason when he allegedly informed China that he would inform them if the US was going to attack China prior to the November 2020 election.

funny part is. if the U.S had to attack china..
..by international law, the same general would have to inform china first.
research declaration of war

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on September 15, 2021, 01:55:23 AM

Regardless of your opinion on the War on Terror, and the War in Afghanistan, I think it is difficult to argue that the way the exit from Afghanistan was handled was anything less than treason. There was the question as to which members of the Biden administration (besides Biden) had betrayed their country.

funny part is. trump signed the executive order to withdraw in a certain time, also trump signed to say that the taliban could and should take over once US troops leave.

so its trumps fault, not biden.
trump set the rules, biden was left with the mess and aftermath

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Quote from: SmokerFace on December 12, 2021, 11:28:31 AM

In my opinion, Milley should be subject to court marshall because of treason.

Bringing charges is ultimately up to the current administration (the ~~Biden~~ Rice administration.

Milley has towed the Democrat party line, so he is unlikely to face any kind of consequences.

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In my opinion, Milley should be subject to court marshall because of treason. But as you have already mentioned that the standard of treason is very high.
So It must be proved, the principle of natural justice must be practiced. He should be given chance to prove his stance.
If he founds guilty that this case must be disposed of in the light of the due process of law. Leaking own government's secrets is an act of treason.

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According to a report, General Mark Milley committed treason when he allegedly informed China that he would inform them if the US was going to attack China prior to the November 2020 election.

The above was so bad for the United States that it could have resulted in a preemptive nuclear strike by China on US cities, and Trump, who was the democratically elected President at the time, would have been unable to respond.

The above is so bad that even Mr. Vindman, who is an expert in undermining US Presidents he does not agree with politically, has called on Milley to resign if the reports are true.

Regardless of your opinion on the War on Terror, and the War in Afghanistan, I think it is difficult to argue that the way the exit from Afghanistan was handled was anything less than treason. There was the question as to which members of the Biden administration (besides Biden) had betrayed their country.

What do you think? Should Milley be subject to a court marshall? Should he be released from his military command?

The standard for treason is very high, so it is unlikely he will be found guilty of treason.

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