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May 14, 2013, 06:21:08 AM
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What the holy heck? First of all, nearly everything is tainted with narcotics and fecal matter. You know those handle bars on the metro? You touch that then you come in contact with whatever the person before you came in contact. The denser the city, the more stuff was in contact with. Also, tainted does not mean visible to the naked eye traces, it means having a minimum quantity which is delectable by current equipment, which is very very little.
My point is you have one less reason to wear gloves.

Oil is currently a fantastic storage of energy, we don't (I think) anything which comes close to oil, except possibly nuclear, not to mention its many other uses such as for plastic, lubrication, and medical. Don't like oil? Use more mass transit instead of your own vehicle and stop purchasing so many plastics. Also, use less energy because most energy is generated from coal plants because coal and oil are very closely tied together since they *gasp* come from the same thing!
I'm not against using oil. I'm against going to war over it using borrowed money.

52% of a countries budget? I assume you are referring to the USA, which uses only 19% of the budget. And a massive amount of that money is spent not on actual warfare but instead places like Darpa and their Big Dog, further research on nuclear power for submarines and aircraft carriers, further research into extremely high end aviation stuff. Not to mention the huge amount of money they invest into their engineers and educating them, such as offering free tuition for people who wish to work for the military as a Nuclear tech.

Costs of war when you have a standing military are debatable. In the US, much of the military budget is not included in the 2 year appropriations. It simply becomes debt.

If you don't like the way your current government handles wars, then why did you vote them in? Voting for someone else is far easier than attempting to change the currency of the country. Don't like either the Democratic Party and Obama or the Republican party and Romney? Then vote for a third party, or even better, vote in the primaries to chance the candidate for the party!
Voting ended in the US in 2000 with electronic voting machines. They are not auditable.

If we get rid of money printing presses, then kings or parliaments that want to commit these atrocities must ask their subjects to donate their savings to do so. A nation willing to commit atrocities wholeheartedly is easier to deal with by the world courts. Maybe there are alternatives to bloodshed.

What? If you are referring to the world courts, we already have them in a meh state, known as the UN. Also, what do you think taxes is? Bitcoin is a form of a currency, just like a USD, when you do taxes then the governments ask for tax money from you. If you do not give it to them, you go to prison for tax evasion or something like that. With bitcoin it would be exactly the same, the government calculates your tax rate and asks you to pay them. If you don't, you go to prison by force. There would be no difference.

Dear god the tinfoil hatness here is insane at times.
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Many world courts condemn policies and actions, but are powerless to enforce them because some institutions are too big to fail and are protected by the banks by being given (literally) thousands of tonnes of free money printed off their presses. That much money can buy a lot of corruption.
I agree with you about taxes. We should pay whatever our masters tell us to.
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What the holy heck? First of all, nearly everything is tainted with narcotics and fecal matter. You know those handle bars on the metro? You touch that then you come in contact with whatever the person before you came in contact. The denser the city, the more stuff was in contact with. Also, tainted does not mean visible to the naked eye traces, it means having a minimum quantity which is delectable by current equipment, which is very very little.

Oil is currently a fantastic storage of energy, we don't (I think) anything which comes close to oil, except possibly nuclear, not to mention its many other uses such as for plastic, lubrication, and medical. Don't like oil? Use more mass transit instead of your own vehicle and stop purchasing so many plastics. Also, use less energy because most energy is generated from coal plants because coal and oil are very closely tied together since they *gasp* come from the same thing!

52% of a countries budget? I assume you are referring to the USA, which uses only 19% of the budget. And a massive amount of that money is spent not on actual warfare but instead places like Darpa and their Big Dog, further research on nuclear power for submarines and aircraft carriers, further research into extremely high end aviation stuff. Not to mention the huge amount of money they invest into their engineers and educating them, such as offering free tuition for people who wish to work for the military as a Nuclear tech.

If you don't like the way your current government handles wars, then why did you vote them in? Voting for someone else is far easier than attempting to change the currency of the country. Don't like either the Democratic Party and Obama or the Republican party and Romney? Then vote for a third party, or even better, vote in the primaries to chance the candidate for the party!

If we get rid of money printing presses, then kings or parliaments that want to commit these atrocities must ask their subjects to donate their savings to do so. A nation willing to commit atrocities wholeheartedly is easier to deal with by the world courts. Maybe there are alternatives to bloodshed.

What? If you are referring to the world courts, we already have them in a meh state, known as the UN. Also, what do you think taxes is? Bitcoin is a form of a currency, just like a USD, when you do taxes then the governments ask for tax money from you. If you do not give it to them, you go to prison for tax evasion or something like that. With bitcoin it would be exactly the same, the government calculates your tax rate and asks you to pay them. If you don't, you go to prison by force. There would be no difference.

Dear god the tinfoil hatness here is insane at times.
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Bitcoin can't solve military oppression.
Bitcoin can't create military oppression either.


Regarding P2P currencies and military oppression - I think we'll all agree that it's far easier to engage in military oppression when you have the ability to print the money that you use to pay for it.

In a world of sound money, 52% of a nation's budget spent on killing poor brown people in oil-producing nations would be much, much more difficult.

Authorities will still tax citizens in some currency. Then the taxes will be used to kill. It's unavoidable without forming a new governmental system that works without murder. That's hard to do.
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Bitcoin can't solve military oppression.
Bitcoin can't create military oppression either.


Regarding P2P currencies and military oppression - I think we'll all agree that it's far easier to engage in military oppression when you have the ability to print the money that you use to pay for it.

In a world of sound money, 52% of a nation's budget spent on killing poor brown people in oil-producing nations would be much, much more difficult.
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That's just it no one is forcing anyone to use Bitcoins
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
Bitcoin can't solve military oppression.
Bitcoin can't create military oppression either.

That's true. Banks can definitely do that.
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Bitcoin can't solve military oppression.
Bitcoin can't create military oppression either.
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I can't believe the "blood for oil" thing is coming up again! I wonder how many protesters against oil companies ride a bike everywhere they need to go or light their homes with candles. I agree we need a new source of fuel before it runs out but there are always military actions when necessary commodities are in shortage. Bitcoin can't solve military oppression.
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blood for oil

While I whole-hearted agree with the atrocities that are being committed to secure oil, unfortunately bitcoin does not solve this problem.

Energy is the absolute life-blood of an economy in fact our very lives.  If the whole world converted to bitcoin tomorrow we would still live in a blood for oil world unless we were willing to accept the tremendous pain of converting off of fossil fuels.


There will not be a need to occupy foreign countries to create artificial demand for inflated Bitcoins.
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From blood for oil to blood for rare earth.
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blood for oil

While I whole-hearted agree with the atrocities that are being committed to secure oil, unfortunately bitcoin does not solve this problem.

Energy is the absolute life-blood of an economy in fact our very lives.  If the whole world converted to bitcoin tomorrow we would still live in a blood for oil world unless we were willing to accept the tremendous pain of converting off of fossil fuels.
If we get rid of money printing presses, then kings or parliaments that want to commit these atrocities must ask their subjects to donate their savings to do so. A nation willing to commit atrocities wholeheartedly is easier to deal with by the world courts. Maybe there are alternatives to bloodshed.
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blood for oil

While I whole-hearted agree with the atrocities that are being committed to secure oil, unfortunately bitcoin does not solve this problem.

Energy is the absolute life-blood of an economy in fact our very lives.  If the whole world converted to bitcoin tomorrow we would still live in a blood for oil world unless we were willing to accept the tremendous pain of converting off of fossil fuels.

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Sure, bitcoins can be used for "dirty deeds done dirt cheap," but when they come out of the virtual laundry, they smell April fresh and free of taint. They may still have a lascivious history

Just like a scammer wrapping himself in a fresh new account. Aaaah, so clean.
There is a fine line between a scammer and a criminal. Bitcoin's cryptographical magic can help protect you from the latter. This forum can innoculate you from the former.
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Sure, bitcoins can be used for "dirty deeds done dirt cheap," but when they come out of the virtual laundry, they smell April fresh and free of taint. They may still have a lascivious history

Just like a scammer wrapping himself in a fresh new account. Aaaah, so clean.
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I personally, can't wait for "The Bitcoin Machine" to be released into the wild. The scanner will need to be of the highest quality in order to read the crap that goes into them. Have you looked at money these days? Every other bill has writing on it. Worse, they have traces of narcotics, bodily fluids, and the taint of corruption that printed them.

Sure, bitcoins can be used for "dirty deeds done dirt cheap," but when they come out of the virtual laundry, they smell April fresh and free of taint. They may still have a lascivious history, but at least they are not used to exchange blood for oil. I won't say if or what I may have written on such foul notes in the past, but can only hope that when I put these federal reserve notes ito "The Bitcoin Machine," they will find their final resting place within the bowels of the beast from which they spewed. Hopefully that scanner will forgive some final thoughts that find their way onto these filthy scrips of debt.

With any luck, those bills won't be replaced much longer.
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