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Theresa May would be prepared to go to war to protect Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher once did for the Falklands.War between Great Britain and EU countries for some rock on the sea,if that will happen than all kind of friendly relation between GB and EU will be destroyed,financial tornado becouse of London Citi,all financial institution will have leave Citi to make business in EU,normally btc price will sky rocket.even that kind of official comments from top GB politician is pure madness.Lets see markets in monday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon

No war is going to happen, it is nothing more than politics tough talk, while Gibraltar is an important piece of strategic land, the truth is no leader in their right mind will go to war for such a small piece of land with so little resources.

Never underestimate people's irrationality. Besides, how did it end up in England's hands anyway? Anyone with a large enough navy there can practically seal off the Mediterranean. Was definitely crucial to England's maritime power.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2017, 03:50:23 AM

Theresa May would be prepared to go to war to protect Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher once did for the Falklands.War between Great Britain and EU countries for some rock on the sea,if that will happen than all kind of friendly relation between GB and EU will be destroyed,financial tornado becouse of London Citi,all financial institution will have leave Citi to make business in EU,normally btc price will sky rocket.even that kind of official comments from top GB politician is pure madness.Lets see markets in monday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon

No war is going to happen, it is nothing more than politics tough talk, while Gibraltar is an important piece of strategic land, the truth is no leader in their right mind will go to war for such a small piece of land with so little resources.

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I guess that a major war amidst Europe would actually work against Argentina

If I got your point correct, of course. You seem to imply that when (if) a war starts in Europe in which GB is going to participate, it will lose all interest toward their overseas territories, right? And then Argentina could easily capture the Falklands, as you seem to assume. In reality, though, if anything such is going to happen, Britain will just nuke Argentina back into Stone Age without much ado, and it will quickly forget about the islands for the next few centuries (if not millenia)

If there is a major war in Europe, and the United Kingdom is one of the participating nations, then Argentina can easily get support from the other side. Suppose if the war is between the UK and Germany, then Argentina can strike a deal with Germany. In this deal, the Argentines will provide military help and food exports to Germany in exchange for the Germans providing air defense for Argentina

You must be kidding mate!

Do you think that Argentina becoming an ally of Germany will somehow save it from nuking? I guess that would actually make it into a primary target. GB will never nuke Germany, no matter how things are going to evolve (since that would most likely lead to an escalation up to a full-fledged exchange of nuclear strikes across the world). Instead, they will just nuke Argentina (Falklands or no Falklands), and no one will give a fuck about poor Argentina. Germany will most certainly seek help from Russia, and you can pretty soon expect Russian "peacekeepers" to be deployed near la Manche. And the war will be over in two weeks (with Putin declared as the emperor of a new Holy Roman Empire, from ocean to ocean). The US most likely won't interfere (as per usual in any serious skirmish)

Argentina is tens of thousands of km away from the Great Britain. And as far as I know, none of the British nuclear weapons are deployed near the Falklands. That means that, the UK doesn't have the capability of nuking Argentina.

You certainly don't know

They don't need their nuclear weapons to be deployed stationary anywhere near the Falklands since they have ballistic-missile submarines which can deliver a nuclear warhead right to the coast of Argentina itself (or elsewhere, for that matter). You should be well familiar with the accident which happened in February 2009 when two submarines collided in the Atlantic ocean

One of them was British nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine HMS Vanguard

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I guess that a major war amidst Europe would actually work against Argentina

If I got your point correct, of course. You seem to imply that when (if) a war starts in Europe in which GB is going to participate, it will lose all interest toward their overseas territories, right? And then Argentina could easily capture the Falklands, as you seem to assume. In reality, though, if anything such is going to happen, Britain will just nuke Argentina back into Stone Age without much ado, and it will quickly forget about the islands for the next few centuries (if not millenia)

If there is a major war in Europe, and the United Kingdom is one of the participating nations, then Argentina can easily get support from the other side. Suppose if the war is between the UK and Germany, then Argentina can strike a deal with Germany. In this deal, the Argentines will provide military help and food exports to Germany in exchange for the Germans providing air defense for Argentina

You must be kidding mate!

Do you think that Argentina becoming an ally of Germany will somehow save it from nuking? I guess that would actually make it into a primary target. GB will never nuke Germany, no matter how things are going to evolve (since that would most likely lead to an escalation up to a full-fledged exchange of nuclear strikes across the world). Instead, they will just nuke Argentina (Falklands or no Falklands), and no one will give a fuck about poor Argentina. Germany will most certainly seek help from Russia, and you can pretty soon expect Russian "peacekeepers" to be deployed near la Manche. And the war will be over in two weeks (with Putin declared as the emperor of a new Holy Roman Empire, from ocean to ocean). The US most likely won't interfere (as per usual in any serious skirmish)

Argentina is tens of thousands of km away from the Great Britain. And as far as I know, none of the British nuclear weapons are deployed near the Falklands. That means that, the UK doesn't have the capability of nuking Argentina.

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this is a subject that ain't even worth discussing. of course there won't be any war. at the very worst it'll be an even bigger pain in the ass crossing the border into spain. there's stuff like this everywhere that's been dragging on for centuries with no more than harsh words. look at morocco and ceuta/melilla. it's a slightly different situation in that morocco didn't even exist back then but broadly similar.

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War everywhere lately.
Is this the start of a world war coming into place with all these different first world countries starting their own little wars everywhere? Then cultivating into one huge one with Russia siding with Syria and US siding with UK against the Falkland island oppressor?

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The thing is there is simply no reason for Spain to bother going to war for something like Gibraltar. If Gibraltar had a lot more value behind it, then maybe I could see there being a Falklands-esque conflict occurring, but Spain doesn't have a lot of the navy, money or need to justify something like that. They have enough internal problems that having Gibraltar wouldn't really do anything to help them.

Bitcoin's value would likely go up in the event such a war did break out, but unless the EU or other countries wanted to escalate it there would be no issue.

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It won't be war, but the British will lose free access to other financial centers in Europe. Things will be more expensive if you think that economic barriers will arise. This is an opportunity to crypto community to deliver solutions to make financial transactions cheaper between UK and EU and, more important, for its citizens.

That's profound and I couldn't agree more but even if they go to war or not we need to address the issues surrounding Bitcoin to make it a better cryptocurrency for all of us. Low transaction fees and quicker confirmations should be a top priority irrespective of whether they end up going to war or not?

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Never going to happen. The people of Gibraltar want to live in the UK. Who in their right mind would try to fight with Britain?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 03, 2017, 10:52:24 PM

I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

That "tiny piece of rock" guards the entrance to the Med - it was vital in WW2.

Besides the Gibraltans don't want to be Spanish - they are rich and happy being Brits.

I don't think it will come to war - Britain has lots of ways to make Spain back down. Spain depends on British tourists (17 million a year), plus selling agricultural produce to us. We could cripple them just with some sanctions.

GB sanction against any EU country will cause whole EU countrys sanctions against GB,it will be like war.GB is in Europe and both EU need to find agreements similar like EU has with Norway and Switzerland.Some politicians needs to learn diplomacy and shut up.Spain is even against Scotland membership in EU.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 07, 2017, 12:02:01 AM

I guess that a major war amidst Europe would actually work against Argentina

If I got your point correct, of course. You seem to imply that when (if) a war starts in Europe in which GB is going to participate, it will lose all interest toward their overseas territories, right? And then Argentina could easily capture the Falklands, as you seem to assume. In reality, though, if anything such is going to happen, Britain will just nuke Argentina back into Stone Age without much ado, and it will quickly forget about the islands for the next few centuries (if not millenia)

If there is a major war in Europe, and the United Kingdom is one of the participating nations, then Argentina can easily get support from the other side. Suppose if the war is between the UK and Germany, then Argentina can strike a deal with Germany. In this deal, the Argentines will provide military help and food exports to Germany in exchange for the Germans providing air defense for Argentina

You must be kidding mate!

Do you think that Argentina becoming an ally of Germany will somehow save it from nuking? I guess that would actually make it into a primary target. GB will never nuke Germany, no matter how things are going to evolve (since that would most likely lead to an escalation up to a full-fledged exchange of nuclear strikes across the world). Instead, they will just nuke Argentina (Falklands or no Falklands), and no one will give a fuck about poor Argentina. Germany will most certainly seek help from Russia, and you can pretty soon expect Russian "peacekeepers" to be deployed near la Manche. And the war will be over in two weeks (with Putin declared as the emperor of a new Holy Roman Empire, from ocean to ocean). The US most likely won't interfere (as per usual in any serious skirmish)

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Quote from: stompix on April 06, 2017, 07:39:03 AM

I guess that a major war amidst Europe would actually work against Argentina

If I got your point correct, of course. You seem to imply that when (if) a war starts in Europe in which GB is going to participate, it will lose all interest toward their overseas territories, right? And then Argentina could easily capture the Falklands, as you seem to assume. In reality, though, if anything such is going to happen, Britain will just nuke Argentina back into Stone Age without much ado, and it will quickly forget about the islands for the next few centuries (if not millenia)

If there is a major war in Europe, and the United Kingdom is one of the participating nations, then Argentina can easily get support from the other side. Suppose if the war is between the UK and Germany, then Argentina can strike a deal with Germany. In this deal, the Argentines will provide military help and food exports to Germany in exchange for the Germans providing air defense for Argentina.

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Great Britain (which is not so great anymore) and its government as well as its people can not afford a real war. All of these are just words...playing with words and making threat via the power of words. I am sure that Putin is just smiling at those words because the man knows how to make those words into actions...

I am predicting that a time is coming when Britain has to let go of that important holding called The Rock. It will then returned to its historical owner as Britain will again slowly shrink and just become a bit player in the international area...this is the same trend happening now in USA as all empire will eventually die and just become a footnote in history.

Russia, China, Iran and Germany (being EU leader) will scramble to replace USA and Britain in international leadership. And all of these nations can't be trusted to respect democracy, human rights and acceptable historical understanding.

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if war happens in gibraltar possibility bitcoin prices will be raised up, because it uses cryptography cryptocurency character so many people who secured the money in bitcoin and away from unieropa and English, but still have a high risk for bitcoin exchange rate that can change direction quickly. if war happens it will hamper the development of the euro and pound, while the USD will have a very good value. or the possibility of the Europeans will change their local currency into USD with a bitcoin? , No one knows correctly what is happening on the battlefield.

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As the proverb goes, come and take it

Geography starts playing a role when all other roles have been played off and it becomes impossible to defend some area militarily. But GB proved that it can defend it. If they couldn't they would likely try to save the face by pretending that the Falklands are too far from the motherland and they are not worth a penny. Right now it is Argentina who is in a position like this. Really, what prevents them from taking these wretched islands with force if they are so close while Britain is so far?

It seems to me that at this point of time Argentina is not that interested in forcibly asserting its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The Argentine economy is not doing that great. But there is another important factor as well. The military strength of the UK is going down with every passing year. The Argentines may be waiting for the UK to become really weak, before they could wage a war against them

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by

Though I don't think that the military machine of GB has completely rusted down, at least, not full yet. The Argentinians may have to wait too long till GB becomes weak enough to give the Falklands back to Argentina. It took almost 5 centuries till last Roman legion left Britain itself. But if it is ever going to that, the British may just sell the islands to some entity or country more powerful than themselves if they don't want to go through the humiliation of voluntary returning the islands to Argentina and still less suffer the consequences of military defeat

It's going to be a long long waiting game.
It might happen that the entire river will either change it's course or go dry.
History repeats itself but not always.

How long since the last war between countries in Western Europe?
We are right now in the longest peace period between the major powers in Europe since the dark ages..

I guess that a major war amidst Europe would actually work against Argentina

If I got your point correct, of course. You seem to imply that when (if) a war starts in Europe in which GB is going to participate, it will lose all interest toward their overseas territories, right? And then Argentina could easily capture the Falklands, as you seem to assume. In reality, though, if anything such is going to happen, Britain will just nuke Argentina back into Stone Age without much ado, and it will quickly forget about the islands for the next few centuries (if not millenia)

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As the proverb goes, come and take it

Geography starts playing a role when all other roles have been played off and it becomes impossible to defend some area militarily. But GB proved that it can defend it. If they couldn't they would likely try to save the face by pretending that the Falklands are too far from the motherland and they are not worth a penny. Right now it is Argentina who is in a position like this. Really, what prevents them from taking these wretched islands with force if they are so close while Britain is so far?

It seems to me that at this point of time Argentina is not that interested in forcibly asserting its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The Argentine economy is not doing that great. But there is another important factor as well. The military strength of the UK is going down with every passing year. The Argentines may be waiting for the UK to become really weak, before they could wage a war against them

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by

Though I don't think that the military machine of GB has completely rusted down, at least, not full yet. The Argentinians may have to wait too long till GB becomes weak enough to give the Falklands back to Argentina. It took almost 5 centuries till last Roman legion left Britain itself. But if it is ever going to that, the British may just sell the islands to some entity or country more powerful than themselves if they don't want to go through the humiliation of voluntary returning the islands to Argentina and still less suffer the consequences of military defeat

It's going to be a long long waiting game.
It might happen that the entire river will either change it's course or go dry.
History repeats itself but not always.

How long since the last war between countries in Western Europe?
We are right now in the longest peace period between the major powers in Europe since the dark ages..

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 05, 2017, 10:45:33 AM

As the proverb goes, come and take it

Geography starts playing a role when all other roles have been played off and it becomes impossible to defend some area militarily. But GB proved that it can defend it. If they couldn't they would likely try to save the face by pretending that the Falklands are too far from the motherland and they are not worth a penny. Right now it is Argentina who is in a position like this. Really, what prevents them from taking these wretched islands with force if they are so close while Britain is so far?

It seems to me that at this point of time Argentina is not that interested in forcibly asserting its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The Argentine economy is not doing that great. But there is another important factor as well. The military strength of the UK is going down with every passing year. The Argentines may be waiting for the UK to become really weak, before they could wage a war against them

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by

Though I don't think that the military machine of GB has completely rusted down, at least, not full yet. The Argentinians may have to wait too long till GB becomes weak enough to give the Falklands back to Argentina. It took almost 5 centuries till last Roman legion left Britain itself. But if it is ever going to that, the British may just sell the islands to some entity or country more powerful than themselves if they don't want to go through the humiliation of voluntary returning the islands to Argentina and still less suffer the consequences of military defeat

The last part of your post is definitely an attractive option for the Brits. Remember the sale of Diego Garcia (located in the Chagos Archipelago, previously part of the British Indian Ocean Territory) to the Americans? The same can happen with the Falklands.

There were quite a few such cases in history

Personally, I can recall at least two similar events when nations had to sell their overseas lands to a potential invader being unable to defend these lands. France sold Louisiana in the early 19th century to the US after Napoleon troops suffered a defeat from a rebellion leader Toussaint Louverture. And in the mid 19th century Russia sold Alaska again to the US. It is asserted that it had to sell this territory because it would be hard to defend if the US (or Britain) tried to annex the area by force. Nevertheless, it is a common sentiment between Russians that Alaska should be returned to Russia (together with California)

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 05, 2017, 10:45:33 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 05, 2017, 10:45:33 AM

As the proverb goes, come and take it

Geography starts playing a role when all other roles have been played off and it becomes impossible to defend some area militarily. But GB proved that it can defend it. If they couldn't they would likely try to save the face by pretending that the Falklands are too far from the motherland and they are not worth a penny. Right now it is Argentina who is in a position like this. Really, what prevents them from taking these wretched islands with force if they are so close while Britain is so far?

It seems to me that at this point of time Argentina is not that interested in forcibly asserting its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The Argentine economy is not doing that great. But there is another important factor as well. The military strength of the UK is going down with every passing year. The Argentines may be waiting for the UK to become really weak, before they could wage a war against them

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by

Though I don't think that the military machine of GB has completely rusted down, at least, not full yet. The Argentinians may have to wait too long till GB becomes weak enough to give the Falklands back to Argentina. It took almost 5 centuries till last Roman legion left Britain itself. But if it is ever going to that, the British may just sell the islands to some entity or country more powerful than themselves if they don't want to go through the humiliation of voluntary returning the islands to Argentina and still less suffer the consequences of military defeat

The last part of your post is definitely an attractive option for the Brits. Remember the sale of Diego Garcia (located in the Chagos Archipelago, previously part of the British Indian Ocean Territory) to the Americans? The same can happen with the Falklands.

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As the proverb goes, come and take it

Geography starts playing a role when all other roles have been played off and it becomes impossible to defend some area militarily. But GB proved that it can defend it. If they couldn't they would likely try to save the face by pretending that the Falklands are too far from the motherland and they are not worth a penny. Right now it is Argentina who is in a position like this. Really, what prevents them from taking these wretched islands with force if they are so close while Britain is so far?

It seems to me that at this point of time Argentina is not that interested in forcibly asserting its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The Argentine economy is not doing that great. But there is another important factor as well. The military strength of the UK is going down with every passing year. The Argentines may be waiting for the UK to become really weak, before they could wage a war against them

If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by

Though I don't think that the military machine of GB has completely rusted down, at least, not full yet. The Argentinians may have to wait too long till GB becomes weak enough to give the Falklands back to Argentina. It took almost 5 centuries till last Roman legion left Britain itself. But if it is ever going to that, the British may just sell the islands to some entity or country more powerful than themselves if they don't want to go through the humiliation of voluntary returning the islands to Argentina and still less suffer the consequences of military defeat

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 03, 2017, 10:52:24 PM

As the proverb goes, come and take it

Geography starts playing a role when all other roles have been played off and it becomes impossible to defend some area militarily. But GB proved that it can defend it. If they couldn't they would likely try to save the face by pretending that the Falklands are too far from the motherland and they are not worth a penny. Right now it is Argentina who is in a position like this. Really, what prevents them from taking these wretched islands with force if they are so close while Britain is so far?

It seems to me that at this point of time Argentina is not that interested in forcibly asserting its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. The Argentine economy is not doing that great. But there is another important factor as well. The military strength of the UK is going down with every passing year. The Argentines may be waiting for the UK to become really weak, before they could wage a war against them.

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It won't be war, but the British will lose free access to other financial centers in Europe. Things will be more expensive if you think that economic barriers will arise. This is an opportunity to crypto community to deliver solutions to make financial transactions cheaper between UK and EU and, more important, for its citizens.

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I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

That "tiny piece of rock" guards the entrance to the Med - it was vital in WW2.

Besides the Gibraltans don't want to be Spanish - they are rich and happy being Brits.

I don't think it will come to war - Britain has lots of ways to make Spain back down. Spain depends on British tourists (17 million a year), plus selling agricultural produce to us. We could cripple them just with some sanctions.

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I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

In fact, that's what we are led to believe

But if we are to cut all the crap, Kim Jong Un hasn't yet started any war during his reign to give any legitimacy to such claims. It is a war-mongering rhetoric on his side mostly, but, as the proverb goes, the barking dog does not bite. On the other hand, this queen (I refer to Elizabeth II) already has blood on her hands. GB has participated in a war over the Falkland Islands a few decades ago, so, as another proverb has it, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black

Geographically, neither Falklands nor Gibraltar should be a part of the Great Britain. Falklands should be returned to Argentina, and the Brits should evacuate the 2,000 or so colonizers there. Similarly, Gibraltar should be placed in a joint administration, or merged with Spain

As the proverb goes, come and take it

Geography starts playing a role when all other roles have been played off and it becomes impossible to defend some area militarily. But GB proved that it can defend it. If they couldn't they would likely try to save the face by pretending that the Falklands are too far from the motherland and they are not worth a penny. Right now it is Argentina who is in a position like this. Really, what prevents them from taking these wretched islands with force if they are so close while Britain is so far?

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Quote from: Mometaskers on April 05, 2017, 04:30:08 AM

I don't think UK would want war at this point, especially for a small territory, however strategic the location is. Imagine how much trouble it would be when a NATO member attack another member. What would the other members do anyway?

The split with EU has revealed disunity in the UK, with some parts wanting to remain in the Union. Even within parts that is not likely to secede, support for Brexit is not full, imagine the people's reaction when their gov't go to war for a territory that wanted to stay in.

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NATO won't lift a finger.
NATO is meant as an organisation that deals with external threats.

That's why both Greece and Turkey became NATO members, to calm the waters.

In case of Gibraltar rumors those are pure rumors and stupid declarations made by stupid people.
A war will not happen in Europe and certainly not between Spain and the UK.

Also, unlike the Falklands, Gibraltar voted for the EU , so you won't be able to defend somebody if he doesn't want that.

And if somebody is stupid enough to believe that this "war" would be good for bitcoin he should really have a check.

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Quote from: deisik on April 05, 2017, 04:38:32 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 03, 2017, 10:52:24 PM

I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

In fact, that's what we are led to believe

But if we are to cut all the crap, Kim Jong Un hasn't yet started any war during his reign to give any legitimacy to such claims. It is a war-mongering rhetoric on his side mostly, but, as the proverb goes, the barking dog does not bite. On the other hand, this queen (I refer to Elizabeth II) already has blood on her hands. GB has participated in a war over the Falkland Islands a few decades ago, so, as another proverb has it, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black

Geographically, neither Falklands nor Gibraltar should be a part of the Great Britain. Falklands should be returned to Argentina, and the Brits should evacuate the 2,000 or so colonizers there. Similarly, Gibraltar should be placed in a joint administration, or merged with Spain.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 03, 2017, 10:52:24 PM

I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

In fact, that's what we are led to believe

But if we are to cut all the crap, Kim Jong Un hasn't yet started any war during his reign to give any legitimacy to such claims. It is a war-mongering rhetoric on his side mostly, but, as the proverb goes, the barking dog does not bite. On the other hand, this queen (I refer to Elizabeth II) already has blood on her hands. GB has participated in a war over the Falkland Islands a few decades ago, so, as another proverb has it, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black

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I don't think UK would want war at this point, especially for a small territory, however strategic the location is. Imagine how much trouble it would be when a NATO member attack another member. What would the other members do anyway?

The split with EU has revealed disunity in the UK, with some parts wanting to remain in the Union. Even within parts that is not likely to secede, support for Brexit is not full, imagine the people's reaction when their gov't go to war for a territory that wanted to stay in.

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I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

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Quote from: coolcoinz on April 04, 2017, 12:51:26 PM

EU knows how to handle things through threats and bribes, so they will find a way to talk out of this. Also, a war between GB and EU would end up in devastation of British forces. It would be like a fight between a cat and a dog. While the cat can bite and scratch, the fight is lost the moment they sink their teeth in each other. The dog is bigger and has longer teeth.
We can speculate how the war might look, but there won't be one. Both sides are not doing great economically and a war would only worsen their condition

i don't believe in such a war either

Though I disagree on both GB necessarily losing and a dog overwhelming a cat. Cats are different and come in all colors and sizes. For example, leopards habitually kill dogs of comparable or even greater sizes than themselves. You may want to see a video on youtube how fast a jaguar kills a Central Asian shepherd dog which is almost twice its size. Regarding GB versus Europe specifically, there might be some minor clashes, but a full-fledged war is unlikely

There just won't be enough people willing to fight because of crappy politics

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EU knows how to handle things through threats and bribes, so they will find a way to talk out of this. Also, a war between GB and EU would end up in devastation of British forces. It would be like a fight between a cat and a dog. While the cat can bite and scratch, the fight is lost the moment they sink their teeth in each other. The dog is bigger and has longer teeth.
We can speculate how the war might look, but there won't be one. Both sides are not doing great economically and a war would only worsen their condition.

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Looks like to send Navy to protect GB citzens it was private thoughts of just one politician,protect from who from 7 thousend spanish living there.GB get very good proposal from Spain but thay reject it.GB want to protect not citzens but all that offshores banks and bookies companys,but if GB will not find agreements with EU than GB will lost London Citi,it will cause huge problem for GB economy and big chaos in financial world.Goldman is already moving his business from London to Paris

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35 years ago Thatcher sent army in the Falklands islands to the other side of the Atlantic ocean. Now the Britain will engage war with Spain which until yesterday was at the same table of the European Union? It makes a great impression to me but Britain should understand that things not only in Europe have changed. Now they have the problem of Scotland's independence. Do they like to stay alone all over the world? But who really knows?

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 02, 2017, 11:13:41 AM

The UK wouldn't have to go to war, if Spain wouldn't lay a claim on Gibraltar.

War is probably the quickest way to get out of EU :O I'm pretty sure that won't happen though, it's just some tough language to show power. Or an April fools joke.

I doubt that any government would have joked about such an important, and serious thing.
Also, i have to agree that war would be the fastest way possible to get out of EU, but I really have to admit, that I cannot imagine United Kingdom of Britain would start a war freshly after leaving EU- just because they want to keep Gibraltar for themselves.

Everything is possible anyway, I hope that we don't have to be worried about any war coming.
The vision of another war terrifies me I have to say, because I cannot imagine more cruelty than during WW2, but im afraid that might happen.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on April 03, 2017, 06:45:08 AM

War is expensive, I don't know if any nation can afford it.

It doesn't need to be that expensive. We'll just send a guy in a dinghy to go and shoot anybody that doubts Gibraltar.

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Quote from: Snorek on April 03, 2017, 08:42:20 AM

Theresa May would be prepared to go to war to protect Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher once did for the Falklands.War between Great Britain and EU countries for some rock on the sea,if that will happen than all kind of friendly relation between GB and EU will be destroyed,financial tornado becouse of London Citi,all financial institution will have leave Citi to make business in EU,normally btc price will sky rocket.even that kind of official comments from top GB politician is pure madness.Lets see markets in monday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon

Geopolitics doesnt work the same way, it worked back in 18th century. Especially since thanks to globalization, Hernandez in Spain, you, your mother and your cat are all owned by bankers and politicians who know each other very well. Fuck the same pool of whores and snort coke from the same table.

Also EU is not Spains project, it is effectively governed by Germany and unelected power elite in Brussels.

If there will be another war for the precious rock, it will be because of Arab colonizers, not because some deal is being replaced by another. Stop being autistic.

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There won't be war. The cons of starting military conflict definitely outweigh the pros.
I would understand if that was some economically important piece of land, rich with natural resources but it is piece of solid rock!
Gibraltar, a piece of land less than 3 square mile and home to about 30,000 people, definitely not worth to fight for.

This piece of rock controls the strait

Therefore, its importance far exceeds its area. Basically, it controls the narrow (something like 8 miles) entrance and exit to the Mediterranean Sea. As per Wikipedia, the strait "remains strategically important so to this day with half the world's seaborne trade" passing through it. Unsurprisingly, the UK is so concerned with it and keeping their control over it. For example, Russia since 18th century tried to capture the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits (presently under the Turkish jurisdiction) which control the ways in and out of the Black Sea

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I don't think any country presently can afford to go into any silly war, but there are alot of proxy war that can be initiate the way Russia goes about things an the sanctions that follow, what can happen will be that EU will frustrate their negotiation on Brexit

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I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

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War favours no one at this point in time. There's always some diplomatic angle to resolve the matter. Theresa May should understand that there are different ways to achieve same goal.

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