Topic: GGG vs Canelo II (Read 309 times)

I think there's some worthy opponents at Middleweight, as far as I can remember GGG is mandated to fight Derevyanchenko, after the original 2nd fight was cancelled due to Canelo, caught with banned substances.however, he chooses to go with Vanes because its makes more sense financially.

So we couldn't blame them and now that the rematch was fight, the rest of the guys in the Middleweight should wait for their turn to fight either one of them, specially GGG.

What make this fight more exciting is that its going to be Golovkin's 20 fight defense as a Middleweight. If he will the win his fight against Canelo, he will broke Bernard Hopkins 20 consecutive defenses of the IBF middleweight title. So its going to be a sweet victory for Golovkin as he will re-write the history again.

Of course, the drama has been started since Canelo was "caught" with that tainted meat and they have been trading verbal jabs even before the signing of the contract. Even the trainers of both side are also engaging in a word war. LOL. They no longer respect its other as compare to the first fight so its going to be a war inside the ring. Probably there will be a third match but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves here, just watch and enjoy the rematch for now.

Expect another drama in this fight. There are no more good opponents for these two fighters but themselves. I'll wait and watch
 for GGG vs Canelo III. 

Judges has been selected by NSAC already.

[1] Glenn Feldman
[2] Dave Moretti
[3] Steve Weisfeld

And referee to officiate: Benjy Esteves Jr.

I do hope that the judges this time won't pull a Adelaide Byrd sort of scoring. 

And for the undercard:


http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/24429019/jaime-munguia-david-lemieux-roman-gonzalez-set-gennady-golovkin-canelo-alvarez-undercard

Yep, would rather see a slugfest though. Saul Alvarez wants to counter during the first fight that's why Golovkin took the early rounds from some of the judges. But I do hope that they will go toe-to-toe in the first half and see who got the better chin. I don't like the feeling out game that Saul shows us, maybe he is still testing Golovkin power.

He says he was not affected by it and doesn't feel anything. Might be some small adjustments, but as boxing fans we want to see a slugfest and see who is the last man standing.

True that, they both took some heavy blows in their first bout, and kept coming forward. If anybody is going to get KO'd it's going to be Saul since GGG has the better knockout record, though I'd say that is a very unlikely outcome. I think it's gonna be a long, gruesome slugfest just like the first one. I really think if they want a KO, they need to come out swinging in the first round, which is't gonna happen.

Hmmm. Very interesting view. Do you have any proof that the first one was fixed and that the judge who scored the fight on Canelo (118–110) was part of a game fixed and might be on Golden Boy's payroll? I understand that today's boxing is more of a business but I don't think that we have game fix match with the kind of levels this fighter is. Perhaps it was really more of getting a bad judge, to score this highly anticipated match. Adelaide Byrd has a lot of history of incompetency in scoring fights, I don't know why the Nevada Athletic Commission still appointed her to be the judge in the first fight.

They both have a iron-chin, it was tested during their last fight and either one of them didn't flinched. It would be really a good ending if Saul Alvarez, gets KD or KO. But I doubt that it will happen. Who ever loses this much should not make any excuses, unless we witness another robbery.


I'm also going on GGG. For me he really should have won the first fight. He was the aggressor and Saul rally in the last 3 rounds is not enough to give him a SP. UD for GGG.

Looks like both Golovkin and Canelo want to settle this with a knockout, though I doubt either of them will be able to accomplish it given the fact that neither have ever been KO'd and they had a pretty fast pace even in their last fight.

I'm gonna have to go for GGG by MD or UD.

@Juggy777, boxing now is treated like business. They need a lot of drama to sell the fights. Gone are the days were there are less spectacle but more actions in the ring. However, I feel that both of this two fighters really hates each other, specially after Canelo make a lot of excuses when he has caught and labelled as dirty fighter by GGG. I would love to see Canelo lying on the floor as well, so that GGG can finally shut his mouth. There will be no adjustments, they will go at each other just like the first fight and hope that this time it won't go to the judges' scorecard.

These days boxing looks more like opera or a scene pulled out from a Hollywood movie, current boxers are more interested in glamour, spot light rather the sport. They're just monetising this beautiful sport, with unnecessary drama, but for this particular match it's really heating it up, I hope it shows up in the ring.

 Canelo deserves to loose and when he does I'm sure he'll blame it on the tainted meat saga, there is no doubt in my mind that golovkin is a better and experienced boxer, and he'll definitely ko Canelo. I hope we have a dream finish of Canelo laying flat in the ring, after all the hype, this match better not have hugs like pacq and may match.

Just one month from now, we will see another anticipated rematch in boxing. Both of them are throwing jabs and really talking smack. However, its really going to be interesting how Canelo, (without the tainted meat in his system ) can KO GGG,


https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-ill-look-ko-golovkin-from-very-first-round-rematch--130926

I wouldn't be surprise if it tops 1.5 PPV. Yes you are correct, there have been a lot of media trash talks going on and even Oscar Dela Hoya (promoting Canelo) says that the whole Mexico wanted Canelo to knock out and shut the mouth of Golovkin. lol. Now that is promotion to that highest level. I will still love to see Golovkin beat Canelo in fashion, maybe a body shot, Canelo falling on his knees and can't get up.

Ok fair enough.  Might not be as close as to May-Pac PPV numbers but I'm assuming that it can go above its previous PPV because each one of them has something to prove. Most of us saw the GGG really won the fight so he might used a different strategy but Alvarez, with all the steroids allegations will want to prove that he is clean. But I don't think that there will be a "bro-mance"   inside the ring. They now started to hate each other, so someone will really get hurt during this fight.

Let's just hope that we'll see a clear knockout this time, to see who really is the strongest.
Also, this should better not go with the level of running/hugging as with the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. People are already tired in watching a romance show inside the boxing ring   .


I guess it doesn't stand a chance to reach the same ppv numbers with the Pacquiao - Mayweather.
Honestly, I don't feel the same thrill on this upcoming fight when compared to the so called "Fight of the Century".

GGG every day of the week for me, the last fight decision was bull shit, must have been rigged. GGG will put it right this time with a victory.

I really don't think that they can go above 2 million per-pay-view in their second fight but I have to say that they can exceed their first fight. Again, even though that GGG is destroying fighters, he hasn't had established himself as a big superstar in the US and its been like 4-5 years before he appear in the US, casual fans doesn't know him that much, to say the least. I'm been seeing a lot of media trash talk lately about how they have each other that may added another drama here, but my best estimate is that they can get around 1.3-1.5 pay-per-view in their rubber match.

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

Yes, I stand corrected, it should be Golovkin has more bargaining power now. Saul Alvarez is the A side during the first fight because the has lot of fanbased And Golovkin hasn't have that drawing power yet in the US soil. While Alvarez has established himself as boxing cash cow.


https://www.boxingscene.com/loeffler-50-50-fair-ggg-gave-canelo-5-percent-his-ego--129241

I think you mean that Golovkin has more bargaining power now, Canelo is the nickname of Saul Alvarez. I don't think GGG's destruction of Vanes has much to do with this position for the next fight. Also, where did you read that Canelo took the major share of the first purse? Doesn't seem realistic considering GGG was the A side?

Ok let me try to get it straight.

In the first fight, Saul Alvarez took the lionshare's of the purse. Splitting 70-30 on his favor. Golovkin then retains all his belt as a result. It ended up in a draw and both verbally agreed to a rematch but then time is 65-35, which is fair in my opinion. However, Saul Alvarez was caught with steroids on his system, causing the May fight cancelled. Golovkin then beat Vanes and broke Bernard Hopkins of 18 successful defense of the Middleweight crown. Now here's my take.

Canelo has more bargaining power now since (a) Saul Alvarez was suspended because of illegal substance on his system (b) He broke Hopkins record (c) he is the undisputed champion. So I think he has all the rights to at least a 50-50 split and eventhough he and his team verbally agreed on the 65-35 at the time because the result of the VADA wasn't well known yet.

But as mentioned, dela Hoya shouldered the remaining 2.5%, 57.5-42.5, but Golovkin rejected. So at the last minute, and to salvage the fight, he had to cough out that remaining 2.5% so that Golovkin will get 45%.

And as everyone who follow the first fight, it was a robbery indeed and I hope Golovkin winning. He did the damage early and I don't think that the championship was enough for Alvarez to rally to at least make it a draw.

Well, I really don't see why juicelo should get anywhere near the Lion's share of the split, firstly he was suspended and fined for tested positive for a banned substance, which he claims was due to eating raw meat or something ridiculous. Canelo is obviously doing something suspicious, his physique has changed in such an unusual way recently as he's been climbing to the top of the rankings.

That being said, Golovkin was completely robbed in their first fight, every score card had it in GGG's favor except that one female judge who was obviously watching a different fight, or must have been on drugs if she thought that Canelo won it by such a margin. I mean come on, you could give him a few round maybe 3-4, but he really didn't do too much in the other rounds. In any case, I am pretty sure that the doping testing procedures for this next fight will be massively improved again, so Canelo won't be able to get away with cheating.

GGG is getting a little old now however, Canelo is still young and fresh, it's going to be a brawl but I think GGG is just too much of a beast to be stopped. It will likely to go a points decision at the end, I'll be putting my money on UD for Golovkin, maybe a smaller amount on SD, but I really doubt there will be a KO/TKO or retirement from either side.

Edit: I think a 65:35 split is fair, given the robbery in the last fight, and juicing allegations.

Yep, and in addition, boxers now have been in some sort of careful match making. Gone are the days wherein champions would really clean out division. Now they boxing promoters are carefully and strategically match potential champions and hype the fight. They don't want to damage them because they are going to be the next face of boxing. The last boxer who have been milked by boxing promoter  is Mike Tyson and we all know that he'd been broke for many years, But imagine how much he generated during its peak and the only people who because rich is not Mike Tyson but his promoter Don King.

They have to make the second fight because the first one is a draw. That's why Gennady Golovkin used that leverage against Canelo Alvarez to get at least a good share on split. The first was also controversial because of the judges and sometimes we really don't know if those people are really watching the boxing match or at certain times the results are already fixed. I agree with you all that Golovkin won the first fight and he should do the same as well in this rematch.

@bisdak40, Yeah, Alvarez is like a diva right now, its because he is the cash cow of Golden Boy that's why he is very pampered. And imagine his suspension is just 6 months if I'm not mistaken. Others' who have been caught with the PEDS on their system because of the meat contamination was given harsher punishment.

Yeah I didn't even consider a second fight betweem these two especially with canelo's PED issue. With or without, I think golovkin is a class of his own compared to alvarez. I didn't expect how the first fight ended and that it was that contested but I don't think we'll gace the same result

Even if they will meet fives times, Canelo Alvarez have no chance of winning against GGG. Canelo Alvarez is a pampered fighter like Chavez jr in my own opinion. They select whom to fight and credit to their promoters.

Exactly, is becoming more of a business than a sport in some fights, GGG should have won the first one but a second fight would of generated more money.
It was a good fight, dont get me wrong, but hopefully the judges are better this time. I just dont want to see another GGG vs Canelo 3rd match.

I agree but the judges saw it a draw that's why there will be a second fight. They hit each other really hard but I also score the first fight for GGG although their some moment wherein Canelo will make a rally and will fire with 5-6 punch combination to the delight of the crowd.

Well boxing is a business, that Mayweather vs McGregor was a good example, real boxing fans knows its going to be a circus and just to make money for both of them.

Going back to the fight to Triple G vs Canelo, I still going to pick Triple G here, Canelo just cheated on their first fight with PEDS and I think he doesn't have that stamina to stay with Triple G for 12 rounds. I hope its going to be another classics fight.

both fighter show a very exciting game. two typical fighters who are quite aggressive. I'm sure if this is a fair fight. some people do support GGG but I do the opposite

The first fight was for GGG, I believe this next fight will be a little more of the same, GGG connecting his shots and making Canelo look bad, Canelo should be still cold from not fighting in a while and with all this news about his drug test I think this can affect him a bit more.
Box has been getting more about money and money, we saw this with the Mayweather vs McGregor fight, hopefully they dont make the same show like they did with this fight and I expect the match of the year in this round 2.

We can only speculate as to how much Canelo is really abusing PEDs in his boxing career. Maybe he was really doing it and suddenly caught up after their first time and made the "tainted meat in Mexico" as an excuse. Just like the first fight though, I'm still leaning towards GGG here, eventhough some yes he has aged already but power wise and chin not yet cracked will be a good advantage. Canelo is a slow starting and comfortable being the counter puncher in the first fight. If he does continue with the same strategy, GGG will not give him a chance to steal those championships round. I'm all for GGG again.

If Canelo was using steroids and will be randomly tested for PED's leading up to the fight, he could have issues with his body producing lower quantities of testosterone. The way this might be verified is, Canelo will develop a visible "dad bod". Using steroids causes the body to produce reduced testosterone. When athletes stop using steroids it can take time for their body to naturally begin producing (decreased quantities of...) testosterone again which manifests itself as their bodies visibly having a higher fat and lower muscle content(see: dad bod).

Steroid abuse can also decrease a fighters cardio via damaging their cardiovascular system. Unfortunately, we see more severe effects of this in many old school WWF/WWE pro wrestlers and some older MMA fighters who suffer heart failure.

It depends on whether Canelo used steroids, how many years did he use them for, what quantity / type of steroids were used. Would have to think GGG will be the favorite, unless Adelaide Byrd and some of the more biased Vegas judges are present. GGG's pace is hard to keep up with, even harder for someone who damaged their cardio abusing steroids, I would have to think.

Looks like the fight is finally happening:


https://www.boxingscene.com/loeffler-canelo-ggg-ii-much-bigger-due-controversy--129105

I also believed that it will be bigger than the first fight because of so much drama involved. Canelo testing positive and then GGG trash talking and then their is the issue of who should get the lion's share of the split.

Who you got this time?