Topic: Google suspends Huawei's Android support (Read 759 times)

Interesting Read.

1. Today the US Is Waging a War on Huawei. In 1987 It Was Japan’s Toshiba



2. Japan Then, China Now: US Has a History of Scapegoating Others for Its Own Economic Self-Destruction

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New update on this Ban fiasco- China is warming up as well.

Following US Huawei ban, China threatens own blacklist for foreign firms

Hongmeng is surely just a customized build of AOSP. It therefore has no significant differences with original Android, except for absence of some proprietary components.

Even a student can clone AOSP sources tree and derive his own Hongmeng OS from it. Unsurprisely, it will support all existent android applications, because it will be nothing else but Android under different trademark.

In fact, a lot of students are doing this for either entertainment or self-development purposes.

https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/vanir-aosp-t3568393
https://andi34.github.io/roms_tab2_aosp.html

But this company has already announced the hongmeng OS 
As far as i know, a lot of rumours said if huawei will change their future devices to use hongmeng OS. but the problem when there were a few big companies is even using their own OS can't attract a lot of developers and demand. Remember windows mobile OS, Bada OS and tizen OS.
Another ban from various company makes the position of huawei even worst.

That only forces them to remove google apps from the default installation, but it doesn't prohibit user from installing them manually. Many of chinese vendors are lacking the google certification nowadays. That's not a problem, it is resolved by placing a shortcut on the home screen, which is letting user to install google apps, if these are needed.

They are selling fake/cheap copies of everything. I am just waiting to see how this will turn in future.
Can anybody really stand against Chinese trade  or ban overall chinese traade?

I read years ago that they were just selling a knock-off/imitation Coke in China. Same design, etc, but no permission from Coca-Cola. Are they already selling legit Coca-Cola coke there now? 

Just imagine this for counter measure from Chinese government. Just not to buy Coca Cola for single day just one day. Think that thing would rapidly turn the tide cuz it would be loss for around 150 mill on single day.

The issue is not just about privacy, it is also about continuing ability to communicate.

If Huawei branded switches were to make up 30% of switches supporting communications backbones, and Huawei were to remotely shut down the equipment, some parts of the county would be entirely cut off, and other parts could be split, and the remaining infrastructure might be overwhelmed so that it cannot handle the now increased workload.   

Well good to know that Google didn't throw current users under a bus. I expect the updates to come slower though.

I'm wondering if app developers would make versions of their programs that would work on whatever new OS Huawei uses or if they'd be too afraid that they'd get pulled out of Playstore if they do extend support to the new platform.

That's really bad news for Huawei and mostly because their users have already created the need for Google apps such as Maps or Youtube.
It is a new way of trading war and it will either make Huawei stronger as it will no longer rely on Google apps and probably they will create their own or they will be destroyed and lose many users.

What would be cool would be if Huawei made a deal with OpenBSD to brand a secure phone (for use only outside of mainland China of course.)  This group maybe has  the street cred to jumpstart a small market.

The name recognition may rub off onto Huawei's other products although it shouldn't.  It also may foster the (probably false) belief that Huawei is somewhat autonomous from the CCP government.

So this is just an update of this issue. Since I like this issue a lot and made multiple of research out of curiosity. So this will be the actual image of future Huawei phones.
Kidding aside, QUALCOMM and Intel stopped supplying for Huawei. Sadly there would be no more snapdragon microchips .

Well as for the Chinese people they are now destroying their iPhones in support for the Huawei. Here is the link for the video.

Safe to say that this is keep on getting worse. But here's a good news for those who supports Huawei phones. They confirmed that they built their own OS. Since the war started a long time ago, they built an OS for themselves just in case and it was confirmed last March 14, 2019.

Furthermore, this story has been around for about 10 years.  More than enough time to look at one's strategic reserves and set up to deal with such a 'crisis'.  Cell phones are hardly the only thing which contains 'electronics.'  This strikes me as a diversion.  Especially here in 2019.

If a supply problem 'afflicts' the United States it would almost certainly be because that was exactly 'the plan.'  Equally certain is that people would be advised to put their hands on their wallets because you are about to be robbed.  I also wouldn't be surprised to see the wonderful nation of Israel to 'come to the rescue' and save use with their brilliance.

The so called "rare earth elements" are really not so rare, and I do not think China restricting these will have any effect whatsoever on tech industry.

It's likely to happen.

But, I think China is debating on whether they should go for a more severe move, like restricting rare-earth ore (used in phones) export to US, that would be far more devastating to Apple than their products being blacklisted in China.

I'm saying this because of the recent news about the chinese president visiting a rare earth factory^[1]. That visit is far from being 'random', that's a power move from Xi.

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1. https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-war-xi-jinping-rare-earth-factory-hint-cripple-us-tech-military-2019-5

Isn't it likely that china will reply by banning apple phones in china as a reply to the blacklisting of huawei?
Also typical google behaviour they knew of all the "accusations" but only once the trump blacklist hit they cut all ties to huawei.

Really needs to consider before purchasing this brand of phone device.

As it will affects the mentalities of their possible customers, without google / playstore it will be a tough journey competing with giant phone services around, they needed to create their own system and make same a like with this apps, lets future decide to the fate of this phone company, we have
to wait if whatever the company will soon to offer after this.

Seems to be big news these past few days. Huawei is really in a pickle. Even if they make their own OS they'd have a hard time competing with Play Store support. Good luck getting people to create apps for the new OS.

This pretty much kills them outside China since even if they get a decent system running, that bad press from the espionage scandal would still affect sales. Maybe people in Asia who tend to use cheaper China brands wouldn't be bothered but they'll still probably just opt for the other brands instead of Huawei.

But then again, who know how much those other brands have links to the CCP. It's not a matter of doing something "bad" that's the problem, it's getting caught.

Is it possible that the same thing will happen with Xiaomi? What are your thoughts guys

I don't think this is an issue for their Chinese market since Google's service are not allowed there anyway. But yes, it's a big headache for those in US and EU that already own Huawei products. Not receiving updates could further compromise their security and I'm not sure if one can just simply switch OS like is done with PC.


Huawei is not the only cheap phone manufacturer from China though it probably is one of the largest (or at least one of the most familiar). Vivo, Oppo and Lenovo are huge in Asia and they can, um, capitalize on the demise of Huawei unless Google just blanket bans all Chinese phone brands.

They can only pull off this trick once, the remaining manufacturers would find ways to not be completely reliant on it.

Personally I use an ASUS. I don't even know anyone using a Google phone. It's either you flaunt your iPhone or you use an Android phone, any
Android phone except Google's. 

Never comes to my mind this one but it seems that this is a legit issue that world must know,and as Chinese wanted to ruler the world and took over the superpower country in the world
Yeah I guess so,and it’s really good that it was revealed earlier than longer
Here in Asia so far according to the local news people can still continue using google apps ,but not sure until when
And this is what we don’t want to have,being in cryptoour privacy is the most important thing but Huawei seems to take  this from us

I think there could be a wrong set of analogy in here. At the second sentence I think it should be … about US*, applies to google as well or vise versa.

Huawei Founder: 'US actions underestimate our abilities'

Just leaving this here, is this a sign of another OS or another search engine?

Now this would be out of the android phone that I would buy in the future,
What a shame they have a great specs and really great phone but without google I wouldn't enjoy using android phones.
Without google the users would surely be in trouble because if they want to install some applications they have to take the risk on downloading some apk files.

And google is actually an arm of the US government. Whatever you tell about Huawei, applies to google as well.

I don't favor any sides in this war but what I know is the Chinese has no respect for the intellectual rights and that's why they are going to lose.

Very good hardware without any original software inside won't be selling much.
I know the westerners won't be buying any Huawei phones if google play isn't available on them. Nobody will be using wechat, wethat, wethis crap no matter how good the software is.

Will the Chinese buy? They already do. It is because they already have no other choice. (Google is banned in China)

China saw this storm coming years ago. That's why they didn't allow any google services and built their own infrastructure in China.

Now the US wants to do the same. I wouldn't let Huawei to build infrastructure in my country neither if I was Trump. That's a no brainer decision.

As you see, it is a bit more than just selling phones. It is about controlling the information flow.

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Ffs, the same shit is happening even in Turkey, the government raised the taxes on the imported mobile phones that high, it costs $2k to buy an iphone which is $1k in the US. All they want from you to buy the phones of their local brand. (Even though they get the parts from China and the software is modified Android) Doesn't matter, they force you to buy that shit phone...

The smartphones war is clearly being manipulated in favour of Google, as those that have used Huawei phones will attest that they are affordable and way better than google phones. This ban by google shall crush Huawei market outside China, but Huawei has said they were prepared for it so it’ll be interesting to see what new platform they’ll come up with. Does anyone here think that Huawei should buy Blackberry and use it’s Blackberry Secure software on their phones to counter googles move, as using Blackberry Secure will prove to the world that their phones are secured too.

It's a fairly obvious attempt by Washington to try to hang on to their own spying activities. Their technology is out of date, and Apple relies on China anyway. Huawei is going to dominate the world with 5G ( which most of us don't want ), and they will move to open source for a mobile OS. I welcome it, I'm fed up with Google constantly trying to install aps that I don't want. If Huawei brings out a Google amd Microsoft free phone, then I will probably buy it. The only thing I will miss is the journey planner.

I am not so sure but based on the statement that was given by Huaweii , you will only be able to have minimal effect if currently you are a Huaweii phone user as google will  only suspend their services to the later Huaweii phones. I am not so sure on how are they going to do it but one thing is clear to me here it can really affect their sales as most of the android users are actually relying too much on the playstore and other Google services. The effect of this is worldwide therefore if you are living outside China you will surely no longer support future Huaweii phone products because it is actually not just Google who removed their services from this phone, there were also more famous brands from US.

Yes, it's Hongmeng OS

(https://www.businessinsider.com/huawei-android-alternative-os-details-2019-5#hongmeng-os-is-likely-the-plan-b-operating-system-huawei-mentioned-previously-2)

You've probably already guessed it. I mean the whole thing, validation that your/my data remains private, which means a system designed from the ground up to provide individuals with private keys, end-to-end encryption with others capable of decoding the comm, no apps capable of stealing data.

I could go on, but I know you get it.

This is the ONLY WAY that a claim can be proved validated, so this is what's required.

Otherwise, a claim or promise cannot and should not be believed.

There may be another way, which would be for a company to back their "Promises" with a money bond of high dollar amount. Then if a user could show they'd abused their trust, they'd have to pay. That would perhaps affect company behavior, but it wouldn't affect governments.

Wtf? Now huawei will only use an open source code of android? It's like you are using windows before but now,  you're stuck with linux. This will definitely affects the market for smartphones. I like huawei, its stability is that good, camera, specs and etc. But having delays on updating the system, and you can't download now latest games on google play since it's updating. Is this the end for huawei?

I didn't know it has gotten this far. Last I heard of this they arrested the CFO. China has recently retaliated though by "arresting" 2 Canadians men they've already held in detention anyway. This woman is lucky she just got house arrest.


Would Huawei be able to rely on domestic sales in China alone though? I know these phones are supposed to usually last shorter than an iPhone but there also other domestic brands in China it have to compete with.

Maybe this would force them to focus on Asia.

What do you mean by 'validated'.

I'm not aware of any vendor who open-sources very much of their hardware of firmware and who supports audits.  Or at least public audits.  Likely audits are sometimes negotiated, and I'm guessing that such negotiations are at the core of this problem.  Far to complex and 'sensitive' to be reported in any mainstream new stories though.  A person will probably end up with a better analysis by not even bothering to read the headlines and just guess.

This topic is one of the hottest topics we have here in our country since Huawei was getting praised and were chosen by our people instead of another smartphone available in the market. It is because HUAWEI was able to give all the options a smart could have at a cheaper price.

I actually tried to research and analyze why did the U.S government ban the company from any deals and business in the country. However, there are some ideas I had in mind why.

In order for a company to be escalated from the Whitehouse, the company should have enough reason to be escalated. Such as being a threat to the economy, safety and security of the users and also and oligarchy movement. Ain't know really understand why. But maybe this is one of the moves the U.S will regret soon.

I am hoping that HUAWEI will be supported by the richest people and institutions from China to pursue their global business. They have the potential and this is their moment, as well.

That is not the issue here. Here it is protection or abuse of one's personal data.

Let me draw a parallel.

You are contracting for a building, a 20 story building. The contractor says, "Don't worry, everything we build is earthquake proof."

There is no such thing as belief. Show the tests done, show the actual work that proves the statement.

Wrong.  We'll have one super power developing technologies, another super power attempting to steal that technology to use for consolidation of power, and we really don't get to chose who has access to our personal information.

The main OS is not really much of a factor.  The various firmware in these devices is what makes them insecure and is the primary attack vector these days.  Memory gets stolen without android, for instance, ever knowing about it.

Of course Huawei does the bidding of the government of China, and that government wants 'full take' on it's citizens.  China's internal population is the biggest security threat to the CCP and defense against this threat get a majority of the defense spending.  U.S. would probably be the same if our empire didn't have so many overseas holdings to maintain.  So, hope that Huawei would engage in a general project which fostered privacy is probably a pipe dream.  If they did there would be a danger that Chinese citizens themselves might get a hold of it!

What Huawei could possibly do would be to put into the public domain some obsolete platform and hope that it is supported by the security community.  They can still outlaw it's use within China, and if it is used externally where the 5-eyes dominate it fucks over their adversaries to a degree.  I don't hold out much hope for this though.

The trend that people are guilty until proven innocent will never catch on fully, but it is amazing to me seeing how many want to give some humans control over others, even in the digital world. That is why we elect people to begin with. They are on public display, so anything they are doing is being seen/heard. If what they are doing is negative, then society can judge them and hold them accountable. Except now everyone has to trust the word of one large corporation over another. Who will intervene to find the truth, and can everyone trust the 3rd party that gets involved?

When someone denies an allegation that is disparaging, it is fair to note the denial when discussing the allegation.

Multiple and separate governments claim that they are an arm of the Chinese Government, and a number of elected officials have echoed this. The Chinese government also has a history of subsidizing Chinese companies and of engaging in cyber espionage, and of stealing IP from western companies. All of this taken together makes me believe that Huawei is in fact part of the Chinese Government.

Actually they do. The Huaweii management knew that this is going to happened therefore they've already have they Plan B and that is to create their own operating system.
https://www.businessinsider.com/huawei-has-developed-android-windows-os-replacements-2019-3?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=mobile&referrer=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3AnJOzmCI04rIfeDAUchv_TIsP8_ukmavrML7VvdGfKPJXZ3LFLEW7EII

The question here is that can that certain OS they are trying to make is enough and will the masses outside china is going to accept it? cause I am pretty sure that in this situation Google still have the dominance.

People need to learn that one cannot believe claims made by government agencies and large corporations.

These prey on the gullible.

Claims must be accompanied by proof, or else be disregarded. And for a phone with firmware and an operating system, such a claim can only be validated for one firmware version coupled with a specific operating system version.

Why is it Ok when it's not even a secret that the US Government has been in bed with  Google, Microsoft, Intel and the Qualcomms for many years? Other nations don't even make a big deal out of it but just mere romours of China and Huawei end up causing quite a stir.

Very silly move IMO from both the Orange man and Google

I've been looking for this topic, great that we already have.

There's an update that's related to Huawei ban, three more companies joins the ban. Broadcom is included in the article.

(https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18632075/intel-qualcomm-huawei-ban-us-chipmakers-report)

Yes, no, sort of.

As an American I would choose and a Huawei phone because I am probably not of great interest to the Chi-coms although they probably trade my data to the 5-eyes anyway.  I ended up getting an ASUS as my Asia phone since there a lot of a lot of images created for it.  Nice phone actually.  I like it!

I suspect that Israel has all the data of both the 5-eyes and of the Chi-coms.  They give the Chi-coms U.S. military technology in exchange for whatever they want in return, and 'full take' on every citizen in the world is important for their future aspirations.

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If Huawai wanted to screw the 5-eyes they could fork android (or do a better OS) and release real, audited, open hardware for the world (outside of China of course...no way they'll let their own citizens have anything like freedom.)  I, for one, would use such hardware no matter what the cost.  Almost certainly no phone will ever be allowed to work in the U.S. (empire's holdings) which doesn't have 5-eyes backdoors, and certainly not if it lacks Israeli ones.

They indeed are, there are conspiracy theory before that they've been getting personal information through their smartphones. This can really be the war that some of us are talking about. I am actually more afraid on how this tech giant worked than google.

I am pretty sure that the Chinese government will eventually boycott some of it's product as well and in worse cases they will no longer support manufacturing products from US. This can then be too bad for Iphone business of US as well. Guess what the Chinese government will surely use the CIA for that lol

But guess what the Huaweii team are actually prepared for this situation

Source: https://news.tv5.com.ph/breaking/read/after-trump-blacklist-google-suspends-some-business-with-huawei-source?fbclid=IwAR2Mf40OTWDYPxlzpnEku1q-wYlmiHs9dTz8X3iAP_JAHCajbLuK7G05X-0

So we will just see two superpower developing two different technologies and normal users have a choice of deciding whom would they send their private data to.

Huawei is widely believed to be an arm of the Chinese Government by Western/Five Eyes intelligence agencies, although Huawei and the Chinese Government both deny this. It is believed that Huawei equipment contains "backdoors" that the Chinese Government can use to either disable the equipment in the future (cutting off communications), or actually transmit (and/or leak) sensitive information.

In general, this should be considered a good thing.

If the above is true, Huawei will continue to operate with government support, although much less people will buy their phones. Huawei still has access to the open source version of Android.

A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna. 

Some key information that I found from looking into the topic a bit more deeply.


I think this is without a DOUBT a death sentence for Huawei phones (outside of China) they're going to be unable to compete without the play store as people do love the app store and the play store and aren't going to want to adjust to an entirely different app store. I guess they're going to have to dedicate a large deal of money and time in creating a new store. Ouch.

This is a big deal for both Huawei, Google and the entire market of smartphone.
Huawei won't get android updates and most of the google apps. This would force it to leave Android platform and seek for something else.
This would essentially destroy the current market of Huawei and it's currently the 2nd largest smartphone producer.
This is a new form of trade war that is going to have a longer impact on how we shape the future of our earth.
What type of consequences do you believes such action bring in in the short and long run?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48330310

https://mashable.com/article/huawei-google-android-license-revoked/