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Quote from: Docnaster on September 11, 2023, 12:50:07 PM

Thorgan Hazard was once one of the best players in Borussia Dortmund but how he declined in performance over the past few seasons has been very surprising to me and I hope he revives his career in Anderlecht.
Borussia Dortmund is known to always sell their best players while recruiting other potentials young players who'll still end up as stars that'll be wanted by other European giants. But since they sold Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid, they're yet to make any significant signing. I think they're gonna have a difficult season with the current squad at their disposal

Borrusia Dortmund got the best young players, many of them are actually having good time in their perspective new clubs. Dortmund will definitely find a young rising player who's yet to test the limelight of football. Jude Bellingham was a prominent player who was consistent in dealing with alot of challenges on the pitch, perhaps he was experienced and have everything in the balance. In the order direction, Thorgan Hazard was promising, Edin Terzic is definitely not taking chances, once he notice a heavy decline in a player, he probably triggered the sell option.

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Quote from: snipie on September 11, 2023, 10:49:03 AM

Werder Bremen is playing in the other half of the table most of the time if not in 2.Bundesliga. The team consistency is weak, they have good moments but most of the time it is whether a draw or loss.
Their next game vs Heindenheim shouldn't be hard theoretically but odds are quite close with slight advantage for Heindenheim. Their last match was in 2.Bundesliga and Heindenheim won it.

I agree on that , that they playing weak and after that Niclas Füllkrug left and the one nice transfer they made got injured its hard for them.
But i hope that they will be find back for playing better as they are not belong into the 2 German League really.
Lets see how the next weeks going for Werder Bremen and that they can win against Heidenheim.

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Dortmund transferred winger Hazard to Anderlecht for a 4 million euro transfer fee.Dortmund wanted to get rid of the players they didn't want in their squad anymore, so they had to make an adjustment in the team.They haven't won a title in the German league for a long time.They will be able to spend money very comfortably in the transfer season as they transferred Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid for a record transfer fee.Hazard, who played on loan at PSV last season, didn't perform as expected and they wanted to sell him.

Hazard was once one of the most valuable players, now it's surprising to see his price drop so much. While older players were starting to make money in Arab countries, Hazard still seems to have chosen to play in Europe.
So I respected him, I think he can still play well in a good team

Thorgan Hazard was once one of the best players in Borussia Dortmund but how he declined in performance over the past few seasons has been very surprising to me and I hope he revives his career in Anderlecht.
Borussia Dortmund is known to always sell their best players while recruiting other potentials young players who'll still end up as stars that'll be wanted by other European giants. But since they sold Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid, they're yet to make any significant signing. I think they're gonna have a difficult season with the current squad at their disposal

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If Dortmund really wants to get the Bundesliga title, it actually very easy, like what happened last season, its one step closer to the Bundesliga title, but its like Dortmund gave up not getting the title even though it very clear that if they win enough matches, Dortmund can get the title.

however, we have to accept this fact that Dortmund will not be too concerned with the title but more with producing new talents and if for several seasons Dortmund does not sell its reliable players, perhaps Bayern munich and Dortmund will always compete strongly for the Bundesliga title every season.

It's not a new thing, they choose to make money from their youngsters instead of utilizing them to get trophies and they've been the strongest team in the Bundesliga and probably had got the title from Bayern Munich if they kept most of their players in the club over the years, all they do is scout young talented players get them for cheaper fee and develop them into future world class players then sell this players for a very huge fee top other top European clubs when they've Proven themselves.
For instance imagine if they still had Sancho, Haaland, Jude Bellingham and several other top players they sold, i think the team would had been very tough for Bayern Munich to handle and such team would perform well in a Champions League competition but no Dortmund choose the Financial benefits from player sales over trophies.

But why though? Wouldn't it make more sense if they won the cup and then sell their players? I mean if they win and then sell, that would cause the players to be at least a bit more expensive, if they kept Sancho and Haaland and Jude and then won the title this year, they would have made 300+ million from them (and remove release clause from Haalands contract).

This is going to be tough for them to keep finding young talent, it is not that easy to get them and they may end up with a few seasons where they are not making that much money which will hurt them even more financially. They should aim at winning the title as quickly as possible so that they could sell their players for a lot more money and do a lot better.

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Quote from: execijutiere on September 10, 2023, 03:16:50 PM

Dortmund transferred winger Hazard to Anderlecht for a 4 million euro transfer fee.Dortmund wanted to get rid of the players they didn't want in their squad anymore, so they had to make an adjustment in the team.They haven't won a title in the German league for a long time.They will be able to spend money very comfortably in the transfer season as they transferred Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid for a record transfer fee.Hazard, who played on loan at PSV last season, didn't perform as expected and they wanted to sell him.

I've been thinking a lot about Dortmund's game plan. Everything that happened with selling Bellingham and Hazard made me think. On the one hand, I want to say, "Hey! That's a lot of money coming in because of Bellingham's move!" But if thats the case, why did they sell Hazard to Anderlecht for so little? Its almost like they're having a garage sale. But, and this is where I have hope, maybe they're saving up money in secret for a surprise mega-signing? Something that will shock us all! Either that, or they could be getting ready to play the "development game" again, where they find a young star, help him grow, and then sell him for a lot of money. We hope its not the latter! Who doesnt like to be surprised?

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Quote from: hahay on September 11, 2023, 09:14:11 AM

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Quote from: execijutiere on September 10, 2023, 03:16:50 PM

Dortmund transferred winger Hazard to Anderlecht for a 4 million euro transfer fee.Dortmund wanted to get rid of the players they didn't want in their squad anymore, so they had to make an adjustment in the team.They haven't won a title in the German league for a long time.They will be able to spend money very comfortably in the transfer season as they transferred Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid for a record transfer fee.Hazard, who played on loan at PSV last season, didn't perform as expected and they wanted to sell him.

Hazard was once one of the most valuable players, now it's surprising to see his price drop so much. While older players were starting to make money in Arab countries, Hazard still seems to have chosen to play in Europe.
So I respected him, I think he can still play well in a good team

He meant Thorgan Hazard and not Eden Hazard but indeed, both players are 30 and 32 years old and they are not young anymore. Moreover, at this moment Eden Hazard is not under contract with any club or his current status is without a club. About Thorgan Hazard, it seems that this player does not have a big popularity so yes, it seems natural that at this time his performance has also decreased and is playing at Anderlecht. Thus, his move will certainly not have a big impact on Dortmund's performance this season.

Those two brothers have used the same name. Some people might feel a bit confusing to determine which hazard already mentioned above. Eden hazard already announced retirement from playing football while thorgan is still player and he was also moving to the anderlecht.
It's very disappointed to see thorgan hazard never able to play in the top league like his brother. He must be moving to the small club like anderlecht which is bad for his career.
Thorgan hazard was still on his golden age. It's very disappointed to see theer's no club has interest in signing him in the past. I thought that if thorgan was not playing football anymore caused by his name rarely appear.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on September 11, 2023, 09:05:25 AM

And we can't rule out something that happens very often in football, yes it relates to the decline in club performance due to the departure of many major players due to a storm of injuries. That's something to be feared, and another thing is that the depth of the squad is not very balanced so it's difficult to cover the gaps in certain areas.

Not only that, sometimes there are even new players who may have just adapted and don't get a good placement in the strategy, therefore sometimes the manager's job is also to organize the main squad players so that they get the right place in the strategy, at least they will find new strengths in the right strategy. However, at the start of the season we cannot determine the strength of a club and predict it too quickly.

It takes time to adapt to this new season and at the start of this season there may be key players who leave as well as new players coming in who need time to adapt or a new manager because everything needs time for the process of forming the strength of a club, so for me it is not strange if there is a club They were good last season but played badly at the start of this season. Of course they have their own reasons why their performance has declined, but even so, what you say is also true.

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Quote from: Tony116 on September 11, 2023, 10:40:16 AM

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We still need time to select and speculate on who will eventually be in at least the top 5 in the table, given that the clbs that occupy that rank are now practically the same and it must be painful for us to predict. Moreover, it is only Week 4 and it is still too early to conclude anything with regards to the stndings. They are still looking for their best form of play, and in that process surely one by one will experience a decline while others will experience an increase. And it's not impossible that clubs outside the top 10 will be different when entering week 10 for example and that can happen in footbal.

And we can't rule out something that happens very often in football, yes it relates to the decline in club performance due to the departure of many major players due to a storm of injuries. That's something to be feared, and another thing is that the depth of the squad is not very balanced so it's difficult to cover the gaps in certain areas.

They have been inconsistent in the last season. And in the season they started with a loss. But now they have two back-to-back wins as well. The thing is they have only played three matches so far. So it is hard to evaluate any team based on only the starting three matches. We will have to see how they perform throughout the whole season. At least we have to see 10/15 matches from them. Probably after that, we can make an assumption about how they will end the season. Right now, it is hard to predict. But I am hoping that they will finish in a better position compared to what they did in the last season.

Just like I said before. In fact, sometimes there are clubs that play well during the second half of the season, but in the second half of the season they play badly. There are also clubs that play poorly in the first half and can improve in the second half. This can't evaluate in 3 games I like that point. However, I also won't deny that these 3 matches will give us an idea of how they will perform in the future. However, here again, consistency is needed to be shown by a club, and that consistency will be difficult to get. Even strong clubs can struggle to create consistency.

in the Premier League, Manchester United. Now they are in a situation where consistency is difficult for them to obtain. why did I mention the name Manchester United? Yes, that is one example I can mention.

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Dortmund transferred winger Hazard to Anderlecht for a 4 million euro transfer fee.Dortmund wanted to get rid of the players they didn't want in their squad anymore, so they had to make an adjustment in the team.They haven't won a title in the German league for a long time.They will be able to spend money very comfortably in the transfer season as they transferred Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid for a record transfer fee.Hazard, who played on loan at PSV last season, didn't perform as expected and they wanted to sell him.

Hazard was once one of the most valuable players, now it's surprising to see his price drop so much. While older players were starting to make money in Arab countries, Hazard still seems to have chosen to play in Europe.
So I respected him, I think he can still play well in a good team

He meant Thorgan Hazard and not Eden Hazard but indeed, both players are 30 and 32 years old and they are not young anymore. Moreover, at this moment Eden Hazard is not under contract with any club or his current status is without a club. About Thorgan Hazard, it seems that this player does not have a big popularity so yes, it seems natural that at this time his performance has also decreased and is playing at Anderlecht. Thus, his move will certainly not have a big impact on Dortmund's performance this season.

What you said is true, I realized it now too. Sometimes there can be such confusion when the names are the same. I must be a little surprised because we don't hear Hazard's name like we used to

I think I have sympathy for the players we used to know because I enjoyed football more in the past years Cheesy

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Quote from: rendravolt on September 11, 2023, 09:01:18 AM

The only victory achieved by Werder Bremen so far was by beating Mainz with a landslide score of 4-0 without reply. However, when facing strong teams like Freiburg and Bayern Munich, it was clear they couldn't do anything other than suffer defeat. I think if you look at the track record so far for Werder Bremen it is not too bad or vice versa because basically this team is only at the bottom of the table every season.
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Werder Bremen is playing in the other half of the table most of the time if not in 2.Bundesliga. The team consistency is weak, they have good moments but most of the time it is whether a draw or loss.
Their next game vs Heindenheim shouldn't be hard theoretically but odds are quite close with slight advantage for Heindenheim. Their last match was in 2.Bundesliga and Heindenheim won it.

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The Hoffenheim team is not too weak. However, we have not seen good performances from this team in the last few seasons . And we tend to forget that one of the most renowned teams in the Bundesliga is hoffenheim. In 2016-17 they were fourth in the points table and third in the 2017-18 table. They have started this season very well. Despite losing the first match, they won the next two matches against Wolfsburg and Heidenheim. But I am interested to see Hoffenheim's performance in the next three matches. Hoffenheim will face strong opponents like Koln, Union Berlin and Dortmund. And if Hoffenheim can perform well in these three matches, I think they can finish in the top 6 of the table this season.

Hoffenheim started the season well, but it’s difficult to evaluate them now, because the group of teams from third to eighth place scored 6 points each, it’s difficult to single out any team from this group after three rounds. So far, Bayern and Bayer stand out for their good form, but it’s hard to say about the rest. I also don’t like how Dortmund started this season, losing points at the very beginning with Heidenheim and Bochum is not very good.

We still need time to select and speculate on who will eventually be in at least the top 5 in the table, given that the clbs that occupy that rank are now practically the same and it must be painful for us to predict. Moreover, it is only Week 4 and it is still too early to conclude anything with regards to the stndings. They are still looking for their best form of play, and in that process surely one by one will experience a decline while others will experience an increase. And it's not impossible that clubs outside the top 10 will be different when entering week 10 for example and that can happen in footbal.

And we can't rule out something that happens very often in football, yes it relates to the decline in club performance due to the departure of many major players due to a storm of injuries. That's something to be feared, and another thing is that the depth of the squad is not very balanced so it's difficult to cover the gaps in certain areas.

They have been inconsistent in the last season. And in the season they started with a loss. But now they have two back-to-back wins as well. The thing is they have only played three matches so far. So it is hard to evaluate any team based on only the starting three matches. We will have to see how they perform throughout the whole season. At least we have to see 10/15 matches from them. Probably after that, we can make an assumption about how they will end the season. Right now, it is hard to predict. But I am hoping that they will finish in a better position compared to what they did in the last season.

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It's still early in the season and I think Hoffenheim will be the same as last time, they will only compete in the middle of the Bundesliga standings, actually this team has quite good performance and team play but like last season they can't maintain consistency and often make inappropriate mistakes. important so as not to maximize points earned.
Likewise this season, I think it won't be much different as it's still early in the season so we can't draw any conclusions yet.

It could be that this season Hoffenheim will give a slightly different appearance because they also want to make a slight difference to last season in this season. It is true that it is still early in the season so it is not very accurate to judge the performance of any team, but each team will definitely make a difference this season in order to be better than last season. Now Hoffenheim is ranked in the top six of the standings and I am sure that Hoffenheim will continue to try to be in the top ten of the standings until the end of the season, although I am also not sure that Hoffenheim will be in the UCL zone this season.

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Talking about Hoffenheim's new recruits that I know, they managed to get Wout Weghorst, who played for Manchester United last season. But if we talk about Hoffenheim's success so far it is not because of Wout Weghorst but rather the squad which last season is still holding up to this day. However, I still hope that at least Wout Weghorst will immediately contribute to Hofenheim at a critical time. Regarding stronger opponents for Hoffenheim, I think it is quite impossible for them to win but if they hold a draw it is still possible. But still, I can't ignore the defeat against the strong Bundesliga team.

The early season success of Hoffenheim is encouraging, and their recent victories have shown their potential. Although they have had difficulties in the past, their resiliency and motivation may be the secret to surviving in the cutthroat Bundesliga. The real test though will come when they take on tough competition like Dortmund, Bayern Munich or even Union Berlin. These games will demonstrate whether or not their promising start is lasting. It is crucial to remember that little teams like Hoffenheim have the potential to adapt and compete at a higher level, and that they occasionally surprise us with unexpected improvements, frequently brought on by new players or coaches. Therefore, Hoffenheim position in the league is still up in the air but has a lot of room for improvement.

The Hoffenheim team is not too weak. However, we have not seen good performances from this team in the last few seasons . And we tend to forget that one of the most renowned teams in the Bundesliga is hoffenheim. In 2016-17 they were fourth in the points table and third in the 2017-18 table. They have started this season very well. Despite losing the first match, they won the next two matches against Wolfsburg and Heidenheim. But I am interested to see Hoffenheim's performance in the next three matches. Hoffenheim will face strong opponents like Koln, Union Berlin and Dortmund. And if Hoffenheim can perform well in these three matches, I think they can finish in the top 6 of the table this season.

Actually it too quick to say that Hoffenheim has stable performance at the moment, which make sense because in reality this club is capable winning every match and it even seems as if Hoffenheim has good strength to compete against other big club I will be scheduled for this weekend and a little it is difficult for me to determine will win between Hoffenheim and Union berlin because these two club currently very good stability and are almost difficult to predict.
I will agree with you Hoffenheim is able to consistently maintain it strategy and able to compete strongly with big club, it seems like hoffenheim has big chance of regaining its glory and getting new record to get best place in the bundesliga standings.

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Quote from: xzone on September 11, 2023, 08:47:34 AM

Quote from: execijutiere on September 10, 2023, 03:16:50 PM

Dortmund transferred winger Hazard to Anderlecht for a 4 million euro transfer fee.Dortmund wanted to get rid of the players they didn't want in their squad anymore, so they had to make an adjustment in the team.They haven't won a title in the German league for a long time.They will be able to spend money very comfortably in the transfer season as they transferred Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid for a record transfer fee.Hazard, who played on loan at PSV last season, didn't perform as expected and they wanted to sell him.

Hazard was once one of the most valuable players, now it's surprising to see his price drop so much. While older players were starting to make money in Arab countries, Hazard still seems to have chosen to play in Europe.
So I respected him, I think he can still play well in a good team

He meant Thorgan Hazard and not Eden Hazard but indeed, both players are 30 and 32 years old and they are not young anymore. Moreover, at this moment Eden Hazard is not under contract with any club or his current status is without a club. About Thorgan Hazard, it seems that this player does not have a big popularity so yes, it seems natural that at this time his performance has also decreased and is playing at Anderlecht. Thus, his move will certainly not have a big impact on Dortmund's performance this season.

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The Hoffenheim team is not too weak. However, we have not seen good performances from this team in the last few seasons . And we tend to forget that one of the most renowned teams in the Bundesliga is hoffenheim. In 2016-17 they were fourth in the points table and third in the 2017-18 table. They have started this season very well. Despite losing the first match, they won the next two matches against Wolfsburg and Heidenheim. But I am interested to see Hoffenheim's performance in the next three matches. Hoffenheim will face strong opponents like Koln, Union Berlin and Dortmund. And if Hoffenheim can perform well in these three matches, I think they can finish in the top 6 of the table this season.

Hoffenheim started the season well, but it’s difficult to evaluate them now, because the group of teams from third to eighth place scored 6 points each, it’s difficult to single out any team from this group after three rounds. So far, Bayern and Bayer stand out for their good form, but it’s hard to say about the rest. I also don’t like how Dortmund started this season, losing points at the very beginning with Heidenheim and Bochum is not very good.

We still need time to select and speculate on who will eventually be in at least the top 5 in the table, given that the clbs that occupy that rank are now practically the same and it must be painful for us to predict. Moreover, it is only Week 4 and it is still too early to conclude anything with regards to the stndings. They are still looking for their best form of play, and in that process surely one by one will experience a decline while others will experience an increase. And it's not impossible that clubs outside the top 10 will be different when entering week 10 for example and that can happen in footbal.

And we can't rule out something that happens very often in football, yes it relates to the decline in club performance due to the departure of many major players due to a storm of injuries. That's something to be feared, and another thing is that the depth of the squad is not very balanced so it's difficult to cover the gaps in certain areas.

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The only victory achieved by Werder Bremen so far was by beating Mainz with a landslide score of 4-0 without reply. However, when facing strong teams like Freiburg and Bayern Munich, it was clear they couldn't do anything other than suffer defeat. I think if you look at the track record so far for Werder Bremen it is not too bad or vice versa because basically this team is only at the bottom of the table every season.

In the past few seasons, the 18/19 season was one of their best achievements in 5 years by finishing in 8th position. After that Werder Bremen were still unable to compete in the top flight and only experienced the relegation process repeatedly before finally last season they return to the bundesliga. I think Werder Bremen must try harder so as not to experience a similar incident this season. Next, Werder Bremen will face Heidenheim and this should be a fairly easy match for them and even though it is an away game, Werder Bremen must take advantage of this situation very well so as not to lose points in the match against a strong team later.

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Quote from: execijutiere on September 10, 2023, 03:16:50 PM

Dortmund transferred winger Hazard to Anderlecht for a 4 million euro transfer fee.Dortmund wanted to get rid of the players they didn't want in their squad anymore, so they had to make an adjustment in the team.They haven't won a title in the German league for a long time.They will be able to spend money very comfortably in the transfer season as they transferred Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid for a record transfer fee.Hazard, who played on loan at PSV last season, didn't perform as expected and they wanted to sell him.

Hazard was once one of the most valuable players, now it's surprising to see his price drop so much. While older players were starting to make money in Arab countries, Hazard still seems to have chosen to play in Europe.
So I respected him, I think he can still play well in a good team

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on September 10, 2023, 05:26:35 PM

Dortmund have sold several players this season. A notable transfer for Dortmund this transfer window was the sale of Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid. Dortmund sold first Jude Bellingham and now Hazard in this transfer window. After selling Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid for a significant amount of money, I thought maybe they would sign a new player with the money they got from Jude Bellingham's transfer, but they have not signed any new players in the team so far and they sold another player. I don't understand what Dortmund are planning with their team. Maybe the club will re-sign a young talent and develop his talent in the future and sell him to another club for a significant amount of money.

I don't really know maybe Dortmund is just only after building and selling of players with the way the club is just selling out talented players very season, with is actions I don't their after trophies to put smiles in the face of their fans, other big team are trying to be rebuilding their squad in orders to get opportunity to win trophy but Dortmund own is to keeping selling their players that they need to keep in the squad to achieve many desire trophy.i can't really say but if Dortmund can continue like this it will be weaking the team squad and that can also lead the club losing their fans.

If Dortmund have not sell players like Haaland and Jude Bellingham and currently this two players are still in the squad Dortmund chances of win different trophies this season should have been increase especially champions league and Bundesliga and from there their recognition in clubs rank should have been batter than this. Infact this season I don't think that Dortmund is going anywhere especially in champion league with the way I see their performances.

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Quote from: len01 on September 11, 2023, 01:21:07 AM

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If Dortmund really wants to get the Bundesliga title, it actually very easy, like what happened last season, its one step closer to the Bundesliga title, but its like Dortmund gave up not getting the title even though it very clear that if they win enough matches, Dortmund can get the title.

however, we have to accept this fact that Dortmund will not be too concerned with the title but more with producing new talents and if for several seasons Dortmund does not sell its reliable players, perhaps Bayern munich and Dortmund will always compete strongly for the Bundesliga title every season.

Yes last season was very close, it was a tense and interesting rivalry. Indeed Dortmund have that opportunity actually because they are smart in selecting and developing players, unfortunately maybe their goal is only money, not achievements. Even though if they can keep the key player, the gates are really wide open for them and their fans also will probably be very happy, because their chances of getting achievements are bigger.

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Interesting analysis and in fact I see that bookmakers estimate the probability of Dortmund winning as low (less than 50%):

3.45 - 3.55 - 2.12

I’m not sure that the bet on Freiburg is justified, since the odds are not so good - only 3.45, and the game could end in either a draw or a victory for Dortmund. Maybe it makes sense to bet on Freiburg Double chance with odds 1.70.

I think Freiburg has good chance to win this one. Dortmund are very poor in terms of goal scoring right now. I feel if Freiburg manages to score 2-3 goals then I don't think Dortmund have a chance to win or draw. I also agree that Freiburg and double chance seems to be a very good bet here. It's gonna be a good shot as Dortmund has really let down so far since the start.

Even Bayern will have a hard time winning if they concede 2-3 goals first Grin

although they often concede 3 goals after leading 5-0 or something like that. In fact, this will be another random match from Dortmund and I don’t know what bet to make is more correct, maybe it’s even worth making a live bet or just passing by this game.

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