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now it explains why the decision to reinvest feels too much of a FOMO and frankly doesn't make sense, just imagine buying when price already doubled compared to price when selling, I doubt the government will be that FOMO'd toward btc increase in all honesty.
i also heard that the seized BTC was sold because court order or something, so reinvesting the money just doesn't make sense at all.

It’s not the same state that are re investing rather if true it is Berlin that is actually investing now and not re investing, the state that sold was Saxony. The order doesn’t have to be from the court because ideally it’s not right to keep the funds or property seized as reserve or anything. It’s just similar to impounded property which are later auctioned off. People actually relate this to the German government and many articles have actually debunked it a lot of time.

As for maybe the Berlin state are FOMOing by buying at the current price because of the move I would say no, the reason is they have the capacity to actually hold it for long and also are buying in large quantity. FOMo is when actually do not have the capacity to hold for long and you’re having smaller funds too. Moreover bitcoin isn’t like other cryptocurrencies that loses value easily and buying at a price like it is now will not cause much of a problem because there is high possibility of it Moving up from here
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I remember that news. Had dismissed it as a general liquidation of assets. You get what you get and bring in the money you need. Did not expect the state to consider it as an investment loss though, and did not expect them to re-up. Seems particularly bad timing (if you're playinig the game) to sell in a bear and buy in a bull if you're not holding longer than a cycle... Reuters should be reliable to report that fact, so... then again Germany does have a history of bad financial management (sorry Merkel, austerity only works if you do it all the way).
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So obviously, they've missed out, but then again, it's not too late as every countries is talking about investing into Bitcoin and making it their national reserves. And with the incoming President of the US talking about it, definitely it has a ripple effects on most countries around the world.

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The news was a bit exaggerated because Germany had not previously purchased bitcoin and they did not have any bitcoin reserves because the bitcoins they sold were obtained through confiscation. The author does not understand the meaning of loss and maybe he does not have a view on what is being done so the writing that is published is more about the meaning in a more general sense. If it is said that they want to reinvest then they should have done that before but they did not and I think it is just a matter of bookkeeping from the confiscated bitcoins they did before.

But if they start thinking about investing it should be a positive step because they are starting to see something better in bitcoin. So considering starting will be one of the right steps because Bitcoin always provides maturity in personal, group and institutional investments.
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It’s good news, and more of such will still be coming out, if not every month.

It is laughable news, because if Germany wanted to buy and hold some Bitcoin in the first place, then they should've contacted Saxony first and told them not to sell their bags. Bam - problem solved. No hits on the budget deficit required. But yeah, "crypto is bad money laundering tool", so of course they sold their holdings.

If they want to get some back, it will be at a huge loss.
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That article is a bit misleading to me; firstly, there was no bitcoin reserve that was sold out, and no profit was lost.
there is no profit lost but there is definitely an opportunity there that they missed out on i am sure though that the money they got for selling bitcoin was used for something productive so it is not so bad i guess
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Berlin, the capital of Germany is the one that have proposed to buy bitcoin, which is what I will consider to be a reserve and not the first seized and sold-out bitcoin.
they are of different cities so we know that the administrations of each city seem to have different perception of bitcoin i think berlin being the one to make that decision is impactful since they are the capital of germany and could prove to be an example for other cities in germany and potentially for other countries as well
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That article is a bit misleading to me; firstly, there was no bitcoin reserve that was sold out, and no profit was lost.

Saxony is a city in Germany that sold confiscated Bitcoin and not the Bitcoin they bought and reserved, as the article presumes.

Berlin, the capital of Germany is the one that have proposed to buy bitcoin, which is what I will consider to be a reserve and not the first seized and sold-out bitcoin. Unless their is something that I’m missing..

 It’s good news, and more of such will still be coming out, if not every month.

Agreed.
Heard this story lots of times, and people do forget that the seized Bitcoin are not the same as bought ones - by the gov logic, they should sell them in any case, slowly or not.
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It appears that this is more of a personal blog than a mainstream news site and the blog owner is making false claims to mislead readers rather than providing official news. Germany never had bitcoin reserves, they never bought bitcoin and the bitcoins they sold were from confiscations and they were sold in 2024, not 2022.
I have tried reading some other posts on this blog and found that this blog provides misleading and unreliable information. Creating and spreading fake news will not make bitcoin better and more popular, we should not support these actions.

Another fake news from that blog.

https://invincible.bond/microsoftinvestmentstory
now it explains why the decision to reinvest feels too much of a FOMO and frankly doesn't make sense, just imagine buying when price already doubled compared to price when selling, I doubt the government will be that FOMO'd toward btc increase in all honesty.
i also heard that the seized BTC was sold because court order or something, so reinvesting the money just doesn't make sense at all.
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So obviously, they've missed out, but then again, it's not too late as every countries is talking about investing into Bitcoin and making it their national reserves. And with the incoming President of the US talking about it, definitely it has a ripple effects on most countries around the world.
They seem to be making moves in bitcoin at the wrong times. Selling during a market downturn and then buying when the price is high. Obviously, there are more benefits to buying bitcoin now even if these benefits will be evident only in the long term but if they are expecting to see huge profits in the short term I must say that they are definitely doing this backwards.

They should have trusted bitcoin back then and they could have massively reaped rewards now but what is done is done and at least they have realized what they have done and now are taking to at least remedy that mistake of not owning bitcoin.
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It appears that this is more of a personal blog than a mainstream news site and the blog owner is making false claims to mislead readers rather than providing official news. Germany never had bitcoin reserves, they never bought bitcoin and the bitcoins they sold were from confiscations and they were sold in 2024, not 2022.
I have tried reading some other posts on this blog and found that this blog provides misleading and unreliable information. Creating and spreading fake news will not make bitcoin better and more popular, we should not support these actions.

Another fake news from that blog.

https://invincible.bond/microsoftinvestmentstory
legendary
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Did they really "reinvest," or is that just a misleading term? From what I’ve heard, this country sold their previously confiscated Bitcoin from cases like Movie2k and other illegal online scams or money laundering operations.

No, Germany didn't reinvest. It didn't invest, in the first place. This article just made it appear as if Germany committed a mistake, regretted about it, and is now trying to make up for it. That's oversimplification. That's not what happened. This article is a garbage. It appears written by a work-from-home poorly-paid content creator from a faraway country.

There was indeed some resistance coming from the German parliament at that time. A member even wrote to the chancellor himself that the decision to sell those coins was "not sensible" and "counterproductive". They should have been kept.
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Interesting.  Everybody wants to jump the Bitcoin train all of a sudden it seems.

That Bitcoin paper loss is probably not much for Germany, but it is something to consider.  Added up, it could turn into a huge Profit to be missing on.  I would have probably done the same if I was in their position.

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You can call it as a loss or not as a loss, but my opinion is it's not a loss. You can say it is a loss if you bought it with your money, and sold it at lost price.

And if you sell your bitcoin with profit, for example bought it at $50,000 and sold it at $80,000, 1 year or several years later, Bitcoin will have its price at $500,000, your profit in 2025 is still profit, it is never a loss.
It is a paper loss.  In other words, Money they missed out on.  This is true even in the scenario you mention.  You had Profits, but you also had a paper loss caused by not taking Profits at the right time.
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Loss could be understood broadly. Missed opportunity could be considered as a loss. If the state liquidated its Bitcoin holdings and got $1 billion, but it could have sold it a few months later and would have raised $3 billion instead, there was indeed a loss.

Did they really "reinvest," or is that just a misleading term? From what I’ve heard, this country sold their previously confiscated Bitcoin from cases like Movie2k and other illegal online scams or money laundering operations.

While it’s true that a missed opportunity can also be seen as a loss, the article seems deliberately written to grab attention. If they wanted to report it accurately and avoid misleading readers, they could have simply framed it as a "missed opportunity" instead of implying a direct financial loss. I wonder if there will be a similar article if Bitcoin dumps, seems like it’s all about making headlines to pull readers in.
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So after missing out a huge profit before, the government of Germany has plans to reinvest again,

Germany to Reinvest in Bitcoin After $3.1 Billion Loss in Previous Sale.

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Berlin, Jan 5 (Reuters) – The German government announced on Friday its plans to reinvest in Bitcoin following a $3.1 billion loss from selling its holdings during a market downturn in late 2022. At the time, the government had liquidated its Bitcoin reserves, citing heightened market volatility and growing regulatory uncertainties.
I remember that they sold bitcoin from seized source, not from their national investment in Bitcoin. So selling seized bitcoin from criminal activities, at any price is not a loss for German government.

Germany’s $1.7B Bitcoin loss: Selling BTC at $54K was a huge mistake.

You can call it as a loss or not as a loss, but my opinion is it's not a loss. You can say it is a loss if you bought it with your money, and sold it at lost price.

And if you sell your bitcoin with profit, for example bought it at $50,000 and sold it at $80,000, 1 year or several years later, Bitcoin will have its price at $500,000, your profit in 2025 is still profit, it is never a loss.
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That article is a bit misleading to me; firstly, there was no bitcoin reserve that was sold out, and no profit was lost.

Saxony is a city in Germany that sold confiscated Bitcoin and not the Bitcoin they bought and reserved, as the article presumes.

Berlin, the capital of Germany is the one that have proposed to buy bitcoin, which is what I will consider to be a reserve and not the first seized and sold-out bitcoin. Unless their is something that I’m missing..

It’s good news, and more of such will still be coming out, if not every month.

Saxony isn't a city; it's a state, right?

Anyway, indeed, the article seems to be bereft of facts. Are they even referring to Saxony's seized Bitcoin? Because if they are, those coins weren't sold in 2022. Those were sold mid of 2024.

Loss could be understood broadly. Missed opportunity could be considered as a loss. If the state liquidated its Bitcoin holdings and got $1 billion, but it could have sold it a few months later and would have raised $3 billion instead, there was indeed a loss.
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The writer seems to be exaggerating since there’s no real loss in the first place as they didn’t buy anything. Just like in the US, their holdings came from confiscations tied to illegal activities. Sure, we can call it their reserve, but technically, there was never a loss because they didn’t have any capital invested.

My guess is they’re just trying to set the books straight. The accounting for those confiscations likely can’t be considered as cleanly acquired assets, so selling them was probably the right move. If they decide to invest now, it wouldn’t be called reinvestment since they never actually invested in the first place.
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That article is a bit misleading to me; firstly, there was no bitcoin reserve that was sold out, and no profit was lost.

Saxony is a city in Germany that sold confiscated Bitcoin and not the Bitcoin they bought and reserved, as the article presumes.

Berlin, the capital of Germany is the one that have proposed to buy bitcoin, which is what I will consider to be a reserve and not the first seized and sold-out bitcoin. Unless their is something that I’m missing..

 It’s good news, and more of such will still be coming out, if not every month.
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So after missing out a huge profit before, the government of Germany has plans to reinvest again,

Germany to Reinvest in Bitcoin After $3.1 Billion Loss in Previous Sale.

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Berlin, Jan 5 (Reuters) – The German government announced on Friday its plans to reinvest in Bitcoin following a $3.1 billion loss from selling its holdings during a market downturn in late 2022. At the time, the government had liquidated its Bitcoin reserves, citing heightened market volatility and growing regulatory uncertainties. The sale occurred as Bitcoin’s value plunged to multi-year lows, a decision that now appears premature given the cryptocurrency’s subsequent rebound. Bitcoin prices more than doubled in 2024, fueled by increased institutional adoption and renewed investor confidence in decentralized finance. The German Finance Ministry described the decision to reinvest as a strategic recalibration aimed at capitalizing on the evolving role of cryptocurrencies in the global financial system.

So obviously, they've missed out, but then again, it's not too late as every countries is talking about investing into Bitcoin and making it their national reserves. And with the incoming President of the US talking about it, definitely it has a ripple effects on most countries around the world.

You can follow it here if they made the purchase or not: https://intel.arkm.com/explorer/entity/germany
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