Topic: Germany Won’t Tax Cryptocurrencies Used To Make Purchases (Read 494 times)

That's good news for the investors in Germany.

hope this to be implemented in my country too, as i have hopes that cryptos will be a daily use in our lives. soon countries will embrace fiatless economy

That's good news,similar legislation will be adopted in all EU countries.The Court justified its taxing decision by stating that it considers cryptocurrency as a legal means of payment.But for sure that now we will see an increase in their number.

This is good. A lot of government has been making this leap for bitcoin. This will all the more promote the use of bitcoin as a currency. I hope all other countries are going to follow their lead. Europe has been in the verge of welcoming the cryptocurrency in a way of promoting it to be used by their people. I hope the US will folllow their lead and stop sniffing like a dog just to tax anyone who owns bitcoin or any other crypto.

If so, maybe the Crypto market is going to fade in Germany, in my opinion we should extend our arms to the Crypto market to come to this world, even though they have many disadvantages. Their benefits are great.

Thats still scary.Even though Germany is a rich country, still tax are a very useful fund for a country specially for the developments. But since they arent threatening people who uses bitcoin for tax evasion, they were in good.

  This is really a good news to hear , other countries like US and south Korea are trying to find a ways through regulators on how to collect taxes in any transactions done by a virtual accounts , but not in Germany because there finance people are the one deciding that all crypto transactions are exempted on tax , it's really sound good.

Makes me want to move to Germany just so that I can trade with my cryptos freely. Bold move for Germany as without taxing bitcoin transactions they may be losing on much needed tax money to further improve their country. Kudos to them.

This is great initiation on bitcoin's approval on the german country. This is a good news specially for those who uses bitcoin as a payment or currency to buy goods/products or services. Other country should do the same as german country did because they do not own bitcoins even regulating it is not because of them. I hope our country will do it next and prove that they really want to have a progressive country.

https://www.coindesk.com/germany-considers-crypto-legal-equivalent-to-fiat-for-tax-purposes/

Its a welcome but strange decision.
They are recognising bitcoin for what it was designed to do - a payment system
but they realise that at the moment bitcoin and crypto are mostly used as investment tools and not for purchasing goods/services

It kind of looks like they are encouraging the use of it but are going to catch you with taxes when converting to FIAT.

This is pretty much ideal news for Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general as countries are pushing forward to make them exempted from taxes. Its time for the other European Union countries to step up and follow Germany's stance here which would make EU a tax-free haven for people using cryptocurrency for payments.

European countries are developing in this field too. But unlike Asian countries, here we are continuously lacking in this race as our governments have strictly bans bitcoins to be used. We are not allowed to trade in them, nor any sort of investment.

May God make them happier that they only allowed us to work here? It is unofficial still, but they know it and they are not stopping us from this.

Yes this is good news, I read it a few days ago and was happy with that. I think soon many countries in Europe and the world will such laws as bitcoin has the right to exist and be used and is not taxed because we all want.

Though, if I am a freelancer and get paid with cryptocurrency, I don't pay income tax.

The government will never give up taxes. You do not pay VAT when buying bitcoin. What's so surprising? VAT is paid only by enterprises. But this money they take from us. When you buy goods after the exchange of bitcoins for Fiat you pay VAT in each store. If you do not buy anything you will pay income tax. You can't hide from taxes by legal means.

On the first place the government should really not tax cryptocurrencies since they do not own it. People who uses cryptocurrencies as payment have a good critical thinking that make them better than others in terms of budgeting.

Yeah, and the one that wrote the article isn't making things easier.
First, there will be no taxation when you buy something with cryptos, one legal reason is because in the EU you still pay VAT on purchases.

But people that believe they will escape capital gains buy buying property they forget that this is taxed different from the US. You will still taxes on the profit you make when exchanging them to euros, but not on the transfer.

There was a passage that lead to this mess


There will be no VAT on euro>BTC, this doesn't mean you're going to avoid taxes on profit you have made.

This will make some Tzumany waves thru Europe. I am glad that the Germans are open minded and realizes the importance of cryptocurrency.

Well this is pretty huge. Has anyone bought anything of relevance in Germany? I would like to see someone buying a car, or even better, buying a house, with 0 tax if they paid on bitcoin.

I have seen people buying real estate already with bitcoin in other countries, and now for anyone that has a decent amount of bitcoins, buying real estate in germany is very attractive they are going to be able to legally avoid taxes...

Of course, if you didn't pay taxes in increase of capital, you still don't need to pay these as soon as you use bitcoin as payment? it's pretty confusing.

This is a great news for the crypto currency users who are willing to spend their cryptos without converting them into fiat.I hope this will convince other countries also do the same if it happens then crypto currencies demand will highly increase.

I suppose they'd have establishments register a bitcoin address where they can receive payment from their customers in btc. Might be not as straightforward if it goes through another service that converts it to fiat (like when I pay in btc from my exchange wallet for my utilities).

You likely have to keep the receipts. I mean, you're free to declare that you spent 5 Bitcoins in the year on electronics and groceries, but should you be tagged for suspicious behavior, you're going to have to prove your claims. It's just like paying regular taxes; you need to be ready to prove that you have declared everything correctly because an audit is a possibility.

I've just checked Overstock.com (they accept BTC). I haven't found any TVs but I've found a TV stand It's $267.74 USD or 0.0241324 BTC. Current exchange rate is $11105 per BTC. So the BTC price is exactlty the same. Seller's tax is included already.

I did not think that paying tax is not logical when buying something,I was thinking that when buying something with BTC we should not be additionally taxed only because we pay with BTC.In Europe we have value added tax (VAT) which is different in each country and it may be different for individual products.So when you buy let's say TV,you will pay some price-one part is going to seller,other part to manufacturer and third to the state in the form of VAT.Some extra tax if you pay that TV with BTC would not make any sense for you because the overall price would be higher in relation to the payment in fiat.

Good news, hoping that all EU countries will follow 'the leader'.
Here - Belgium - it's as always a grey zone.
Investing as a 'good house father policy' (no full time job) = no taxes
However considering it as a speculative character, going for price swings etc = 33 % taxes :-s
Grey zone as how to control? How to prove? ...?

this is certainly good news for the crypto currency community in the german state and this is a positive signal for the entire crypto market in the country. and this is, of course, very contrary to the tax system adopted in the United States of America which argues that it considers Bitcoin as a property that requires taxation as the principle applicable to property taxation. so I think of some policies and also regulations that are done by each country this is certainly for a purpose, especially in terms of economics for the better. so whatever decisions applied by the government of a country of course as a good citizen we must still obey it.

Why do you think that paying tax when buying smth isn't logical, globally?

This would be very advantageous for each crypto-user in the country. Having to pay taxes is a hassle and sometimes discouraging. It's a pain to have to pay some amount from your income which you have worked so hard to earn. Since it is now being treated as a capital gains tax, this is similar whenever you gain some revenue through stocks. That is how it is in my country and I hope that they would impose the same kind of regulation when it comes to cryptocurrencies.

In Germany tax payment on cryptocurrency is regulated for some time.If you buy BTC and hold it for 1 year or more and then sell-there will not be any tax on capital gains in that case.Also people will not pay any tax if they capital gain is bellow 600 EUR (I assume this applies to the annual period),so people there know how things stand.

I am not sure how they will decide when to people need to pay tax or not,but for me is logical that you not need to pay tax if you buy mobile phone or PC with BTC,but you will pay tax on capital gains if you are buying/selling cryptocurrency only with the intent to make a profit.

I hope others countries in EU will make similar decisions,but it will take time for that.

This is a really a good news and I think other countries should also follow this trend. Currently the governments are taking tax on crypto investments because:

1) Some of the governments have got greedy and thus they want to benefit from the increasing acceptance of bitcoins. They are seeing this as an opportunity to increase their yearly income.

2) Some are doing this so as to discourage the investors. They consider bitcoin investments as some type of scam which can harm the investors. Thus they have put huge taxes so that people do not invest money in bitcoins.

But how would they know if someone was using it as a payment or for speculation? Do people have to keep receipts to prove they spent bitcoin as a payment for something?

If I were German I'd claim it was all payments and therefore not be eligible for any taxes on bitcoin at all...

Germany is one of the main countries in the eu!

Germany's attitude towards digital cryptographic currency has positive reference for other eu member states.

Digital cryptographic currency can have a good development in Europe, and it is changing European society!

This could lead to big increase of crypto in EU because now you have to pay 10-40% (country depending) when you are converting to fiat.

Let's hope that now other EU members will follow the German example.

The Germans never make rash decisions. I like that the legislation in respect of bitcoin has moved from a dead point. Perhaps a strong-willed decision has been made in the EU and European countries will set a trend in the crypto economy. Trump wanted an economic war, he'll get it. I'm not sure that America will be the winner.

The story basis is more on the good side of bitcoin users, however we don't know the real purpose of the german's government, but if we try to view the economic status of Germany's government, they already belong to economically high level compare to any other countries, and we are hoping that germany government will continue the full support of cryptocurrency operations in their country without any asking of taxes payments so that more and more countries would also followed.

Yeah you are right if all the people adapts to the crypto currency payment then the government will go bankrupt which result collapse in their country.I think this is just a strategy by the government of Germany to encourage the people to use crypto currencies not just holding maybe later on they will implement the taxes for the crypto too.

What is the rationale of levying a tax on payment? Although there may be tax on profits arising from trading BTC

The story basis is more on the good side of bitcoin users, however we don't know the real purpose of the german's government, but if we try to view the economic status of Germany's government, they already belong to economically high level compare to any other contries, and we are hoping that germany government will continue the full support of cryptocurrency operations in their country without any asking of taxes payments so that more and more countries would also followed.

I suppose that all these tax exemptions will last until cryptocurrencies become a really global payment method. When you won't have to exchange BTC into fiat to buy smth anymore, countries will have to tax crypto transactions too. So, let's get our benefits while the rules are still quite liberal

Tax exemption declared by the government would be always amazing thing to hear in first place. I mean people can earn as much as they want online and then go on spending them online or offline as the payment made like that way wont be taxed. So things will look like very cheap for them. But this has to be perfect system as people might just buy crypto currencies and then buy big properties thereof. This could be alarming later on as the rule stays that transaction made as crypto currency wont be tracked for the taxes. This way people might just get government out of money and economic collapse might just happen. But they might have thought through this one already. Hopefully. Otherwise its perfect news.

This is amazing. I think it's because this will help fulfil the empty value that crypto retains with material goods. Very smart.

That is a good news for investors and cryptocurrencies users in Germany, And make people depends more on cryptocurrencies, The number of cryptocurrencies exchange will increase of course to make profits!

Both good and bad here.

The good news is that germany is adopting a somewhat deregulation stance in regard to bitcoin and crypto. This will benefit the crypto industry as taxes which often cripple and strangle businesses are not being implemented.

The bad news could be that recession and global economic slowdown are big enough concerns that germany dares not tamper with the fastest growing sector of finance in the hope that the value being created will help to alleviate any negative economic circumstances which may arise. These fears may already be making their presence known in the form of our recent DOW decline.

It's good news for the investors in the German.They won't invested dollar in the illegal activity.Only draw back is paying tax,we are paying some dollars as a tax in paper money.When the taxation is implement all over the country,bitcoin will become a legal currency all over the world.

That's good news. I think now that similar legislation will be adopted in all EU countries. I do not know how the European cryptocurrency exchanges will work, but I am sure that now we will see an increase in their number. We'll have a choice. I think that the main task of the cryptocurrency is the destruction of the established monopolies. Everyone will benefit from it.

The German Federal Ministry of Finances considers Bitcoin as tax-exempt so long as it is used as a means of payment, Cointelegraph auf Deutsch reported Thursday, March 1.
The German federal authority published its decision to not subject purchases with Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency to taxes on Feb. 27, citing the European Court’s 2015 decision, which set a precedent for all members of the European Union.
The Court justified its taxing decision by stating that it considers cryptocurrency as a legal means of payment:
So-called virtual currencies (cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin) are considered equal to the legal means of payment, as long as these so-called virtual currencies have been accepted as alternative and contractual means of payment by the parties involved in the transaction and have no other purpose than being used as a means of payment.”
According to the decision, a conversion from crypto to fiat or vice versa is classified as “other taxable services”. Therefore, a party that is acting as an intermediary for this exchange will not be taxed. Under this provision, operators of crypto exchanges can also get tax exemptions, “if they complete the purchase and sale of Bitcoin as an intermediary on their own behalf.”
The court decision also notes that miner fees will not be taxed, since they are paid on a voluntary basis.
These guidelines distinguish Germany from the US where The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) treats Bitcoin like property, meaning that each purchase using Bitcoin is technically considered to be a sale of property and is, therefore, subject to capital gains tax.