Topic: Good and Bad are idiotic classifications, and don't work universally (Read 245 times)

I think you confuse broad philosophy with real actions.
I think if real evil was inflicted on you personally you would have less confusion.
I am glad it is not.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/27/politics/eddie-gallagher-navy-seals-video-interviews/index.html

and it is of course reported by brainless and racist cnn

here another proof that people mix all kinds of judgments into good or bad, but have no view on the general result, only express their personal feelings from various different perspectives.

if you are there fore doing something (or even nothing) there will always be someone angry on you and claiming you are evil or toxic.

leaders can't take care and be political correct all the time. it simply doesnt work.

So you think that you have evidence that I am a terrorist, right? After all, it's people who call themselves Muslims, but don't terrorize people of other religions, who are not really Muslims, but are really hypocrites, right? Why? Because terrorism directives are written into their holy writings.

Good overcomes bad by changing the bad to good. There are two ways to do this. Talk the bad into being good, or simply destroy the bad. How do you destroy the bad? If they are violent, give them what they ask for by their violence. If they are non-violent, give them the things they need for life, just like you give to the good. This is what God does for us. And this is what we should do for our neighbors.

But, alas. You simply don't understand things like this, do you? You idiotically think that good and bad are relative.

then you would also make the world humanist and static, allowing lots of corruption,

i am surprised that you as a muslim are so radical humanist.

doesnt islam say serve no one but god?

regards

Because maybe we have different regions and environment. There are some beliefs that are opposite from others and that's why they have a balance aspect in life. We can know the truth if we have unity from religions but it would never happen.

Many children dream about the roles they will play... the occupations they will hold... when they finally become adults. Their dreams, like personal considerations and choices, don't change good and bad.

People can consider themselves in whatever ways they like. But like the dreams of children, their considerations don't change what good and bad are. Their considerations might simply propel them in the direction of doing either good or bad.

Good = the support of the real needs of life, not what people consider the needs to be.

Bad = destroying others by taking their real needs of life away from them... not what people consider the needs to be.

All you are doing is showing things of choice to be good or bad. Good and bad really are related to the real needs of people for living, and to exist in life.

nah political correctness is not always bad, it often also prevents people from being like jackasses to each other, and political correctness was needed for people to recognize third gender.

it al goes to how people judge , if something is good for you maybe bad for us or by birth we were thought that this good and that is bad from society it is how we look things

When it was difficult for humanity to survive, it created a culture - a system of values ​​and knowledge about good and evil, beauty and ugliness.

When life became too easy, people forgot the culture and turned into the likeness of animals.
They replaced cultural “values” with political correctness in order to create any abominations with impunity.

Do you think parasitism, usury and gambling are acceptable?

But they speculate on the vices and troubles of society.
You have no culture, therefore you do not need good and evil. That's all.
Only money...

christians considered themselves as good and peagans as evil, peagans considered christians as evil and themselves as good (victims of european colonialism)

muslims consider themselves as good and christians and peagans as evil.

good and evil are pointless distinctions. they depend on the perspective if you buy bitcoin roger ver is pissed of because you didnt bought bitcoin cash instead etc.

regards

There are far more resources available than the ones used on Bitcoin. The resources some people used for Bitcoin, they purchased to use on Bitcoin.

The fiat financial systems are a slow rape of everybody who uses fiat. The wealth of the banking leaders is what is causing the wars and the attempted stealing of lands from other nations. If Bitcoin breaks the banks, it means more freedom for everyone, except the bankers, who are destroying things for us all.

But people are extremely diverse in only their personal selectivity. Their general needs are all the same.

Everyone needs air to breathe. There is no other way. Same with water to drink. All people need water to drink, but everybody could get by for years on not having water to drink, but getting all their water out of chewing plant leaves. But they all need water.

What about fingernail polish colors? Nobody needs it, but there are loads of different ways to enhance the beauty of one's fingernails. What about clothing? There are countless varieties of clothes, but everybody could forget the styles, and live with a few different kinds of clothes that would protect everybody from all the various climates.

The diversity extends to things that are not important except that people decide that they are important. All the really important things for life are essentially the same for all people no matter who they are.

It is as I said here:
People are all the same, because they have the same needs in life.

Good is when you help people to retain the things they need in life. But to at least not take those things away from them.

Bad is when you take things people need away from them.

Because people have the same basic needs in life, good and bad is essentially the same for all people.

It is good to protect yourself from bad people, even if you have to do what would normally be considered bad, to stop them from doing bad to you.

If people have different religions, good is not forcing them to change their religion. Bad is to force them to change, or harm them when they don't change. Why? Because it is what you would want for yourself.

and you again proof your own stupidity,

killing people = bad only is that way related to a humanist focus,

environmentalists like native americans killed people for the sake of nature.

africans killed people for the sake of obtaining wealth,

french killed their king in order to establish their republic democracy.

so -> killing people for them was good

same is for you other two example there are masochistic women who enjoy getting raped

there are investmentpunks who can't sell their real estate and it only roots, because no one can lend from the bank of the currency the investment punk wants, so sometimes robbing them and then getting their property to use can be a better thing from a humanist perspective than letting it to continue to rot

you are stupid. you can't thing past even a small thing

also:

bitcoin killed already millions of people, because it wasted ressources, and energy that could have been used foor food production and destroyed the financial credibility of many third world governments, so from that perspective bicoin is bad and decentralising financial systems is bad because the crash of the financial system leads to thausands dying

Even if I hate responding to Scorpio threads because they're stupid, I'll make an exception because of how stupid the information being spread here is.

While yes, in some cultures there is a bit of fuzzyness on what is good and what is bad. Universially we agree on a good deal of things, which is why we're still able to use the classifications of good and bad.

Killing People = Bad
Robbing People = Bad
Raping = Bad

There are some broad terms that we can and should agree on.

Even when Scorpio talks about Trumps wall being hated by Americans and Mexicans. If Trumps wall is hated by Mexicans that assumes that Mexicans hate that it isn't as easy as it used to be to illegally immigrate to the US. Americans should love it, as illegal immigrants are bad news.

mexicans will have to be pay for that wall, as it was mexicos fault that america had to built it.

It depends. Government authorized acts of murder are happening quite frequently and I see nothing wrong with that.
Rapists are getting raped in prison and it's OK as well.

Everybody is receiving what he deserved and that's how justice works. Neither good nor bad has any relation to justice.

because people are extremely diverse and individual and have different cases, there arent just the bankers (olthough those have the have most influence esp. the german jewish ones which where always part in all european colonial activity) there are also traders, travelers student's etc. mexico american conflict is a result of there will be winners and losers, people being satisfied and alianted on both sides.

There are each sensible and dangerous things that individuals do all the time and there are many of us World Health Organization fancy doing goodies On the contrary, there are some those who fancy doing dangerous things to differents you'll see several other styles of those who don't do any sensible or dangerous for folks.

... respectively. Why? Because the wall is keeping the American riff-raff out of Mexico.

Note that most of the American riff-raff is made up of illegals who go back into Mexico.

trumps wall will be considered good and bad, by mexicans and americans,

^^^ Knowing what you want and need in life, is essentially (with a few minor choice variations) knowing what other people want in life. "Bad" is to deny other people the same kinds of things that you want and need in life, or to take it away from them when they have it. "Good" is to allow them to keep the things they need in life, and to help them gain these things.

The trick is knowing when it is good to take things away from bad people so that they are bad no longer.

Anybody who believes that there is a standard of good and bad is probably living in denial because the real determinant is the factor in question. Someone would argue that killing is bad and even in certain climes, it attracts a death penalty but the same killing will be done by soldiers and they would earn a medal for it which means its the situations that determines whether it is good or bad and not the act itself. The same thing for stealing in certain climes stealing would attract some stiff punishment whereas some politicians will steal in the same clime would be give national honors.

Spiritual damage and harm are done when your example is done. There are much deeper things going on.

Everything has to be perfect. If there is imperfection in one, tiny instance of some law of physics, the whole of the universe would come crashing down.

Since the universe includes spirits and souls, that's why Jesus-God had to live a perfect life, and then die... to correct the spirit/soul imperfection in the universe... which is way more damaging than the physical.

Good and bad appear similarly inconsequential, because the sacrifice of Jesus has balanced out the bad, which was never supposed to exist in the first place.

Thinking that good and bad are relative, or that we can decide what is good and what is bad, is a failing on our part which is essentially bad. We need Bible law revelation, and consequence when bad abounded.

That would mean that both of those states are somehow different from each other. But we both know that this is in fact false.
Look at China. It is in a way continuation of "soviet-ism". They are one of the biggest polluters on earth, they sell the most, they import mountains of resources to use, they also burn heavily while turning their land in to a concrete and asphalt deserts.
That's soviet-ism for you, absolute zero regards for the environment. I know this from my own experience, I have lived in post-soviet state, it was an ecological disaster. Any kind of authoritarian collectivism, deprived of individualism will do poorly, it will be bad. Freedom is always the answer, it grants us ways to expose the wrong doings of the state, it helps us to fight with hedonism of corporations and aids us with finding out about problems of our fellow earthlings.     

jes the biggest power kapitalist liberal usa defines what good and bad means, if there would be a different power dominant like the soviet union, it would be different, hedonism would be considered bad instead of good.

Well, this index is usually called law codex
But wouldn't you agree that things that are bad for the environment are at the same time bad for human species?
Burning stuff on massive scale for example, makes not only climate to be unstable but also makes air to be unbreathable.
Good solution is not to totally stop burning stuff but rather burn them in the most efficient way possible. Additional gases can be gathered and utilised in agricultural industry, replacing artificial fertilizers thus further reducing our carbon imprint.
Special stoves designed to cleanly burn tires, plastics and other trash must be researched and introduced in to economy freely.
This paraphrase seems to be the way to go; "there are many ways to skin a snake - Confucius". One of those ways, simply will be the good one because fossil fuels absolute resignation is not. I assumed this was your argument anyway.

good and bad need some kind of index,

something good for humanism can be at the same time bad for environmentalism.

etc.

It isn't idiotic, it's a form of pragmatism used for civilization building.
It is still used because there are things considered as universally good or thoroughly evil.
If a thing is OK for one person and bad for the other it is neither of the two, it is simply subjective, morally ambivalent.
Still, real and undisputed truths exist, clearly the same is with absolute falsehood, trying to mud these waters only puts you in to one of the ideological categories considered revolutionary. Revolution always has it's victims, it's always bloody otherwise it's not a revolution at all and as a result, revolt is admittedly evil.
 

Because the good and bad is depends on your surroundings. When we are a kid. What we see constanly, we think it is good. Because everybody is doing it. We do not even know if that is bad for government or church. We just know that everything that is going on without being prevented is good. This is how the the good and bad form i think.

good and bad classifications are highly critical,

for example if someone fucks someone elses wife, he can be a good guy to that wife, and a good guy if the women gets pregnant and bores a  child (good guy for the child)

but a bad guy for someone who was married to that wife, and had to raise up and pay for the child that isn't his, (if he was a racist).

we have to abandon in the west these classification in good and bad. especially in the west, it got out of hand, not that it was simultanously alighted with christian interest and later became humanist interest.

but also because it is simply incorrect.

Actually, there is good and bad in all of us... right inside our life essence. It's the constant struggle between these two things that kills us.

We need religion to show us what is right and what is wrong when we can't sort right and wrong out inside ourselves.

good, bad and perfect. are just words assigned by the opinion of the persons view

to a rapist, they feel good when they rape
to a murderer, they feel good when they kill

to the victim and family both rape and murder are bad

no one can be perfect either. some people like females some like men, some like blonde hair some like red hair
each person has their own perceptions.

that is why the rule of diverse majority is more important than tyranical decision on important things that impact different lives as there are too many views to satisfy everyone so best case is to use the views the majority can agree on

murder is definetly bad, unless its a death sentance for a criminal that done a heinous crime
rape is definetly bad, unless its an insane rapist.. but they shouldnt get to have an opinion

in short. nothing works universally,, everyone is unique. but many things can be majority agreed

I hate the concept between good and bad person because its entirely impossible to be a good person, To some you are a good person while to others, you are a bad person. The thing is we all have a badside and goodside, some people just chose to do evil things while others decides to help and do good but that doesn't mean people can't switch sides.
Maybe that's just how humans live, we are the most intelligent beast in the world that can't find happiness in life without sacrifice.

Every human being has two aspects good and bad Likewise there is a lot of debate among them In many cases conflicts arise when one person does not agree with another. Therefore, to get rid of this problem it is necessary to fix the problem by sitting quietly between the two That's why good and bad are silly classifications and don't work in public In the field of work you should work in harmony with your views by talking to everyone.

Good and bad are just words. Everyone understands different things using these words. People just come to a certain agreement among themself that some ideas, thoughts, actions which can be harmful to a commonweal are labeled as bad (or evil) and punish all those who try to commit them. The same "system" works with all "good" stuff but in the opposite direction. Although these conceptions are relative but it's the only possible way for the society to support its' structure. Of course, if you live on your own you don't need such "crutches" as morals. But as soon as there are two men they need to come to this kind of agreement otherwise they won't be able to co-exist.
 

If we don't have any limitations then imagine how this world will be?

Do you think stealing someone's money is good?

Killing someone?

Raping? etc...

Or as people used to say in the past "One man's bread is another man's poison". The problem is not that people are placing things into just 2 categories, people have always done that.

That problem is the attempt to silence discussions. How can people debate and talk about nuances whn they automatically get ostracized for simply talking?

why are people still classyfy things into good and bad, its purely idiotic.

good and bad are often accompanied with humanism, religion, nationalism and even racism.

then good thing for someone can be a bad thing for someone else.

this makes people go mad that try to be politically correct, in order to survive.

regards