Topic: Gold is the new gold... or the old gold... or both (Read 325 times)

The problem is not with the bitcoin actually, the problem started when peeps around the world made it into fortune making machine by adopting it as institutional investment and brokerage based asset. As soon as they added it in the whole forex criteria we thought its gonna be good for the crypto space but we forget one thing, bitcoin actually got screwed as normal asset though practically it was supposed to be "decentralised" asset. But indirectly it got stitched to those institutes and broker firms. Peeps there might not be full crypto traders, they could be just sipping the honey kinda peeps who will sell when they will react to the global news.

Thats what happening. Its no store value, correct, lets not cry about it, we let it go that way over the period of time.

Basically gold and Bitcoin are different, I think nowadays almost everyone understands that,
when talking about will Bitcoin last another 10 years, I personally think it most likely can because at the beginning of the emergence of Bitcoin we did not expect that it would last this long and the price continued to increase,
apart from that we all do not know and maybe in the future cryptocurrency will continue to grow

Few things that can be considered when we think about bitcoins as a whole :

1. Freedom of digital movement at any time
2. Much more profits on short term holding
3. Trading made relatively simple
4. Unbiased and nearly untouched by the governmental assets
5. No waiting time while selling when you are trading digitally ( digital gold) on certain platforms as well

I understand the bitcoins fell but do you really think it's not gonna rise ? I do think that comparison is futile but Bitcoin is the one that have helped me escape this war and it's the one that's paying me through every thick and thin. I would certainly consider bitcoins more profitable over gold.

Since I know bitcoin about 10 years ago the sentence to say bitcoin is digital gold I often hear, of course we can't compare gold and bitcoin because it will be very different, the thing that always makes me curious is whether bitcoin can last at least another 10 years? while gold was received thousands of years ago and of course it will be accepted for thousands of years.

But what were you really expecting from bitcoin?

The current price of Bitcoin now, which is around $40,000, is more than what it has been before 2021. So, isn’t that a good progress so far?

You know that there is no way that the price of Bitcoin would keep on increasing on a steady, there will always be time like this when there is a correction and the market is bearish.

It is not normal for a market to always be bullish, there will always come a time that it will take a break and it will go to a lower price and become stable at that. But, it is not going to be permanent, after some few years there's also going to be another Bull run in the market.

The both of them are really good investment, in fact I would advise anyone to also invest in gold. Gold has been one of the best investment that anyone can make for years now. Before I got to know about Bitcoin I once invested in gold, and it was really worth it.

Although I decided to choose Bitcoin over gold, because Bitcoin is more easier for me to access, and it doesn’t really need any intermediaries, is just straight to the point, and also you are more likely to get bigger profits from investing in Bitcoin than you would in gold. But the both of them are really good, and they would make you profit if you are to invest in any of them.

Gold has always been, is and will be one of the most valuable metals, as it has been for many millennia. The cynical invasion of Ukraine by eight Russian armies on February 24 shocked many. Traditionally, the price of gold has jumped, but cryptocurrencies have fallen, but now they have almost recovered. Almost the same impact on the cryptocurrency occurred as it was with the official announcement of the coronavirus pandemic.
But I don't think bitcoin will ever go up in value to $1 million. Even if he has such an opportunity, it is naive to think that states will allow this.

Both do have a high value and the most obvious is that for gold itself it is an offline asset which has a tangible physical form,
while for Bitcoin it is better known as an online asset which does not have a physical form,
what is certain between Bitcoin and gold are both profitable investments

Theres a difference from the base value, the yield given to holders and then the market value which reflects liquidity.   Russian stocks for example will crash as the ability to trade them freely is restricted but the base value to Russian oil and gas reserves still remains in that ownership   The yield will depend on the companies ability to retail and Russia does still sell oil and gas daily.
 Gold has no yield, it has no counterparty risk or ability to suspend its trading centrally and its global not subject to national governments.   In times of war gold is exchanged for goods, its always been that way.
  BItcoin has some fractional trading as its quoted on FIAT markets alongside all assets (even gold has this leverage) so is subject to reversal when liquidity retracts, thats the initial reaction but we've also seen it rise from speculation it will be used outside of the dollar system.

Yeah few days back we saw the actual gold prices rising suddenly amid the war crisis while the bitcoin was paving it's way to rise but failed and started to dump again but what after that? How many people were able to use gold in these war times which they called safe heaven? The majority started using crypto especially bitcoin as banks in both countries poses restrictions on fiat uses and Russia even blocked the accounts of people depriving them of their own money.At this time only helping hand to common man was bitcoin which was their last hope and their own funds.

The prices start to rise once again and stood at $43k down to $39k at this time but gold market also saw Major downfall but the thing is nobody will talk about it in the same way they declare btc dead with each crash or dip but soon the world will recognise the true importance of it.

Few days back only there was conversation about this gold topic in WO thread and here is one post from the same :


You see how much it was dumped after that because at the time of urgency there is no market to take your gold as everything is being destroyed but bitcoin could easily help you out.It can't stop war but it can help you survive whereas gold is becoming more of commodity giving no return and bitcoin is store of value steadily rising and can be used as monetary tool also.

So does it mean now bitcoin is also nothing more but the stocks and shares that we used to trade in the real world market. I am definitely more into bitcoin these days than I was into buying shares of company or even trying out mutual funds, SIP's. The reason for me was bitcoin's independent nature from the real world. I mean yes its volatile, crazy ups and down but it was something to trade with when you are into swing or day trade. If it starts to follow the patterns of share market, then thats gonna be end of fun ride isnt it?

Over the period, big fortune 500 would be comparable with the bitcoin or other coins for example. So its like brokers will jump in, and institutional investors would be one of the leaders in the market for same thing.

Bitcoin has to be independent. It must be that way so that we can escape the shares and stocks when they are bleeding out. But not the other way around.

It's somewhat predictable that this was going to happen with cryptocurrencies. Gold has been a store of value for decades, if not centuries and that is because it has a fairly predictable limited supply. It is used by people in many countries to offer protection and stability against any volatility within their local currencies, which it has been able to do relatively well for a long time. There have been large swings in the price of gold but the historical trend has always been drifting upwards - it has jewelry and industrial usages. Contrast that with cryptocurrency which has only been around for about 14 years and there is bound to be some jittery behavior in periods where the markets are facing huge volatility.

It bothers those who get in the wrong price/time. Their own lack of research on past prices is the blamed for that. But these people make the maximum noise in social media.

No asset is ever a safe haven. This is a temporary bubble phrase. Each has its own risks and benefits, depending on which one must make the choice of whether they want to allocate a part of their portfolio. Regulation of bitcoin is still not clear how it will happen, therefore instead of thinking what will happen, take action now and stock up on bitcoin at lower price. I am optimistic about regulation and I know it will be for the better only.

I myself until now assume that bitcoin will not be able to become gold now and forever because seeing the growth and increase in the value of gold tends to be more stable and safer
while bitcoin is not like that and is more risky but I believe owning and storing bitcoins will provide benefits and the level of security is more reliable in our hands

I still believe that bitcoin will one day be digital gold in a sense that it will be a safe haven asset, but it might take us a decade or two to get there. It needs to be regulated in most countries, because regulatory uncertainty is a major factor for viewing bitcoin as a risk asset.

For now it can be yes as an answer, why is because:
Bitcoin is still the first and leading cryptocurrency so far we had and maintain that,

You can also confirm that from the prize it worth, although it run bullish alongside bearish in style in which that's the law it obeys on volatility, and it price nor value isn't compared nor affected by any  other stock markets, therefore bitcoin is an entity on it own and stand by to determine its market value from within the equilibrium of it demand and supply, market cap, market vol. and the rest.

In other way round, we can say no because change is the only constant variable in life as no one knows what the future is about to bring, possibly another coin system when the evolution of metaverse is fully achieved. But as at present, bitcoin still remains the lead and maintain it uniqueness just as valuable as gold is.

The behavior of bitcoin's movement lies in the activities of its users, but by comparing it with gold and the current situation where there is a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, I think it has an effect even if it is only for a moment, and that too occurs because of the momentary panic of the users. and we can see at this time where bitcoin is back up after experiencing a decline

Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies which carry the concept of decentralization, of course, very much depends on the user and community, now it is easier for transactions with bitcoin so I'm sure it will make users continue to grow and of course it will have an impact on prices that will continue to rise, hold and be patient for at least 5 more years then we will see the difference compared to now.

In the past, it's utterly that negative view that many people look at bitcoin. Today, it's not the same anymore. It just keeps on adding that there are countries that recognize how good it is and the bad view that has been with it in the past is changing constantly. And it's amazing to see that when bitcoin has dropped a lot, just after a few days we saw a pump that we're all happy about. The difference between gold and bitcoin is truly a lot but if you're for gold, there's nothing wrong with that as you can take both of them as an asset. Still, bitcoin is the store of value for many of us and as for a country, we shall see if many of them are going to make it as a reserve.

While I never wish a war to happen, seeing one happen does make me feel bad for the people suffering there. Even then, a trader needs to know their advantages in time of an economic turmoil.

Currently I see bitcoin as in a buying position with every down trend. Similar with metals like gold and stocks on the fiat market. I am getting stocks at much discounted rates and therefore I am buying them so I can sell in future.

My point remains that, this is a bear market, whatever be the reason for it. Therefore we must capitalize on that and not feel sorry for not investing during such times.

Drop in price does not mean that the original pros and cons of bitcoin have changed. Those who buy bitcoin, accept the risk of the asset being volatile (though <10-15% per year). To me it is another asset worth putting money in, so I will do that.

Gold is difficult to carry with you. Gold is heavy. Gold has to be declared at the border.
One can easily hide with himself one or more copies of his wallet seed, sometimes even in the plain sight and go on. Even a hardware wallet is not a problem at the customs.

Indeed bitcoin can be difficult to spend if electricity / internet is down (although smartphone + power bank can solve the problem if the electricity is not completely wrecked), but I don't know how many would accept gold either, since the risk of receiving counterfeit/something that's not gold is pretty high.

I don't say gold is bad. What I say that neither of the two is perfect.

Nothing to be sad about except probably accept that everything crypto, including Bitcoin, is basically a peace time solution and are not suitable for the imagined dystopias and wars. Bitcoin's network depends on an uninterrupted, peace-time supply of Electricity and great Network infrastructure. Both of these things are targeted in wars.

So while Bitcoin will still be good for safekeeping your wealth and taking it over the borders in wartime, that wealth will definitely fall down in value while uncertainties continue. Still, we cannot possibly be at war always and at war everywhere. So bitcoin is still a safe bet in the longer term. People haven't seen enough uncertainty to believe that for Bitcoin. They intuitively think of Gold as THE ASSET. So, no grudges against gold there. Bitcoin's still a baby for war times.

Mentioned bitcoin in the news? but why will they do that? This breaking news is about the war and not with anything else. Bitcoin isn't tied to banks or the governments therefore the people that are affected by the wars can continue to transact, they either sell their bitcoins or use it for buying, this is why the price has dropped but it's up to you if you don't believe that.

Another thing that I believed on why the price dumps is because of the fuds related to the war. whenever there's a negative event, fudsters then uses this opportunity to spread fuds because they know there are still weak handed hodlers that will panic and sell their assets.

It’s understandable that HODLers have their moments of frustration. But the market doesn’t “define” Bitcoin. It’s merely one of the ways the coins are distributed. It’s not always efficient, with the inefficiency especially displayed during a surge, and a crash that follows, but it always finds the mean. Does not hold the value? Zoom out.

My take is that both markets have their whales and manipulators.
When the war has started gold was rising like crazy because old big wealthy entities tend to still use gold as reserve asset. On the same time Bitcoin and stocks were plunging.
After Biden's announcement, suddenly, both have reversed. Bitcoin is like the war didn't start, gold is even lower, hence those believing in gold did a bad business by buying/FOMO-ing when the war started.

As usual, there's no really good and bad, there's diversification and calm decisions vs FOMO/rushing everything.
I hope that OP didn't buy gold  


Bitcoin was never a good reserve of value for short term. Even Saylor wrote it: investing into Bitcoin is for at least 4 years. Then you can take a look whether it's a store of value or good investment. For now it is.

very true! And definitely it's up to us what will be our decision on this situation.

Because to be honest i don't agree as well that this happening is all about the tension of both country (Russia VS Ukraine) reason market is still on bear market because it looks like a coincidence of the bearish season.

And lastly they didn't mentioned bitcoin on their news about the situation.

So i have doubts that this is happing only on bitcoin because of some Fuds in the internet that spreading negative news and keeps mentioning bitcoin on that war.

I think bitcoin might be looked at more negatively than in a positive manner in this tensed situations, because a major portion of the countries are actually not very friendly to crypto, and crypto doesn't have the long history of proven value as gold has, like, gold is considered as valued by probably 100% of the countries that exist, so, in these situations, fiat might be scrutinized, gold will be seen as positive while crypto negatively.

Still crossed my mind what happened to bitcoin (9 November 2021), Bitcoin high spike was able to beat the fame of gold as an investment instrument. With the strengthening of gold prices, many parties assess the supply of gold is hoarded by the central bank. But investor should still pay attention to Bitcoin price movements, it is quite interesting to see that gold and bitcoin are related.
Gold can be an option to invest in the midst of economic uncertainty, because gold is a hedging investment.  But Bitcoin investment will continue to be in demand because it is considered quite attractive and already very familiar so that it encourages great interest in trying out the crypto world.

Gold is just gold! Unless suddenly someone finds few thousand tons of new gold reserve, it will continue to dominate the market as a capital reserve asset. There's no competition really! Gold is the oldest and time tested investment since ita inception. People who think bitcoin will replace gold, are living in fool's paradise.

That's why it is always better to have a diversified portfolio that includes all types of assets including cryptos. Bitcoin alone can't make your finance secure.

Bitcoin will still be considered a reserve of value and the decline in its price will not change about it especially for young investors who are tech savvy will very likely move from stock to bitcoin because the stock is quite shocked during a situation like this.
While gold is still gold there is nothing old or new and will still be an option for traditional investors who prefer something calm.

New gold or old gold doesn't matter.Gold is a gold. When such situation came like war. Most of money in the war county will be saved with the an crypto assets or in the manual asstes like money. Investment of physical and touchable one was a good one.It can be sold for the immediate need with some good value.It doesn't mean of physical assets are not worth enough.

I still think the overwhelming majority of gold supply is hoarded by central banks. They control a massive proportion of gold supply, which gives them all of the influence on price valuation.

Many have speculated the value of gold and silver should be trading higher than current market values. I think it would if independent precious metals traders represented a significant portion of precious metals ownership. But considering the massive multiple tons of gold held by central banks and the small shares of gold held by small traders who cannot afford to secure precious metals holdings. I think the natural reaction is to conclude that central banks hold all of the trading and valuation power as far as gold, silver and precious metals go. Which is why the price of gold isn't the result one would expect from typical market mechanics alone.

Bitcoin will take back its place with time. I think if anything is happening in the region of Russia and Ukraine is not to be what is happening to bitcoin. Bitcoin is not fiat and not regulated so selling of your hodling only requires your decision and setting your order. So the bear is not because of the war but a drop correcting from December sales.

If still somebody says that BTC price is not correlated with stocks even after the April episode, I'm really going to virtually slap that guy...

This is a graph from a previous discussion



SP, NASDAQ  and Bitcoin today:



The same bouncing, from the start of the day bitcoin is up 2.4 %, S&P 500 1.5%, NASDAQ  3.4% and Dow 0.3%.
I don't know where it got this tight up to the stocks but right now is swinging the same way around, of course, it has better gains than it and it's pretty normal for it but it will take the same hits.
On the bright side, that means being a global currency or asset, it comes with pros and cons.

Gold had to make such a bullish push because it's main reserve is in the us. Just the same way Russian Ruble weakens against USD so same also gave gold the major push. Us got the positive returns on the war effect. But Putin should try end this


Bitcoin is a decentralized gold so we don't expect everything around us affect its value. This asset belongs to us. I will say Bitcoin moved too fast in a short space of time all the way to an ATH of over $63k+ so it might take longer to see a new move up. But the fun fact is stocks get easily manipulated but Bitcoin is controlled by everyone in the network.

Well stocks are a store of value, too.  There's no rule that a store of value has to be perfectly stable--and not even gold is.

Speaking of gold, I did indeed notice that it and silver had shot up overnight (or at least in the last 36 hours), and it was before I knew what was going on over there in Ukraine.  When I saw that silver had surpassed $25/Oz. whilst bitcoin and nearly every single altcoin were sinking, I kind of suspected something was up. 

Paxmao, you've been around long enough to know swings like this are going to happen, and don't get too sad.  Depending on the progression of the Russia/Ukraine conflict or its resolution, we might be seeing gold drop back to $1800/Oz. and bitcoin heading to the moon.  In other words, this too shall pass.

I think it's somewhat interesting to compare those assets performance on this conditions, they may thought Bitcoin isn't really safe compared to gold... so they convert their assets to gold. We can't deny how long gold existed and proven had a value until now, while Bitcoin still in process of mass adoption and the price is really affected by sentiment or bad news. Gold is still gold, nothing changes... it's an old investments.

Bitcoin could be considered as reserve of value, but not now. Maybe another reason of this decline is people believe this year Bitcoin will crash just like the 2017-2018 history.

Well at least this serves as a good experience not just for the new ones but also for the oldies; that diversification is really the key to having good financial standing. The overused "never put all eggs in one basket" phrase has again been proven to be a valuable thing to absorb.

Not losing interest in crypto though. Bitcoin has been through a lot all throughout the years and has proven its resilience. The crypto industry is young which is why it still cannot avoid the ripples caused by the world affairs good or bad, and these ripples even turn into massive waves depending on how the majority of the people in this industry perceives information.

 - I don't know if it's just me but, instead of panicking, I am getting excited to DCA the coins/tokens I already have along wih buying the ones that I couldn't due to expensive prices and lack of funds.

It is with sadness that I see how bitcoin has dropped (nothing new really) in sync with the global markets around 11% last week while the old gold, AKA simply "gold" has made a rush to 6.5% in the last month. Needless to say that this is related to the war in Ukraine and the prospects of instability, not that it was unexpected, tend to draw people towards gold.

I wonder if bitcoin can still be considered a reserve of value when is following and correlating this much with stocks markets.